Colts have the 15th pick in the draft. (MERGE)

[Moosejawcolt]

24 minutes ago, boo2202 said:

Agree with this as well. The worst part is going into the draft with soooo many positions that could stand an upgrade. The main reason I didn’t understand ballard’s FA approach. I miss the times when the roster was solid and we could afford luxury picks. It’s seems like it’s been the same the past 10 years. We go into the draft having to pick a certain position or position’s because of the lack of talent on the roster. All the talk of bowers falling to 10 and not being able to draft him because we have 5 other bigger needs sucks. I place that on Ballard. 

I think they tried to be active, in free agency but  u can't drag a player to town if he wants to go somewhere else. I just blame Ballard’s drafting as to why we r needy at some of the most important positions.  We have no pass rushing franchise DE, no #1 corner, no deep FS. On offence we badly need a take the top off wr. I think our needs on D are glaring. I think this is a heavy D draft. The only way u go te or wr at 15 is if the top 3 Dends are off the table and say a guy like Mitchel is off the board.

[Dobbinblitz]

After the first round, would not be surprised if Texas A&M linebacker Edgerrin Cooper is not high on Ballard's draft Board. He has a similar wiry build as Leonard ( 6'3" 230lbs ) with a good wingspan, very good sideline to sideline speed (4.51 -2nd fastest among pure linebackers), and excellent lateral movement.. Has eight pass break-ups over the  last 2 seasons. Has a 9.34 RAS score which ranked in the top 10% of all LB's since 1987. Impressed in interviews as someone smart and mature. He is considered a solid tackler with good football instincts. He allowed 14 pass completions for the entire 2024 season, 17 tackles for loss, and 8 sacks for an under performing A&M team n the SEC.

 

Colts desperately could use  a coverage / blitz capable linebacker to replace the production of Okereke. Cooper appears to be a Ballard type pick who would fill a big need.

[dw49]

On 4/13/2024 at 3:27 PM, Dingus McGirt said:

I know this probably the wrong place to ask - but what happened to the variety of reactions one could use?  I was out of the net for a bit, and likely missed the change.

 

I'm begging to the Cooper DeJean is a probable target for Ballard's pick in round 1.

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I think they tried to be active, in free agency but  u can't drag a player to town if he wants to go somewhere else. I just blame Ballard’s drafting as to why we r needy at some of the most important positions.  We have no pass rushing franchise DE, no #1 corner, no deep FS. On offence we badly need a take the top off wr. I think our needs on D are glaring. I think this is a heavy D draft. The only way u go te or wr at 15 is if the top 3 Dends are off the table and say a guy like Mitchel is off the board.

The draft is heavy on the offense.    Sorry.  

[Moosejawcolt]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

The draft is heavy on the offense.    Sorry.  

We shall find out next week who was right

[Moosejawcolt]

10 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

I'm begging to the Cooper DeJean is a probable target for Ballard's pick in round 1.

I don't think u draft a zone corner  in round one who maybe converted to safety.

[NewColtsFan]

2 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

We shall find out next week who was right

I just went thru Daniel Jeremiah’s top-50.  
 

The first 8 players were offense

 

14 out of the first 20 were offense. 
 

20 out of the first 30 were offense

 

25 out of the first 40 were offense.   
 

30 out of 50 were offense.   
 

And it’s roughly similar over on ESPN.   
 

This is not a secret.  It’s been called a heavy offensive draft since evaluators started talking about it.   This is not my opinion.   It’s the viewpoint of professional evaluators.  

[Moosejawcolt]

Just now, NewColtsFan said:

I just went thru Daniel Jeremiah’s top-50.  
 

The first 8 players were offense

 

14 out of the first 20 were offense. 
 

20 out of the first 30 were offense

 

25 out of the first 40 were offense.   
 

30 out of 50 were offense.   
 

And it’s roughly similar over on ESPN.   
 

This is not a secret.  It’s been called a heavy offensive draft since evaluators started talking about it.   This is not my opinion.   It’s the viewpoint of professional evaluators.  

Oh sorry.  I thought u meant it would be an offense driven draft for Indy. I agree with u about it being an offense rich draft. That is why we use our 1st 2 picks on D

[Indyfan4life]

Take it for what this is worth, but they said on Pat McAfee not long ago Indy is looking to trade up. 

[Moosejawcolt]

9 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said:

Take it for what this is worth, but they said on Pat McAfee not long ago Indy is looking to trade up. 

I have saying it that this is the year where I feel Ballard will pull trigger. Steichen comes from thr Eagles and they love to wheel and deal. I think pressure is on Ballard to come away with a play maker. I see Dend of corner

[NewColtsFan]

26 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Oh sorry.  I thought u meant it would be an offense driven draft for Indy. I agree with u about it being an offense rich draft. That is why we use our 1st 2 picks on D

I don’t see the Colts using the first two picks on defense, though I suppose it’s possible.   I believe one of our first two picks will be a WR.   Hard for me to believe the Colts would wait until R3 or 4 to take a WR.   That makes no sense to me.  

[boo2202]

23 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said:

Take it for what this is worth, but they said on Pat McAfee not long ago Indy is looking to trade up. 

If we’re moving up it’s for an offensive playmaker. Turner will be gone. One of Verse,Arnold, or Mitchell will be available at 15. If Rome or Malik is there at 9, I think that’s our target. Don’t see Ballard moving up for a TE. 

[Moosejawcolt]

8 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

I don’t see the Colts using the first two picks on defense, though I suppose it’s possible.   I believe one of our first two picks will be a WR.   Hard for me to believe the Colts would wait until R3 or 4 to take a WR.   That makes no sense to me.  

I do think he will stay put or move up

[dw49]

44 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I don't think u draft a zone corner  in round one who maybe converted to safety.

 

I think he goes in round 1 and with a trade down 6-7 spots , he would have enough value to take him there. 

[Moosejawcolt]

22 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

I think he goes in round 1 and with a trade down 6-7 spots , he would have enough value to take him there. 

Yeah I just don't see it. I see him more as a 2nd round pick.

[Moosejawcolt]

26 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

I think he goes in round 1 and with a trade down 6-7 spots , he would have enough value to take him there. 

Plus, If u look at the corners drafted last year in the 1st round, they all ran in the 4.3s, I believe some of them were slight in build but teams willing to gamble because of their speed. Cooper runs in the 4.5's unless he has posted  some new times. Cannot recall the last time a corner with those times went in the 1st let alone top 15.

[Dobbinblitz]

2 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Plus, If u look at the corners drafted last year in the 1st round, they all ran in the 4.3s, I believe some of them were slight in build but teams willing to gamble because of their speed. Cooper runs in the 4.5's unless he has posted  some new times. Cannot recall the last time a corner with those times went in the 1st let alone top 15.

Dejean ran a 4.43 at his recent pro day. I agree that he may be better suited for Safety in the NFL due to tight hips.

[Moosejawcolt]

12 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:

Dejean ran a 4.43 at his recent pro day. I agree that he may be better suited for Safety in the NFL due to tight hips.

a hand timed 4.43 is usually in the 4.5's if electronic. He is not a man corner, plus he is white lol. That's coming from a white guy lol

[stitches]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

I just went thru Daniel Jeremiah’s top-50.  
 

The first 8 players were offense

 

14 out of the first 20 were offense. 
 

20 out of the first 30 were offense

 

25 out of the first 40 were offense.   
 

30 out of 50 were offense.   
 

And it’s roughly similar over on ESPN.   
 

This is not a secret.  It’s been called a heavy offensive draft since evaluators started talking about it.   This is not my opinion.   It’s the viewpoint of professional evaluators.  

So... It sounds like the first 8 are offense and then... They are relatively evenly spread between offense and defense. Interesting...

[dw49]

14 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

a hand timed 4.43 is usually in the 4.5's if electronic. He is not a man corner, plus he is white lol. That's coming from a white guy lol

 

RAS score was 9.89. C'mon... with the hand held vs electronic. Are you saying that his 40 is really higher than the 4.43 he ran. Well ... how about those other CBs that ran 40s in the 4.4's at the combine ? Theirs are really 4.4 but DeJean's is not ? 

[stitches]

21 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

a hand timed 4.43 is usually in the 4.5's if electronic. He is not a man corner, plus he is white lol. That's coming from a white guy lol

He's exactly the type Ballard likes - very similar testing profile to Brents last year. Possibly not the greatest straight line speed, but he's big and has great explosiveness scores.

[ADnum1]

46 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

a hand timed 4.43 is usually in the 4.5's if electronic. He is not a man corner, plus he is white lol. That's coming from a white guy lol

So is Alec Pierce.

Wait a minute....

[Moosejawcolt]

Just now, PRnum1 said:

So is Alec Pierce.

Wait a minute....

Lol....

24 minutes ago, stitches said:

He's exactly the type Ballard likes - very similar testing profile to Brents last year. Possibly not the greatest straight line speed, but he's big and has great explosiveness scores.

Agreed but not worthy of a pick at 15 or even top 20. I think he is a 2nd rounder.

[richard pallo]

1 hour ago, dw49 said:

 

I think he goes in round 1 and with a trade down 6-7 spots , he would have enough value to take him there. 

Trading down for more picks doesn’t really make sense to me with this team as it’s currently constructed.  I think we were the youngest team in the league last year.  If not then we were very close.  We have all 22 starters coming back and the three specialists.  That’s a strong nucleus.  We resigned a number of key reserves and added two more key reserves in FA.  We have a number of key players returning from injury that were counted on to be key contributors last year.  I’m thinking of players like Flowers, Dulin, Woods, Hull to name a few.  My point being I’m not sure our current seven draft picks will all make the roster.   And we still could sign a FA or two.  This strikes me as the time to move up and try for better talent not trade back to get more picks.  I also read it’s not considered a good draft class overall.  I read where once we get past the top 150 prospects it’s not that great of a class.  So I think this is the year to trade up even if it costs us a pick or two.

[Moosejawcolt]

28 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

RAS score was 9.89. C'mon... with the hand held vs electronic. Are you saying that his 40 is really higher than the 4.43 he ran. Well ... how about those other CBs that ran 40s in the 4.4's at the combine ? Theirs are really 4.4 but DeJean's is not ? 

I go by the combine as they are electronic plus film in terms of short area quickness and long speed. He lacks short area quickness and if he gets beat, I don't think he has the speed to recover.  That's why a man corner needs that speed and 10th of a second is a major thing. I just don't see it and his type of player can be found after the 1st

 

[Stephen]

2 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Oh sorry.  I thought u meant it would be an offense driven draft for Indy. I agree with u about it being an offense rich draft. That is why we use our 1st 2 picks on D

If we use our first two picks on d we are failing  Richardson 

[jvan1973]

15 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I go by the combine as they are electronic plus film in terms of short area quickness and long speed. He lacks short area quickness and if he gets beat, I don't think he has the speed to recover.  That's why a man corner needs that speed and 10th of a second is a major thing. I just don't see it and his type of player can be found after the 1st

 

Yes,   I'm sure you have watched countless hours of film on him.   

[dw49]

31 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Trading down for more picks doesn’t really make sense to me with this team as it’s currently constructed.  I think we were the youngest team in the league last year.  If not then we were very close.  We have all 22 starters coming back and the three specialists.  That’s a strong nucleus.  We resigned a number of key reserves and added two more key reserves in FA.  We have a number of key players returning from injury that were counted on to be key contributors last year.  I’m thinking of players like Flowers, Dulin, Woods, Hull to name a few.  My point being I’m not sure our current seven draft picks will all make the roster.   And we still could sign a FA or two.  This strikes me as the time to move up and try for better talent not trade back to get more picks.  I also read it’s not considered a good draft class overall.  I read where once we get past the top 150 prospects it’s not that great of a class.  So I think this is the year to trade up even if it costs us a pick or two.

 

I'm thinking that a  trade down would  net us a 3rd and we would package that with our P 46 for something in the high second. Totally agree that it would be bad strategy to accumulate day 3 picks. Even if what you say id not true , this draft is said to be very good in the first half and weak in the later rounds.

[Moosejawcolt]

20 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Yes,   I'm sure you have watched countless hours of film on him.   

U r right, especially since I have no interest in the Colts drafting him in the top 2 rounds 

[Moosejawcolt]

34 minutes ago, Stephen said:

If we use our first two picks on d we are failing  Richardson 

Lol. U strengthen the defense. U limit the opposing team scoring points. In turn there is less pressure on Richardson to score 30 points every game. U keep the score down , and u have more plays on offense. If u r playing catch up, you are passing  more and leaving your qb up for more hits and injury. A strong defense allows u to control the game as u can run more and become less predictable in your play calling

[Stephen]

5 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Exactly, but u can not find a franchise Dend or corner in free agency. U have to draft one. U can sprinkle in wr talent. That is my belief. 

Harrison and  Wayne were first round picks

[Stephen]

18 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Lol. U strengthen the defense. U limit the opposing team scoring points. In turn there is less pressure on Richardson to score 30 points every game. U keep the score down , and u have more plays on offense. If u r playing catch up, you are passing  more and leaving your qb up for more hits and injury. A strong defense allows u to control the game as u can run more and become less predictable in your play calling

Again the league  is built for offense. No defense is going to have as big an effect as a good offense 

[Dobbinblitz]

SportsBetting. listed their betting odds for which positions are most likely to be selected by each of the 32 NFL teams in the first round next Thursday. So, what do they think is most likely to happen for the Colts? 

Cornerback: +120

Wide Receiver: +250

Tight End: +275

Defensive Line/Edge: +700

[Superman]

1 hour ago, dw49 said:

 

RAS score was 9.89. C'mon... with the hand held vs electronic. Are you saying that his 40 is really higher than the 4.43 he ran. Well ... how about those other CBs that ran 40s in the 4.4's at the combine ? Theirs are really 4.4 but DeJean's is not ? 

 

I generally add .05 to hand times because I feel like they tend to be home cooked. Not saying that's the right way to do it, but I think there's reason to be skeptical of the non-Combine times. 

 

In this case, that would make DeJean's time more like 4.48. Based on what I watched, I thought he'd run about 4.5. I agree that his long speed and quickness are a step below what a top tier corner should have, but he's very explosive, tough, instinctive, great ball skills, etc. I see him as a Day 2 prospect, and more of a nickel / strong safety than a boundary corner, even in our zone defense. 

[Stephen]

2 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:

SportsBetting. listed their betting odds for which positions are most likely to be selected by each of the 32 NFL teams in the first round next Thursday. So, what do they think is most likely to happen for the Colts? 

Cornerback: +120

Wide Receiver: +250

Tight End: +275

Defensive Line/Edge: +700

If we draft a 4.5 corner in the first  Houston  will win the division 

[Dobbinblitz]

FYI, for anyone that did not already see this:

Ballard.s Pre-Draft Press Conference is tomorrow at 12:00 PM on Colts.com

[Moosejawcolt]

9 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:

SportsBetting. listed their betting odds for which positions are most likely to be selected by each of the 32 NFL teams in the first round next Thursday. So, what do they think is most likely to happen for the Colts? 

Cornerback: +120

Wide Receiver: +250

Tight End: +275

Defensive Line/Edge: +700

Corner

[Moosejawcolt]

U r intent on  building a team with an offense but having a defense that has no talent. Welcome to Manning 2.0

[GoColts8818]

11 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

U r intent on  building a team with an offense but having a defense that has no talent. Welcome to Manning 2.0

I’d love to see you tell Buckner to his face he has no talent (which you implied by saying the defense had no talent).  They might need more talent but saying they have no talent is an over exaggeration.  

[jvan1973]

14 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

U r intent on  building a team with an offense but having a defense that has no talent. Welcome to Manning 2.0

I'll take the Manning era again