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Noteable Pryor got first team snaps today at LT. Will be interesting if he solidifies that and of Rainmann even gets a chance. Because it’s important for the starter to get the most snaps possible. No mention of RG but assume it was Pinter. Looks like they are trying Frodd at center in case Pinter wins that RG spot. 

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33 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Apparently he is even pushing off on that ankle and has his explosion back too. One of the media guys was raving about that. I think he talked about that in his presser.

 

There is another player on another team who tore his Achilles around the same time and is back. Players are recovering quicker from ACL and Achilles these days with so much medical technology.

 

Players recovering quickly from Achilles injuries is still new, but it seems like it's trending toward a faster recovery. Still, Blackmon is basically at 9 months right now, and appears to be 100%. I guess we'll see how he holds up to back to back practices and contact and whatnot, but right now he's setting a new pace for full recovery from this injury.

 

And that's after bouncing back quickly from the ACL tear. I'm thinking he's genetically blessed. Which, like GC8818 said, is a welcome change from what we usually see from Colts players. 

 

Knock on wood...

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25 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Here is a closer look at the pierce catch.

 

 

That video is not a good look for Moore.  Why is the supposed best slot corner in football giving up that much separation at the top of the route to a rookie receiver?  In the video, Moore is basically running next to Pierce and watching Ryan.  A second later Pierce makes the catch and Moore is about 7 yards away (lost).  Saw that happen a lot last year…  Is it just rust?  I know I’m probably nitpicking.  But despite the pro bowl nod, Moore still has a lot yet to prove imo.  

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23 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Players recovering quickly from Achilles injuries is still new, but it seems like it's trending toward a faster recovery. Still, Blackmon is basically at 9 months right now, and appears to be 100%. I guess we'll see how he holds up to back to back practices and contact and whatnot, but right now he's setting a new pace for full recovery from this injury.

 

And that's after bouncing back quickly from the ACL tear. I'm thinking he's genetically blessed. Which, like GC8818 said, is a welcome change from what we usually see from Colts players. 

 

Knock on wood...

I heard a sports medical specialist one day say it won’t be long and Achilles injury will only be 4 months. That’s the direction it is trending. 

1 minute ago, Smoke317 said:

That video is not a good look for Moore.  Why is the supposed best slot corner in football giving up that much separation at the top of the route to a rookie receiver?  In the video, Moore is basically running next to Pierce and watching Ryan.  A second later Pierce makes the catch and Moore is about 7 yards away (lost).  Saw that happen a lot last year…  Is it just rust?  I know I’m probably nitpicking.  But despite the pro bowl nod, Moore still has a lot yet to prove imo.  

Those defensive guys are not going full speed. 

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2 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

I heard a sports medical specialist one day say it won’t be long and Achilles injury will only be 4 months. That’s the direction it is trending. 

Those defensive guys are not going full speed. 

Blackmon looked full speed when he broke up that throw to Campbell.  I’m probably just being hard on Kenny.  I was very disappointed with his play last season.  Felt like Hard Knocks, the pro bowl, & his newfound stardom went to his head.  I saw the same thing with Paul George & Oladipo with the Pacers.  I hope he’s still got the grind in him. 

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5 minutes ago, Smoke317 said:

Blackmon looked full speed when he broke up that throw to Campbell.  I’m probably just being hard on Kenny.  I was very disappointed with his play last season.  Felt like Hard Knocks, the pro bowl, & his newfound stardom went to his head.  I saw the same thing with Paul George & Oladipo with the Pacers.  I hope he’s still got the grind in him. 

Most of the time in these early practices they are giving up on the play and not fully pursuing it. I think it’s pretty clear when watching a video of practice. It just seems that way.

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13 minutes ago, Smoke317 said:

That video is not a good look for Moore.  Why is the supposed best slot corner in football giving up that much separation at the top of the route to a rookie receiver?  In the video, Moore is basically running next to Pierce and watching Ryan.  A second later Pierce makes the catch and Moore is about 7 yards away (lost).  Saw that happen a lot last year…  Is it just rust?  I know I’m probably nitpicking.  But despite the pro bowl nod, Moore still has a lot yet to prove imo.  

 

Defense isn't really the main focus in these drills. Everything is half speed.

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1 hour ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

We changed DC. That’s why I have good feeling. Eberflus ruined our pass rush. No we aren’t loaded with DE that can play that LEO. Ben and Yannick that’s about it. We are actually a little thin at DE. We 


We can agree to disagree on this one, The Leo position is to be designated to your most outstanding pass rusher the whole point of that position is for the 1 technique to protect your Leo giving him more one on one opportunity’s to create havoc. If you ask my opinion Kwity is far more suited to be a Leo than Banogu is. So I can see Kwity being rotated or slide in to take over at Leo and someone replacing him at the 6-tech position to give Yannick a breather. Unless you’re telling me that Banogu has somehow become a pure polished pass rusher, than I will stand corrected. 

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27 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Defense isn't really the main focus in these drills. Everything is half speed.

Unfortunately that seemed like the case with Kenny Moore last year.  Lack of focus and playing half speed.  I guess I still can’t get over him basically letting Kupp run free on 3rd and mid the drive after we had just picked Stafford.  Stafford was coming unhinged.  We get off the field and maybe we keep momentum and Stafford continues to spiral.  Instead Kenny gave up like 3 straight chunk plays to Kupp and a TD with virtually no resistance. That theme repeated itself the rest of that game and most of the season.

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From this angle, it was an amazing play by Cross. Batted it and still got the diving pick. He turned a good play to a great play.


He had plays like that in his tape too. Everyone immediately pegged him as a SS but his range was apparent in college, and this play is on par with that. I think the Colts got a steal here. He ain’t Clayton Geathers. The guy can cover and hit.

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Unfortunately that seemed like the case with Kenny Moore last year.  Lack of focus and playing half speed.  I guess I still can’t get over him basically letting Kupp run free on 3rd and mid the drive after we had just picked Stafford.  Stafford was coming unhinged.  We get off the field and maybe we keep momentum and Stafford continues to spiral.  Instead Kenny gave up like 3 straight chunk plays to Kupp and a TD with virtually no resistance. That theme repeated itself the rest of that game and most of the season.

 

Kupp was killing all DBs last year. That's not exactly a fair evaluation. Now you wanna get mad about the Jags game, I'm with you.

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48 minutes ago, Smoke317 said:

That video is not a good look for Moore.  Why is the supposed best slot corner in football giving up that much separation at the top of the route to a rookie receiver?  In the video, Moore is basically running next to Pierce and watching Ryan.  A second later Pierce makes the catch and Moore is about 7 yards away (lost).  Saw that happen a lot last year…  Is it just rust?  I know I’m probably nitpicking.  But despite the pro bowl nod, Moore still has a lot yet to prove imo.  

He didn't finish the season strong. I bet Ballard does nothing with us contract. 

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Kupp was killing all DBs last year. That's not exactly a fair evaluation. Now you wanna get mad about the Jags game, I'm with you.

I think Kupp is good, however, I bet a lot of his numbers are by play design than by overall talent. Like I said he is a vg reciever. Do I think he would put up too numbers on another team? Nope.

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19 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I think Kupp is good, however, I bet a lot of his numbers are by play design than by overall talent. Like I said he is a vg reciever. Do I think he would put up too numbers on another team? Nope.

 

Not sure how you can justify that after the season he just had capped with being super bowl MVP

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Not sure how you can justify that after the season he just had capped with being super bowl MVP

I do think he is vg. I  have watched him play and yes he has out played where he was drafted. So do  I think he is a good as his 1800 yards?  No. I  think he has a great play designer that gets him open. I would easily take him. I just don't put  him on the level of the Hill, Chase and other supremely talented wrs who get open regardless of play design and purely on talent. That's all i am saying. 

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I do think he is vg. I  have watched him play and yes he has out played where he was drafted. So do  I think he is a good as his 1800 yards?  No. I  think he has a great play designer that gets him open. I would easily take him. I just don't put  him on the level of the Hill, Chase and other supremely talented wrs who get open regardless of play design and purely on talent. That's all i am saying. 

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't believe play scheme is the main reason Kupp went off. Even with Goff throwing him the ball, he was productive.

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Just now, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

And you don’t think Reich is a good play designer?

Yea. I think Reich is veey under rated by this board. I hold him as having more value to the Colts then Ballard. I would rate Kupp over Pittman. I am not a huge Pittman fan as a #1. I think he is a very good #2 and there is nothing wrong with that. He was drafted in the 2nd round and that's what I think the Colts thought he would b and it has worked out.

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We'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't believe play scheme is the main reason Kupp went off. Even with Goff throwing him the ball, he was productive.

For sure. I would put  Kupp up there. However if  u offered me any wr right now to take as my #1, it would not be him. Probably a dozen  guys I may take before him. 

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Kupp was killing all DBs last year. That's not exactly a fair evaluation. Now you wanna get mad about the Jags game, I'm with you.

Kupp is a beast. But I thought Kenny was too?  3rd and mid.  You know Stafford is rattled.  Who else is going to go to besides Kupp?  He basically stood flat footed and let Kupp run a 5 yard out.  Eyes locked on Stafford.  Never even looked at Kupp (lined up across from him) or tried to put hands on him.  5 yard out and Kupp gets 10 yards of separation and scampers for 20 more and the comeback is on.  
 

And just like in that video, Moore was lost (not even in the screen when the catch was made).  Renfro ate him alive in the Raiders game too.  There was a reason he was the most targeted DB in the league and gave up the most catches.  He’s on my ShOt List this year and got the nerve to ask for a new contract with 2 years remaining.  He’s got some proving to do imo. 

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8 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Yea. I think Reich is veey under rated by this board. I hold him as having more value to the Colts then Ballard. I would rate Kupp over Pittman. I am not a huge Pittman fan as a #1. I think he is a very good #2 and there is nothing wrong with that. He was drafted in the 2nd round and that's what I think the Colts thought he would b and it has worked out.

I think we are going to see Pittman take that next step because he has a QB that can hit those crossers. Ones that he was very good at with Rivers. Then he has added the jump ball stuff. Wentz couldn’t read the middle of the field well and hit those crossers. Pittman is very good at YAC when he runs those. I am excited to see all of the crossers back. Typically when you have speed those can’t be stopped. Colts do have speed on offense. Those crossers will be hit in stride where the receiver doesn’t have to stop . I don’t get into who is a one or two. You just need two studs so one of them isn’t shut down so easily. Hopefully that will become pierce or Campbell will stay healthy. 
 

this may shock some but I think Hines might have second most receiving yards this year.

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It is great to see the beginning of what could be a great season for the Colts.  Big thanks to those who posted the day one videos, I watched every one of them. I know its only day one, but it is exciting to see a quarterback with a quick release and pre-snap decision making. The defense is operating more on positioning/assignments at this early install, than final product obliteration, but that will come. There are some legit NFL top playmakers on this team, and promising newbies that can join their more proven stars as a formidable power this season and beyond.

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43 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

He didn't finish the season strong. I bet Ballard does nothing with us contract. 


He shouldn’t Kenny has 2 years remaining,  and we have to remember when he got his big pay day he was the highest paid Slot CB in the entire league. I get he wants to be paid as a true number 1 Corner but lets be real his skillset is better suited in the slot. As a perimeter defender his performance tapers off. Also the market reset so if they gave in and gave him a new deal he would be significantly overpaid. 

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He shouldn’t Kenny has 2 years remaining,  and we have to remember when he got his big pay day he was the highest paid Slot CB in the entire league. I get he wants to be paid as a true number 1 Corner but lets be real his skillset is better suited in the slot. As a perimeter defender his performance tapers off. Also the market reset so if they gave in and gave him a new deal he would be significantly overpaid. 

I think his play this season will determine an extension next offseason.....or a "let it play out and we'll see". 

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