Brock Bowers

[joeb]

I'm giddy thinking of getting this kid. Damn he's really good. A true playmaker. He would make the O so much better. 

 

[Solid84]

1 hour ago, joeb said:

I'm giddy thinking of getting this kid. Damn he's really good. A true playmaker. He would make the O so much better. 

 

I hope he falls to us, but I think there are too many teams in the 9-14 range who could pick him. 

[MikeCurtis]

The Top 4 teams left in playoffs ALL have stud TEs

 

There is a message here

 

I also think Bowers will be gone at 15…..  but if he is there I think you HAVE to pick him

 

Watch the tape….. the kid is amazing 

Pro bowl after Pro bowl

 

 

[MikeCurtis]

3 hours ago, joeb said:

I'm giddy thinking of getting this kid. Damn he's really good. A true playmaker. He would make the O so much better. 

 

There MIGHT be a chance that he slides

 

there will be a run on QBs, WRs, and OTs

 

 

It MIGHT happen….

[The Rude Dude]

I just saw 2 mocks on the nil network. One had Bowers as our pick the other one was Nabors. I would be happy with either one. Then we start picking defense in round 2.

[twfish]

He's probably the only blue chip player that could fall to us in the draft and that's just due to position. Super well rounded guy and for sure a difference maker.

[Defjamz26]

16 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

The Top 4 teams left in playoffs ALL have stud TEs

Those top 4 teams are also like the only teams who have stud TEs. Most NFL offenses don’t run through the TE or feature them. Elite TE’s are rare to find. Kelce, Kittle, Andrews, Hockenson, and Engram are the top 5 guys In the league, with LaPorta having a shot to jump into that tier. You can probably name 10-12 elite receivers but only 5-6 elite TEs. 
 

I just am always on the side of caution with drafting TEs high in the 1st round because there have been some guys who were supposed to be generational talents or elite players at that position that didn’t pan out or underperformed.

 

1. Eric Ebron, 

2. TJ Hockenson (not on original team that drafted him)

3. Kyle Pitts (You can blame QB play but still)

4. Noah Fant

5. OJ Howard

6. Hayden Hurst

7. Tyler Eifert

8. Heath Miller

9. Brandon Pettigrew

10. David Njoku

 

The top 3 guys in the league were all drafted in rounds 3 or later. 

[MikeCurtis]

12 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

Those top 4 teams are also like the only teams who have stud TEs. Most NFL offenses don’t run through the TE or feature them. Elite TE’s are rare to find. Kelce, Kittle, Andrews, Hockenson, and Engram are the top 5 guys In the league, with LaPorta having a shot to jump into that tier. You can probably name 10-12 elite receivers but only 5-6 elite TEs. 
 

I just am always on the side of caution with drafting TEs high in the 1st round because there have been some guys who were supposed to be generational talents or elite players at that position that didn’t pan out or underperformed.

 

1. Eric Ebron, 

2. TJ Hockenson (not on original team that drafted him)

3. Kyle Pitts (You can blame QB play but still)

4. Noah Fant

5. OJ Howard

6. Hayden Hurst

7. Tyler Eifert

8. Heath Miller

9. Brandon Pettigrew

10. David Njoku

 

The top 3 guys in the league were all drafted in rounds 3 or later. 

I get that, and ultimately you may be right

 

I think 50% (maybe higher) of all the "cant miss" prospects miss

 

Looking at the draft initially, I was against taking anyone that wasnt a DE, WR, CB, LB, or FS, as I see these as the biggest holes

 

But then I kept watching the kids tape.....  

 

This kid played at a top level against SEC defenses, arguably the most competitive college division

 

He was seemingly impossible to cover, by MANY guys that will be playing on Sundays.

 

He also won the Mackey award twice in College

 

Every step is a risk, but this kid is special

 

Ihomever we pick at 15, has chance of busting

 

He will probably be gone before our pick anyway

 

But I will say...... I am happy with Bowers if we go that way

[Matabix]

We could already have Bowers on our team in Mallory. 

[MikeCurtis]

21 minutes ago, Matabix said:

We could already have Bowers on our team in Mallory. 

Maybe. 
 

We will see 

[Defjamz26]

3 hours ago, MikeCurtis said:

I get that, and ultimately you may be right

 

I think 50% (maybe higher) of all the "cant miss" prospects miss

 

Looking at the draft initially, I was against taking anyone that wasnt a DE, WR, CB, LB, or FS, as I see these as the biggest holes

 

But then I kept watching the kids tape.....  

 

This kid played at a top level against SEC defenses, arguably the most competitive college division

 

He was seemingly impossible to cover, by MANY guys that will be playing on Sundays.

 

He also won the Mackey award twice in College

 

Every step is a risk, but this kid is special

 

Ihomever we pick at 15, has chance of busting

 

He will probably be gone before our pick anyway

 

But I will say...... I am happy with Bowers if we go that way

His tape is definitely good. Theres no denying that. But the same was said about Pitts. And that’s not to say Pitts still can’t be good, but he also played in the SEC and made defenses look silly. He put up 120 yards and a TD against Alabama in his final season in 2020. He also put a 100 up against Tennessee and Ole Miss. Not saying that its exactly the same situation, but there is a precedent here.

 

I think TEs struggle transitioning to the league sometimes because of athletic limitations and skill set. They’re basically bigger but slower receivers, who run a limited route tree. Unless you have a truly elite skill set and elite athleticism, it’s hard to flourish. And again, you need a scheme that makes use of the TE like the old Patriots teams where Gronk and Hernandez gave people fits. 
 

I’ll have to watch more Browers tape. But I also wonder if he is that good, does he fit in a Steichen offense? I would think an elite WR1 would be more valued in a Steichen offense that wants to push the ball vertically with explosives. 

[MikeCurtis]

14 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

 

I’ll have to watch more Browers tape. But I also wonder if he is that good, does he fit in a Steichen offense? I would think an elite WR1 would be more valued in a Steichen offense that wants to push the ball vertically with explosives. 

Great question

 

I think we HAVE to get that separation WR, no matter what

 

He may be a FA, like Hollywood Brown

 

I wish we had more picks

[twfish]

15 hours ago, Matabix said:

We could already have Bowers on our team in Mallory. 

I like Mallory, but he is just a vertical threat. His blocking is pretty bad and he's not a physical player at all where as Bowers is.

[twfish]

14 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

His tape is definitely good. Theres no denying that. But the same was said about Pitts. And that’s not to say Pitts still can’t be good, but he also played in the SEC and made defenses look silly. He put up 120 yards and a TD against Alabama in his final season in 2020. He also put a 100 up against Tennessee and Ole Miss. Not saying that its exactly the same situation, but there is a precedent here.

 

I think TEs struggle transitioning to the league sometimes because of athletic limitations and skill set. They’re basically bigger but slower receivers, who run a limited route tree. Unless you have a truly elite skill set and elite athleticism, it’s hard to flourish. And again, you need a scheme that makes use of the TE like the old Patriots teams where Gronk and Hernandez gave people fits. 
 

I’ll have to watch more Browers tape. But I also wonder if he is that good, does he fit in a Steichen offense? I would think an elite WR1 would be more valued in a Steichen offense that wants to push the ball vertically with explosives. 

Pitts is a weird case. He was always used as basically just a big WR in college and that is kind of all he is. He's not really a blocker, has a slender build and not overly physical. I'm not sure that he was drafted as a TE as more of a playmaker, he is still an insane match up in the pass game against a LB or a slot CB but all other TE duties he leaves plenty to be desired.

 

I think Bowers comps closer to T.J Hockenson with more upside personally. T.J was probably the most complete guy, albeit with the lowest ceiling, out of any other 1st round guy. Although the Lions traded him away his yards and TD's are still great for a TE  

[IndyEV]

Kipers 1st mock draft has Bowers gone at pick 5. I dont think he will fall that low to us. We need to take a wr rnd 1, especially if we lose Pittman to fa!

[tweezy32]

19 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

Those top 4 teams are also like the only teams who have stud TEs. Most NFL offenses don’t run through the TE or feature them. Elite TE’s are rare to find. Kelce, Kittle, Andrews, Hockenson, and Engram are the top 5 guys In the league, with LaPorta having a shot to jump into that tier. You can probably name 10-12 elite receivers but only 5-6 elite TEs. 
 

I just am always on the side of caution with drafting TEs high in the 1st round because there have been some guys who were supposed to be generational talents or elite players at that position that didn’t pan out or underperformed.

 

1. Eric Ebron, 

2. TJ Hockenson (not on original team that drafted him)

3. Kyle Pitts (You can blame QB play but still)

4. Noah Fant

5. OJ Howard

6. Hayden Hurst

7. Tyler Eifert

8. Heath Miller

9. Brandon Pettigrew

10. David Njoku

 

The top 3 guys in the league were all drafted in rounds 3 or later. 

TJ Hockenson is a beast. 

[tweezy32]

Also, A lot of the time players flop is because of what team drafted them. I believe that a lot of it comes from the situation that player is in to make them successful. All these players are busts could have had a whole different career if they were drafted by a different team. Not all players of course, but a lot of them yes.

[IndyScribe]

17 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

His tape is definitely good. Theres no denying that. But the same was said about Pitts. And that’s not to say Pitts still can’t be good, but he also played in the SEC and made defenses look silly. He put up 120 yards and a TD against Alabama in his final season in 2020. He also put a 100 up against Tennessee and Ole Miss. Not saying that its exactly the same situation, but there is a precedent here.

 

I think TEs struggle transitioning to the league sometimes because of athletic limitations and skill set. They’re basically bigger but slower receivers, who run a limited route tree. Unless you have a truly elite skill set and elite athleticism, it’s hard to flourish. And again, you need a scheme that makes use of the TE like the old Patriots teams where Gronk and Hernandez gave people fits. 
 

I’ll have to watch more Browers tape. But I also wonder if he is that good, does he fit in a Steichen offense? I would think an elite WR1 would be more valued in a Steichen offense that wants to push the ball vertically with explosives. 

Bowers is a better prospect than Pitts. It's not Pitts fault but he had no QB and a HC that wasn't running the offense through him or Bijan Robinson. Shane will definitely get him the ball. If you've watched Bowers, you'll know he's definitely a fit for the Colts. He's basically an oversized receiver and has tons of explosiveness. He's a threat to take it to the house. He's going to have a RAS of over 9.5 (I'd bet 9.8-10). Athleticism and explosiveness aren't a concern for him at all.

[IndyScribe]

Bowers is the guy I'm hanging on to for this draft. I really hope he falls to 15 or we trade up to get him. 

[IndyColtsFan411]

18 hours ago, Matabix said:

We could already have Bowers on our team in Mallory. 

Not even close!  No disrespect to you or to Mallory, but if he was close to Bowers in talent, he would have been more reliable in receiving and blocking.  Mallory is a decent player but he is NOT on Bowers' level.  JMO  

[VikingsFanInChennai]

22 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

Those top 4 teams are also like the only teams who have stud TEs. Most NFL offenses don’t run through the TE or feature them. Elite TE’s are rare to find. Kelce, Kittle, Andrews, Hockenson, and Engram are the top 5 guys In the league, with LaPorta having a shot to jump into that tier. You can probably name 10-12 elite receivers but only 5-6 elite TEs. 
 

I just am always on the side of caution with drafting TEs high in the 1st round because there have been some guys who were supposed to be generational talents or elite players at that position that didn’t pan out or underperformed.

 

1. Eric Ebron, 

2. TJ Hockenson (not on original team that drafted him)

3. Kyle Pitts (You can blame QB play but still)

4. Noah Fant

5. OJ Howard

6. Hayden Hurst

7. Tyler Eifert

8. Heath Miller

9. Brandon Pettigrew

10. David Njoku

 

The top 3 guys in the league were all drafted in rounds 3 or later. 

Njoku is getting there with better QB play, he's shown what he could do this year. Browns just didn't get good QBs until Watson in few games and Flacco helped Njoku.

 

Yeah, if Bowers is sure hit prospect at TE, you could move up to get him if it's within few picks range but only draft day will tell. 

[VikingsFanInChennai]

3 hours ago, tweezy32 said:

Also, A lot of the time players flop is because of what team drafted them. I believe that a lot of it comes from the situation that player is in to make them successful. All these players are busts could have had a whole different career if they were drafted by a different team. Not all players of course, but a lot of them yes.

That seems plausible. I'd say that if 50% of "can't miss" prospects become bust, at least 20% of them could be doing much better in a perfect fit, but it's hard to get that right combination for the player as teams jump on elite talent in draft and expect them to overcome all the obstacles rather than helping them reach higher levels. You definitely need to fall into right coach, team and system that makes the best use of your talent, even if you were elite in college. 

[Matabix]

5 hours ago, twfish said:

I like Mallory, but he is just a vertical threat. His blocking is pretty bad and he's not a physical player at all where as Bowers is.

I read that Bowers is a receiving threat and needs to work on his inline blocking. Mallory does block better than Granson. 

 

I'm all in on getting Bowers, I think MHJ might be too high of a price. Bowers we may need to trade up with the Giants to get him. 

[Defjamz26]

I’ll say this. Even if we did end up drafting Bowers, I’d still take a receiver in the 2nd round. Even if you bring Pittman back. Create competition and make everyone work for targets. If you had an offense that had Bowers, A.D. Mitchell, Pittman, Downs, and Pierce, then the offense would have multiple options. Let the best man win at that point.

[MikeCurtis]

11 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

I’ll say this. Even if we did end up drafting Bowers, I’d still take a receiver in the 2nd round. Even if you bring Pittman back. Create competition and make everyone work for targets. If you had an offense that had Bowers, A.D. Mitchell, Pittman, Downs, and Pierce, then the offense would have multiple options. Let the best man win at that point.

100% agree

 

If we add Bowers and AD Mitchell, (Or Troy Frankin, or Tez Walker, or X Worthy) we would be tough to stop

 

Our defense would still have glaring holes, but our offense could be scary

 

We would HAVE to get LB, DE, in FA

 

There should be some decent FS (Better than what we have today in round 3)

Beau Brade

J Hicks 

 

We MAY have to wait to update CB spot, if we go this path

[MikeCurtis]

8 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

100% agree

 

If we add Bowers and AD Mitchell, (Or Troy Frankin, or Tez Walker, or X Worthy) we would be tough to stop

 

Our defense would still have glaring holes, but our offense could be scary

 

We would HAVE to get LB, DE, in FA

 

There should be some decent FS (Better than what we have today in round 3)

Beau Brade

J Hicks 

duplicate

 

[Hoose]

1 hour ago, MikeCurtis said:

100% agree

 

If we add Bowers and AD Mitchell, (Or Troy Frankin, or Tez Walker, or X Worthy) we would be tough to stop

 

Our defense would still have glaring holes, but our offense could be scary

 

We would HAVE to get LB, DE, in FA

 

There should be some decent FS (Better than what we have today in round 3)

Beau Brade

J Hicks 

 

We MAY have to wait to update CB spot, if we go this path

I’m not as worried about CB as I am about FS. The young CBs improved a lot over the season and Flowers is coming back. 
But a true FS is needed. I’m not sure what’s out there in FA but hopefully some experienced talent can be had. Same at LB. 

[Dark Superman]

God, I'm praying this kid falls to us at 15 because he would be a menace in Steichen's offense.

[boo2202]

Just don’t think he makes it out of top 10 picks. Wonder what it would cost to make the move to pick 9? Chicago could still grab a WR at 15, maybe Thomas. They already have Kmet but have seen several mocks projecting bowers to bears. Bowers would be an unbelievable fit in our offense. 

[Matabix]

If he's there at 9 I hope Ballard pulls the trigger.

Bowers

Josh Allen

Winfield 

are my off season wish list, and they'll impact those around them the most to elevate there game.

Cut MAC

Resign Moore, Stewart, Pitt, Blackmon

After Bowers get Sweat, athletic freak at LB, a late round pass rush specialist, QB, CB, WR(return specialist)and IOL.

 

[MB-ColtsFan]

So I guess everyone thinks Woods won't be healthy this year?  How does Woods compare to Bowers in everyone's mind?

Is Woods a bigger target but slower?  Who blocks better?  Just wondering?

[KB]

24 minutes ago, MB-ColtsFan said:

So I guess everyone thinks Woods won't be healthy this year?  How does Woods compare to Bowers in everyone's mind?

Is Woods a bigger target but slower?  Who blocks better?  Just wondering?

I'm not counting Woods out. I read an article the other day that said his calf issue this season was due to a hip issue. He kept rehabbing and strengthening his calves but wasn't fixing the actual issue in his hip, which is why it took all year. Saying that, I'm also not counting on him. If we have a chance at Bowers I'd say let's take it and hope both reach their ceiling.

 

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2024/01/10/colts-how-jelani-woods-second-season-turned-into-a-redshirt-year/72180591007/

 

Here's the article incase anyone wants it.

[MB-ColtsFan]

2 hours ago, KB said:

I'm not counting Woods out. I read an article the other day that said his calf issue this season was due to a hip issue. He kept rehabbing and strengthening his calves but wasn't fixing the actual issue in his hip, which is why it took all year. Saying that, I'm also not counting on him. If we have a chance at Bowers I'd say let's take it and hope both reach their ceiling.

 

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2024/01/10/colts-how-jelani-woods-second-season-turned-into-a-redshirt-year/72180591007/

 

Here's the article incase anyone wants it.

Thanks for that.  Nice read.

If his problems are solved he will definitely help this offense thrive.  I don't know how you scheme two freakish TE's with AR & JT, but it sure would be nice to have that problem if they somehow get Bowers.

[richard pallo]

I’ll post it here as well.  In an interview with Florio a few days ago at the Super Bowl he asked him which team would he like to play for.  He said the Titans.  Florio goes hear that Titans.  He wants to play for Tennessee.  He didn’t give the standard I don’t care answer.  Interesting.

[Yoshinator]

17 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I’ll post it here as well.  In an interview with Florio a few days ago at the Super Bowl he asked him which team would he like to play for.  He said the Titans.  Florio goes hear that Titans.  He wants to play for Tennessee.  He didn’t give the standard I don’t care answer.  Interesting.

I appreciate his honesty. Nothing worse than playerspeak giving the PC answer. Even though he prefers a rival, I respect him more than most players going through the draft process and interviews.

[Solid84]

9 hours ago, richard pallo said:

I’ll post it here as well.  In an interview with Florio a few days ago at the Super Bowl he asked him which team would he like to play for.  He said the Titans.  Florio goes hear that Titans.  He wants to play for Tennessee.  He didn’t give the standard I don’t care answer.  Interesting.

He wants to play for the team that’s likely to draft him the highest - more mula. 

[Defjamz26]

On 2/3/2024 at 7:11 PM, KB said:

I'm not counting Woods out. I read an article the other day that said his calf issue this season was due to a hip issue. He kept rehabbing and strengthening his calves but wasn't fixing the actual issue in his hip, which is why it took all year. Saying that, I'm also not counting on him. If we have a chance at Bowers I'd say let's take it and hope both reach their ceiling.

 

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2024/01/10/colts-how-jelani-woods-second-season-turned-into-a-redshirt-year/72180591007/

 

Here's the article incase anyone wants it.

Even so, he’s a 3rd round pick who proved nothing. If there is one thing I believe Ballard has learned, is that unless someone comes out and dominates early on, you can’t pass on drafting players who could be better. Although I’m not big on taking TEs in the 1st round, Bowers is a way better player than Woods. Remember that Woods was raw as he was a converted QB his freshman year. 
 

Yes Matt Ryan was bad, but you don’t pass on Bowers because you have Jelani Woods, healthy or not.

[KB]

1 hour ago, Defjamz26 said:

Even so, he’s a 3rd round pick who proved nothing. If there is one thing I believe Ballard has learned, is that unless someone comes out and dominates early on, you can’t pass on drafting players who could be better. Although I’m not big on taking TEs in the 1st round, Bowers is a way better player than Woods. Remember that Woods was raw as he was a converted QB his freshman year. 
 

Yes Matt Ryan was bad, but you don’t pass on Bowers because you have Jelani Woods, healthy or not.

Definitely. That's why I say you grab Bowers and hope that both reach their ceiling. It would be like the new age Hernandez and Grronk.

[richard pallo]

2 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

Even so, he’s a 3rd round pick who proved nothing. If there is one thing I believe Ballard has learned, is that unless someone comes out and dominates early on, you can’t pass on drafting players who could be better. Although I’m not big on taking TEs in the 1st round, Bowers is a way better player than Woods. Remember that Woods was raw as he was a converted QB his freshman year. 
 

Yes Matt Ryan was bad, but you don’t pass on Bowers because you have Jelani Woods, healthy or not.

I would be surprised if Bowers is there when we pick.  He said he would like to play for the Titans and they pick seventh.   They also could use a TE for Levis.  Seems like a perfect match and a good spot for him to be picked.  I would bet the Tennessee media is all over his wishes just like how Colts fans would be if Harrison Jr. came out and said he wanted to play for the Colts.  No guarantees it happens of course but the seed has been planted and they have the need.
 

 

 

[Hoose]

Tenn. desperately needs to rebuild its O-line. There are top OTs for the taking; foundational ones. That’s where they will likely go. I’m not arguing that Bowers will be there at 15; only that Tenn won’t be the team to take him. That said, I’m all in on the guy if he’s available. Right now, the TE position is a dead zone for the Colts with many question marks. Bowers would change that immediately.