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you mean like Montori Hughes, Zach Kerr and RJF? ;)  Unless someone suffers a career threatening injury, I don't think DL will be a focus in the coming draft, unless somehow a Ngata type player somehow slips to the end of the first round.  At this point I'd have to say the most likely position to be addressed in the first round is safety.  

 

 

You forget that there is Zach Kerr, Montori Hughes, and now even Quarles. All of those guys are pretty young. I'd take one of those guys if they slipped to the 3rd or 4th round though.

 

IMO Kerr and Hughes are better at NT and DT in the 3-4 which is what they primarily play. We need a balanced DE in this draft with some size that can pass rush and stuff the run. 

 

But yeah as long as we go defense and OL I think we'll be fine. Wouldn't mind picking up a game breaking back like Duke Johnson if we have the chance (He's the guy on my profile pic) not be biased at all lol.

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1.Jaelen Strong-WR Arizona State

2.Anthony Harris-S Virginia

3.Zach Hodges-OLB/DE Harvard

4.Ladarius Gunter-CB Miami

5.Phillip Dorsett-WR Miami

6.Terron Ward-RB Oregon State

7.Jamil Douglas-RT/RG/LG Arizona

 

 

A couple changes, I don't see my mocks changing to much at all right now with the exception of probably Gunter, Maybe Hodges though I like this kids first step  quite a bit.

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1.Jaelen Strong-WR Arizona State

2.Anthony Harris-S Virginia

3.Zach Hodges-OLB/DE Harvard

4.Ladarius Gunter-CB Miami

5.Phillip Dorsett-WR Miami

6.Terron Ward-RB Oregon State

7.Jamil Douglas-RT/RG/LG Arizona

 

 

A couple changes, I don't see my mocks changing to much at all right now with the exception of probably Gunter, Maybe Hodges though I like this kids first step  quite a bit.

 

 

Strong is my current man-crush.     One of the few offensive players I'd be OK taking in the 1st round.

 

Watching him as I have for the past two years (3 games vs. Stanford)  he plays like a Man against Boys.    He makes most everything he does look easy -- even when it's not.     And he high-points more catches than most any receiver I've seen do.   He's great on the back-shoulder throws.     Great body control.    Superior hands.

 

Great body.....  6'3" and 215.

 

Not stop-watch fast:  4.55 (roughly)

 

But field fast.   Game fast.    Runs good patterns.  

 

I look forward to seeing more of him,  especially in Jan/Feb/Mar for workouts and all star games....

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Strong is my current man-crush.     One of the few offensive players I'd be OK taking in the 1st round.

 

Watching him as I have for the past two years (3 games vs. Stanford)  he plays like a Man against Boys.    He makes most everything he does look easy -- even when it's not.     And he high-points more catches than I've seen most any receiver do.   He's great on the back-shoulder throws.     Great body control.    Superior hands.

 

Great body.....  6'3" and 215.

 

Not stop-watch fast:  4.55 (roughly)

 

But field fast.   Game fast.    Runs good patterns.  

 

I look forward to seeing more of him,  especially in Jan/Feb/Mar for workouts and all star games....

Yeah, would love if he was there when we picked....Im not holding my breath.

 

As for O Line that I chose, Douglas had an off field issue in that he stole a teammates laptop I think it was back in 2010, Hasn't gotten in trouble since then however and I am wanting to go for more athletic versatile O Linemen to develop.....If he checks out to have put that behind him and learned and grown from that decision

 

Not that I'd expect our O Line to drastically change much over the coming years but it happens

 

I like maulers but athletic O Linemen can develop that strength and can ultimately prove to be more versatile. I like them much more, Love watching an O Lineman that can pick up his feet and is agile enough to hit a Linebacker on the move clearing a lane.

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How good are the OL prospects after Scherff though? He is the one O-lineman who I think is a guaranteed 1st rounder, and probably the best player in the draft, regardless of position.

 

A couple O-linemen I like are Spencer Drango and T.J. Clemmings. Drango may or may not declare for the draft as he's got another year left after this, but he's playing the LT at a really high level for Baylor. Clemmings is still pretty raw in only his second year as an O-lineman but he's absolutely shot up the draftboards in a hurry. Not really as safe a bet as a guy like Drango, but he's really impressed scouts. He currently plays RT for Pittsburgh.

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You forget that there is Zach Kerr, Montori Hughes, and now even Quarles. All of those guys are pretty young. I'd take one of those guys if they slipped to the 3rd or 4th round though.

 

... And Chapman... I'd go after Vic Beasley or Randy Gregory OLB/DE in the Draft.  Fowler is another that impresses me...

IF not, there is a nice class coming out in 2016.  A couple first rounders might be nice in 2016.

 

Have to wait and see.

 

Cheers

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... And Chapman... I'd go after Vic Beasley or Randy Gregory OLB/DE in the Draft.  Fowler is another that impresses me...

IF not, there is a nice class coming out in 2016.  A couple first rounders might be nice in 2016.

 

Have to wait and see.

 

Cheers

IDK. Newsome has 3 sacks with very limited snaps. He could very well be the future at OLB. He and Werner. There are some 1st round pass rushers from the 2014 draft that don't even have those numbers. It would have to be BPA for us to take an OLB. Like Beasley or Gregory falling to our pick.

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All these rankings change but ATM, there seems to be a deep class of DE/LB types.  Safeties, not so much. I think we need an inside linebacker to replace D'Qwell, if McNary can't cut it.  The list (numbers are CBS/DraftScout rankings):   6 Shawn Oakman DE Baylor 6-8 275;10 Shaq Thompson OLB Washington 6-2 231;11 Vic Beasley OLB Clemson 6-2 235;12 Shane Ray DE Missouri 6-3 245;18 Shilique Calhoun DE Michigan State 6-4 257;20 Dante Fowler DE Florida 6-2 261; 22 Benardrick McKinney ILB Mississippi State 6-4 249; 23? (CBS doesn't rank Floyd as he is a sophomore) Leonard Floyd DE Georgia 6-4 230; 25 Alvin Dupree DE Kentucky 6-4 267.  I would be happy with either McKinney or Dupree.  Late in the 2nd round may be the spot for a safety: 52 Derron Smith FS Fresno State 5-11 197; 67 Cody Prewitt FS Ole Miss 6-2 217;76 Kurtis Drummond FS Michigan State 6-1 205.  Denzel Perryman ILB 5-11 242 is listed at 56.

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IDK. Newsome has 3 sacks with very limited snaps. He could very well be the future at OLB. He and Werner. There are some 1st round pass rushers from the 2014 draft that don't even have those numbers. It would have to be BPA for us to take an OLB. Like Beasley or Gregory falling to our pick.

 

Mathis  Replacement....Depth.  Pass Rush has killed us against good teams.

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All these rankings change but ATM, there seems to be a deep class of DE/LB types.  Safeties, not so much. I think we need an inside linebacker to replace D'Qwell, if McNary can't cut it.  The list (numbers are CBS/DraftScout rankings):   6 Shawn Oakman DE Baylor 6-8 275;10 Shaq Thompson OLB Washington 6-2 231;11 Vic Beasley OLB Clemson 6-2 235;12 Shane Ray DE Missouri 6-3 245;18 Shilique Calhoun DE Michigan State 6-4 257;20 Dante Fowler DE Florida 6-2 261; 22 Benardrick McKinney ILB Mississippi State 6-4 249; 23? (CBS doesn't rank Floyd as he is a sophomore) Leonard Floyd DE Georgia 6-4 230; 25 Alvin Dupree DE Kentucky 6-4 267.  I would be happy with either McKinney or Dupree.  Late in the 2nd round may be the spot for a safety: 52 Derron Smith FS Fresno State 5-11 197; 67 Cody Prewitt FS Ole Miss 6-2 217;76 Kurtis Drummond FS Michigan State 6-1 205.  Denzel Perryman ILB 5-11 242 is listed at 56.

 

 

It's very rare that a team uses a 1st round pick on an ILB for a 3-4....   or even a MLB in a 4-3.

 

That position gets pulled too often for an extra corner or safety to make it worth a 1st round pick.

 

I think the chances of the colts using a 1st round pick on an ILB are right up there with using a 1st R pick on a RB.

 

Not going to happen.

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Mathis  Replacement....Depth.  Pass Rush has killed us against good teams.

 

Lack of playmakers on defense in general has killed us. You can't just expect to have pass rushers do all the work all the time. Defensive stars don't just have to be pass rushers. Don't forget what Bob Sanders did for the Colts D back in the day.

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It's very rare that a team uses a 1st round pick on an ILB for a 3-4....   or even a MLB in a 4-3.

 

That position gets pulled too often for an extra corner or safety to make it worth a 1st round pick.

 

I think the chances of the colts using a 1st round pick on an ILB are right up there with using a 1st R pick on a RB.

 

Not going to happen.

Understand completely what your saying but I disagree. If you feel that there is a Ray Lewis type talent in the draft in the 1st round.....an every down ILB then I think you have to get him, Now as to IF there is that type a talent in this draft? Well I have not watched much in regards to that position so I could not tell ya...I do like McKinney who also can play rush linebacker to. But I did a little research and.....

 

CJ Mosley ILB-2014

Luke Keuchly ILB-2012

Rolando Mcclain ILB-2010

Brian Cushing ILB-2009

 

That's just going back 5 years. Im not campaigning for any 1 position, I want the BPA that's not a QB, TE or RB.......Though I reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy like Gordon out of Wisconsin!....But I think we can find rb's who have the skill to be great as well LATE in the draft.

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Understand completely what your saying but I disagree. If you feel that there is a Ray Lewis type talent in the draft in the 1st round.....an every down ILB then I think you have to get him, Now as to IF there is that type a talent in this draft? Well I have not watched much in regards to that position so I could not tell ya...I do like McKinney who also can play rush linebacker to. But I did a little research and.....

 

CJ Mosley ILB-2014

Luke Keuchly ILB-2012

Rolando Mcclain ILB-2010

Brian Cushing ILB-2009

 

That's just going back 5 years. Im not campaigning for any 1 position, I want the BPA that's not a QB, TE or RB.......Though I reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy like Gordon out of Wisconsin!....But I think we can find rb's who have the skill to be great as well LATE in the draft.

 

So,  no ILB for two years.    None.

 

And in the years that there were,  there was a grand total of ONE in each of those years.

 

Which is what I said....   very rare.      1 out of 32, to me is rare.

 

And some years where there is none.    Again, rare.

 

We're not talking about OL or DL or QB or WR's,  or CB,  or OLB.    

 

You might get 1 center or 1 guard or 1 Nose Tackle.   But rarely do you get more.

 

They're just not considered premium positions.

 

Do you take a Ray Lewis?    Obviously.     Do you take a Mosely?    Sure.     I've got no problem with that.

 

I just don't see this front office doing that.     Not at this point of the Colts rebuilding process.  

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So,  no ILB for two years.    None.

 

And in the years that there were,  there was a grand total of ONE in each of those years.

 

Which is what I said....   very rare.      1 out of 32, to me is rare.

 

And some years where there is none.    Again, rare.

 

We're not talking about OL or DL or QB or WR's,  or CB,  or OLB.    

 

You might get 1 center or 1 guard or 1 Nose Tackle.   But rarely do you get more.

 

They're just not considered premium positions.

 

Do you take a Ray Lewis?    Obviously.     Do you take a Mosely?    Sure.     I've got no problem with that.

 

I just don't see this front office doing that.     Not at this point of the Colts rebuilding process.  

Fair enough, I was just pointing it out there was a ILB taken in almost every 1st round going back to 2000 at least (cause that's as far back as I went)......as a whole not many(Though a few years there was more then 1) but that position is still clearly valued significantly.

 

We  used a 1st round pick on Trent technically already in last years draft(pertaining to your point about our chances of taking a rb or ILB) ...Do I think we go for a rb in the first round this year? No (My personal favorite is Gordon from Wisconsin if were talking 1st round talent)......I'd hope not.....But I would not put it past Grigson

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Understand completely what your saying but I disagree. If you feel that there is a Ray Lewis type talent in the draft in the 1st round.....an every down ILB then I think you have to get him, Now as to IF there is that type a talent in this draft? Well I have not watched much in regards to that position so I could not tell ya...I do like McKinney who also can play rush linebacker to. But I did a little research and.....

 

CJ Mosley ILB-2014

Luke Keuchly ILB-2012

Rolando Mcclain ILB-2010

Brian Cushing ILB-2009

 

That's just going back 5 years. Im not campaigning for any 1 position, I want the BPA that's not a QB, TE or RB.......Though I reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy like Gordon out of Wisconsin!....But I think we can find rb's who have the skill to be great as well LATE in the draft.

 

So,  no ILB for two years.    None.

 

And in the years that there were,  there was a grand total of ONE in each of those years.

 

Which is what I said....   very rare.      1 out of 32, to me is rare.

 

And some years where there is none.    Again, rare.

 

We're not talking about OL or DL or QB or WR's,  or CB,  or OLB.    

 

You might get 1 center or 1 guard or 1 Nose Tackle.   But rarely do you get more.

 

They're just not considered premium positions.

 

Do you take a Ray Lewis?    Obviously.     Do you take a Mosely?    Sure.     I've got no problem with that.

 

I just don't see this front office doing that.     Not at this point of the Colts rebuilding process.  

Not that it changes much, but Ryan Shazier was also an ILB drafted this last year which means that technically there were two ILBs drafted in a single year.

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Not that it changes much, but Ryan Shazier was also an ILB drafted this last year which means that technically there were two ILBs drafted in a single year.

 

Fair enough....   though I believe some teams (more?) liked him more as an OLB...

 

But Pittsburgh is using him inside,  so you make a good point.

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Fair enough, I was just pointing it out there was a ILB taken in almost every 1st round going back to 2000 at least (cause that's as far back as I went)......as a whole not many(Though a few years there was more then 1) but that position is still clearly valued significantly.

 

We  used a 1st round pick on Trent technically already in last years draft(pertaining to your point about our chances of taking a rb or ILB) ...Do I think we go for a rb in the first round this year? No (My personal favorite is Gordon from Wisconsin if were talking 1st round talent)......I'd hope not.....But I would not put it past Grigson

 

Yes,  we used a #1 on Trent when the conventional wisdom was to not take a RB with a first round pick.

 

And since it hasn't worked out as anyone had hoped,  that's why I think we won't do it again.    Clearly, I have no way of knowing, but it's my hunch....   and it doesn't seem unreasonable.

 

When you get burned this badly,  you tend not to make the same mistake twice......

 

Just sayin....

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Lack of playmakers on defense in general has killed us. You can't just expect to have pass rushers do all the work all the time. Defensive stars don't just have to be pass rushers. Don't forget what Bob Sanders did for the Colts D back in the day.

 

Not to go into all of our defensive weaknesses... The DL is pretty good right now.  LBs pretty good right now.  CBs. Pretty good right now.  However, S, DE, CBs debatable. With the 32nd pick, we may not have a choice but to draft BPA.  :goodluck:

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Too early to know.....

 

Long, long time before the draft.

 

Right now,  Collins,  the Alabama kid is the most talked about......

He is more of a box safety though from what I hear prewitt from old miss or Harris from Virginia seem to be better fits from manusky and paganos defense both have great coverage skills

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Long time lurker, 1st time poster.  With all the depth in the draft at OLB/DE hybrids, why not look at drafting a couple high in the draft and possibly looking at moving one to ILB.  I always fancied us having a fast and agressive linebacking corp with an average height of 6'3" with an average weight of 260 (kind of like what the Steelers used to have) that all possess a triple threat ability  (pass rusher,run stopper, coverage skills).  Werner's size.  I know Werner doesn't have the speed and moves of Mathis, but he can stop the run better than Mathis.  I want more height and speed at ILB so we match up better against TE's.  Seems like all the top ILB prospects are 6' or shorter and 240 lbs.  LOL - I want at least 2 more inches and 15 more pounds.  I don't know a ton about defensive schemes, but would it be a huge challenge for an elite college OLB/DE hybrid to make a change to the inside.  Just trying to think outside the box with this deep draft of OLB talent.  Get better blitzes and coverage from ILB's with bigger; more athletic OLB's.   Same goes with safties to counter TE's.  6'2" 220 lb safties would be nice.  Revis is an UFA this year.  Dump Gosder and/or Jackson/Landry to make room for his salary and pair him up with Davis.  Move Toler to nickel and Butler to Dime.  Get one tall athletic safety with excellent coverage skills and good tackling ability (Prewitt, Drummond, or the kid out of Syracuse).  We also have Purifoy we could experiment with at safety.  I think we would be reaching too far to try and get a safety in the 1st round. 

     I don't think there will be any shut down corners that would be the equivalent of Davis left in the 1st round when we pick except maybe Peters due to character issues; thats why I mentioned Revis.  Also,  due to the age of Reggie and lack of depth after TY and Moncrief, i wouldn't be totally against drafting a stud wr in the 1st if one falls if there are no elite safties, LB's (inside or out), or CB's left when we pick.

 

1st round      BPA at OLB, FS, CB, ILB 

2nd round     BPA at OLB, FS, CB, ILB

3rd round     BPA at OLB, FS, CB, ILB

4th though 7th - just go with BPA regardless of position with the exception of TE, DT.  I love our quality of depth on our interior DL and our TE's.

 

 

Flame away :)     

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Long time lurker, 1st time poster.  With all the depth in the draft at OLB/DE hybrids, why not look at drafting a couple high in the draft and possibly looking at moving one to ILB.  I always fancied us having a fast and agressive linebacking corp with an average height of 6'3" with an average weight of 260 (kind of like what the Steelers used to have) that all possess a triple threat ability  (pass rusher,run stopper, coverage skills).  Werner's size.  I know Werner doesn't have the speed and moves of Mathis, but he can stop the run better than Mathis.  I want more height and speed at ILB so we match up better against TE's.  Seems like all the top ILB prospects are 6' or shorter and 240 lbs.  LOL - I want at least 2 more inches and 15 more pounds.  I don't know a ton about defensive schemes, but would it be a huge challenge for an elite college OLB/DE hybrid to make a change to the inside.  Just trying to think outside the box with this deep draft of OLB talent.  Get better blitzes and coverage from ILB's with bigger; more athletic OLB's.   Same goes with safties to counter TE's.  6'2" 220 lb safties would be nice.  Revis is an UFA this year.  Dump Gosder and/or Jackson/Landry to make room for his salary and pair him up with Davis.  Move Toler to nickel and Butler to Dime.  Get one tall athletic safety with excellent coverage skills and good tackling ability (Prewitt, Drummond, or the kid out of Syracuse).  We also have Purifoy we could experiment with at safety.  I think we would be reaching too far to try and get a safety in the 1st round. 

     I don't think there will be any shut down corners that would be the equivalent of Davis left in the 1st round when we pick except maybe Peters due to character issues; thats why I mentioned Revis.  Also,  due to the age of Reggie and lack of depth after TY and Moncrief, i wouldn't be totally against drafting a stud wr in the 1st if one falls if there are no elite safties, LB's (inside or out), or CB's left when we pick.

 

1st round      BPA at OLB, FS, CB, ILB 

2nd round     BPA at OLB, FS, CB, ILB

3rd round     BPA at OLB, FS, CB, ILB

4th though 7th - just go with BPA regardless of position with the exception of TE, DT.  I love our quality of depth on our interior DL and our TE's.

 

 

Flame away :)     

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/benardrick-mckinney/

 

 

I have just the player your looking for.....Benardrick McKinney of Mississippi State, Plays ILB/OLB both pretty well...If he declares this year..He is a Jr.

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After watching us the past few weeks. We are still way behind on the OLINE. Not sure if we should go 1st round O-Line? J Harrison is a good fit a Center and can hold his own. I think we need to go Right Guard and Right Tackle for sure depending if Grigz makes moves in Free agency. 

 

Most glaring need imo is Free Safety. Watched Harris this weekend vs my Miami Hurricanes. And he's a perfect fit for this defense. Best Free Safety in college IMO. Came up and made some impressive open field tackles on Duke Johnson who is just electric one on one. Harris has worked on his tackling the off season and can bring the boom now. He's complete. Might be gone before we get our chance to draft him. 

 

The other need is DE or DT.

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After watching us the past few weeks. We are still way behind on the OLINE. Not sure if we should go 1st round O-Line? J Harrison is a good fit a Center and can hold his own. I think we need to go Right Guard and Right Tackle for sure depending if Grigz makes moves in Free agency. 

 

Most glaring need imo is Free Safety. Watched Harris this weekend vs my Miami Hurricanes. And he's a perfect fit for this defense. Best Free Safety in college IMO. Came up and made some impressive open field tackles on Duke Johnson who is just electric one on one. Harris has worked on his tackling the off season and can bring the boom now. He's complete. Might be gone before we get our chance to draft him. 

 

The other need is DE or DT.

We are forgetting how good the O-line looked early in the season.  We've shuffled it continually since then for injuries.  We don't lack players, we just lack continuity.  We've been very soggy on the right edge, and Thornton has been nicked up, making the whole right side vulnerable.  Thornton has played good football previously, and so has Cherilus - in stretches.  

 

Unless the staff doesn't think Cherilus can get healthy, those 2 will be your starting right side for 1 more year.  We'll draft O-line for depth and development, but nothing too high unless there is a RT prospect on the board that can't be passed up in the 2nd or 3rd.  We have to give the interior players another full year together to develop some continuity - and Grigs will.

 

The draft menu has expanded some in recent weeks to include greater needs on the offensive side (RB and WR).  Boom stepped in and played a bigger role than T-Rich yesterday, which appears to be a direct acknowledgement by our staff that he is not viewed as a bellcow at this point - so RB could be elevated on the draft board, but the early round emphasis remains heavily on the defensive side of the ball.  It doesn't really matter what positions.  You can only draft one good player at a time, and we need them at every position on the defense, including CB.    

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Here is a draft that would solve most if not all our issues, I believe anyways...

 

Round 2 Pick 5 (TENN): Danny Shelton, DT, Washington (A-)
Round 2 Pick 9 (ATL): T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (B+)
Round 3 Pick 5 (TENN): Nate Orchard, DE, Utah (A)
Round 3 Pick 9 (ATL): Duke Johnson, RB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 3 Pick 18: Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State (A)
Round 4 Pick 18: Jordan Richards, SS, Stanford (A)
Round 5 Pick 18: Ladarius Gunter, CB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 6 Pick 18: Quandre Diggs, CB, Texas (A-)
Round 6 Pick 23: Junior Sylvestre, OLB, Toledo (B)
Round 7 Pick 18: Trey DePriest, ILB, Alabama (B+)
Round 7 Pick 19: Kasen Williams, WR, Washington ©

 

We now have a beast at NT in Shelton who can actually pass rush, a new RT in Clemmings, another good pass rusher for the future in Orchard(and a great leader I may add), a talented RB in Johnson to share carries with Richardson, a great 3rd WR once Reggie retires in Greene, and good depth in the secondary. The one player I missed out on that I wanted was CB/FS Senquez Golson. I feel like he could be another Tyrann Mathieu for us at FS.

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Here is a draft that would solve most if not all our issues, I believe anyways...

 

Round 2 Pick 5 (TENN): Danny Shelton, DT, Washington (A-)

Round 2 Pick 9 (ATL): T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (B+)

Round 3 Pick 5 (TENN): Nate Orchard, DE, Utah (A)

Round 3 Pick 9 (ATL): Duke Johnson, RB, Miami (Fla.) (A)

Round 3 Pick 18: Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State (A)

Round 4 Pick 18: Jordan Richards, SS, Stanford (A)

Round 5 Pick 18: Ladarius Gunter, CB, Miami (Fla.) (A)

Round 6 Pick 18: Quandre Diggs, CB, Texas (A-)

Round 6 Pick 23: Junior Sylvestre, OLB, Toledo (B)

Round 7 Pick 18: Trey DePriest, ILB, Alabama (B+)

Round 7 Pick 19: Kasen Williams, WR, Washington ©

 

We now have a beast at NT in Shelton who can actually pass rush, a new RT in Clemmings, another good pass rusher for the future in Orchard(and a great leader I may add), a talented RB in Johnson to share carries with Richardson, a great 3rd WR once Reggie retires in Greene, and good depth in the secondary. The one player I missed out on that I wanted was CB/FS Senquez Golson. I feel like he could be another Tyrann Mathieu for us at FS.

Im guessing by your mock draft that we traded back with all those extra picks. The only 2 ? I see is Duke Johnson and Rashard Greene. They'll both be gone before the 3rd round.

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