Polian considered trading Peyton in 2004 [Merge]

[Coltswarriors]

Via Bob Kravitz on twitter.

 

Whoa.

[Smonroe]

Can't believe this.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/01/irsay-polian-wanted-to-trade-peyton-in-2004/

[RomanianColtsFan]

Bob Kravits of Indystar just finished an interview with Jim Irsay (it should be in IndyStar today, or part of it)

 

Here is what Kravits said on Twitter about 1h ago

 

 Bob Kravitz ‏@bkravitz

Just to whet your appetite for a coming Irsay piece: The owner said in 2004, Polian went to him and wanted to trade Manning. Hmmm.

 

[BOTT]

....for a running back no doubt

[Smonroe]

Mods, please merge.

Sounds like a Brad Wells rumor.

[Coltswarriors]

Mods, please merge.

Sounds like a Brad Wells rumor.

 

Lol. Bob Kravitz reported it first.

[pacolts56]

Via Bob Kravitz on twitter.

 

Whoa.

That's crazy....trade him for what....I wonder? Does Kravitz say?

 

That year's 1st and 2nd draft rounds yielded some VERY mixed results....and the following year wasn't a whole lot better.

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2004&round=round1#round1

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2005&round=round1#round1

[Smonroe]

Lol. Bob Kravitz reported it first.

I know. But doesn't it sound like BBS? Why would Irsay even bring it up now?

Then again, you can never tell with our owner!

[Hans Moleman]

I can only imagine the offer on the table for Polian to even consider it.

 

Bill may've been arrogant, cantankerous, and stubborn as a mule, but he's not a flat out *. He wouldn't have even stepped into Irsay's office to suggest that unless there was a monstrous- and I mean monstrous- offer for Peyton out there.

[John Dee]

Peyton's "early" playoff efforts ...    sucked.  

 

I could totally see it IF the right offer came along.     The Manning of 04 was not close to the Manning that took the Colts to the SB against NO.       And Peyton's playoff stats reflect it.   

Via Bob Kravitz on twitter.

 

Whoa.

[chad72]

Sounds like a Marshall Faulk type move if it is true. Boy, Polian would have been roasted on the coals if both Faulk and Peyton went on to other teams and won SBs.

[chad72]

Peyton's "early" playoff efforts ...    sucked.  

 

I could totally see it IF the right offer came along.     The Manning of 04 was not close to the Manning that took the Colts to the SB against NO.       And Peyton's playoff stats reflect it.   

 

I guess we need to give Irsay and Dungy some credit for keeping the ship upright and focused. Otherwise, Polian would have been run out of town much faster. It could have been Marshall Faulk, part II

[braveheartcolt]

I'd have traded Bill Polian for Bob Kravitz!

[John Dee]

If RG# was worth what the Rams got for a ROOKIE what would Indy have gotten?

 

I think it would have been in the neighborhood of

3      #1's

3      #2's

4      #3's....    

 

and perhaps even more....   That is what I think Manning in 04 was worth.   

 

But Polian would have burnt half those picks on a TE's....   

[Smonroe]

Assuming this was before the draft, you know who the #1 pick was that year right?

[chad72]

But Polian would have burnt half those picks on a TE's....   

 

Yeah, and he still would have drafted 4th round and 5th round OLs still missing on his 3rd rounders consistently.

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

I know. But doesn't it sound like BBS? Why would Irsay even bring it up now?

Then again, you can never tell with our owner!

 

Sounds to me like Irsay told Polian no way & Now wants to take credit for what was a good call .

[chad72]

Assuming this was before the draft, you know who the #1 pick was that year right?

 

Eli Manning???? Now, that would have been CRUEL.

[Larry Horseman]

Here's the entire article: http://www.indystar.com/article/20130301/SPORTS15/303010061/Star-Exclusive-Colts-owner-Jim-Irsay-opens-up-about-Peyton-Manning-Decision-drafting-RGIII?nclick_check=1

 

Much more covered about the Manning to Luck transition...good read.

[Smonroe]

Peyton's "early" playoff efforts ...    sucked.  

 

I could totally see it IF the right offer came along.     The Manning of 04 was not close to the Manning that took the Colts to the SB against NO.       And Peyton's playoff stats reflect it.   

Assuming this was after the 03 season and before the draft. Peyton destroyed in the playoffs until we played the Pats.

Mods need to merge these threads!

[John Dee]

That is just insane how Polian was so good at identifying talent late in the draft and if FA...    Yet could not hit the broad side of a barn half the time in the second and third, and even first late.

 

I truly think the ego maniac was simply trying to show everyone how "smart" he is..   (or thought he was)   I am actually glad his is gone.

 

I was worried a bit a t first... but not now.

 

 

I guarantee half of us "Colt fans who know what is going on" could have drafted better than Polian from 09 on.      And I totally believe that.

Yeah, and he still would have drafted 4th round and 5th round OLs still missing on his 3rd rounders consistently.

[UKColt13]

There are no words.

This kind of thing is exactly why people see Polian as a complete fool.

[jvan1973]

I don't buy it .. I'm sure ESPN will have him on to talk about it

[Larry Horseman]

I guarantee half of us "Colt fans who know what is going on" could have drafted better than Polian from 09 on.      And I totally believe that.

 

Since the draft is such an easy thing to evaluate and picks work out the majority of the time...ludicrous.

[husker61]

this sounds ridiculous. owners need to keep their mouth shut. owning the team isn't good enough to feed their ego's.

[Mameluc]

wow

[John Dee]

Unfortunately the NE games in 03, and 04 count.       As does the Pitt game in 05.   And the SB run...  where Manning had ONE good half of football.       After that SB win...  the monkey was off dudes back and he played very well in the playoffs from there on out.

Assuming this was after the 03 season and before the draft. Peyton destroyed in the playoffs until we played the Pats.

Mods need to merge these threads!

[John Dee]

Peyton Manning's playoff log....

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00/gamelog/post/

 

Take away the Denver Broncos from the NFL and Manning was straight UGLY in the playoffs pre 07.

[Jules]

Peyton was resisting the resting starters argument and Polian said to Irsay "Get this guy out of here. Who does he think he is and why doesn't he want to rest?".

 

 

Can we merge the several topics on this?

[John Dee]

Well you were not one of the "savy" .com members I was thinking of....   

 

;)

 

Since the draft is such an easy thing to evaluate and picks work out the majority of the time...ludicrous.

[RGIII]

Even Irsay's version of events sounds pretty benign.  Polian is frustrated with negotiations and raises the possibility of a trade... makes sense to me.

 

I'd at least consider doing the same if I had low confidence that I could get a guy re-signed in a manner that would allow me to continue to build a team around him.

[Jules]

Eli Manning???? Now, that would have been CRUEL.

 

Andrew Luck. Irsay was such a fan he wanted to get him worked in VERY young.

 

No really Eli. That would have been cruel like you said and strange as heck.

 

 

Never a dull moment in Colts land the last few years........

[Larry Horseman]

Well you were not one of the "savy" .com members I was thinking of....   

 

;)

 

I think I'll just quote your signature on this...

[Jules]

Irsay is thinking, "My God, so many hated me last offseason for letting Manning go. Hey fellas, the great Polian wanted Peyton out in 2004! How do you like them apples."

[Jules]

Even Irsay's version of events sounds pretty benign.  Polian is frustrated with negotiations and raises the possibility of a trade... makes sense to me.

 

I'd at least consider doing the same if I had low confidence that I could get a guy re-signed in a manner that would allow me to continue to build a team around him.

 

Peyton would have ended up on the Redskins. ;)

[husker61]

Even Irsay's version of events sounds pretty benign.  Polian is frustrated with negotiations and raises the possibility of a trade... makes sense to me.

 

I'd at least consider doing the same if I had low confidence that I could get a guy re-signed in a manner that would allow me to continue to build a team around him.

 

exactly! you have to consider every option possible, it doesn't mean you want to do them. that's why he is a great gm.

[RGIII]

Peyton would have ended up on the Redskins. ;)

 

Wouldn't surprise me.  We once threw two first round picks at the Bengals for an over the hill Ochocinco.  Fortunately, Mike Brown was one of few meddlesome owners at the time with more terrible instincts than that of Dan Snyder.

[chad72]

Peyton would have ended up on the Redskins. ;)

 

He would have feasted on little bro' Eli, Romo, and McNabb, LOL

[BOTT]

this sounds ridiculous. owners need to keep their mouth shut. owning the team isn't good enough to feed their ego's.

So the guy who actually owns the teams should remain silent...everybody else have it. The article isn't out yet so we don't know in what context it was given

[Buck Showalter]

exactly! you have to consider every option possible, it doesn't mean you want to do them. that's why he is a great gm.

WAS...

Since 2007ish he did a pretty bang up job of handicapping the franchise as well...

greatest regular season GM ever...