Get your pass rushers early

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Comment? (if you guys want we can turn this one into a general thread to discuss the passrushers in this draft)

[DaColts85]

I am curious to see how many pass rushers are positioned as first round talent.

[Boiler_Colt]

11 minutes ago, DaColts85 said:

I am curious to see how many pass rushers are positioned as first round talent.

 

Most draft pundits tend to think Bradley Chubb and Arden Key both are blue chip pass rushers. To me both have their flaws, Chubb is probably only fits in a 4-3 and Key has injury and motor issues but should probably test really well. After that it drops considerably.

 

http://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/The Elite Prospects of the 2018 NFL Draft

 

http://walterfootball.com/draft2018DE.php

 

 

 

[DaColts85]

10 minutes ago, Boiler_Colt said:

 

Most draft pundits tend to think Bradley Chubb and Arden Key both are blue chip pass rushers. To me both have their flaws, Chubb is probably only fits in a 4-3 and Key has injury and motor issues but should probably test really well. After that it drops considerably.

 

http://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/The Elite Prospects of the 2018 NFL Draft

 

http://walterfootball.com/draft2018DE.php

 

 

 

Sorry I should specify.  Once the combine and pro days conclude...I wonder who they have as top talent and 1st round prospects.  This will be when you see some completely different names jumping up the board, and have others Noah Spence as example, dropping down.  Not a huge fan of Walter Football as many others aren't either.

 

Arden Key might have some off the field issues and he will have to answer a lot of questions about that and his love for the game and getting better.  Injury issues are non-existent.  One shoulder injury does not consider him injury prone or having any injury issues in my book.  By draft day he will have a lot of questions answered.

 

Chubb is a player who fits the mold of DE in the 4-3 scheme.  After we see him test in stand up drills as an OLB rush guy you will again have a lot of questions answered.  He will be good but spending an early 1st rounder on someone, you need to be dynamic.  

[Boiler_Colt]

1 minute ago, DaColts85 said:

Sorry I should specify.  Once the combine and pro days conclude...I wonder who they have as top talent and 1st round prospects.  This will be when you see some completely different names jumping up the board, and have others Noah Spence as example, dropping down.  Not a huge fan of Walter Football as many others aren't either.

 

Arden Key might have some off the field issues and he will have to answer a lot of questions about that and his love for the game and getting better.  Injury issues are non-existent.  One shoulder injury does not consider him injury prone or having any injury issues in my book.  By draft day he will have a lot of questions answered.

 

Chubb is a player who fits the mold of DE in the 4-3 scheme.  After we see him test in stand up drills as an OLB rush guy you will again have a lot of questions answered.  He will be good but spending an early 1st rounder on someone, you need to be dynamic.  

 

I get you, combine will tell where guys will really fall. I don't care for Walter football either but those were the only links I could provide that aren't behind a paywall right now like the ESPN draft coverage is. Key also just missed several games with a broken hand or finger so he hasn't played much this year at all despite having a big 2016.

[DaColts85]

I will also say a guy I feel like might move into the top of this list is Clelin Ferrell from Clemson.  Big body at 6'5" 260 pounds.  He has a great motor and creates a lot of issues for the other team.  Now he has a lot of talent around him but I think he tests well.  Just a guy to put on the radar anyways.

[DaColts85]

1 minute ago, Boiler_Colt said:

 

I get you, combine will tell where guys will really fall. I don't care for Walter football either but those were the only links I could provide that aren't behind a paywall right now like the ESPN draft coverage is. Key also just missed several games with a broken hand or finger so he hasn't played much this year at all despite having a big 2016.

Yea i get that, I do not pay for ESPN crap either.  Key, I believe will prove to be a top pick after the process.  If he falls it will be purely due to interviews.

[chad72]

4 hours ago, DaColts85 said:

I will also say a guy I feel like might move into the top of this list is Clelin Ferrell from Clemson.  Big body at 6'5" 260 pounds.  He has a great motor and creates a lot of issues for the other team.  Now he has a lot of talent around him but I think he tests well.  Just a guy to put on the radar anyways.

 

Yes, I do like his motor and bend. Lot of pass rushers get washed up against the run, this guy seems to have more to him. If we decide to drop down just a few spots and still remain in the Top 10, I would not be upset with him.

 

However, Quenton Nelson might be the most sure thing for a prospect, IMO. I would be thrilled if we get him in the Top 10 as well.

[DaColts85]

12 hours ago, chad72 said:

 

Yes, I do like his motor and bend. Lot of pass rushers get washed up against the run, this guy seems to have more to him. If we decide to drop down just a few spots and still remain in the Top 10, I would not be upset with him.

 

However, Quenton Nelson might be the most sure thing for a prospect, IMO. I would be thrilled if we get him in the Top 10 as well.

I have no complaints with Nelson at all.  To me he is a future pro bowler and all-pro.

[Track Guy]

A guy who might be more in play for us in the third round or so who - Ogbonnia Okoronkwo of Oklahoma. He's a smaller edge rusher, more in the mold of a Robert Mathis than a Joey Bosa. If he tests out decently at the combine (which I believe is actually somewhat important as a pass rusher) I'd be all aboard taking him in the early 3rd at least. A lot of teams won't like his lack of size (expect him to measure just over 6 foot and around 240 lbs). This makes him a better fit for a 3-4 base defense like ours. 

[Defjamz26]

16 hours ago, Track Guy said:

A guy who might be more in play for us in the third round or so who - Ogbonnia Okoronkwo of Oklahoma. He's a smaller edge rusher, more in the mold of a Robert Mathis than a Joey Bosa. If he tests out decently at the combine (which I believe is actually somewhat important as a pass rusher) I'd be all aboard taking him in the early 3rd at least. A lot of teams won't like his lack of size (expect him to measure just over 6 foot and around 240 lbs). This makes him a better fit for a 3-4 base defense like ours. 

I wouldn’t touch a pass rusher that small. Guys like Mathis and Dumerville are rare exceptions to the rule. There are more Khalil Mack’s then there are Robert Mathis’. About 2 years ago there was a guy just like Okoronkwo, and he went to the same school. His name was Eric Striker. Some people had him as a 1st round pick as an edge rusher (and he had decent production too). Then he measured in at 6’0” at the combine and I couldn’t even tell you what’s happened to him, only that he isn’t tearing the league up.

[Lucky Colts Fan]

On 11/30/2017 at 1:50 PM, stitches said:

Comment? (if you guys want we can turn this one into a general thread to discuss the passrushers in this draft)

 

I would be thrilled if Ballard backed up his talk and built the trenches with a play-maker on either Line with our 1st rd pick.  And 2nd, and 3rd, and...

 

Whether it's an edge-rusher, a good interior pass-rushing DLineman, or a solid OLineman like G Quenton Nelson.

 

The defensive picks kind of depend on who is going to be the coach and what defensive scheme we will be running next year, whereas a G like Nelson will probably be All-Pro in almost any offensive scheme.

[Defjamz26]

If this is now the pass rusher thread, I like unchenna Nwosu from USC in the 3rd/4th Round.

[BleedBlu8792]

On 12/3/2017 at 8:59 AM, Defjamz26 said:

I wouldn’t touch a pass rusher that small. Guys like Mathis and Dumerville are rare exceptions to the rule. There are more Khalil Mack’s then there are Robert Mathis’. About 2 years ago there was a guy just like Okoronkwo, and he went to the same school. His name was Eric Striker. Some people had him as a 1st round pick as an edge rusher (and he had decent production too). Then he measured in at 6’0” at the combine and I couldn’t even tell you what’s happened to him, only that he isn’t tearing the league up.

 

And he was only like 215lbs... He was a heckuva college player though

[stitches]

On 12/4/2017 at 5:46 PM, Defjamz26 said:

If this is now the pass rusher thread, I like unchenna Nwosu from USC in the 3rd/4th Round.

Yeah, he's been very productive in all areas but sacks. I'm not sure what this is due, but he's been impressive in the several USC games I've seen.

 

Here's another one to pay attention to - a small school prospect Marcus Davenport from UTSA. I cannot find a lot of film on him but I've been hearing draftniks swoon over him. Here are some highlights:

 

 

 

[krunk]

It's real early but so far after a couple small glances I've liked the way this guy moves

 

 

 

Dorance Armstrong Jr.*, 3-4OLB, Kansas
Height: 6-4. Weight: 241.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2018): 1-2.
11/18/17: In 2017, Armstrong has 53 tackles with eight for a loss, one sack, three forced fumbles and a pass batted. Sources have said they continue to be impressed by Armstrong. He is a fast edge defender with very good athleticism. He also sees lots of double teams with plays going away from him.

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OLB3-4.php#pG2Dukk2HwvLBBOj.99

[Luck 4 president]

14 out of how many taken in the first round? Those 14 are rare finds and nobody in this draft compares to Joey Bosa out of college. It’s a high risk/high reward position in the first round. If there were a guy like Bosa I would 100% go for it but I just don’t see it in the top rushers this year.