Why People Try To Knock Andrew Luck

[UndecidedFrog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zrcrbUkYZo

[CR91]

i remember something joe montana said about driving the ball. he said i dont throw darts at balloons i throw balloons at dirts.

[ruksak]

"I saw John Elway in high school and he was better than Luck then".

It's always good when a guy gets his bias out in the open right off the bat so we know not to listen to him. What a tool.

[jvan1973]

"I saw John Elway in high school and he was better than Luck then".

It's always good when a guy gets his bias out in the open right off the bat so we know not to listen to him. What a tool.

I agree, but Mel didnt correct him either.. Elway must have been incredible in high school

[chad72]

Like I said, all Luck needs to do is pull an Aaron Rodgers. No talking off the field, do all the talking on the field, that will silence every possible critic. I cannot wait for the first pass he throws as a Colt. What are the odds that it will be for Reggie Wayne?

Let them have this conversation 10 years down the road. Do analysts ever come back and eat crow?

[Jules]

Like I said, all Luck needs to do is pull an Aaron Rodgers. No talking off the field, do all the talking on the field, that will silence every possible critic. I cannot wait for the first pass he throws as a Colt. What are the odds that it will be for Reggie Wayne?

Let them have this conversation 10 years down the road. Do analysts ever come back and eat crow?

So far Luck has said all the right things for me.

With Griffin I was a bit turned off hearing he would not mind sitting behind Manning though. Personally, I want my guy to want to start from day 1 and want to be the leader of the team if he is drafted first overall.

[The Peytonator]

No offense to you frog, but I'm not even going to watch it.....it has Trent Dilpher.

I'd make for a better QB analyst than that guy.

[UndecidedFrog]

No offense to you frog, but I'm not even going to watch it.....it has Trent Dilpher.

I'd make for a better QB analyst than that guy.

What I thought was most insightful was Mort's comment that he sees Luck as a franchise QB.

[Jules]

What I thought was most insightful was Mort's comment that he sees Luck as a franchise QB.

I am not even a big fan of college football and it gets a lot to grab my attention to an individual player. I did start watch Stanford starting last season early on. I was drawn to him immediately and even went as far as to say I would let Manning go for the kid and some blasted me then.

BTW it always seemed kinda like destiny to me.

L ck

[ruksak]

What I thought was most insightful was Mort's comment that he sees Luck as a franchise QB.

A true revelation only conceivable from the brightest of sports journalist minds.

[The Peytonator]

What I thought was most insightful was Mort's comment that he sees Luck as a franchise QB.

If I would have watched it, I'm sure I would agree....

Althought that's not exactly 'insightful'.

That's like saying Peyton Manning will go down as a top 10 QB of all time.

[Fx Stryker]

I don't understand why they spout his college statistics. That has nothing to do with the NFL. I've only watched two college QBs. Chris Leak and Tim Tebow. They had, respectively, 61% completion and 66% completion. One didn't succeed in the NFL, and the other is, well we are waiting.

[UndecidedFrog]

I don't understand why they spout his college statistics. That has nothing to do with the NFL. I've only watched two college QBs. Chris Leak and Tim Tebow. They had, respectively, 61% completion and 66% completion. One didn't succeed in the NFL, and the other is, well we are waiting.

It may be because, as NFL draft prospects, they don't have any NFL statistics yet.

[UndecidedFrog]

A true revelation only conceivable from the brightest of sports journalist minds.

LOL, whereas many analysts came to that realization early on, it took a while for Mort to get on board.

[UndecidedFrog]

If I would have watched it, I'm sure I would agree....

Althought that's not exactly 'insightful'.

That's like saying Peyton Manning will go down as a top 10 QB of all time.

. You would be surprised that there are still some Colts fans who doubt this insight.

[Fx Stryker]

It may be because, as NFL draft prospects, they don't have any NFL statistics yet.

Well college ball and the NFL are completely different. What they did has no effect. You can only base you can give them is through evaluation. Stats hold no value. Luck is a going to do goood, I hope. He still has a flutter ball though.

[UndecidedFrog]

Well college ball and the NFL are completely different. What they did has no effect. You can only base you can give them. Stats hold no value. Luck is a going to do goood, I hope. He still has a flutter ball though.

Yes, college football and NFL football are different. However, I think to pretend that college football players are all the same coming into the pro level is naive. I contend that an accurate passer at the college level will tend more to be an accurate passer at the pro level, moreso than an inaccurate passer at the college level.

[Fx Stryker]

Yes, college football and NFL football are different. However, I think to pretend that college football players are all the same coming into the pro level is naive. I contend that an accurate passer at the college level will tend more to be an accurate passer at the pro level, moreso than an inaccurate passer at the college level.

Ever QB in college tends to have in the 60 percent range. So there isn't many inaccurate passers at the college level.

[schwamm]

Well college ball and the NFL are completely different. What they did has no effect. You can only base you can give them is through evaluation. Stats hold no value. Luck is a going to do goood, I hope. He still has a flutter ball though.

Wasn't Manning known for his flutter ball too?

[UndecidedFrog]

Ever QB in college tends to have in the 60 percent range. So there isn't many inaccurate passers at the college level.

Andrew Luck completion percentages:

2009: 56.3%

2010: 70.7%

2011: 71.3%

RG3 completion percentages:

2008: 59.9%

2010: 67.0%

2011: 72.4%

Ryan Tannehill completion percentages:

2010: 65.0%

2011: 61.6%

John Elway completion percentages (at Stanford):

1979: 52.1%

1980: 65.4%

1981: 58.5%

1982: 64.7%

Peyton Manning completion percentages (at Tennessee):

1994: 61.8%

1995: 64.2%

1996: 63.9%

1997: 60.2%

[Fx Stryker]

Wasn't Manning known for his flutter ball too?

I was 6 in '98. So anything other than game day I can't say.

Andrew Luck completion percentages:

2009: 56.3%

2010: 70.7%

2011: 71.3%

RG3 completion percentages:

2008: 59.9%

2010: 67.0%

2011: 72.4%

Ryan Tannehill completion percentages:

2010: 65.0%

2011: 61.6%

John Elway completion percentages (at Stanford):

1979: 52.1%

1980: 65.4%

1981: 58.5%

1982: 64.7%

Peyton Manning completion percentages (at Tennessee):

1994: 61.8%

1995: 64.2%

1996: 63.9%

1997: 60.2%

Like I said. Near the 60s.

[UndecidedFrog]

Like I said. Near the 60s.

Notice Luck's completion percentages the last 2 years?

Notice RG3's completion percentage last year?

I think this is something that sets them apart from the rest.

[Fx Stryker]

Notice Luck's completion percentages the last 2 years?

Notice RG3's completion percentage last year?

I think this is something that sets them apart from the rest.

So you are saying RG3 and Luck are better than Manning and Elway because they completed more passes? It wont be in the 70s next year you can count on that.

[UndecidedFrog]

So you are saying RG3 and Luck are better than Manning and Elway because they completed more passes? It wont be in the 70s next year you can count on that.

Nope, I am saying that coming out of college, Luck and RG3 were more accurate than Manning or Elway. Apples to apples. College stats to college stats. NFL draft prospect to NFL draft prospect.

[jvan1973]

Notice Luck's completion percentages the last 2 years?

Notice RG3's completion percentage last year?

I think this is something that sets them apart from the rest.

The odds of either of them being among the best QB's of all time is slim. We shall see, but college completion percentage does not translate into greatness in the NFL.

[UndecidedFrog]

The odds of either of them being among the best QB's of all time is slim. We shall see, but college completion percentage does not translate into greatness in the NFL.

The odds of any NFL draft prospect being among the best of all time is slim. However, the odds get better the higher they are rated.

Yes, college completion percentages does not translate into greatness in the NFL, and I did not mean to try to equate that.

There are many many more factors that go into determination of greatness (at any level).

[Fx Stryker]

Nope, I am saying that coming out of college, Luck and RG3 were more accurate than Manning or Elway. Apples to apples. College stats to college stats. NFL draft prospect to NFL draft prospect.

Better completion doesn't translate into more accurate.

[FireJimCaldwell]

The way the game of football has changed even at the high school/college level to try to compare the 80's & 90's to 2000's to now is a little weak. Most certainly isn't apples to apples..

The implementation of the Run & Shoot, WCO and the spread offense into the college game have grossly exaggerated completion %'s.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-cmp-pct-player-career.html

Minimum 700 pass attempts  From 2000 to 2011 minimu of 700 attempts.  Only 1 out of the top 20 is a legitimate NFL QB and that is Matt Schaub.  A couple with some years to prove whether they are legitimate or not.
Rank Player Pct From To Last School
1. Colt Brennan 70.39 2005 2007 Hawaii
2. Colt McCoy 70.33 2006 2009 Texas
3. Graham Harrell 69.80 2005 2008 Texas Tech
4. Kellen Moore 69.78 2008 2011 Boise State
5. Brandon Weeden 69.51 2008 2011 Oklahoma State
6. Chase Holbrook 69.41 2006 2008 New Mexico State
7. Case Keenum 69.36 2007 2011 Houston
8. Bruce Gradkowski 68.21 2002 2005 Toledo
9. Chase Daniel 67.99 2005 2008 Missouri
10. Sam Bradford 67.64 2007 2009 Oklahoma
11. Robert Griffin III 67.11 2008 2011 Baylor
12. Andrew Luck 67.01 2009 2011 Stanford
13. Matt Schaub 66.98 2000 2003 Virginia
14. Riley Skinner 66.94 2006 2009 Wake Forest
15. Nick Foles 66.86 2007 2011 Arizona
16. Tim Tebow 66.43 2006 2009 Florida
17. Dan Lefevour 66.42 2006 2009 Central Michigan
18. Taylor Potts 66.27 2007 2010 Texas Tech
19. Brian Johnson 66.17 2004 2008 Utah
20. Kliff Kingsbury 66.01 1999 2002 Texas Tech

[number28]

why do soldiers knock greenies in the army? why do prisoners knock new prisoners?

Andrew Luck can't just come in here and get instant respect. He has to earn it. Until then he is just a basic rookie like everyone else.

[Smitto]

why do soldiers knock greenies in the army? why do prisoners knock new prisoners?

Andrew Luck can't just come in here and get instant respect. He has to earn it. Until then he is just a basic rookie like everyone else.

You'd think some ppl are gonna die of depression if luck fails expectations on here lol.

[UndecidedFrog]

The way the game of football has changed even at the high school/college level to try to compare the 80's & 90's to 2000's to now is a little weak. Most certainly isn't apples to apples..

The implementation of the Run & Shoot, WCO and the spread offense into the college game have grossly exaggerated completion %'s.

http://www.sports-re...yer-career.html

Minimum 700 pass attempts  From 2000 to 2011 minimu of 700 attempts.  Only 1 out of the top 20 is a legitimate NFL QB and that is Matt Schaub.  A couple with some years to prove whether they are legitimate or not.
Rank Player Pct From To Last School
1. Colt Brennan 70.39 2005 2007 Hawaii
2. Colt McCoy 70.33 2006 2009 Texas
3. Graham Harrell 69.80 2005 2008 Texas Tech
4. Kellen Moore 69.78 2008 2011 Boise State
5. Brandon Weeden 69.51 2008 2011 Oklahoma State
6. Chase Holbrook 69.41 2006 2008 New Mexico State
7. Case Keenum 69.36 2007 2011 Houston
8. Bruce Gradkowski 68.21 2002 2005 Toledo
9. Chase Daniel 67.99 2005 2008 Missouri
10. Sam Bradford 67.64 2007 2009 Oklahoma
11. Robert Griffin III 67.11 2008 2011 Baylor
12. Andrew Luck 67.01 2009 2011 Stanford
13. Matt Schaub 66.98 2000 2003 Virginia
14. Riley Skinner 66.94 2006 2009 Wake Forest
15. Nick Foles 66.86 2007 2011 Arizona
16. Tim Tebow 66.43 2006 2009 Florida
17. Dan Lefevour 66.42 2006 2009 Central Michigan
18. Taylor Potts 66.27 2007 2010 Texas Tech
19. Brian Johnson 66.17 2004 2008 Utah
20. Kliff Kingsbury 66.01 1999 2002 Texas Tech

And out of all those 20 college QBs, how many ran a pro-style offense?

[RGIII]

Notice Luck's completion percentages the last 2 years?

Notice RG3's completion percentage last year?

I think this is something that sets them apart from the rest.

No it does not. If you want to make a true apples to apples comparison you have to account for the evolution of the passing game over the last 10-20 years. Completion percentages have been on the rise for every NFL and college QB over that time.

[FireJimCaldwell]

And out of all those 20 college QBs, how many ran a pro-style offense?

That's the point, the vast majority have inflated #'s due to a Spread, Run & Shoot or a West Coast Offense.

[UndecidedFrog]

That's the point, the vast majority have inflated #'s due to a Spread, Run & Shoot or a West Coast Offense.

If it is the point, can you please answer my question?

Of the 20 college QBs, how many ran a pro-style offense?

[FireJimCaldwell]

If it is the point, can you please answer my question?

Of the 20 college QBs, how many ran a pro-style offense?

Schaub is the only one that runs anything close in the pros that he ran in College. Arians isn't a WCO guy so Luck isn't going to be in the same system, so again pretty much all of them have an inflated cmp% due to the system they ran in college(Spread, R&S, or WCO).

[UndecidedFrog]

Schaub is the only one that runs anything close in the pros that he ran in College. Arians isn't a WCO guy so Luck isn't going to be in the same system, so again pretty much all of them have an inflated cmp% due to the system they ran in college(Spread, R&S, or WCO).

I would disagree. I think Luck ran a pro-style offense in college.

[FireJimCaldwell]

double post

[FireJimCaldwell]

I would disagree. I think Luck ran a pro-style offense in college.

Luck ran a WCO in college, and won't be running one in the NFL. hence his #'s were inflated by the system he ran in college just like the others.

[UndecidedFrog]

double post

That wasn't the question I asked.

I asked how many of the 20 college QBs you listed ran a pro-style offense in college?

[UndecidedFrog]

Luck ran a WCO in college, and won't be running one in the NFL. hence his #'s were inflated by the system he ran in college just like the others.

I disagree.

Luck operated the offense based on what Jim Harbaugh installed, which is almost identical to what is installed now with the 49ers.

Luck ran a pro-style offense based on the power run, and play action off that.

Given that his offense was run first, his passing numbers are all the more impressive.