Pats trade for Dwayne Allen [Merge]

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

I am crazy for thinking that we could come away with 2 starters out of those three 4th round picks? In Ballard I Trust!

[backshoulderfade]

25 minutes ago, BOTT said:

Allen would be a good player IF

 

1. he could stay healthy 

 

2. Stop dropping touchdowns

 

3. Stop dropping first downs

Just like Curtis Painter would be the best QB in the league if he could throe the ball better than anyone else

[BOTT]

6 minutes ago, backshoulderfade said:

Just like Curtis Painter would be the best QB in the league if he could throe the ball better than anyone else

That was kind of the point

[backshoulderfade]

3 minutes ago, BOTT said:

That was kind of the point

I know, I'm just piling on.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

55 minutes ago, ponyboy said:

 

Agreed.

 

In fact, going by draft position value charts, moving from #198->#137 gains only 25.3 points (37.5-12,2).. which equates to a low 5th round pick in this years draft (#165 just before the 5th round comps).   Value-wise, we essentially traded DA for a late 5th.  About what some had predicted.

 

However, we didn't actually gain a pick and we now need a TE.. so this could actually mean we have one *less* pick to use for defense.  Capwise this makes sense -- having the third TE on a rookie contract.  Hate to say this but it opens the possibility that the top TE in the draft may be considered the best value sitting there at #15.

This is true God help us here comes a TE?!?!

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

57 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Finally got the two best TE's starting next year, and it only took a new GM and a trade to do so!

Swoope is NOT the best TE

[OLD FAN MAN]

3 hours ago, antipatriot said:

I like our new GM already, I was never a fan of Allen and especially the deal he got from Grigs.

i concur

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

Swoope is NOT the best TE

No, Doyle is.

[Myles]

You know that Allen is going to be a star on the Patriots, right?  

This wasn't a bad trAde for either team.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

45 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

It makes me uneasy that Bill Belichik wanted him and got him from us for little

And there it is folks!! You know Belichik wins almost ALL DEALS!! hard to say as much as I hate NE.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

3 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

No, Doyle is.

and swoope is a marginal 3rd string TE with limited years of playing football!

[backshoulderfade]

It is amazing what I have read on Pats sites. They are helping us out of "cap hell", we got "fleeced".

[BOTT]

4 minutes ago, Myles said:

You know that Allen is going to be a star on the Patriots, right?  

This wasn't a bad trAde for either team.

Yeah, just like Fat Albert, Chad Johnson, Armond Armstead, joey Galloway, Adalius Thomas and Shawn Springs.

[Yoshinator]

5 minutes ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

and swoope is a marginal 3rd string TE with limited years of playing football!

Oh well, we have Hilton, Moncrief, and Doyle. We can't have a superstar offense at every position all the time.

[indyagent17]

6 minutes ago, Myles said:

You know that Allen is going to be a star on the Patriots, right?  

This wasn't a bad trAde for either team.

i am not for sure about Allen in NE. He tends to take plays off and that will not sit will with BB. I thing Allen was brought in because of Gronk's injuries and the lack of experienced Tight Ends on the roster. Just a feeling I have and its my opinion

[Reboot]

Just now, backshoulderfade said:

It is amazing what I have read on Pats sites. They are helping us out of "cap hell", we got "fleeced".

I can't wait to see how Tom reacts to his propensity to drop passes.   I promise you it won't be like how Andrew handled it.  Allen better find his game.   He will have as perfect a set of circumstances for a TE as there ever was.   I'd say the Patriots are as TE friendly as they come.  

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

16 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Oh well, we have Hilton, Moncrief, and Doyle. We can't have a superstar offense at every position all the time.

Yup just an injury away good times!!

[aaron11]

44 minutes ago, B~Town said:

I wonder who made the call if the Colts or NE got the ball rolling .

the colts probably put allen out on a trade block after getting doyle signed.  that seems most likely considering the timing

 

 

[aaron11]

2 minutes ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

Yup just an injury away good times!!

if youre worried about injuries, then allen is not the guy you want to be counting on

[Yoshinator]

2 minutes ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

Yup just an injury away good times!!

With literally no defense  like the last 20 years, more good times!

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Just now, aaron11 said:

if youre worried about injuries, then allen is not the guy you want to be counting on

True but with doyle we were deep there not so much anymore.

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

True but with doyle we were deep there not so much anymore.

Yes, now we can make Doyle the starter like he deserves and replace Allen with a cheap veteran or a UDFA like he was playing like.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

1 minute ago, Jared Cisneros said:

With literally no defense  like the last 20 years, more good times!

we need defense and a TE now, so we will use a pick or free agent money on a TE now taking away from the defense! The sad thing is if we stay at 15 the Alabama TE is there don't be surprised we take him. 

[Dingus McGirt]

4 hours ago, Superman said:

 

$11.5m for a 36 catch TE is not good.

$320,000 per.  LOL

[Solon]

It's baffling how some of you are happy we traded Allen. Dwayne did ALL of our blocking, so that allowed Doyle to run free. We'll see next year when Doyle becomes the blocker and Swoope will be allowed to run. We'll be saying Swoope should be starting, despite the aforementioned circumstances. Allen was asked to stay in and block the majority of snaps he played. That clearly took away some of his targets and production.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

3 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Yes, now we can make Doyle the starter like he deserves and replace Allen with a cheap veteran or a UDFA like he was playing like.

He played better than that dude he did a lot of dirty work that goes unnoticed unless you have played the game!!

[Yoshinator]

Just now, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

we need defense and a TE now, so we will use a pick or free agent money on a TE now taking away from the defense! The sad thing is if we stay at 15 the Alabama TE is there don't be surprised we take him. 

We aren't taking a TE at 15 after signing Doyle to a long term deal. I'm starting to think you are trolling now.

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

He played better than that dude he did a lot of dirty work that goes unnoticed unless you have played the game!!

He's a solid blocker, but it's not hard to find a TE who can block. Allen can Block and can catch TD's in the red zone. It's not hard to replace that. I have a feeling you are very young and are throwing a fit over this at your house. Allen is the not a good player. In fact, he was part of the problem!

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

2 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

We aren't taking a TE at 15 after signing Doyle to a long term deal. I'm starting to think you are trolling now.

Not troling but don't be surprised if they do. BAP

[AKB]

Just now, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

Not troling but don't be surprised if they do. BAP

I think the entire country would be surprised.

 

And if you don't understand why that is, then....

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

1 minute ago, Jared Cisneros said:

He's a solid blocker, but it's not hard to find a TE who can block. Allen can Block and can catch TD's in the red zone. It's not hard to replace that. I have a feeling you are very young and are throwing a fit over this at your house. Allen is the not a good player. In fact, he was part of the problem!

Not young have played D-1 football!! He was not part of the problem, and I highly suspect the Patriots would disagree with you. You know how bad an organization they are year in an year out, and so poor at evaluating talent!!

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

Not young have played D-1 football!! He was not part of the problem, and I highly suspect the Patriots would disagree with you. You know how bad an organization they are year in an year out, and so poor at evaluating talent!!

Well, I suspect Chris Ballard would disagree with you, and that's all that matters unless you want to go to the Pats board and cheer for them.

[DougDew]

16 minutes ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

we need defense and a TE now, so we will use a pick or free agent money on a TE now taking away from the defense! The sad thing is if we stay at 15 the Alabama TE is there don't be surprised we take him. 

We're not spending $6 million per year on Doyle AND the #15 pick to have two starting TEs.  There will be a TE added, but not for more than $3 mil per year or higher than a 3rd, IMO.  

 

Might spend one of the 3 4th rounders on one.

[OLD FAN MAN]

4 hours ago, masnerj said:

I am 100% ok with this move, in fact I love it. 

 

Think about it this way: we essentially removed a kind of logjam and over spending at one position to increase depth and youth and talent in another (probably defense too!). Removing Allen was the right move for multiple reasons: saves us money down the line, essentially upgrades our 6th to a 4th (DEFENSE!!), AND it allows a player like Swoope more PT and more of a chance to make an impact. Jack Doyle will be our primary starting TE who will basically always be on the field blocking, receiving, etc but this also gives Swoope a chance to come in and get better and get more snaps. He flashed last year, lets see where it goes. And don't expect Ballard to simply leave us with two TEs, we could easily buy a cheap TE on the free agency or sign a UDFA!

ballard is cleaning up grigs mess, overpaid low talent draft picks and free agents

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

5 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Well, I suspect Chris Ballard would disagree with you, and that's all that matters unless you want to go to the Pats board and cheer for them.

I like Ballard!  But Lets not anoint him the 2nd coming here just yet. I am sure there is a plan we just don't know what that is yet. until we do the team now has an additional hole to fill!

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

I like Ballard!  But Lets not anoint him the 2nd coming here just yet. I am sure there is a plan we just don't know what that is yet. until we do the team now has an additional hole to fill!

We'll probably go BPA and try to grab someone who can be a starter at that pick. Just my guess. The additional hole will more than likely filled in the draft late or in FA. It's really not going to be that much of a downgrade, as long as the TE we sign can block and catch decently well. Doyle needed to be the starter, especially if we signed him to a long term deal. If we kept Allen and got rid of Doyle, I don't think you'd like that either.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

4 minutes ago, DougDew said:

We're not spending $6 million per year on Doyle AND the #15 pick to have two starting TEs.  There will be a TE added, but not for more than $3 mil per year or higher than a 3rd, IMO.  

 

Might spend one of the 3 4th rounders on one.

The kid from Alabama is good, so good he blocks and can be split out like a very large WR. I agree with you thats how I would do it, but that kid is gifted, highly thought of, and I really don't think Ballard is the kind of guy to reach for guys based on need. I hope we don't take him but now it wouldn't surprise me based on how much Pagano would like to run the ball. The 3rd or 4th round guy could have been a defensive pick much more needed than a TE 24 hours ago.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

We'll probably go BPA and try to grab someone who can be a starter at that pick. Just my guess. The additional hole will more than likely filled in the draft late or in FA. It's really not going to be that much of a downgrade, as long as the TE we sign can block and catch decently well. Doyle needed to be the starter, especially if we signed him to a long term deal. If we kept Allen and got rid of Doyle, I don't think you'd like that either.

I wanted to keep Doyle you don't get that Doyle and Allen play the same positions, but have different skill sets. I wanted both!!You HIGHLY UNDERESTIMATE Allens ability NE doesn't.

[DougDew]

7 minutes ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

The kid from Alabama is good, so good he blocks and can be split out like a very large WR. I agree with you thats how I would do it, but that kid is gifted, highly thought of, and I really don't think Ballard is the kind of guy to reach for guys based on need. I hope we don't take him but now it wouldn't surprise me based on how much Pagano would like to run the ball. The 3rd or 4th round guy could have been a defensive pick much more needed than a TE 24 hours ago.

If we can seriously make this Alabama TE the slot WR in the three wide then maybe it makes sense....but we'd have to move Dorsett for some real value to get a good defensive player or a RB.  Just seems like a complicated way to justify selecting a TE at 15. 

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

I wanted to keep Doyle you don't get that Doyle and Allen play the same positions, but have different skill sets. I wanted both!!You HIGHLY UNDERESTIMATE Allens ability NE doesn't.

I know Allen's ability just fine. He's a great blocker and he can catch balls in the end zone. He also has poor hands though. Blocking TE's are easier to find than receiving TE's, which is why it's easy to replace him. Allen was a huge burden and really only produced one game when scored 3 tds. More importantly, he keeps Doyle off the field, when Doyle is a huge safety valve for Luck. I wouldn't mind making Allen the 2, but if it's between Doyle and Allen, and we can get value for Allen, then you do it 100 times out of 100.