1070's Post Draft/Rookie Camp Depth Chart

[EastStreet]

Like the first sentence, it will change, and change a lot, but found some of their comments interesting.

https://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/kevins-corner/colts-coverage/colts-depth-chart-look-after-2019-nfl-draft

 

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INDIANAPOLIS – It will change, and change a lot in the coming months.

 

The Colts have their first 90-man roster of 2019 and that will group will take part in 11-on-11 sessions later this month as the competition ramps up.

 

With veterans and rookies beginning to participate later this month in full team settings, let’s take a glance at a possible depth chart this spring.

 

Here is a look at an early depth chart, with some educated guesses on where guys might be right now:

 

OFFENSIVE DEPTH CHART

 

Quarterbacks: Andrew Luck, Jacoby Brissett, Phillip Walker

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Brissett will be the backup to Luck for a third straight year.

 

Running Backs: Marlon Mack, Nyheim Hines, Jordan Wilkins, Spencer Ware, Jonathan Williams

 

Bowen’s Analysis: For now, we will place Ware behind Wilkins. If Ware can prove his health though, he’s going to have a great shot at moving up the depth chart and possibly being the ‘backup’ to Mack, with Hines filling more of the gadget role.

 

Wide Receiver: T.Y. Hilton, Parris Campbell*, Chester Rogers, Marcus Johnson, Steve Ishmael, Penny Hart*

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Even with Ryan Grant and Dontrelle Inman gone, there’s some teeth to this group in terms of depth.

 

Wide Receiver: Devin Funchess, Zach Pascal, Deon Cain, Reece Fountain, Krishawn Hogan, Jordan Veasy, Ashton Dulin*

 

Bowen’s Analysis: There’s some very intriguing young bodies here, with Cain on the mend until Training Camp. This is a huge spring for Fountain.

 

Tight End: Eric Ebron, Ross Travis, Gabe Holmes

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Travis is coming off a torn ACL, but has shown some nice receiving ability when healthy.

 

Tight End: Jack Doyle, Mo Alie-Cox, Billy Brown, Hale Hentges*

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Doyle and Alie-Cox are the most consistent three-down tight end options for Indianapolis.

 

Left Tackle: Anthony Castonzo, Le’Raven Clark, Jackson Barton*, Antonio Garcia

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Clark, a third-round pick in 2016, is in the final year of his rookie contract.

 

Left Guard: Quenton Nelson, William Poehls

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Poehls was signed by the team to a futures contract at the end of the 2018 season.

 

Center: Ryan Kelly, Evan Boehm, Javon Patterson*

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Boehm and Patterson both have needed position flex.

 

Right Guard: Mark Glowinski, Josh Andrews

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Andrews saw some action last year after the Colts signed him off the Eagles practice squad.

 

Right Tackle: Braden Smith, Joe Haeg, J’Marcus Webb, De’Ondre Wesley

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Haeg could play multiple spots especially with Webb, 30, returning on a one-year deal.

 

 

DEFENSIVE DEPTH CHART

 

Left Defensive End: Jabaal Sheard, Al-Quadin Muhammad, Carroll Phillips, Jegs Jegede*

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Muhammad actually was a starter late last season once Tyquan Lewis went on IR.

 

Defensive Tackle: Denico Autry, Tyquan Lewis, Jihad Ward, Jordan Thompson*, Johnny Robinson*

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Lewis and Ward are two pretty nice ‘backups’ for a D-line group that wants to rotate a lot.

 

Nose Tackle: Margus Hunt, Grover Stewart, Sterling Shippy*

 

Bowen’s Analysis: At 333 pounds, Stewart weighs 35 pounds more than any other Colts defensive lineman, besides the undrafted free agents.

 

Right Defensive End: Justin Houston, Kemoko Turay, Gerri Green*

 

Bowen’s Analysis: It will be interesting to see how the role for Houston, 30, plays out in Indy.

 

WILL Linebacker: Darius Leonard, EJ Speed*, Ahmad Thomas

 

Bowen’s Analysis: The Colts have said they want Speed to first play behind Leonard at the WILL position.

 

MIKE Linebacker: Anthony Walker, Bobby Okereke*, Skai Moore

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Okereke will get his first look at MIKE and could be in the mix for some passing down duties, depending on how well he picks up this defense.

 

SAM Linebacker: Ben Banogu*, Matthew Adams, Zaire Franklin, Tre Thomas*

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Banogu and Adams have vastly different physiques, so it will be interesting to see how much this position differs in 2019.

 

Cornerback: Kenny Moore, Nate Hairston, Chris Milton, Marvell Tell*, D.J. Killings, Shakai Taylor*

 

Bowen’s Analysis: The rotation at corner will look a lot different once you start incorporating nickel looks.

 

Cornerback: Pierre Desir, Quincy Wilson, Rock Ya-Sin*, Jalen Collins, Jamal Peters*

 

Bowen’s Analysis: Ya-Sin could easily rise up on this depth chart, but the Colts actually received pretty solid corner play late last year from Moore, Desir and Wilson.

 

Strong Safety: Clayton Geathers, Khari Willis*, George Odum, Derrick Kindred

 

Bowen’s Analysis: If you are trading up 20 spots for Willis, you have to think he’s a favorite for early playing time.

 

Free Safety: Malik Hooker, Matthias Farley, Roland Milligan

 

Bowen’s Analysis: The cerebral Farley returns on a one-year deal after he ended last season on IR.

 

Specialists: LS-Luke Rhodes, P-Rigoberto Sanchez, K-Adam Vinatieri, K-Cole Hedlund*,

 

Bowen’s Analysis: This group returns in-tact for a third straight season, with the addition of a rookie camp leg to help out the 46-year-old Vinatieri.

 

*Rookie

 

 

[EastStreet]

anyone want to project the nickel and dime depth charts for the D. interested to see some opinions on the possibilities. 

[John Hammonds]

Predictions:

Absolute certain rookie starter - Ben Banogu.  Last year's starter at Sam OLB, Najeh Good, was already on his last legs.  And he was first off the field on 3rd down.  Banogu will stay on the field and rush the passer.  And he's already better than Zaire and Matt.

First returning player off the team - Skai Moore.  I love Skai.  And I wanted so badly for him to do well.  But last year, he could barely stay on the active roster.  No way he stays with the addition of Banogu, Okareke, Speed, Willis, and Tell.

Player that will struggle to stay relevant - Quincy Wilson.  Rock Ya-Sin is going to push hard to make a case to start.  And I think he will, by mid-season.  Quincy isn't a nickle.  So, his role on the depth chart is limited.  The guy's gotta be better than Desir, or he may find himself without much to do.

[Coltsman1788]

1 hour ago, Irish YJ said:

Like the first sentence, it will change, and change a lot, but found some of their comments interesting.

https://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/kevins-corner/colts-coverage/colts-depth-chart-look-after-2019-nfl-draft

 

 

Good article Irish.  Thanks for the link!  As a general rule though I don’t think we are allowed to post the full text of an article on this board. Due to copyright concerns, etc.   I made that mistake myself during my earlier days on the boards.  However, providing the link to articles is fine.  Just a heads up.  I enjoyed the read. 

[EastStreet]

Just looked at SAM snap counts. Good was only on the field 6.11% of defensive snaps. Franklin only 16.81% of snaps. So really only used a SAM only about 23% of the time on D. 

 

Regarding Wilson, we use so many CBs in subpackages, I think Wilson will be fine. I agree though that RYS will move up pretty quickly. Wouldn't be shocked if he was starting by mid season if he can polish quickly.

[EastStreet]

2 minutes ago, Coltsman1788 said:

Good article Irish.  Thanks for the link!  As a general rule though I don’t think we are allowed to post the full text of an article on this board. Due to copyright concerns, etc.   I made that mistake myself during my earlier days on the boards.  However, providing the link to articles is fine.  Just a heads up.  I enjoyed the read. 

Thinks for the heads up! On other boards, as long as it's not premium/paid-for content, if you use quotes, and cite via link, you're fine. I'm happy to follow whatever rules are on this board. 

 

Mods, any feedback?

[Coltsfan66]

7 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

Just looked at SAM snap counts. Good was only on the field 6.11% of defensive snaps. Franklin only 16.81% of snaps. So really only used a SAM only about 23% of the time on D. 

 

Regarding Wilson, we use so many CBs in subpackages, I think Wilson will be fine. I agree though that RYS will move up pretty quickly. Wouldn't be shocked if he was starting by mid season if he can polish quickly.

@Irish YJ thanks for posting this.  I am wondering if Banogu may be utilized like Marcus Washington was at the Sam under Dungy?  Also, the nickle CB position should be interesting to watch unfold.  Last year Quincy came in and Moore moved inside.  My guess would be that either Rock challenges him or either Pierre/Moore?  Should be fun to watch this all shake out!

[John Hammonds]

9 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

Just looked at SAM snap counts. Good was only on the field 6.11% of defensive snaps. Franklin only 16.81% of snaps. So really only used a SAM only about 23% of the time on D. 

 

Regarding Wilson, we use so many CBs in subpackages, I think Wilson will be fine. I agree though that RYS will move up pretty quickly. Wouldn't be shocked if he was starting by mid season if he can polish quickly.

Thanks for the stats, Irish.  And you make a good point.  What's the likelihood of Banogu's "staying in there"?  How is it going to affect things, situationally, 1st down nickel package vs 3rd down nickel package?  On first down nickel, he would come out, and we would use our starting DL.  On 3rd down, he would stay in, but would slide up to DE.

I hope you're right about Quincy.  I'm rooting for him to put it all together to start.

[throwing BBZ]

12 hours ago, John Hammonds said:

Predictions:

Absolute certain rookie starter - Ben Banogu.  Last year's starter at Sam OLB, Najeh Good, was already on his last legs.  And he was first off the field on 3rd down.  Banogu will stay on the field and rush the passer.  And he's already better than Zaire and Matt.

First returning player off the team - Skai Moore.  I love Skai.  And I wanted so badly for him to do well.  But last year, he could barely stay on the active roster.  No way he stays with the addition of Banogu, Okareke, Speed, Willis, and Tell.

Player that will struggle to stay relevant - Quincy Wilson.  Rock Ya-Sin is going to push hard to make a case to start.  And I think he will, by mid-season.  Quincy isn't a nickle.  So, his role on the depth chart is limited.  The guy's gotta be better than Desir, or he may find himself without much to do.

 

 I don't think you have watched Banogu enough. He really doesn't have any rush moves. On occasion he may get a few rushes as a DE, but he may never be as good as a Sheard, Lewis, Turay, Houston, Autry, as a 251lb rusher.

[krunk]

13 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

anyone want to project the nickel and dime depth charts for the D. interested to see some opinions on the possibilities. 

Probably Kenny Moore #1 option and Nate Hairston #2 option for Nickel.  In Dime I think you could see the same 2 guys. Or if Rock isn't starting on the outside you may see Rock get some inside work  in Dime. Or maybe Quincy Wilson if Rock is starting on the outside.

[krunk]

35 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 I don't think you have watched Banogu enough. He really doesn't have any rush moves. On occasion he may get a few rushes as a DE, but he may never be as good as a Sheard, Lewis, Turay, Houston, Autry, as a 251lb rusher.

Rush moves are something you improve upon from college to pro. What you see now will be a different product as we move forward most likely.   I think Banogu will move towards being a full time edge rusher if he shows he can handle that.  He's got the athletic traits to do so and it's encouraging to me that he could put up 2 straight seasons of 8 sacks with "supposedly" no rush moves. However I think the thinking inside the Colts building is if that doesn't happen they are probably okay with using him as a full time Sam Linebacker/Jamie Collins type thing.  As I've said before it's an advantage to have a SAM backer who is also proficient at rushing the passer because that allows you to go into game day with your normal suite of pass rushers, plus the extra guy who plays the SAM but can also be used as a pass rusher.

[krunk]

12 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

Just looked at SAM snap counts. Good was only on the field 6.11% of defensive snaps. Franklin only 16.81% of snaps. So really only used a SAM only about 23% of the time on D. 

 

Regarding Wilson, we use so many CBs in subpackages, I think Wilson will be fine. I agree though that RYS will move up pretty quickly. Wouldn't be shocked if he was starting by mid season if he can polish quickly.

I'm wondering this year with all these fast athletic LB we have if we are going to play more Base Coverage?  If so then that's going to increase the amount of snaps for the SAM.  I wouldn't be surpised if we had some looks where you take Walker out and play with Banogu at SAM,  Okereke or Speed at Mike and Leonard at Will backer.   Just doing some thinking.

[Coffeedrinker]

15 hours ago, John Hammonds said:

Predictions:

Absolute certain rookie starter - Ben Banogu.  Last year's starter at Sam OLB, Najeh Good, was already on his last legs.  And he was first off the field on 3rd down.  Banogu will stay on the field and rush the passer.  And he's already better than Zaire and Matt.

First returning player off the team - Skai Moore.  I love Skai.  And I wanted so badly for him to do well.  But last year, he could barely stay on the active roster.  No way he stays with the addition of Banogu, Okareke, Speed, Willis, and Tell.

Player that will struggle to stay relevant - Quincy Wilson.  Rock Ya-Sin is going to push hard to make a case to start.  And I think he will, by mid-season.  Quincy isn't a nickle.  So, his role on the depth chart is limited.  The guy's gotta be better than Desir, or he may find himself without much to do.

Good was only the starter for like the first 3 games.  Most of the season Adams was the starting SAM.  It's possible Banogu starts over Adams but it is not a guarantee at all.

 

Personally, I think Rock will replace Desir not Wilson.  I think at the end of the season Wilson was playing better than Desir and I think that will continue.

[Four2itus]

1 hour ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Good was only the starter for like the first 3 games.  Most of the season Adams was the starting SAM.  It's possible Banogu starts over Adams but it is not a guarantee at all.

 

Personally, I think Rock will replace Desir not Wilson.  I think at the end of the season Wilson was playing better than Desir and I think that will continue.

I hope Wilson continues to improve this season. 

[#12.]

I have a feeling Banogu and Okereke will both start.  They're trying to create something different with these LBs.  Hybrid, flexible, however you want to describe it.  When asked about the pass rush, Frank said it can also come from these athletic LBs, as with Leonard and his 7 sacks last year.   E.J.?  Damn, watch Speed explode on the QB.  

 

Wouldn't doubt if Rock starts, too.

 

Geathers and injuries... another possibility there with Khari. 

[EastStreet]

14 hours ago, John Hammonds said:

Thanks for the stats, Irish.  And you make a good point.  What's the likelihood of Banogu's "staying in there"?  How is it going to affect things, situationally, 1st down nickel package vs 3rd down nickel package?  On first down nickel, he would come out, and we would use our starting DL.  On 3rd down, he would stay in, but would slide up to DE.

I hope you're right about Quincy.  I'm rooting for him to put it all together to start.

It's  going to be interesting to see how things pan out. With his lack of pass rush polish, not sure we'll see him early sliding into DE over Houston or others on 3rd. Hope he's a quick study and can pick up some solid technique coaching that he didn't get at TCU. 

[EastStreet]

16 hours ago, Coltsfan66 said:

@Irish YJ thanks for posting this.  I am wondering if Banogu may be utilized like Marcus Washington was at the Sam under Dungy?  Also, the nickle CB position should be interesting to watch unfold.  Last year Quincy came in and Moore moved inside.  My guess would be that either Rock challenges him or either Pierre/Moore?  Should be fun to watch this all shake out!

I'm still trying to figure out our D lol.... I think it will evolve more this season in year 2. I've watched all the vid on Eb's D, and read the articles. He didn't exactly follow his own vids last year lol, but that's likely due to personnel limitations. Not that he will not continue to evolve, or game plan vs specific teams, but I think we'll see a bit more of what he advertised (some of his vids) earlier. 

 

I wasn't all that hyped on RYS when drafted (I wasn't disappointed), but I'm starting to warm up to him a bunch.

[EastStreet]

12 hours ago, krunk said:

Probably Kenny Moore #1 option and Nate Hairston #2 option for Nickel.  In Dime I think you could see the same 2 guys. Or if Rock isn't starting on the outside you may see Rock get some inside work  in Dime. Or maybe Quincy Wilson if Rock is starting on the outside.

A buddy of mine (Temple fan) thinks RYS can play anywhere. Said he's so raw and athletic (and smart), he'll be a monster just about anywhere with good coaching once he settles in. Not saying I buy all of it, but I do know he's got some amazing highlights.

[krunk]

Another thing I'm wondering is if we will break out any 3-4 looks. I know in the past the Seahawks had a small amount of 3-4 packages that they ran.

 

"While Seattle uses a base 4-3, it also incorporates many elements of the 3-4.

As Quinn puts it, “We happen to have lots of 3-4 looks, but we are a 4-3 team."

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/defense-101-understanding-how-the-seahawks-play/

[#12.]

They might do some of that with Banogu and Houston, Krunk, but I think they also like the idea of getting at the QB from any off the ball 4-3 LB position(Leonard 2018).  Frank said something... a few things, to that effect.

[MikeCurtis]

21 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 I don't think you have watched Banogu enough. He really doesn't have any rush moves. On occasion he may get a few rushes as a DE, but he may never be as good as a Sheard, Lewis, Turay, Houston, Autry, as a 251lb rusher.

You may end up being right.... BUT...

 

The kid seems to have all the basic attributes for the spot, Speed, size, attitude, and top athlete

 

Some time with a D-line coach may just give him a move or two, that can equate to sacks and pressures