Is anyone else surprised that Freeney isn't signed yet?

[SilentHill]

I gotta be honest, probably the most prolific pass rusher of the last decade, and I haven't even heard anything about him in Free Agency. Anyone have any news?

[bahhummbug]

No and why would anyone add him?He has steadily declined over past years time to retire him

[Mameluc]

market for pass rushers was down it seemed...it took the supposed best edge rusher 2 days and it was only a 2 year deal. 

 

barwin just signed also.

[tonychen]

market for pass rushers was down it seemed...it took the supposed best edge rusher 2 days and it was only a 2 year deal. 

 

barwin just signed also.

 

with whom?

[Mameluc]

with whom?

eagles

[SilentHill]

No and why would anyone add him?He has steadily declined over past years time to retire him

 

He was still really good in  a 4-3.

[CR91]

he'll sign somewhere. probably the bears or falcons

[Fx Stryker]

Telling you he is waiting on the Doom and Broncos situation. 

[bahhummbug]

He was still really good in  a 4-3.

he had already started to decline before last year so did you miss the part of old and declining or did you just think in 3-4?He has declined even in 4-3 and is absolutely worthless in 3-4

[tonychen]

he had already started to decline before last year so did you miss the part of old and declining or did you just think in 3-4?He has declined even in 4-3 and is absolutely worthless in 3-4

 

He was not necessarily declining but he was definitely a one-dimensional 4-3 DE. Only shining in 3rd-and-long situations, his numbers declined in 2010 when Manning struggled to give team big leads, in 2011 the team were always trailing, and in 2012 the team switched to 3-4. He does only one thing extremely well but that is still only one thing that he does.

[bahhummbug]

He was not necessarily declining but he was definitely a one-dimensional 4-3 DE. Only shining in 3rd-and-long situations, his numbers declined in 2010 when Manning struggled to give team big leads, in 2011 the team were always trailing, and in 2012 the team switched to 3-4. He does only one thing extremely well but that is still only one thing that he does.

In 2010 10 sacks in 2011 8.5 sacks in 2012 5 sacks he was already declining in 2009 13.5 sacks so it wasnt last year it was the last 3.And his Total tackles 2010 25 2011 19  2012 12 

[throwing BBZ]

He should have been getting limited playing time several years ago.

Just a terrible liability in the running game. What is new, we have had bad run D most all of his career.
He, like Clark, was a product of Mannings ability. Tamme proved that.
 

[tonychen]

In 2010 10 sacks in 2011 8.5 sacks in 2012 5 sacks he was already declining in 2009 13.5 sacks so it wasnt last year it was the last 3.And his Total tackles 2010 25 2011 19  2012 12 

 

So you see the numbers started to drop in 2010? Exactly my explanation to the situations he faced. I bet he could still post big numbers with Manning at Broncos, but he has always been a liability in run defense.

[dgambill]

I don't see anyone willing to go more than a year on him....2 tops...and we are talking the 3-4 million range. He is a situational pass rusher now. Denver is possible...Atl is probable. He is going to have to wait his turn...he has a big name....but no longer big game.

[ReMeDy]

He should have been getting limited playing time several years ago.

Just a terrible liability in the running game. What is new, we have had bad run D most all of his career.

He, like Clark, was a product of Mannings ability. Tamme proved that.

 

 

I'm not surprised Freeney hasn't been picked up. He is an extremely situational 4-3 outside pass rusher, high in the age department, expensive, and is known to have several glaring weaknesses at stopping the run. His patented spin move is awful in run situations, because it causes Freeney to momentarily turn his back to the o-lineman, compromising his vision. Because he is an outside pass rusher, he over-extends himself, so good HB's can run it right between the B-Gap and go untouched. Freeney used to have a fierce bull rush, which was more suitable for runs, but he seems to lack the strength he once had.

 

Freeney has to be more accommodating in his contract. Someone will eventually pick him up, but right now he's more risk than reward.

[Pombi9]

He should have been getting limited playing time several years ago.

Just a terrible liability in the running game. What is new, we have had bad run D most all of his career.

He, like Clark, was a product of Mannings ability. Tamme proved that.

 

You are comparing Freeney not finding work to Clark who found a new job immediately after leaving Indy? I am confused.

[bayone]

Telling you he is waiting on the Doom and Broncos situation. 

DEFINITELY

 

 

Dumervil is a better football player than 33-year-old free agent Dwight Freeney. While Freeney is a down-and-distance specialist at this point in his career, he fits the Denver budget.

 

By no later than 1:59 p.m. Friday, Dumervil will either take a pay cut or be gone from the Broncos.

Read more:Kiszla: Elvis Dumervil's clock is ticking, but Broncos aren't budging - The Denver Posthttp://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_22793794/kiszla-elvis-dumervils-clock-is-ticking-broncos#ixzz2NbH6pQ00

 

& watch, if Doom leaves he becomes a Patriot, Thats Irony

 

Now if Doom goes, where does he go? Patriots fans had their worse dreams realized when Welker signed a deal to play with Manning. Well, with a boat load of cap space, no deals as of yet, and a need for a scheme versatile DE/OLB, Doom very well could end up a Patriot. That makes our next meeting with the *s in the regular season so, SO, much more interesting!

 

http://www.milehighreport.com/2013/3/14/4106464/2013-denver-broncos-free-agency-a-closer-look

[bayone]

Re Doom I believe its mountain time when say By no later than 1:59 p.m. Friday, Dumervil will either take a pay cut or be gone from the Broncos.

 

 

Telling you he is waiting on the Doom and Broncos situation. 

[IndyTrav]

You are comparing Freeney not finding work to Clark who found a new job immediately after leaving Indy? I am confused.

Actually it took awhile for Clark, it was late May when he finally found a job. He was unemployed for 2 months after Free Agency began. 

[bayone]

abraham still out there too & will meet with Pats

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/03/14/john-abraham-adrian-wilson-new-england-patriots/1989541/

 

Telling you he is waiting on the Doom and Broncos situation. 

 

 

Actually it took awhile for Clark, it was late May when he finally found a job. He was unemployed for 2 months after Free Agency began. 

[IcEWoLF]

4-3 teams are pretty much set.

Vet min him.

[A Lot A Luck]

Hate to say it... but he's meeting with the Pats today 

[Coltman51]

Just heard that also,  meeting with the Pats.   May sign and not make the cut,  will be a limited field time with Belicheck I am sure.  Hopefully he finds something as he still wants to play.

[chad72]

I dont know about you guys but my gut tells me there might be a bit of collusion amongst owners. In this passing league, CBs and pass rushers are most coveted. But for pass rushers like John Abraham and Dwight Freeney to remain unsigned for the longest time, it suggests to me that there may be some collusion to refrain from throwing money at pass rushers.

 

If it were just Freeney and Abraham in their 30s, it is one thing. But if it happens to Cliff Avril too, one has to wonder.

[The Fish]

I think when he goes back to DE on a team of NE's caliber, some of the critics of him around here are going to be proven wrong. (for a season or two more)

He should of never been moved to OLB in the first place.

[throwing BBZ]

You are comparing Freeney not finding work to Clark who found a new job immediately after leaving Indy? I am confused.

 

 You are not confused, you are Lost.

 Once again, Irsay was bragging when he paid Clark as the highest paid TE in the League.

The guy only had two good years and one so so, and he couldn`t block his shadow.

 Clark had 47 catches last season, the 4th best in a 10 year career.

 career avg. 47 catches 532 yards a season. Yet a household name.

  Freeney never helped setting the edge against the run. All out pass rush our opponents clearly game planned for.

Our opponents had 5 yards many times a game, year after year they could count on.

 Our opponents came into games knowing they likely needed 30 points to beat the Colts, so they ended up HAVING to pass more than they would want.

 On a less prolific scoring team, Freeney would have been a more rotational type player, playing fewer plays on 1st down.

 Clearly Freeney has ankle issues. How many games can he play before one gets tweaked.

 His bull rush is not effective like it once was, and he isn`t as fast as he used to be.

 As long as his ankles are good, he can still get after it pretty well in a something and long situation.

 The Big IF!

 What do you pay the old man for 25 plays a game. The more he plays the better for the opponent. JMO.

 Love to see him go to NE or Denver.

[throwing BBZ]

I think when he goes back to DE on a team of NE's caliber, some of the critics of him around here are going to be proven wrong. (for a season or two more)

He should of never been moved to OLB in the first place.

 

 

I think when he goes back to DE on a team of NE's caliber, some of the critics of him around here are going to be proven wrong. (for a season or two more)

He should of never been moved to OLB in the first place.

 

Agree, he should have been cut. That $14M could have been used so we didn`t have to hire several of the bums we got stuck with!

[chad72]

Agree, he should have been cut. That $14M could have been used so we didn`t have to hire several of the bums we got stuck with!

 

 

It was Irsay's way of thanking Freeney, IMO, just like he paid Peyton $23 mil.+ for sitting out in 2011. Irsay, I bet was more influential in Freeney sticking around.

[throwing BBZ]

 Totally agree.
 He is such an Icon in that stadium. Lots of Freeney jerseys when so many were stuck with jerseys of EX Colts.
 Still the Great Freeney to most,
 

 We can all imagine how reviled Irsay would have been to cut him, and  x? whatever if we had a poor pass rush and the 4-12 season most expected.

  :yay:  :yay: The man has made some mistakes, but he warn`t no FU on that one.

You get some cred paying a Hall of Famer, and Dwight is such a class guy and leader, having him in the locker room and on the Field was no doubt a very helpfull part of the very possitive energy that held our team together.

A solid PR move.
From the couch i would have let him go and hired Better New Help to protect Andrew. !
I looked back at last years FA O-Lineman and was very Not impressed!  

[Pombi9]

 You are not confused, you are Lost.

 Once again, Irsay was bragging when he paid Clark as the highest paid TE in the League.

The guy only had two good years and one so so, and he couldn`t block his shadow.

 Clark had 47 catches last season, the 4th best in a 10 year career.

 career avg. 47 catches 532 yards a season. Yet a household name.

  Freeney never helped setting the edge against the run. All out pass rush our opponents clearly game planned for.

Our opponents had 5 yards many times a game, year after year they could count on.

 Our opponents came into games knowing they likely needed 30 points to beat the Colts, so they ended up HAVING to pass more than they would want.

 On a less prolific scoring team, Freeney would have been a more rotational type player, playing fewer plays on 1st down.

 Clearly Freeney has ankle issues. How many games can he play before one gets tweaked.

 His bull rush is not effective like it once was, and he isn`t as fast as he used to be.

 As long as his ankles are good, he can still get after it pretty well in a something and long situation.

 The Big IF!

 What do you pay the old man for 25 plays a game. The more he plays the better for the opponent. JMO.

 Love to see him go to NE or Denver.

" He returned for the playoffs and played very well leading up to the Colts' first SB berth since moving to Indianapolis. In the Colts' three playoff games, he caught a total of 17 passes for 281 yards as a member of the 2006 SB Champion Indianapolis Colts. In the 29-17 victory over the Bears, he caught four passes for 36 yards and rushed the ball once for a 1 yard gain. In 15 starts in 2007 season, Clark had 58 receptions for 616 yards, and a single season team record for a tight end 11 touchdowns.

On February 19, 2008, the Colts placed the Franchise Tag on Clark. The next day, the Colts signed him to a six-year contract extension, with his salary averaging $4.5 million per year ($41 million in total), making him the highest paid tight end in the NFL.

On December 28, 2008, Clark broke the Colts' franchise record, held by Hall of Famer John Mackey, for yards in a season by a tight end (848.) On September 21, 2009, Clark had career high 183 receiving yards and a touchdown in just seven receptions at the MNF match up against Dolphins, this is also the fourth highest receiving yards ever for a  Tight End in NFL history. On November 8, 2009 against the Texans Clark caught 14 balls; a career high for him. On January 3, 2010 against the Buffalo Bills, Clark caught his 100th reception of the season, the second tight end to do so in NFL history. He ended the 2009 season with 100 catches for 1,106 yards and 10 touchdowns."

I think you are the one who is completely lost....

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Clark

[oldunclemark]

'B' has the story..

I think Denver is waiting on the Dumevill pay cut issue.....I still think he's headed to Denver...

[bayone]

'B' has the story..

I think Denver is waiting on the Dumevill pay cut issue.....I still think he's headed to Denver...

 

For Peytons sake & SB RUN  they Need Doom more than Fereeney, he should do better there  than in 3-4 here but not that great in run game and u dont want speedy runners like chales etc cut outside as he over pursuits to QB, or turns back in spin

 

as a situtional rusher can be gtreat pending on also who they may draft

 

Dont know top need now, RB, MID, Rushing DE and move wolfe inside to rush situationally

 

alot of draft rides on Doom staying or not

[IcEWoLF]

The broncos will pick him up if Dumervil doesn't agree to a paycut

[RGIII]

I dont know about you guys but my gut tells me there might be a bit of collusion amongst owners. In this passing league, CBs and pass rushers are most coveted. But for pass rushers like John Abraham and Dwight Freeney to remain unsigned for the longest time, it suggests to me that there may be some collusion to refrain from throwing money at pass rushers.

 

If it were just Freeney and Abraham in their 30s, it is one thing. But if it happens to Cliff Avril too, one has to wonder.

 

This is just silly.  The individual members of the league have such disparate views on spending that they only barely even manage to agree on a CBA when necessary.  You'd never get all of them to engage in that type of collusion, the cheap owners will be cheap and the high rollers will spend as much money as they can get away with.

 

Veterans near the end of their careers (even those with historically great production) typically don't agree to contracts until relatively later in free agency, anyway.  The hot, younger prospects get the most attention and have the most control over the money they commandeer.  The older guys generally have to feel the market out more to establish who is interested and at what price they're interested.  They won't get much out of playing teams off of each other for more money, so it's really just about playing it slow while seeing what opportunities are out there and determining what the best fit is.

[braveheartcolt]

He should have been getting limited playing time several years ago.

Just a terrible liability in the running game. What is new, we have had bad run D most all of his career.

He, like Clark, was a product of Mannings ability. Tamme proved that.

 

Does everything good or bad about the Colts need to revolve around Manning?

[JoKeR]

This sucks, hope he gets a job. I'd like him to finish here BUT it wouldn't be good for us or him. I'd like to see him finish with a good, solid year or 2. Comeback to us later for a 24 hour contract and retire.

[JoKeR]

Does everything good or bad about the Colts need to revolve around Manning?

Right. Did Manning throw it so precisely that Clark could catch with one hand on the regular? Clark had talent as a reciever, ran good routes, great hands, and smart. Clark helped Manning quit a bit too. That's what good teammates do, help each other produce.