southwest1 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 In fairness to Mike Vanderjagt Nadine, it was wrong for Peyton to claim that Mike was intoxicated. I will concede that point willingly, but at the end of the day, I will always exercise a favorable bias toward Peyton Manning in 99% of any controversial claims leveled against #18. I will own that & not pretend to run from it. I don't hate Mike. I just believe he dug his own NFL grave, which he did entirely on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadine Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 @southwest1 @jvan1973 Agree to disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanFromtheWasteland Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 7 hours ago, Nadine said: I hear that but he trashed his career. Called him a drunk which he wasn't. Anyone else with his skill would have had a longer career in the NFL. But after that he didn't Just my POV. Don't trash people just because you are angry Vanderjagt trashed his own career by not being able to kick fg anymore. His failure in Dallas had nothing what so ever to do with what Peyton said. From what I saw he very well may have been a drunk. Also Pat got drunk, swam the channel and then tried to get in someone's car, and the whole world knew about it. Didn't trash his career now did it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 8 hours ago, Blue Swagger said: It may have been settled with money. But the public is unsettled with it. Looking at the evidence and testimonies, it doesn't look like Peyton handled this well at all. The major media that didnt know it occurred at the time and is passing retroactive judgment based on what they didn't pay attention to it then? I guess. There is no doubt Peyton didn't handle this well, especially in 2003. But it was public and it was settled 13 years later. It was not left unfinished. And both sides cant talk. What is to be said or done now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadine Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 22 minutes ago, FanFromtheWasteland said: Vanderjagt trashed his own career by not being able to kick fg anymore. His failure in Dallas had nothing what so ever to do with what Peyton said. From what I saw he very well may have been a drunk. Also Pat got drunk, swam the channel and then tried to get in someone's car, and the whole world knew about it. Didn't trash his career now did it agree to disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, oldunclemark said: The major media didnt know it occurred at the time and is passing retroactive judgment based on what they didn't pay attention to then? Really? There is no doubt Peyton didn't handle this well, especially in 2003. But it was public and it was settled 13 years later. It was not left unfinished. And both sides cant talk. What is to be said or done now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Nadine said: @southwest1 @jvan1973 Agree to disagree I'm not sure what there is to disagree about. He had another opportunity after his time here was up. He wasn't good. His career didn't end because peyton called him a liquored up kicker. If he was still able to kick FGS he would still be playing. Sebastion Janakowski is literally a liquored up kicker who is still employed because he is a good kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadine Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 48 minutes ago, jvan1973 said: I'm not sure what there is to disagree about. I know, that's why I agreed to disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayone Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 12 hours ago, oldunclemark said: The suggestion is that Peyton held a grudge against the woman who sued him because he didnt think his admittedly juvenile locker room actions warranted a suit and a monetary settlement....He was foolish to revisit his bad act in the 2003 book but I understand it if he felt she went too far. ....That's what I've always wondered about this story. Even if you take what she claimed Peyton did as the truth.. ....it takes a ton of effort to pursue a lawsuit........ ...I wonder if there was more to her response...was it just because she knew his dad had money? ...Or was there more to the situation. We'll never know. It doesnt change how I feel about Peyton ...its just sad that he wont be celebrated now if he retires next month. For a 20-yearold college incident that was settled 13 years ago 10 hours ago, Blue Swagger said: It may have been settled with money. But the public is unsettled with it. Looking at the evidence and testimonies, it doesn't look like Peyton handled this well at all. 10 hours ago, southwest1 said: All I know is this: Why is something that was handled with a financial settlement at the University Of Tennessee back in 1996 being brought to the forefront now? Gee, I don't know maybe it's because Jamie Naughright saw that Manning just won his 2nd SB ring & she wants a bigger payday because she's a gold digger perhaps. I revere Manning & I don't believe he ever did anything inappropriate as a college QB & since no charges were filed almost 20 years ago, this woman needs to zip it, walk away, & stop trying to tarnish Peyton's impeccable character & reputation. Get lost lady. I don't believe a word of your unfounded & outlandish allegations regarding #18 at all. Pure fiction with no merit or basis in fact. Read this chronology of events and reporter in question, admittingly from a Denver site But seems pretty good ( as well as quite long citing many sources / opinions ) even notes where Peyton made mistajkes etc http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/2/16/11015918/peyton-manning-scandal-shaun-king-tennessee-1996 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanFromtheWasteland Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 3 hours ago, Nadine said: agree to disagree Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramz Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 2 hours ago, bayone said: Read this chronology of events and reporter in question, admittingly from a Denver site But seems pretty good ( as well as quite long citing many sources / opinions ) even notes where Peyton made mistajkes etc http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/2/16/11015918/peyton-manning-scandal-shaun-king-tennessee-1996 Apparently she made threatening phone calls to the University of Tennessee this past fall and UT contacted the FBI. Then she posted on her FB page that she was going to expose Golden Boy. I believe that in itself is a violation of their agreement. It's all here: http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/tennessee-associate-ad-contacted-fbi-about-manning-accuser-harassment-021716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayone Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Mrs. Misunderstood said: Apparently she made threatening phone calls to the University of Tennessee this past fall and UT contacted the FBI. Then she posted on her FB page that she was going to expose Golden Boy. I believe that in itself is a violation of their agreement. It's all here: http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/tennessee-associate-ad-contacted-fbi-about-manning-accuser-harassment-021716 I knew her suit in 96 Vs Tennessee involved many players , But I didnt know she claimed 33 cases of sexual harassment, , u have to wonder if she gave any reason to invoke such a pattern - Peyton being the big name is just fodder for the media and that king guy especially , more so that he may retire and some want to taint it That Tennessee associate athletic director Carmen Tegano who contacted the FBI because he says "rambling, threatening and incoherent," Tegano said "I didn't know who was on the other line at first because the caller would not identify herself. She just kept saying, 'You know who this is.' Eventually she said it was her (Jamie Naughright). I can't recall the last time I had talked to her prior to this call, at least ten years ago. After three or four minutes I hung up on her." A few weeks later another call arrived at the house. After a short, incoherent conversation Tegano said he hung up on her again. The third time Naughright called the house in the fall of 2015, "My wife answered and she said something very rude to her (my wife) and I hung up on her again." & she just kept calling as per article and to his home yet, not his work, that's just plain wrong, yes there are 2 sides 2 every story but she really sounds like a winning personality for the old what was it Jerry Singer Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramz Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I'm really staring to understand why some of the most intelligent people in my life, who form their opinions based on fact finding, stay the Hell away from Social media of all sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayone Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Mrs. Misunderstood said: I'm really staring to understand why some of the most intelligent people in my life, who form their opinions based on fact finding, stay the Hell away from Social media of all sorts. this is the only social media site i am active on if u call me active, I aam not a member of twitter or FB I also added to mty above comment as u wwere responding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramz Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, bayone said: I knew her suit in 96 Vs Tennessee involved many players , But I didnt know she claimed 33 cases of sexual harassment, , u have to wonder if she gave any reason to invoke such a pattern - Peyton being the big name is just fodder for the media and that king guy especially , more so that he may retire and some want to taint it that's been the biggest red flag for me. Why she had 33 claims over a period of 6 years, all before her claim against Peyton. Not questioning if they are true or not, because who really knows... My question is WHY would you stay in an environment like that unless you were looking for a payday compensation? And did the school settle with her because they believed these claims, or did they settle to finally be rid of her? As we've all seen this past week, she has a list of litigations against other people, including Donna Karan, A Delicatessen, her own husband, and others... Is she really a "victim" of all these people, or are they the victims of a serial litigator? I really don't know, but it sure makes you ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 10:54 AM, chad72 said: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/15/kravitz-second-lawsuit-was-sparked-by-peyton-manning-holding-a-grudge/ I looked it up and here was Peyton on Jim Mora after his "playoff" rant: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-11-29/sports/0111290297_1_peyton-manning-mora-tony-siragusa If grudge holding is a valid thing that Kravitz brings up, to me it may imply that Peyton does not retire a Colt if there is a grudge with Irsay. If he holds a grudge after Irsay paid him $26.4M to ride the bench, I'm going to hold a grudge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 5 hours ago, jvan1973 said: I'm not sure what there is to disagree about. That's what happens when people are proven wrong and can't admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadine Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Narcosys said: That's what happens when people are proven wrong and can't admit it. Or that's what happens when you know neither side will change their mind and they don't want to be nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 37 minutes ago, Nadine said: Or that's what happens when you know neither side will change their mind and they don't want to be nasty Nobody has to change their mind. But when facts of a situation stand in stark contrast to a persons opinion, and they refuse to acknowledge this, they are viewed as having no legs to stand on. Thus their opinion or argument is viewed as less credible and may affect how others perceive or value future opinions. Furthermore, the only reason to get nasty is when you no longer have any valid points to make and resort to being nasty to direct attention away from the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadine Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Just now, Narcosys said: Nobody has to change their mind. But when facts of a situation stand in stark contrast to a persons opinion, they are viewed as having no legs to stand on. Thus their opinion or argument is viewed as less credible and may affect how others perceive or value future opinions. OK, believe what you choose. Makes no difference to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 12 hours ago, jvan1973 said: I'm not sure what there is to disagree about. He had another opportunity after his time here was up. He wasn't good. His career didn't end because peyton called him a liquored up kicker. If he was still able to kick FGS he would still be playing. Sebastion Janakowski is literally a liquored up kicker who is still employed because he is a good kicker He was also dealing with a groin injury that year (Though I don't know the severity), Janikowski is an 80.2% field goal kicker and has 8 seasons of 80% or below field goal %. Vanderjagt only has 3.....Janikowski don't belong in the same sentence.. Vanderjagt said himself he wanted to return to Toronto for his wife and kids after the Cowboys released him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougDew Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 As far as the Vanderjagt commet PM made, has anybody mentioned that PM was making the comment in response to MV comment he first made about PM's quarterbacking? MV was on a Canadian sports show or something and said something elluding to the idea about PM not being a winner, which then begat PM calling him a liquored-up kicker shortly thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southwest1 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 7 hours ago, bayone said: I knew her suit in 96 Vs Tennessee involved many players , But I didnt know she claimed 33 cases of sexual harassment, , u have to wonder if she gave any reason to invoke such a pattern - Peyton being the big name is just fodder for the media and that king guy especially , more so that he may retire and some want to taint it That Tennessee associate athletic director Carmen Tegano who contacted the FBI because he says "rambling, threatening and incoherent," Tegano said "I didn't know who was on the other line at first because the caller would not identify herself. She just kept saying, 'You know who this is.' Eventually she said it was her (Jamie Naughright). I can't recall the last time I had talked to her prior to this call, at least ten years ago. After three or four minutes I hung up on her." A few weeks later another call arrived at the house. After a short, incoherent conversation Tegano said he hung up on her again. The third time Naughright called the house in the fall of 2015, "My wife answered and she said something very rude to her (my wife) and I hung up on her again." & she just kept calling as per article and to his home yet, not his work, that's just plain wrong, yes there are 2 sides 2 every story but she really sounds like a winning personality for the old what was it Jerry Singer Show My, my, my this Jamie sounds like she's got a ton of emotional issues to work through. She hardly sounds reasonable & level headed. Whatever her vendetta against Manning is in 2016, Peyton has nothing to worry about next to this looney tunes lady. The public will soon she Jamie & this Mr. King for the greedy opportunists that they truly are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southwest1 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 15 hours ago, Nadine said: @southwest1 @jvan1973 Agree to disagree That's perfectly fine. I just don't understand what the difference of opinion is actually about here. Is it that Peyton mischaracterized Mike as drunk when that wasn't proven or that Manning used his QB clout & influence to get Mike fired in Indianapolis? He had other opportunities to kick in other cities & he couldn't remain on rosters after the Colts released him. The NFL is a harsh business & Mike couldn't hold his own weight. It's as simple as that. It's not like #18 sabotaged his entire kicking career. You have a right to your viewpoint & you are under no obligation to justify it of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 * kicker was hilarious and not below the belt. The Colts went and got Kerry Collins out of a box and put him at quarterback not to long ago. They don't discriminate against drunks lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corndog Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 1 hour ago, southwest1 said: My, my, my this Jamie sounds like she's got a ton of emotional issues to work through. She hardly sounds reasonable & level headed. Whatever her vendetta against Manning is in 2016, Peyton has nothing to worry about next to this looney tunes lady. The public will soon she Jamie & this Mr. King for the greedy opportunists that they truly are. Probably more money and attention for this Jamie nutjob, but there is no new news as far as Manning is concerned. The sports radio hosts were going on about it last weekend, but the story has died as quickly as it rose. There is nothing here and nothing in the whole recent Manning media nightmare is really sticking. They are digging and may eventually find something if they search hard enough, but this past scandal is not it. Manning was young and dumb, but nothing he did was malicious. Just an old story that is getting resurfaced. The sports media was hoping for new information and this spring/summer's deflategate, but it was not the case. They will actually have to cover the sports going on instead of hoping the NFL could carry them through the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Gavin said: He was also dealing with a groin injury that year (Though I don't know the severity), Janikowski is an 80.2% field goal kicker and has 8 seasons of 80% or below field goal %. Vanderjagt only has 3.....Janikowski don't belong in the same sentence.. Vanderjagt said himself he wanted to return to Toronto for his wife and kids after the Cowboys released him His wife is from brownsburg indiana. They went to Toronto for him. They then moved to Marco Island where he was fired from coaching youth football for choking a child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 On 2/18/2016 at 9:04 PM, Blue Swagger said: It may have been settled with money. But the public is unsettled with it. Looking at the evidence and testimonies, it doesn't look like Peyton handled this well at all. What testimony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Swagger Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Just now, jvan1973 said: What testimony? He wrote a letter to Peyton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 1 minute ago, jvan1973 said: His wife is from brownsburg indiana. They went to Toronto for him. They then moved to Marco Island where he was fired from coaching youth football for choking a child Perhaps he meant TO his wife and kids then, I knew about him choking a child, No doubt he had issues but I don't think he is not in the NFL cause of a bad year with the Cowboys...Not at 36 in my opinion being a Kicker. I think its either his agent has taken a few calls and they turned them down or he called it quits. From what I could find he wasn't charged with choking the kid. For what its worth Vanderjagt said he put his hand on the kids shoulder at the base of the neck.....and again no charges were filed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 31 minutes ago, Gavin said: Perhaps he meant TO his wife and kids then, I knew about him choking a child, No doubt he had issues but I don't think he is not in the NFL cause of a bad year with the Cowboys...Not at 36 in my opinion being a Kicker. I think its either his agent has taken a few calls and they turned them down or he called it quits. From what I could find he wasn't charged with choking the kid. For what its worth Vanderjagt said he put his hand on the kids shoulder at the base of the neck.....and again no charges were filed Whatever it was, it wasn't peyton having him black balled from the league. Kickers rarely get a second lease on their career when they lose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 9 hours ago, Blue Swagger said: He wrote a letter to Peyton. He never said he witnessed anything. Just that he wasn't the one he mooned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Swagger Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 6 hours ago, jvan1973 said: He never said he witnessed anything. Just that he wasn't the one he mooned Yeah even Peyton said that guy was a witness to the act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 45 minutes ago, Blue Swagger said: Yeah even Peyton said that guy was a witness to the act. Exactly. Peyton said he was mooning him. The guy said he wasn't the one who was mooned. Thus, he wasn't there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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