Colts Eagles trade

[throwing BBZ]

Eagles fan here.  Great trade for you guys, if your OC actually commits to using a FB.  Havili came in as a 230 lb. FB, who didn't really block that much in college.  He picked it up almost instantly, and also got up to around 250 lbs.  Good runner, good receiver, good blocker, good special teamer, and a good guy.  The only reason he didn't make a bigger impact last year was Reid's horrible mismanagement of personnel.  The only reason he got traded is that he's built like a real FB; Chip Kelly is known to like H-backs who can create mismatches in the passing game.  

 

Can you tell me something about Geathers? 

 

 Geathers didn`t play a lot. But he held up very well at the point of attack and got off his blockers. Lots of upside. There is a reason your guys wanted him.

 He could be a solid starter someday. Hopefully this helped grease the wheels for future business with the Eagles.

[Coltswarriors]

Colts basically gave up nothing for a need in our new offense. Geathers would have been buried behind many guys we acquired this offseason.

 

I like the trade, glad we gave up no picks.

[corgi]

Good trade. I wish Geathers the best.

[Dustin]

Here's an article if anybody is interested:

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/10/5/3461610/stanley-havili-coming-on-strong

[Fx Stryker]

The new, punisher tattoo-less Luke Lawton!? 

 

I wonder if he is on a team.

[EaglesTodd]

 Geathers didn`t play a lot. But he held up very well at the point of attack and got off his blockers. Lots of upside. There is a reason your guys wanted him.

 He could be a solid starter someday. Hopefully this helped grease the wheels for future business with the Eagles.

 

Sounds good.  We have been waiting for long, athletic defenders here for years.  Hopefully it works out.

 

Slightly off topic but Colts-Eagles trade related:  what do you guys think of Jeremy Maclin?  There's some speculation that guy might end up being Maclin.

[Dustin]

Sounds good. We have been waiting for long, athletic defenders here for years. Hopefully it works out.

Slightly off topic but Colts-Eagles trade related: what do you guys think of Jeremy Maclin? There's some speculation that guy might end up being Maclin.

I was personally hoping we traded our 3rd for Maclin.

[PrincetonTiger]

Here's an article if anybody is interested:

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/10/5/3461610/stanley-havili-coming-on-strong

nice article

[backshoulderfade]

How does this affect the cap?

[throwing BBZ]

Sounds good.  We have been waiting for long, athletic defenders here for years.  Hopefully it works out.

 

Slightly off topic but Colts-Eagles trade related:  what do you guys think of Jeremy Maclin?  There's some speculation that guy might end up being Maclin.

 

 Maclin is generally liked as someone that would be a nice add. He definitely fits the mold of what Grigson has been adding. Experienced & young.

 There is significant comment about his injury history.

 

 From a eagles fan site.

 

We havent heard the last : Of Havili…. he was blowing people up by season’s end…

by ShadyMcVickFactor on Mar 28, 2013 | 2:05 PMreply

Colts have Nuthin' in our backfield as a Good pass blocker. Sounds like Havili could be the man for that at times, as he is also considered a good pass catcher.

Sounds good to me.

[Buck Showalter]

Sounds likea solid trade...

[Balzer40]

I really liked Geathers. Thought he showed some promise when he got to play, but I guess he would have been buried on the depth chart so I can see the logic in the trade.

[HtownColt]

Havili should.

I doubt it, but we will see

[MarquisJ]

hes 245

Hardly a fullback listed at 225lbs??

[Nobody]

I doubt it, but we will see

Then who do we have at FB??

[Valpo2004]

Fullbacks are underrated.  It's especially useful that he's a good pass catching FB.  Could help give Luck a guy to throw it to that could gain a few yards if he can't find anyone open deeper.  

[Clamdigger]

Eagles fan here. You guys got a heck of a deal.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LZ03OZ8SWk

 

This kid is a phenomenal run blocker. Watch the "highlight" of Vick fumbling in the end zone. That's Havili (39) pushing his guy 5 yards in to the end zone.

[PrincetonTiger]

Then who do we have at FB??

the only other FB on the roster is Robert Hughes

[HtownColt]

Then who do we have at FB??

Don't see us fully using one, being that pep used a tight end for his fullback at Stanford, so Dwayne Allen and whoever is going to be the 3rd string tight end, still run more single back stuff with three tight ends on the field, stuff like that

[HtownColt]

In other news Linkenbach signed his tender:

@mchappell51: #colts get FB Stanley Havili in trade with Philly. Ship Eagles DL Clifton Geathers. OL Jeff Linkenbach signs restricted tender ($1.323 mil)

[Franklin County]

Grigs strikes again. Great pickup. May free up Allen or Fleener to get out in space if the kid blocks that good.

[Nobody]

Don't see us fully using one, being that pep used a tight end for his fullback at Stanford, so Dwayne Allen and whoever is going to be the 3rd string tight end, still run more single back stuff with three tight ends on the field, stuff like that

We can't take Allen away from TE, where he is so effective.

[HtownColt]

We can't take Allen away from TE, where he is so effective.

And we won't, majority of the time he will be a TE. I just see us running out of more 3 TE sets with one back than a FB, and when we do use a. FB it will be a TE in Allen or Saunders or Hughes, Mario Harvey in the redzone, or somebody else to give a guy a breather. We are only going to have a FB on the field for so many plays so we won't be taking away from Allen at all, just utilizing everything he brings to the table

[Nobody]

And we won't, majority of the time he will be a TE. I just see us running out of more 3 TE sets with one back than a FB, and when we do use a. FB it will be a TE in Allen or Saunders or Hughes, Mario Harvey in the redzone, or somebody else to give a guy a breather. We are only going to have a FB on the field for so many plays so we won't be taking away from Allen at all, just utilizing everything he brings to the table

You think Hughes will make it over Havili? No way.

[PrincetonTiger]

You think Hughes will make it over Havili? No way.

agreed

 

 

We did a lot of the H Back sets after Hughes went on the IR

[itmustbejj]

And we won't, majority of the time he will be a TE. I just see us running out of more 3 TE sets with one back than a FB, and when we do use a. FB it will be a TE in Allen or Saunders or Hughes, Mario Harvey in the redzone, or somebody else to give a guy a breather. We are only going to have a FB on the field for so many plays so we won't be taking away from Allen at all, just utilizing everything he brings to the table

 

If the FO just traded for a fullback, it's possible they see it differently than you do.

[Colts_Fan12]

I like this trade the way everyone is talking about his blocking and pas catching makes me excited to see him play

[HtownColt]

You think Hughes will make it over Havili? No way.

Dude you never even see Havili play except for a couple games so how can you say that? It doesn't even have to be Hughes, I don't see us using a true fullback at all, I see Allen, the 3rd tight end whoever that might become, and Mario Harvey in the redzone filling the FB role when we indeed use one

[Balzer40]

Dude you never even see Havili play except for a couple games so how can you say that? It doesn't even have to be Hughes, I don't see us using a true fullback at all, I see Allen, the 3rd tight end whoever that might become, and Mario Harvey in the redzone filling the FB role when we indeed use one

 

 

If we weren't interested in using a FB, why would they just make a trade to get one? Don't really make a lot of sense IMO. I doubt they would trade away a serviceable guy like Geathers just to bring in a guy they never intend on using.

[HtownColt]

If the FO just traded for a fullback, it's possible they see it differently than you do.

That's fine, could be, or they just want to have a fullback in for training camp instead of a ton a D lineman

[HtownColt]

If we weren't interested in using a FB, why would they just make a trade to get one? Don't really make a lot of sense IMO. I doubt they would trade away a serviceable guy like Geathers just to bring in a guy they never intend on using.

Maybe just want to have a FB in for training camp rather than a bulk of d lineman, last year Grigson said we were in fact going to use a FB then a week later got rid of all the FB on the roster, so I would just have to see it in the regular season to believe that we are using a true fullback and not an Hback

[Balzer40]

Maybe just want to have a FB in for training camp rather than a bulk of d lineman

 

 

They could have easily added a FB with an UDFA. Geathers was/is a decent depth guy. We didn't just give him away for camp fodder. JMO.

[PrincetonTiger]

They could have easily added a FB with an UDFA. Geathers was/is a decent depth guy. We didn't just give him away for camp fodder. JMO.

agreed

[HtownColt]

You can when you have, Redding, Mathews, Heard, Chapman, Guy, McKinney, Tevasue, Francios, Moala, Nevis, I'm probably leaving out one or two. You can afford to do that. You have to have a certain amount of people at every position to play these preseason games. Right now we had a ton of d lineman and not enough people who could play the FB role in training camp and preseason

[Scott Pennock]

http://legacy.philadelphiaeagles.com/eagles_files/html/havili_1.html

 

Check out the bottom right hand corner and read what LeSean McCoy has to say about his lead blocker! 

[itmustbejj]

Maybe just want to have a FB in for training camp rather than a bulk of d lineman, last year Grigson said we were in fact going to use a FB then a week later got rid of all the FB on the roster, so I would just have to see it in the regular season to believe that we are using a true fullback and not an Hback

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but we traded our ONLY fullback on the roster, Chris Gronkowski, for Cassius Vaughn because our CB depth was atrocious. I  know Vaughn is the new Tim Jennings (not in a good way) on the forum, but I still call that a solid trade. I wouldn't necessarily say that was Grigs backstepping on the plan to use a fullback, but probably him striking a deal where he saw value.

 

Edit: Oh yeah and.....Spider 2 Y-Banana.

[Kyle]

Correct me if I'm wrong but we traded our ONLY fullback on the roster, Chris Gronkowski, for Cassius Vaughn because our CB depth was atrocious.

 

all you had to do was read the thread b4 posting and you would know you are wrong...

[Kyle]

all I really know about Havili is he is young and has good stats and A potential on Madden 13

[HtownColt]

Correct me if I'm wrong but we traded our ONLY fullback on the roster, Chris Gronkowski, for Cassius Vaughn because our CB depth was atrocious. I know Vaughn is the new Tim Jennings (not in a good way) on the forum, but I still call that a solid trade. I wouldn't necessarily say that was Grigs backstepping on the plan to use a fullback, but probably him striking a deal where he saw value.

Edit: Oh yeah and.....Spider 2 Y-Banana.

He also had cut Ryan Mahaffey and TE/FB Brody Eldridge

[itmustbejj]

He also had cut Ryan Mahaffey and TE/FB Brody Eldridge

 

Ah yeah Mahaffey was the guy I was missing, thanks. Eldridge kind of fit the role you are envisioning of the 3rd TE that is brought in to spell as a FB.

 

 

 

all you had to do was read the thread b4 posting and you would know you are wrong...

 

If you are referring to Hughes ( I did read the thread). He was first signed to the practice squad in October 2012, the trade was in May. I said "Correct me if I'm wrong" because I felt like I could be missing someone, and Mahaffey was the guy.