Incognito / Martin: Wells report released

[Naptown Lifer]

It is objective. And you saying you haven't read it just further proves my point. It constantly shows what many players thought throughout the whole thing, so instead of asking me to, how about you take about a minute to read a page or two before even replying?

And no, this report isn't just to make fans happy. If you think that, you're just plain ignorant. Again, the NFL hired a private investigator to do this, and it's really well put together.

And when have i called for Incognito's head? He's a terrible person for tormenting his teammates, but i never said anything about him being banned. Quit acting like he did nothing wrong

God it is so annoying when people act like they know what they are talking about. You haven't read it so quit acting like you have. You're making yourself look bad. There's no comments about "what players though" there is nothing about how players thought he was this racist out of control bully. No player said that. So it is clear you didn't even read it. It's one thing to state your opinion but quit trying to just make up facts in the fly and pretending you did your homework.

And they didn't hire a private investigator. Wrong again.

They hired a criminal attorney, why criminal? I think a litigator would've been a lot more appropriate myself . Criminal?

Get your facts straight. It's ok to be misinformed, it's another to act like you're informed when you don't even care to research and just spew nonsense out. You're a great example of why this country is slowly going down the crapper

[TYhaze]

God it is so annoying when people act like they know what they are talking about. You haven't read it so quit acting like you have. You're making yourself look bad. There's no comments about "what players though" there is nothing about how players thought he was this racist out of control bully. No player said that. So it is clear you didn't even read it. It's one thing to state your opinion but quit trying to just make up facts in the fly and pretending you did your homework.

And they didn't hire a private investigator. Wrong again.

They hired a criminal attorney, why criminal? I think a litigator would've been a lot more appropriate myself . Criminal?

Get your facts straight. It's ok to be misinformed, it's another to act like you're informed when you don't even care to research and just spew nonsense out. You're a great example of why this country is slowly going down the crapper

Lol, you aren't even worth it. bye

[IndyTrav]

God it is so annoying when people act like they know what they are talking about. You haven't read it so quit acting like you have. You're making yourself look bad. There's no comments about "what players though" there is nothing about how players thought he was this racist out of control bully. No player said that. So it is clear you didn't even read it. It's one thing to state your opinion but quit trying to just make up facts in the fly and pretending you did your homework.

And they didn't hire a private investigator. Wrong again.

They hired a criminal attorney, why criminal? I think a litigator would've been a lot more appropriate myself . Criminal?

Get your facts straight. It's ok to be misinformed, it's another to act like you're informed when you don't even care to research and just spew nonsense out. You're a great example of why this country is slowly going down the crapper

After reading thru this thread....this post is priceless, on so many levels. 

[Naptown Lifer]

Lol, you aren't even worth it. bye

I'll take that as you have no rebuttal to the fact you didn't read the report and presented completely false information

[Indygal1218]

Why is it so hard to believe that people have actually read the report?

[TYhaze]

I'll take that as you have no rebuttal to the fact you didn't read the report and presented completely false information

Nope. I didn't read it. It's all media propaganda that was made to belittle Incognito for being a little racist. There's no detailed accounts of different interviews with several different people, and theres no part anywhere of incognito admitting that he actually did say most of the stuff Martin accused him of. The media obviously created this report just to make people call for Incognito's head even more. 

 

[Naptown Lifer]

It is objective. And you saying you haven't read it just further proves my point. It constantly shows what many players thought throughout the whole thing, so instead of asking me to, how about you take about a minute to read a page or two before even replying?

 

And no, this report isn't just to make fans happy. If you think that, you're just plain ignorant. Again, the NFL hired a private investigator to do this, and it's really well put together.

 wrong

This is why I don't believe people read it. Because they just make things up. It constantly shows what players thought throughout the whole thing...hmmm we'll that's interesting g because all the players said incognito didn't do anything too bad, and how does it show what players thought without having any direct quotes from named players about it?

How can you claim to have read something that shows what the players thought, when there is no quotes from the players named

[Naptown Lifer]

Why is it so hard to believe that people have actually read the report?

Because they struggle to come up with any substance from the article besides the most publicized piece from the trainer, and when first asked they wouldn't provide anything wijthout time to put in a fast google search for quotes, and even then couldn't address my main point which was

Why don't the players speak out against mr racist if they are all black?

Then Dustin who read the report says you aren't going to get players named speaking out about this

And mr t.y haze comes along and says the report confirms what the players thought all along even though Dustin said thee were no quotes from named players

So someone didn't read the report and is pretending to because the two people saying they read it have said completely opposite things. Can't have it both ways

[Indygal1218]

Just a little homework from someone who hasn't read the full report:  The people hired by the NFL are litigation attorneys.

 

Facts are not that hard to come by when one does a little reading.  I recommend it be tried sometime.

 

 

From nfldolphinsreport.com:

 

On November 6, 2013, the National Football League announced that Ted Wells and the law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP had been retained to direct an independent investigation into workplace conduct at the Miami Dolphins and prepare a public report for the Commissioner.

 

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP is a law firm headquartered on Sixth Avenue in New York City. The firm has an well-established background in corporate, personal representation, entertainment law and litigation practices.

 

 

 

From paulweiss.com:

 

Theodore  V. Wells Jr. Partner
New York 212-373-3089 twells@paulweiss.com

LITIGATIONFCPAINTERNAL INVESTIGATIONSPRODUCT LIABILITYM&A LITIGATIONPROFESSIONAL LIABILITYSECURITIES LITIGATIONWHITE COLLAR CRIME & REGULATORY DEFENSE

[Naptown Lifer]

Just a little homework from someone who hasn't read the full report:  The people hired by the NFL are litigation attorneys.

 

Facts are not that hard to come by when one does a little reading.  I recommend it be tried sometime.

 

 

From nfldolphinsreport.com:

 

On November 6, 2013, the National Football League announced that Ted Wells and the law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP had been retained to direct an independent investigation into workplace conduct at the Miami Dolphins and prepare a public report for the Commissioner.

 

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP is a law firm headquartered on Sixth Avenue in New York City. The firm has an well-established background in corporate, personal representation, entertainment law and litigation practices.

 

 

 

From paulweiss.com:

 

Theodore  V. Wells Jr.

Partner

New York

212-373-3089

twells@paulweiss.com

LITIGATIONFCPAINTERNAL INVESTIGATIONSPRODUCT LIABILITYM&A LITIGATIONPROFESSIONAL LIABILITYSECURITIES LITIGATIONWHITE COLLAR CRIME & REGULATORY DEFENSE

The media called them criminal attorneys

You realize law firms have a variety of attorneys ranging from criminal, litigators/personal injury, business/tax guys etc

I hope you also realize at the very bottom It says the lawyer who conducted the report is a criminal defense attorney as we'll but good job

I didn't realize he was also a litigator because the media said a criminal attorney conducted the case but I should've figured because many attorneys specialize in 2 things

So get your facts straight, the guy above you are defending said he was a private investigator anyways lol

Thanks for furthering my point people just spew stuff and act like they areinformed

[Naptown Lifer]

Just a little homework from someone who hasn't read the full report:  The people hired by the NFL are litigation attorneys.

 

Facts are not that hard to come by when one does a little reading.  I recommend it be tried sometime.

 

 

From nfldolphinsreport.com:

 

On November 6, 2013, the National Football League announced that Ted Wells and the law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP had been retained to direct an independent investigation into workplace conduct at the Miami Dolphins and prepare a public report for the Commissioner.

 

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP is a law firm headquartered on Sixth Avenue in New York City. The firm has an well-established background in corporate, personal representation, entertainment law and litigation practices.

 

 

 

From paulweiss.com:

 

Theodore  V. Wells Jr.

Partner

New York

212-373-3089

twells@paulweiss.com

LITIGATIONFCPAINTERNAL INVESTIGATIONSPRODUCT LIABILITYM&A LITIGATIONPROFESSIONAL LIABILITYSECURITIES LITIGATIONWHITE COLLAR CRIME & REGULATORY DEFENSE

Maybe if you take you're own advice and read everything you wouldn't make yourself look so foolish when it says he's also a criminal attorney at the bottom of the page

[Franklin County]

Maybe if you take you're own advice and read everything you wouldn't make yourself look so foolish when it says he's also a criminal attorney at the bottom of the page

So did you drive your motor home to Miami, so as to keep up with this story. Or are you still in Texas?

[Dustin]

So did you drive your motor home to Miami, so as to keep up with this story. Or are you still in Texas?

 

that guy actually posts under a different username now. It;s like Beauragarde or something

[Naptown Lifer]

So did you drive your motor home to Miami, so as to keep up with this story. Or are you still in Texas?

Funny? I actually am in florida though

[TYhaze]

Because they struggle to come up with any substance from the article besides the most publicized piece from the trainer, and when first asked they wouldn't provide anything wijthout time to put in a fast google search for quotes, and even then couldn't address my main point which was

Why don't the players speak out against mr racist if they are all black?

Then Dustin who read the report says you aren't going to get players named speaking out about this

And mr t.y haze comes along and says the report confirms what the players thought all along even though Dustin said thee were no quotes from named players

So someone didn't read the report and is pretending to because the two people saying they read it have said completely opposite things. Can't have it both ways

Never did i say that players were quoted saying things and their opinions on the matter. But a large part of the report is constructed through the views and ideas of the players in the locker room, including texts between Incognito, Pouncey, Martin and other players on the offensive line. Most of these i can't copy and past into here because it is a family friendly forum. Specifically, players aren't named, like Dustin said, but please look at this small part:

 

 

 

"Other members of the Dolphins offensive line in 2012 and 2013 told us that they had heard vulgar language used frequently. Most of them reported that they did not believe that Martin had been singled out for harsher treatment and that, in general, they did not believe that vulgar language was used on the offensive line to harm or demean. A few players said that they believed that Martin was treated better than other rookies because he was a starter, and they reported that other linemen, specifically Nate Garner and Josh Samuda, seemed to “get it worse.” Some linemen recalled hearing comments about Martin’s sister, but most denied hearing such remarks made frequently.

On the other hand, several linemen, whose statements we credited, corroborated Martin’s account that he routinely had been spoken to harshly and said they understood why he was offended. And several players we interviewed from other units on the team suggested that the vulgar language Martin complained about was over the top and was not common elsewhere among the Dolphins."

 

Any way you look at it, the situation isn't good. Like i said before, this report heavily cites what other players thought of the culture, and it presents views from both sides of the story. Quit acting condescending and demeaning when you yourself only nitpick with the fact that i said he was a private investigator.

[Naptown Lifer]

Never did i say that players were quoted saying things and their opinions on the matter. But a large part of the report is constructed through the views and ideas of the players in the locker room, including texts between Incognito, Pouncey, Martin and other players on the offensive line. Most of these i can't copy and past into here because it is a family friendly forum. Specifically, players aren't named, like Dustin said, but please look at this small part:

 

 

 

"Other members of the Dolphins offensive line in 2012 and 2013 told us that they had heard vulgar language used frequently. Most of them reported that they did not believe that Martin had been singled out for harsher treatment and that, in general, they did not believe that vulgar language was used on the offensive line to harm or demean. A few players said that they believed that Martin was treated better than other rookies because he was a starter, and they reported that other linemen, specifically Nate Garner and Josh Samuda, seemed to “get it worse.” Some linemen recalled hearing comments about Martin’s sister, but most denied hearing such remarks made frequently.

On the other hand, several linemen, whose statements we credited, corroborated Martin’s account that he routinely had been spoken to harshly and said they understood why he was offended. And several players we interviewed from other units on the team suggested that the vulgar language Martin complained about was over the top and was not common elsewhere among the Dolphins."

 

Any way you look at it, the situation isn't good. Like i said before, this report heavily cites what other players thought of the culture, and it presents views from both sides of the story. Quit acting condescending and demeaning when you yourself only nitpick with the fact that i said he was a private investigator.

So it says un named players thought it wasn't a big deal, and other unnamed players thought it was, wow that is just definitive proof right there.... Especially with all the direct quotes. This just sounds so subjective of what the interviewer thought happened and isn't concrete at all. We don't know what the players thought, this is just the investigators interpretation. This wouldn't hold up in court at all.

How does this confirm what players thought all along when when this first broke everyone said nothing bad happened, and now there's highly conflicting views without even sufficient proof that anyone said those things to jump to those conclusions because there is no quotes.

[TYhaze]

So it says un named players thought it wasn't a big deal, and other unnamed players thought it was, wow that is just definitive proof right there.... Especially with all the direct quotes. This just sounds so subjective of what the interviewer thought happened and isn't concrete at all. We don't know what the players thought, this is just the investigators interpretation. This wouldn't hold up in court at all.

How does this confirm what players thought all along when when this first broke everyone said nothing bad happened, and now there's highly conflicting views without even sufficient proof that anyone said those things to jump to those conclusions because there is no quotes.

It's one part. Go read the rest of it, including the texts. 

[Naptown Lifer]

It is objective. It constantly shows what many players thought throughout the whole thing, g

How can this possibly be an objective analysis of what players thought the whole time with this

Never did i say that players were quoted saying things and their opinions on the matter. But a large part of the report is constructed through the views and ideas of the players in the locker room,

 

 

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. Most of them reported that they did not believe that Martin had been singled out for harsher treatment and that, in general, they did not believe that vulgar language was used on the offensive line to harm or demean.

A few players said that they believed that Martin was treated better than other rookies because he was a starter

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[Naptown Lifer]

It's one part. Go read the rest of it, including the texts.

Oh I did did you?

What about the texts where incognito was supporting martin checking into a mental hospital and supports him and martin volunteers the info, why do that after you left to the big bad wolf?

He had no reason to keep talking to incognito after he left but he did, couldn't have been that bad huh?

And he says oh no drugs for me anymore during season, which shows his use during season, no thanks for all you colts fans that want him don't need another teammate suspended for that makes me kind of useless

[OffensivelyPC]

It would be reasonable for Martin to fear that asking his teammates to stop the harassment would only increase said harassment.

 

They are already making comments about him being a wimp It wouldn't make any sense to think that if he says "Hey guys that makes me uncomfortable" that they would respond with "Oh sorry, didn't mean to make you uncomfortable, we're just having fun, we'll keep it in check, no hard feelings."

 

No that's only going to encourage more of it.   

Don't disagree with you.  It's very possible that I would do nothing.  I guess I'm in the camp that you never know unless you try.  But I don't blame Martin for not trying.

[Indygal1218]

Maybe if you take you're own advice and read everything you wouldn't make yourself look so foolish when it says he's also a criminal attorney at the bottom of the page

Your attempt to make me look and/or feel foolish has failed. Nice try, though. :clap:

[Naptown Lifer]

Your attempt to make me look and/or feel foolish has failed. Nice try, though. :clap:

Oh so it wasn't you that went on a huge rant about how I should learn to read because I said the guy was a criminal attorney, and you said he was a litigator

And then it credited him with being a criminal attorney at the bottom of the page

Nice try though

[Indygal1218]

This is why I don't believe people read it. Because they just make things up. It constantly shows what players thought throughout the whole thing...hmmm we'll that's interesting g because all the players said incognito didn't do anything too bad, and how does it show what players thought without having any direct quotes from named players about it?

How can you claim to have read something that shows what the players thought, when there is no quotes from the players named

If one reads the report, there is actually a section referring to witness privacy. It discusses why players are not named.

But if I understand correctly, you don't think the report is truthful anyway. There's really no point in engaging in any kind of discourse about this topic.

You don't like Martin and don't want the Colts to even consider him. You don't think the bullying story is true and that Martin is just a wimp.

Duly noted.

[Indygal1218]

Oh so it wasn't you that went on a huge rant about how I should learn to read because I said the guy was a criminal attorney, and you said he was a litigator

And then it credited him with being a criminal attorney at the bottom of the page

Nice try though

You quoted me and didn't refer to anyone else. If you mean someone else, perhaps you should refer to that person so that there is no confusion.

[Naptown Lifer]

If one reads the report, there is actually a section referring to witness privacy. It discusses why players are not named.

But if I understand correctly, you don't think the report is truthful anyway. There's really no point in engaging in any kind of discourse about this topic.

You don't like Martin and don't want the Colts to even consider him. You don't think the bullying story is true and that Martin is just a wimp.

Duly noted.

So you gotta find something new to say after the whole "he's a litigation attorney I so smaaaaart" statements I understand. I'm not exaggerating when I say that is the biggest fail I have ever seen on a forum I'm emailing it to everyone and showing people my friend just squirted scotch out his nose reading it just FYI. I don't want you to hurt yourself trying to make witty remarks

Everyone knows where I stand and no one has presented definitive evidence to change my mind. I think people are innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent and that is the direction this country is headed and I'm sick of it.

I have personal reasons as to why I don't believe marti and am biased feel free to pm and maybe you'll at least understand why I am so passionate about it (it's loosely related and doesn't have to do with bullying or racism)

There's nothing definitive in that piece of junk to prove anything. A bunch if contradictory statements. You guys need to learn innocent till proven otherwise because that concept has started to go down the toilet with our society and the media. I don't think a bunch of masked faces saying contradictory statements proves anything definitively if you do then I pray you are not a politician

Everyone knows my stance I'm done defending it feel free to pm

[TYhaze]

So you gotta find something new to say after the whole "he's a litigation attorney I so smaaaaart" statements I understand. I'm not exaggerating when I say that is the biggest fail I have ever seen on a forum I'm emailing it to everyone and showing people my friend just squirted scotch out his nose reading it just FYI. I don't want you to hurt yourself trying to make witty remarks

Everyone knows where I stand and no one has presented definitive evidence to change my mind. I think people are innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent and that is the direction this country is headed and I'm sick of it.

I have personal reasons as to why I don't believe marti and am biased feel free to pm and maybe you'll at least understand why I am so passionate about it (it's loosely related and doesn't have to do with bullying or racism)

There's nothing definitive in that piece of junk to prove anything. A bunch if contradictory statements. You guys need to learn innocent till proven otherwise because that concept has started to go down the toilet with our society and the media. I don't think a bunch of masked faces saying contradictory statements proves anything definitively if you do then I pray you are not a politician

Everyone knows my stance I'm done defending it feel free to pm

You had just criticized me for saying he was a private investigator. lol

[Indygal1218]

So you gotta find something new to say after the whole "he's a litigation attorney I so smaaaaart" statements I understand. I'm not exaggerating when I say that is the biggest fail I have ever seen on a forum I'm emailing it to everyone and showing people my friend just squirted scotch out his nose reading it just FYI. I don't want you to hurt yourself trying to make witty remarks

Everyone knows where I stand and no one has presented definitive evidence to change my mind. I think people are innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent and that is the direction this country is headed and I'm sick of it.

I have personal reasons as to why I don't believe marti and am biased feel free to pm and maybe you'll at least understand why I am so passionate about it (it's loosely related and doesn't have to do with bullying or racism)

There's nothing definitive in that piece of junk to prove anything. A bunch if contradictory statements. You guys need to learn innocent till proven otherwise because that concept has started to go down the toilet with our society and the media. I don't think a bunch of masked faces saying contradictory statements proves anything definitively if you do then I pray you are not a politician

Everyone knows my stance I'm done defending it feel free to pm

I love you. I wanna have your baby.

[Naptown Lifer]

You had just criticized me for saying he was a private investigator. lol

Yep and since you never read let me go back and restate everything

I said they hired a criminal attorney and maybe a litigation attorney was more appropriate

Indy gal responds with a smart butt ""oh maybe if you read they are litigation attorneys!!!" And posted a huge long link about the attorney in question. Sure enough at the very bottom it says he's also a criminal attorney

Now do you understand I'm tired of re explaining old posts so because you don't read them and therefore don't get the context in which I am speaking

[TYhaze]

Yep and since you never read let me go back and restate everything

I said they hired a criminal attorney and maybe a litigation attorney was more appropriate

Indy gal responds with a smart butt ""oh maybe if you read they are litigation attorneys!!!" And posted a huge long link about the attorney in question. Sure enough at the very bottom it says he's also a criminal attorney

Now do you understand I'm tired of re explaining old posts so because you don't read them and therefore don't get the context in which I am speaking

So.. IndyGal does the same thing you did to me and she's a "smart butt"? Come on. You're really grasping now

 

Oh, and the above that's bolded shows how. Correcting* me.

[Naptown Lifer]

So.. IndyGal does the same thing you did to me and she's a "smart butt"? Come on. You're really grasping now

 

Oh, and the above that's bolded shows how. Correcting* me.

Huh

I wasn't chastising her for pointing out who did the report

I was chastising her because she said you should learn how to read or something like that and went on to say how I was wrong about a criminal attorney doing it and posted a link to the attorney which at the bottom credited him with being a criminal attorney (which she was making fun of me for saying a criminal attorney did it)

I don't know how the above bonded shows anything other than I was right but I don't think anyone understands that mumbled garbage you posted trying to sound smart so I. Not going to try to understand what "the above posted bolded shows how correcting me" means

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Name 1 member of the dolphins who came out when this all happened and said they thought Richie was wrong or a racist

You all can just screAm the report but until you post something of substance. I also restated I didn't think martin should not have a job solely because of his drug use but yeah ignore that to further reduce Gabriel's ability to read fluently and comprehend what is read, just what we all need.

Again none of you who want to bash me for speaking out how I feel have addressed the texts between Martin and incognito

I've seen this type of the thing before several times in elementary and middle school, one person is joking, the other is a sensitive wuss, and without sticking up for themselves r saying stop they just pull the rug out from under the person and just screw them so bad

In martins case it's probably because he was mentally unstable and insecure to begin with, and he wasn't going to leave the dolphins and say "yeah guys I'm unstable and insecure and want to kill myself" because that would end his career. Instead he yanked the rug from Ritchie and made his bad jokes THAt THEY BOTH participated in and make him out to be a racist biggot

Until you have read the report you have 0 credibility on this subject and your opinion should be taken as uninformed.

[Naptown Lifer]

Until you have read the report you have 0 credibility on this subject and your opinion should be taken as uninformed.

If you think reading the report makes you informed about what happened you are sadly mistaken. The only ones who know are in that locker room. A lot of people here who "read the report" seemed to contradict each other's statements and shows they didn't read it or are lying or manipulating what's in the report to fit their agenda. I didn't know credibility Was measured on a number scale? Wow. And I don't think that report should automatically make all other evidence that supports my views null and void. You can choose to think that. People have also posted direct quotes from the report that indicate the majority of people of the dolphins believe nothing bad happened, and since the guy thinks it's best not to use names I don't feel as if the report is credible at all.

How can you sit here and say that withouth using names it isn't at least possible he literally made everything up. You can't. So screw the report. As stated above innocent till proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. And saying well I had to keep everyone's names out but some guys said this some guys said that etc doesn't prove anything to me it's very opinionated.

I have no opinion because I didn't read it wow. That's like saying a colts fan wrote an article about the patriots explaining why the colts are a better team and I said I'm not going to read it because I think it's bias and you say I have zero credibility to say who's better because I didn't read a bias, opinionated, no sources cited, article. Fail as usual

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

If you think reading the report makes you informed about what happened you are sadly mistaken. The only ones who know are in that locker room. A lot of people here who "read the report" seemed to contradict each other's statements and shows they didn't read it or are lying or manipulating what's in the report to fit their agenda. I didn't know credibility Was measured on a number scale? Wow. And I don't think that report should automatically make all other evidence that supports my views null and void. You can choose to think that. People have also posted direct quotes from the report that indicate the majority of people of the dolphins believe nothing bad happened, and since the guy thinks it's best not to use names I don't feel as if the report is credible at all.

How can you sit here and say that withouth using names it isn't at least possible he literally made everything up. You can't. So screw the report. As stated above innocent till proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. And saying well I had to keep everyone's names out but some guys said this some guys said that etc doesn't prove anything to me it's very opinionated.

I have no opinion because I didn't read it wow. That's like saying a colts fan wrote an article about the patriots explaining why the colts are a better team and I said I'm not going to read it because I think it's bias and you say I have zero credibility to say who's better because I didn't read a bias, opinionated, no sources cited, article. Fail as usual

Oh No, you definitely have an opinion. I mean that No one should take it seriously and if they do entertain it, then take it with a salt shaker full of salt..

[Naptown Lifer]

Oh No, you definitely have an opinion. I mean that No one should take it seriously and if they do entertain it, then take it with a salt shaker full of salt..

I try to backup my opinions with logic and reasoning but that is something you don't understand so it explains why you feel that way

The same could be said by the majority of people who posted here, I highly doubt anyone besides maybe a couple people actually read the 144 page report but I see you didn't bother to say anything to them. I just don't bite on everything right away and take a step back and look at things with common sense. There was a lot of conflict with the report and martins texts that showed a lot of members of the dolphins organization didn't believe Richie did anything wrong. If it was that bad I think people would be coming out of the wood work complaining.

You haven't posted anything of substance here to back your beliefs just mob mentality " your right get em" non sense that is just pointless to even argue or even better your opinion is not credible because you did the same thing everyone else who has the same opinion as myself did" did you read the report? For all you know it could be a bunch of garbage like the 9/11 commission or Kennedy assignation report, but you'd rather come on here and make intelligent comments such as lol and your I opinon is not credible cool tired of seeing it, tired of you trying to seem witty all the time, and tired of you just ignoring logic and facts I present and making a 7 year old argument that I'm wrong just because hahahahaha . You are now on ignore have a nice life

[ColtsBlueFL]

We'll since you ALL have read the 144 page report within 24 hours it should be pretty easy for someone to come up with a BUNCH of quotes from players saying Richie was wrong or a big got. Or is the reading comprehension on this site really that bad.

Should be pretty fresh in your head to give a quote from a named source. If I read 144 pages of something in 18 hours it'd be pretty fresh in my head.

You can keep giving these vague generality like, oh go read it yourself you don't know, or we'll mike pouncy was guilty too so no one supports him, but until I hear some kind of substance I don't have any reason to believe it sorry

Not all were quoted publicly for this reason-

 

"In some cases, witnesses specifically asked that their identities remain 

confidential—a few even seemed to fear potential retaliation for cooperating with our 

inquiry—and we honored their requests. The NFLPA was sensitive to the privacy 

concerns expressed by some witnesses and was helpful in obtaining the necessary 

cooperation. We hope that by demonstrating sensitivity to issues of privacy and requests 

for confidentiality, we will encourage witnesses to cooperate with any future 

investigations by the NFL (unconnected with this matter) that may result in public 

reports. "

 

But are on record.  Also there's this-

 

"A few players said that they believed that Martin was treated better than other 

rookies because he was a starter, and they reported that other linemen, specifically Nate 

Garner and Josh Samuda, seemed to “get it worse.” Some linemen recalled hearing 

comments about Martin’s sister, but most denied hearing such remarks made frequently. 

On the other hand, several linemen, whose statements we credited, 

corroborated Martin’s account that he routinely had been spoken to harshly and said they 

understood why he was offended. And several players we interviewed from other units 

on the team suggested that the vulgar language Martin complained about was over the top 

and was not common elsewhere among the Dolphins. "

 

I'm not going to go through finding all the things I had read again tonight, but everyone was interviewed, some twice or more and all statements were either backed up with evidence and deemed credible or not backed up and considered not as trustworthy. I' don't feel it members obligation to do your homework and re-read the report and show you things you demand.  You really should just go through it yourself and discuss the particulars with folks.

[Naptown Lifer]

Not all were quoted publicly for this reason-

 

"In some cases, witnesses specifically asked that their identities remain 

confidential—a few even seemed to fear potential retaliation for cooperating with our 

inquiry—and we honored their requests. The NFLPA was sensitive to the privacy 

concerns expressed by some witnesses and was helpful in obtaining the necessary 

cooperation. We hope that by demonstrating sensitivity to issues of privacy and requests 

for confidentiality, we will encourage witnesses to cooperate with any future 

investigations by the NFL (unconnected with this matter) that may result in public 

reports. "

 

But are on record.  Also there's this-

 

"A few players said that they believed that Martin was treated better than other 

rookies because he was a starter, and they reported that other linemen, specifically Nate 

Garner and Josh Samuda, seemed to “get it worse.” Some linemen recalled hearing 

comments about Martin’s sister, but most denied hearing such remarks made frequently. 

On the other hand, several linemen, whose statements we credited, 

corroborated Martin’s account that he routinely had been spoken to harshly and said they 

understood why he was offended. And several players we interviewed from other units 

on the team suggested that the vulgar language Martin complained about was over the top 

and was not common elsewhere among the Dolphins. "

 

I'm not going to go through finding all the things I had read again tonight, but everyone was interviewed, some twice or more and all statements were either backed up with evidence and deemed credible or not backed up and considered not as trustworthy. I' don't feel it members obligation to do your homework and re-read the report and show you things you demand.  You really should just go through it yourself and discuss the particulars with folks.

Say something I haven't already addressed multiple times

[ColtsBlueFL]

Say something I haven't already addressed multiple times

 

Repeating the same tired argument does not make you correct.  Some people have read it. 140+ pages of verified fact incriminating Incognito, Jerry, and Pouncey.  Only a few paragraphs supporting him - who knows, possibly members of the CYA posse, I assume.  Other lineman players came out against Incognito, just asked not to be named publicly, but they are in the report, just not the public portion.

[buccolts]

I love you. I wanna have your baby.

He can have his own baby, as far as I'm concerned.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

I try to backup my opinions with logic and reasoning but that is something you don't understand so it explains why you feel that way

The same could be said by the majority of people who posted here, I highly doubt anyone besides maybe a couple people actually read the 144 page report but I see you didn't bother to say anything to them. I just don't bite on everything right away and take a step back and look at things with common sense. There was a lot of conflict with the report and martins texts that showed a lot of members of the dolphins organization didn't believe Richie did anything wrong. If it was that bad I think people would be coming out of the wood work complaining.

You haven't posted anything of substance here to back your beliefs just mob mentality " your right get em" non sense that is just pointless to even argue or even better your opinion is not credible because you did the same thing everyone else who has the same opinion as myself did" did you read the report? For all you know it could be a bunch of garbage like the 9/11 commission or Kennedy assignation report, but you'd rather come on here and make intelligent comments such as lol and your I opinon is not credible cool tired of seeing it, tired of you trying to seem witty all the time, and tired of you just ignoring logic and facts I present and making a 7 year old argument that I'm wrong just because hahahahaha . You are now on ignore have a nice life

My lord you are stupid. reading 140 web pages doesn't take much time. this is a legal investigation not some crackheads opinion piece. Stop being a ninny and read what is presented In front of you.

[ColtsBlueFL]

Naptown lifer sad:  "There's nothing definitive in that piece of junk to prove anything. A bunch if contradictory statements. You guys need to learn innocent till proven otherwise because that concept has started to go down the toilet with our society and the media. I don't think a bunch of masked faces saying contradictory statements proves anything definitively if you do then I pray you are not a politician "

 

Pardon to bust your bubble, but that report is not an idctment,  but a verdict.  Commissioner Goodell can and will act on it.  He can hand out punishments as deemed necessary because of the verdict placed in his hands.  Now if the parties want to go to court, they can.  Here's a couple sites abotu that-

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9932264/florida-law-provide-big-payday-jonathan-martin-sue-miami-dolphins-richie-incognito

 

http://blogs.findlaw.com/tarnished_twenty/2013/11/miami-dolphins-hazing-invesigation-what-if-jonathan-martin-sues.html

 

Wells likely has given Martin enough to assemble and present a case with Clear and Convincing evidence.  The NFL must step up and meet out penalties and punishments to shield them from liability, ad possibly even prevent Martin from filing in the first place.  But if he does, that is where the innocent until proven guilty comes in.  As far as the NFL, the report convicted Incognito and 2 others.  Incognito doesn't deny most everything in it.