A little OT: A Favorite Story…

[NewColtsFan]

I learned about this story a few weeks ago, but saved it for this week because we face Baltimore.  
 

I saw a photo from USA Today:  it’s a picture of the five members of the Ravens QB room.   Three quarterbacks and two coaches.   They’re all African-American.   The Ravens believe they have the first all African-American quarterback room in NFL history.  
 

Because I’m posting from my phone and can’t post links, it’s not here.  Can someone please do me a solid and find that picture of the five men and post it here for all to see?!    It hit me like a ton of bricks and made my heart soar.   
 

If you’ll forgive me a moment on my soapbox, this is an important story for all.  This is how the world changes — slowly.  Too slowly for some, too fast for others.  But it does change, hopefully for the better. 
 

You can search for the picture with this:  USA Today photo:  Baltimore Ravens quarterback room.   
The three QBs are in the middle, the two coaches flank them.   
 

I’d deeply appreciate it appearing in this thread.   My thanks in advance.  
 

NCF

[Fluke_33]

2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

I learned about this story a few weeks ago, but saved it for this week because we face Baltimore.  
 

I saw a photo from USA Today:  it’s a picture of the five members of the Ravens QB room.   Three quarterbacks and two coaches.   They’re all African-American.   The Ravens believe they have the first all African-American quarterback room in NFL history.  
 

Because I’m posting from my phone and can’t post links, it’s not here.  Can someone please do me a solid and find that picture of the five men and post it here for all to see?!    It hit me like a ton of bricks and made my heart soar.   
 

If you’ll forgive me a moment on my soapbox, this is an important story for all.  This is how the world changes — slowly.  Too slowly for some, too fast for others.  But it does change, hopefully for the better. 
 

You can search for the picture with this:  USA Today photo:  Baltimore Ravens quarterback room.   
The three QBs are in the middle, the two coaches flank them.   
 

I’d deeply appreciate it appearing in this thread.   My thanks in advance.  
 

NCF

The racism when it comes to black quarterbacks is so evident and shameful and so very recent.  
 

warren moons treatment is a travesty. Not getting invites to college programs then not getting drafted and plying in the cfl first.  
if he started his career in the nfl we may be talking about him as the best ever.  
 

even in the he 90s Charlie ward wasn’t drafted.  Some said he wasn’t tall enough but yet was tall enough for the nba.  When he was with the knicks we used to say he was the best qb in ny including the pros

[Smonroe]

Owners should want the best player for any position, regardless of race, creed or color.  It’s in their best financial interest.  

 

I’m not sure they have that same mindset when it comes to head coaches.

[Chucklez]

I personally think the league did its 180 on the view of black quarterbacks about a decade ago (maybe even just over), and I think a large portion of it is thanks to players like Mike Vick (surprising that it would be him considering his off the field issues) and Donovan McNabb, to a lesser degree.

I think when Vick came back and played for the Eagles in 2009, there were maybe 4 or 5 black starting quarterbacks? I believe today there are 13, which is damned near half the league.

[coltsfan_canada]

3 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

I learned about this story a few weeks ago, but saved it for this week because we face Baltimore.  
 

I saw a photo from USA Today:  it’s a picture of the five members of the Ravens QB room.   Three quarterbacks and two coaches.   They’re all African-American.   The Ravens believe they have the first all African-American quarterback room in NFL history.  
 

Because I’m posting from my phone and can’t post links, it’s not here.  Can someone please do me a solid and find that picture of the five men and post it here for all to see?!    It hit me like a ton of bricks and made my heart soar.   
 

If you’ll forgive me a moment on my soapbox, this is an important story for all.  This is how the world changes — slowly.  Too slowly for some, too fast for others.  But it does change, hopefully for the better. 
 

You can search for the picture with this:  USA Today photo:  Baltimore Ravens quarterback room.   
The three QBs are in the middle, the two coaches flank them.   
 

I’d deeply appreciate it appearing in this thread.   My thanks in advance.  
 

NCF

 Found this pic I wonder if thats what u were talking about?

[csmopar]

4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

I learned about this story a few weeks ago, but saved it for this week because we face Baltimore.  
 

I saw a photo from USA Today:  it’s a picture of the five members of the Ravens QB room.   Three quarterbacks and two coaches.   They’re all African-American.   The Ravens believe they have the first all African-American quarterback room in NFL history.  
 

Because I’m posting from my phone and can’t post links, it’s not here.  Can someone please do me a solid and find that picture of the five men and post it here for all to see?!    It hit me like a ton of bricks and made my heart soar.   
 

If you’ll forgive me a moment on my soapbox, this is an important story for all.  This is how the world changes — slowly.  Too slowly for some, too fast for others.  But it does change, hopefully for the better. 
 

You can search for the picture with this:  USA Today photo:  Baltimore Ravens quarterback room.   
The three QBs are in the middle, the two coaches flank them.   
 

I’d deeply appreciate it appearing in this thread.   My thanks in advance.  
 

NCF

I’m sorry but as a black man, I find this focus on the color of one’s skin for bragging rights is down right racist. These coaches and players earned their positions by sweat, blood and hard work. To say they’re hired simply because of the color of their skin is demeaning to all that effort and dedication each one showed. 

 

Good for them for having black players and coaches on their roster, but in order to heal the racial divides in this country, we must stop celebrating or promoting racial divides. It’s time to celebrate all Americans, regardless of color, ethnicity or gender. 

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

They’re just people in the NFL to me. 

[NFLfan]

9 minutes ago, csmopar said:

To say they’re hired simply because of the color of their skin

 

I don't think anyone said that.

[Yoshinator]

39 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I’m sorry but as a black man, I find this focus on the color of one’s skin for bragging rights is down right racist. These coaches and players earned their positions by sweat, blood and hard work. To say they’re hired simply because of the color of their skin is demeaning to all that effort and dedication each one showed. 

 

Good for them for having black players and coaches on their roster, but in order to heal the racial divides in this country, we must stop celebrating or promoting racial divides. It’s time to celebrate all Americans, regardless of color, ethnicity or gender. 

Great post @csmopar! This, IMO, is how people should feel, but will get bashed if they have a neutral opinion on it. Nothing irritates me more than hearing "the first" of this race or gender etc... Why can't people just be appreciated for all the hard work they put into climbing the ladder to get to their position? Why do they have to be singled out because of a minority reason? 

 

As you said, it completely demeans the person and causes a divide between groups of people. Especially when one side doesn't get the same treatment because they are the majority, when oddly enough, the other side is the actual majority as far as number of players in the NFL. However, you never hear about a lack of white players in the NFL (especially at positions such as RB and CB). So it's just hypocritical to me as a white man, and frustrating that no one in the media or on TV challenges this position. The only place I see it really happening is on youtube.

 

@NFLfan I'm trying to be very careful in what I say. If you think this post is crossing the line, go ahead and erase it please.

[csmopar]

15 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

I don't think anyone said that.

That is the entire premise of the article. 
 

and this thread 

[NFLfan]

11 minutes ago, csmopar said:

That is the entire premise of the article. 
 

and this thread 

 

If you see it that way, then it is on you. Ignore this thread and go back to Colts-related content. There is lots of content out there.

[Fluke_33]

1 hour ago, csmopar said:

I’m sorry but as a black man, I find this focus on the color of one’s skin for bragging rights is down right racist. These coaches and players earned their positions by sweat, blood and hard work. To say they’re hired simply because of the color of their skin is demeaning to all that effort and dedication each one showed. 

 

Good for them for having black players and coaches on their roster, but in order to heal the racial divides in this country, we must stop celebrating or promoting racial divides. It’s time to celebrate all Americans, regardless of color, ethnicity or gender. 

I see this as the opposite.  That the league is no longer focusing on skin color as they used to. It definitely used to.   As i said in my post, the racism is blatant and very recent.   

 

I get your point though on the first this or the first that.  

[RollerColt]

I definitely feel the changes are melding the league in a good way. Skin color is no longer that big of an issue. The barrier was broken with Doug Williams, and then again with Tony Dungy. 

 

I think we're mostly at the point to where a majority of people don't even see the skin color nor care. They celebrate the individual. There are so many legendary players from all backgrounds. 

[Fluke_33]

2 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I made my post above with the knowledge that some here would invite others who see it differently than how we're "supposed to see it" to not participate.  It didn't take very long. 

you didn't say anything though.

 

The forum is for different points of view, isn't it?  It's the only way to exchange ideas and maybe see things differently.  That is a good thing, I think.  (And i mean no matter what your position is.)

[Fluke_33]

1 hour ago, csmopar said:

as a black man

A little hypocritical to open your statement with that, no?  lol   I'm being a little cheeky here.

[VikingsFanInChennai]

1 hour ago, csmopar said:

I’m sorry but as a black man, I find this focus on the color of one’s skin for bragging rights is down right racist. These coaches and players earned their positions by sweat, blood and hard work. To say they’re hired simply because of the color of their skin is demeaning to all that effort and dedication each one showed. 

 

Good for them for having black players and coaches on their roster, but in order to heal the racial divides in this country, we must stop celebrating or promoting racial divides. It’s time to celebrate all Americans, regardless of color, ethnicity or gender. 

I think the article's premise is that these 5 guys have earned their place through hardwork and dedication in their career probably since high school and are in NFL,  in the same QB room of a franchise.

 

That this might be the first time it has happened is a news, because if it's the first time it has happened ever in an NFL QB room, you know how rare it used to be to come closer to that in the past and how times have changed.

 

I think the rarity is because the coaches and backups are also African American, that shows how these coaches have arisen through ranks by merit and how many African American have taken their career to be QBs, that there are not only starters but many backup QBs in the league. 

 

The irony is the story goes to show it's becoming common, but it's still the first time to see them all together this season in an NFL QB room. 

[DougDew]

2 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

you didn't say anything though.

 

The forum is for different points of view, isn't it?  It's the only way to exchange ideas and maybe see things differently.  That is a good thing, I think.  (And i mean no matter what your position is.)

I essentially said that I think the OP worded the thread with the idea that there is an accepted "proper" way to see the issue.  When the issue is just a matter of any person's opinion.

 

As far as my opinion of the issue, I'm pretty indifferent.

[Fluke_33]

Just now, DougDew said:

I essentially said that I think the OP worded the thread with the idea that there is an accepted "proper" way to see the issue.  When the issue is just a matter of any person's opinion.

 

As far as my opinion of the issue, I'm pretty indifferent.

 

That is fair.  I thought you were saying we shouldn't discuss it for fear of being outcast.

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, Fluke_33 said:

A little hypocritical to open your statement with that, no?  lol   I'm being a little cheeky here.

Perhaps so. But in cases like this, I’m forced to preface it like that or people immediately get wound up. I don’t like it but sometimes, it has to be done to make the point.

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, Fluke_33 said:

you didn't say anything though.

 

The forum is for different points of view, isn't it?  It's the only way to exchange ideas and maybe see things differently.  That is a good thing, I think.  (And i mean no matter what your position is.)

Scroll up a few posts and you’ll see why he made that post. some opinions just are more welcome than others. Which is fine. 

[Fluke_33]

15 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Perhaps so. But in cases like this, I’m forced to preface it like that or people immediately get wound up. I don’t like it but sometimes, it has to be done to make the point.

 

I know.  I was just messing with you.  I bet you appreciated that one on some level at least.

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 hours ago, Fluke_33 said:

The racism when it comes to black quarterbacks is so evident and shameful and so very recent.  
 

warren moons treatment is a travesty. Not getting invites to college programs then not getting drafted and plying in the cfl first.  
if he started his career in the nfl we may be talking about him as the best ever.  
 

even in the he 90s Charlie ward wasn’t drafted.  Some said he wasn’t tall enough but yet was tall enough for the nba.  When he was with the knicks we used to say he was the best qb in ny including the pros

It was strange watching him play for the Knicks because I always thought of him as a football player/QB. I think in todays game, Tommie Frazier would have been drafted, maybe not 1st round but I would say 2nd or 3rd round. He was the best option QB ever and was fast/could run and he could dink and dunk with good accuracy. He led the Huskers to back to back Championships in 1994 and 1995. 

[NewColtsFan]

3 hours ago, coltsfan_canada said:

 Found this pic I wonder if thats what u were talking about?

 

BOOM!!    Here it is!!       

 

Thank you so much!!          

 

[Fluke_33]

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

It was strange watching him play for the Knicks because I always thought of him as a football player/QB. I think in todays game, Tommie Frazier would have been drafted, maybe not 1st round but I would say 2nd or 3rd round. He was the best option QB ever and was fast/could run and he could dink and dunk with good accuracy. He led the Huskers to back to back Championships in 1994 and 1995. 

 

I was already a colts fan but the jets and giants fans would always say he was better than their qbs.  Browning Nagle was one  iirc.  lol

[csmopar]

10 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

 

I know.  I was just messing with you.  I bet you appreciated that one on some level at least.

I did actually. Made me chuckle. 

[NFLfan]

8 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

 

I was already a colts fan but the jets and giants fans would always say he was better than their qbs.  Browning Nagle was one  iirc.  lol

 

I remember. They used to say that the best QB in NY played for the Knicks. People were being facetious. It just spoke to poor QB play in NY/NJ at the time.

[Fluke_33]

1 minute ago, NFLfan said:

 

I remember. They used to say that the best QB played for the Knicks. People were being facetious. It just spoke to poor QB play in NY at the time.

 

I know. it was funny.  kind of like Felipe Lopez being the best basketball player in NY when he was in High School.   All in good fun.

[NFLfan]

Just now, Fluke_33 said:

 

I know. it was funny.  kind of like Felipe Lopez being the best basketball player in NY when he was in High School.   All in good fun.

 

Yep. I remember those days. Gosh, I am not a kid anymore. Lol.

[Fluke_33]

1 minute ago, NFLfan said:

 

Yep. I remember those days. Gosh, I am not a kid anymore. Lol.

 

I tell people that i may be old but i make up for it by being very immature.  lol.

[2006Coltsbestever]

I think race is less of an issue now regarding the NFL. There are a lot of black QB's today and good ones. 30 years ago it wasn't like that. Had Charlie Ward and Tommie Frazier been in this draft with their college accomplishments, they would have gone high - not sure where. Neither got drafted. 

 

I am a person that doesn't see color and dislike these conversations simply because some people get offended by what you may say. I would just start the best person for the job. Mahomes and Jackson are incredible and deserve to be starting QB's based on just being great not the color of their skin.

[NewColtsFan]

3 hours ago, csmopar said:

I’m sorry but as a black man, I find this focus on the color of one’s skin for bragging rights is down right racist. These coaches and players earned their positions by sweat, blood and hard work. To say they’re hired simply because of the color of their skin is demeaning to all that effort and dedication each one showed. 

 

Good for them for having black players and coaches on their roster, but in order to heal the racial divides in this country, we must stop celebrating or promoting racial divides. It’s time to celebrate all Americans, regardless of color, ethnicity or gender. 

Who said anything about these men being hired because of their skin color and not because of their achievement?    Who?

 

Not me.   Not the Ravens.   
 

We are celebrating their achievement,  their hard work,  NOT anything else. 
 

Of course these men earned what they have by their work, their blood, and their achievement.   That’s what inspired me.  That’s what inspired Baltimore to promote this story.   I agree with you.  The Ravens agree with you.  
 

In another post of yours in this thread,  you referenced an article.   I’m asking you, what article?   All I asked about was a picture, which someone has now been kind enough to post.   The photo inspired me for all the right reasons.   If you read something you didn’t like, I’m sorry.   That was 100 percent NOT my intention.  
 

I’ll wait for you to respond before I say anything else.   

[VikingsFanInChennai]

40 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

 

I tell people that i may be old but i make up for it by being very immature.  lol.

I'm gonna remember this quote for the rest of my life as I get more immature 

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, Fluke_33 said:

 

I tell people that i may be old but i make up for it by being very immature.  lol.

You’re old?    Really?   I wouldn’t have guessed that?   

 

May I ask how old? 

[Fluke_33]

10 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

You’re old?    Really?   I wouldn’t have guessed that?   

 

May I ask how old? 

Not super old but on my way.  54. 

[NFLfan]

Just now, Fluke_33 said:

Not super old but on my way.  54. 

 

We probably know each other. Lol.

[NewColtsFan]

3 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

Not super old but on my way.  54. 

Interesting….  I had always guessed you were in your 30’s.   I’m clearly off.   
 

And you’re correct, you’re NOT super old.  But the years do go faster on the far side of 50’s.  

[Fluke_33]

2 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

We probably know each other. Lol.

 

I've wondered that.   Our circles are close.  could have easily run into each other somewhere.  it would be funny

[Fluke_33]

3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Interesting….  I had always guessed you were in your 30’s.   I’m clearly off.   
 

And you’re correct, you’re NOT super old.  But the years do go faster on the far side of 50’s.  

 

I wish i was in my thirties, at least physically!

[NewColtsFan]

2 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

 

I wish i was in my thirties, at least physically!

You and me both!    Most weeks I don’t feel 66.      And I laugh at those here who think that’s old….     

[NewColtsFan]

4 hours ago, csmopar said:

That is the entire premise of the article. 
 

and this thread 

What article?    
 

I think you badly misinterpreted everything I wrote.