Donald Brown

[Smitto]

You know who else played high school football? Al Bundy. For the record that is a JOKE, please don't take it serisouly.

Look I respect people who played football and I am sure on things they proably do know a little more than some fans but I don't think it makes anyone more qualifed to say what they see on the field or not. Several people who didn't play football are very good at picking things up (and not just on a message board) I really doubt John Clayton played football but love him or hate him he is been one of the biggest reports on ESPN for years.

As for Brown, like I've said in the past it's one thing to struggle when all the backs are struggling in the offense. It's another to still struggle when the other backs on the roster are breaking off long runs in the same system. Addai, Carter, Evans, and James have all had very nice runs this pre-season. The only one who realy hsan't is Brown. To me that's a problem. The fact he didn't see the field in the playoff game last year and drafted a back this year (granted to do something different than what Brown does) seems to suggest the Colts have not been pleased with what they have seen from Brown. I think the Colts will give him one more year but if he doesn't produce this year he's going to be out of excuses and probably out of here.

lol is it wrong to say idk who al bundy is? I only implied the playing football part because the game is quite fast, and i find it weird to hear ppl saying that addai doesnt have vision when he was one of the top leading rushers in college. You said he's struggling to break off long runs, thats not true the line is still inconsistent on run downs brown had six carries for 4yds while james had 2atts for 15yds that 15yds came on the one play... Simply means to say that could have been brown its all about that hole opening up and there hasnt been many if any when brown was in... I am not trying to make an excuse for brown cause i would love for carter to take his spot but everytime ive seen a hole open for brown he's taken it every one.

[everybodysgotone]

Instead of running right of his O-lineman and get an extra yard or two, he runs directly into the blocked defender *. You have 3 downs to get 10 yards and that extra yard

or two could be the difference in an extra set of downs or a punt.

He is a soft runner, if he don't have a hole to drive a truck through, he is useless!!!

This particular sequence is inconclusive, at best, regardless of what anyone's opinion of Donald Brown is.

On the bright side, Brown has a career 3.8 ypc (3.6 in 2009 and 3.9 in 2010 with increased touches) w/4 runs over 20 yds & 2 over 40 yds in just 129 attempts in 2010. He also doesn't fumble. The guy showed flashes of improvement last year and appears to have gotten better with his pass defense and run decision making this offseason. All of this while having the opportunity to play behind what will most assuredly be an improved O-line this season. Realistic expectations - if he can get closer to say 160 or 175 carries for 4.0 ypc or better w/10 long runs and improved pass blocking skills....I'd be completely satisfied with his performance. He's also been good as a receiver, and if he can grab between 20-30 balls for 10.0 avg. (below his career avg.) that would help his cause. Let's not foget very affordable.

[GoColts8818]

lol is it wrong to say idk who al bundy is? I only implied the playing football part because the game is quite fast, and i find it weird to hear ppl saying that addai doesnt have vision when he was one of the top leading rushers in college. You said he's struggling to break off long runs, thats not true the line is still inconsistent on run downs brown had six carries for 4yds while james had 2atts for 15yds that 15yds came on the one play... Simply means to say that could have been brown its all about that hole opening up and there hasnt been many if any when brown was in... I am not trying to make an excuse for brown cause i would love for carter to take his spot but everytime ive seen a hole open for brown he's taken it every one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Bundy

It's what Ed O'Neill was first known for before Modern Family.

Pretty much he was a loser at life who loved to relive his glory days of when he once scored four touchdowns in a single game in high school.

That's why I was stressing it's a joke. Just when anytime someone brings up playing high school football that's where my mind goes.

[everybodysgotone]

In the NFL that hole is considered big enough to drive a truck through.

Like I said, I can see how a run to the left in that sequence could have been a homerun. EJ would have broken that one off.....but then again we ain't got EJ.

[Smitto]

Based on what? The Jags game last year? Sorry he can only ride that so long. All this boils down to your production and to this point Brown has not given us much. Now like I said in an earlier post it's one thing to struggle when the rest of the backs on the line are also struggling which has been the case for most of Brown's career here. Still the fact he didn't see the field the in the Jets playoff game last year and the Colts felt the need to draft a running back in the draft and resign Addai says a lot about how the Colts feel about Brown at the moment. Now add to that another lack luster pre-season while the other backs in the same system are having some decent games is also not doing much to raise peoples hopes for Brown. Sorry Brown might have all the tools in the world or have everything it should take to work in the Colts system but right now it's not showing up on the field and if it doesn't show u pthere then no he's not a good running back for the Colts.

Im guessing you didnt know, not many fans did i guess but Brown suffered a hammy sometime after the ten game.. While they were interviewing addai he said it and that he told brown to take it easy in training came cause he was running full speed everywhere, if you hadnt noticed brown was producing big after the raiders game 4.7 ypc after the jags game then after 3 carries in the Ten game he wasnt in anymore. I would have expected out of everyone for you to realize the colts Oline still isnt consistent when it comes to run blocking... Every time ive seen brown run the ball its either a good run or no good blocking by the line

[ColtsHoosiersBB]

2.5yds per carry......Geeeeez, by all means we need to find a spot on the

roster for this running dynamo.

[Smitto]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Bundy

It's what Ed O'Neill was first known for before Modern Family.

Pretty much he was a loser at life who loved to relive his glory days of when he once scored four touchdowns in a single game in high school.

That's why I was stressing it's a joke. Just when anytime someone brings up playing high school football that's where my mind goes.

Well Im not that al bundy fellow reason i didnt make the cut was cause of academic, i was pretty good at what i did. I dont think ppl bring up the high school thing to bloat matter fact i would have just said the college part but just wanted to put some emphasis on a point.

[GoColts8818]

Im guessing you didnt know, not many fans did i guess but Brown suffered a hammy sometime after the ten game.. While they were interviewing addai he said it and that he told brown to take it easy in training came cause he was running full speed everywhere, if you hadnt noticed brown was producing big after the raiders game 4.7 ypc after the jags game then after 3 carries in the Ten game he wasnt in anymore. I would have expected out of everyone for you to realize the colts Oline still isnt consistent when it comes to run blocking... Every time ive seen brown run the ball its either a good run or no good blocking by the line

Excuse Excuse Excuse. You know what if it was just one or two I would be fine with it but they keep pilling up. Like I said at the end of the day all people care about your production and Brown isn't giving that. Inconsistent line or not the other backs all have very nice numbers to hang their hats at some point this pre-season. Brown does not. If the other guys produce behind that inconsistent line then Brown better start doing it or he's going to find himself cut. Like I said before it's one thing not to produce when the rest of the guys in the system aren't producing either. It's a whole other to not produce when the rest of the guys are starting to produce.

As for the injury he couldn't have been hurt that bad because he was active for the game while James was not. Also if I recall he did not come up on the injury report before that game which is a huge no no with the NFL if someone is hurt. Had Brown been that slowed by it I would have guessed they would have put Brown on the injury report and dressed James over him.

I'll agree that Brown struggles could be blamed on the line up till this year but now that Addai, Carter, Evans, and James are having nice runs behind the same line Brown's excuse of the line is starting to wear thin. What do they only not run block for him? Even if that's the case if the other produce and Brown does not Brown is still going to be out of here after the season over. Like I said, all people care about is the production and at some point if you don't give it you get cut in the NFL. I am guessing this is Brown's last chance in Indy this year. Hopefully he produces but based on what I've seen from him I am not betting on it.

[GoColts8818]

Well Im not that al bundy fellow reason i didnt make the cut was cause of academic, i was pretty good at what i did. I dont think ppl bring up the high school thing to bloat matter fact i would have just said the college part but just wanted to put some emphasis on a point.

Again it's a joke don't take it too seriously.

[Superman]

He's not a zone runner. Tell him which hole to hit, and he'll do okay. Make him read the play as it's happening and he hesitates. If he guesses right, it's a big play. If not, it's a two yard gain.

Not a good fit for our offense, that's for sure. He could go to a straight-ahead running team and play well. I think it's obvious how talented he is. He's just a bad fit for us.

That said, he was a monster on blitz pickups against the Packers. Might have been our best blocker period. So much for the "he can't block" plotline.

[Coffeedrinker]

Im guessing you didnt know, not many fans did i guess but Brown suffered a hammy sometime after the ten game.. While they were interviewing addai he said it and that he told brown to take it easy in training came cause he was running full speed everywhere, if you hadnt noticed brown was producing big after the raiders game 4.7 ypc after the jags game then after 3 carries in the Ten game he wasnt in anymore.

Yes, Brown had 4 good games last year. So what?

I would have expected out of everyone for you to realize the colts Oline still isnt consistent when it comes to run blocking... Every time ive seen brown run the ball its either a good run or no good blocking by the line

Really? You are saying they block better for the other running backs? the oline is inconsistent in the preseason, that's the nature of the beast, but with that inconsistency, the other 3 primary backs (Addai, Carter and Evans) are all averaging over 4 YPC. And guess what, the line is going to be inconsistent this year with a rookie LT, a first time starter at LG and a bad lineman at RT. Who would you rather have running the ball, a RB that can average over 4 YPC with an inconsistent line or one that averages 2.5 ypc with an inconsistent line?

[everybodysgotone]

2.8yds per carry......Geeeeez, by all means we need to find a spot on the

roster for this running dynamo.

I hear ya. But this is preseason on very limited action. What I like most in the preseason situationals is his improved pass blocking and decision making. Those are pluses, and if these weaknesses are what they're concentrating on....then it's progress. The better aspects of his game - running/receiving in space.....hey, let's assume he's gets just a little better as his career stats suggest. Could be a very serviceable RB.

[274ridge]

the top picture there was a hole to the top, but the second picture had everyone of those hole covered the dt was coming off that block into the hole at the top then woodson had the hole at the bottom covered . the only hole he had was to run up the middle . And i know addai can block and catch out of the back field but he makes his first move in the backfield and the defense is to fast and catch him . I still think that it is a o-line problem and with a good o-line both these back can be good backs, and if they would run the ball more cuz donald brown in the limited carries he got last year had a better yard per carry average than steven jackson.

[BlueRedZone]

First of all, I don't believe he's an every down back.

Secondly, he could really become a weapon if he were used the way New England used Kevin Faulk, or to a smaller degree the way the Saints used Reggie Bush. I don't think he has the overall talent of Bush, but I do think he could be used out of the back field more than he has been and could really become a weapon out of the backfield if he were used the way Faulk is used by New England.

He's had flashes of talent and some good plays but he hasn't been very consistent.

I have been wanting us to use him out of the backfield for quite sometime. I think it would be great to have him and Addai in, and Addai can stay in and block.

Btw, did no one see DB's blocking during the greenbay game? He looked much much better

[everybodysgotone]

All I care about are results. Brown's numbers have improved over the past two years with increased touches and clearly, his pass blocking has gotten better. Numbers don't lie. Again, he gets to run behind a better O-line in 2011 plus other offensive weapons returning healthy = more options. I believe the guy will have a good season and until I'm shown otherwise I'll stand by that.

[BlueRedZone]

All I care about are results. Brown's numbers have improved over the past two years with increased touches and clearly, his pass blocking has gotten better. Numbers don't lie. Again, he gets to run behind a better O-line in 2011 plus other offensive weapons returning healthy = more options. I believe the guy will have a good season and until I'm shown otherwise I'll stand by that.

+1

[MCurtis32]

Why would this be a breakout year? You can see with the pics he has some daylight to play with. Brown has poor vision plain and simple. Same thing with all the sorry kick return specialist the colts have hired since they were in Baltimore. You cannot get by 11 guys without seeing them first. Brown goes down after initial contact. He is not even Free agent material much less first round. I thought he was better than this. Polian thought so olso. If the Colts had obove average running backs,he never would have been drafted. Man we sure miss Edgerrin James. We will never get another like him. Lets see, Edgerrin wanted too much money. He left. Marshall wanted too much money. He left. I'm affraid that if Delone Carter blossomed into an outstanding back, we would be saying good bye to him after four years. In a nutshell, Don't waste any more time on Brown. What can brown do for you? Nothing. He cant see.

[GoColts8818]

Why would this be a breakout year? You can see with the pics he has some daylight to play with. Brown has poor vision plain and simple. Same thing with all the sorry kick return specialist the colts have hired since they were in Baltimore. You cannot get by 11 guys without seeing them first. Brown goes down after initial contact. He is not even Free agent material much less first round. I thought he was better than this. Polian thought so olso. If the Colts had obove average running backs,he never would have been drafted. Man we sure miss Edgerrin James. We will never get another like him. Lets see, Edgerrin wanted too much money. He left. Marshall wanted too much money. He left. I'm affraid that if Delone Carter blossomed into an outstanding back, we would be saying good bye to him after four years. In a nutshell, Don't waste any more time on Brown. What can brown do for you? Nothing. He cant see.

Clarence Verdin disagrees with you about that. still he has been the exception vs. the rule although Wilkins, Rhodes (early in his career), Baily, and Pryatt were all decent to fairly good at times.

[everybodysgotone]

Why would this be a breakout year? You can see with the pics he has some daylight to play with. Brown has poor vision plain and simple. Same thing with all the sorry kick return specialist the colts have hired since they were in Baltimore. You cannot get by 11 guys without seeing them first. Brown goes down after initial contact. He is not even Free agent material much less first round. I thought he was better than this. Polian thought so olso. If the Colts had obove average running backs,he never would have been drafted. Man we sure miss Edgerrin James. We will never get another like him. Lets see, Edgerrin wanted too much money. He left. Marshall wanted too much money. He left. I'm affraid that if Delone Carter blossomed into an outstanding back, we would be saying good bye to him after four years. In a nutshell, Don't waste any more time on Brown. What can brown do for you? Nothing. He cant see.

No one's talkin' break-out year. Simply a reasonable progression on his improvement curve which would be completely within reach would be more than fine. All the stuff about EJ and Marshall - time to let the past be the past. Delone Carter's career could take any number of directions so let's not get the cart before the horse.

[Smitto]

Excuse Excuse Excuse. You know what if it was just one or two I would be fine with it but they keep pilling up. Like I said at the end of the day all people care about your production and Brown isn't giving that. Inconsistent line or not the other backs all have very nice numbers to hang their hats at some point this pre-season. Brown does not. If the other guys produce behind that inconsistent line then Brown better start doing it or he's going to find himself cut. Like I said before it's one thing not to produce when the rest of the guys in the system aren't producing either. It's a whole other to not produce when the rest of the guys are starting to produce.

As for the injury he couldn't have been hurt that bad because he was active for the game while James was not. Also if I recall he did not come up on the injury report before that game which is a huge no no with the NFL if someone is hurt. Had Brown been that slowed by it I would have guessed they would have put Brown on the injury report and dressed James over him.

I'll agree that Brown struggles could be blamed on the line up till this year but now that Addai, Carter, Evans, and James are having nice runs behind the same line Brown's excuse of the line is starting to wear thin. What do they only not run block for him? Even if that's the case if the other produce and Brown does not Brown is still going to be out of here after the season over. Like I said, all people care about is the production and at some point if you don't give it you get cut in the NFL. I am guessing this is Brown's last chance in Indy this year. Hopefully he produces but based on what I've seen from him I am not betting on it.

Simply put Brown is One of the best runners the colts have in their backfield, You cannot judge a player with so little carries, You should probably think about why there's only 1 clip coffe took out of the packers game because out of those 6 carries brown had the line wasnt holding up, so go ahead rant on Brown at the end of the day your evaluation really doesnt count...

Guess i was wrong on the hammy situation...

Coach Jim Caldwell blamed game flow for Donald Brown's zero-snap day against the Jets Saturday.

Actions speak louder than words. In the biggest game of the season, Joseph Addai and Dominic Rhodes combined for 27 carries while Brown was left as an innocent bystander. "It doesn't necessarily mean that's how we're going to go forward," Caldwell said. "I still think Donald obviously is a fine back." Jan 10 - 12:12 PM

Whatever that means its a lame excuse

[GoColts8818]

Simply put Brown is One of the best runners the colts have in their backfield, You cannot judge a player with so little carries, You should probably think about why there's only 1 clip coffe took out of the packers game because out of those 6 carries brown had the line wasnt holding up, so go ahead rant on Brown at the end of the day your evaluation really doesnt count...

Guess i was wrong on the hammy situation...

Coach Jim Caldwell blamed game flow for Donald Brown's zero-snap day against the Jets Saturday.

Actions speak louder than words. In the biggest game of the season, Joseph Addai and Dominic Rhodes combined for 27 carries while Brown was left as an innocent bystander. "It doesn't necessarily mean that's how we're going to go forward," Caldwell said. "I still think Donald obviously is a fine back." Jan 10 - 12:12 PM

Whatever that means its a lame excuse

He's getting so little carries because he's not effective. Trust me with as bad as our ground game has been if Brown was putting up anythng close to numbers he would get the ball. This is the NFL, you have to give them a reason to put you on the field and right now Brown isn't doing that. If he keeps not doing it he's going to lose his roster spot at some point.

What Caldwell was saying with that quote was that Rhodes wasn't going to be brought back which he hasn't been. Again if the Colts had faith in Brown they wouldn't have resigned Addai and drafted a back in the draft this year.

Again, Brown can have all the wonderful college highlights in the world and can have all the tools in the world but till he starts backing it up with his play he is NOT one of the best runners they have in their backfield.

[Malakai432]

We will see how he does. Should be his make or break year, I still fully expect Carter to be the #2 down the road unless Brown explodes.

[GoColts8818]

We will see how he does. Should be his make or break year, I still fully expect Carter to be the #2 down the road unless Brown explodes.

and to be clear I hope he does because that means good things for the team.

[ColtsHoosiersBB]

Let's not lose the fact that the running back position is the easiest position to

learn on the field, he should have had all the bugs worked out mid last season.

He's just not very good, plain and simple.

[John Waylon]

Simply put Brown is One of the best runners the colts have in their backfield, You cannot judge a player with so little carries, You should probably think about why there's only 1 clip coffe took out of the packers game because out of those 6 carries brown had the line wasnt holding up, so go ahead rant on Brown at the end of the day your evaluation really doesnt count...

Guess i was wrong on the hammy situation...

Coach Jim Caldwell blamed game flow for Donald Brown's zero-snap day against the Jets Saturday.

Actions speak louder than words. In the biggest game of the season, Joseph Addai and Dominic Rhodes combined for 27 carries while Brown was left as an innocent bystander. "It doesn't necessarily mean that's how we're going to go forward," Caldwell said. "I still think Donald obviously is a fine back." Jan 10 - 12:12 PM

Whatever that means its a lame excuse

First painter now brown?

I expect next up will be a defense for gilbert gardener....

[GoColts8818]

First painter now brown?

I expect next up will be a defense for gilbert gardener....

Jacob Lacey?

[John Waylon]

Jacob Lacey?

Lacey isn't terrible... He's best served in the nickel or dime. He's one of those guys that the less you have to rely on him, the more you can rely on him. But the more you increase his role and importance, the more his production seems to drop.

gardner was best served in a can of dog food. And even then it would be a sub-standard can. lolol.

[everybodysgotone]

RB hasn't been a feature position for the Colts since EJ's days. All we need is function from our group and we'll get it. The most notable shortcoming has been 3rd & short and it appears that's being addressed via the line improvements and Delone Carter.

Regarding Brown, he's got a career 3.8ypc. Addai is a career 4.1ypc runner. Even Marshall Faulk averaged just 3.85ypc as a Colt. All we need from Brown is 4.0 or a shade better, plus improved pass blocking. He's already good receiving out of the backfield with over 12 ypc for his career, although limited.

Judging by his early performances this year, his pass blocking has improved by leaps and bounds. That's the big one. Since his ypc have increased from 3.6 to 3.9 between 2009 and 2010, it's completely reasonable to believe he'll improve 1/10th or 2/10ths of a yard per carry this year, especially behind the re-worked line plus other healthy offensive starters returning. He's also capable of breaking off long runs much more so than even Joseph Addai. Fact - Brown has as many runs over 40yds in two years of limited time as Addai has had his entire Colts career. Fact - Brown already has half as many runs over 20yds in two years of limited time as Addai has had his entire Colts career.

As for the alternate hypothesis about why the Colts would bother to draft a RB in 2010 or bring other guys into camp at that position "to bump Brown", etc. .....how quickly some forget history. In 2010 we were so thin at the position we had to tap the practice squad for someone to dress, both Addai and Brown spent time hurt, called Dom Rhodes for help, plus Mike Hart is finally gone and not wasting a roster spot. The Colts do not have too many RBs in camp and I expect the rotation will be Addai/Brown/Carter, which will be more than adequate, with Brown providing his fair share. Watch.

[Smitto]

He's getting so little carries because he's not effective. Trust me with as bad as our ground game has been if Brown was putting up anythng close to numbers he would get the ball. This is the NFL, you have to give them a reason to put you on the field and right now Brown isn't doing that. If he keeps not doing it he's going to lose his roster spot at some point.

What Caldwell was saying with that quote was that Rhodes wasn't going to be brought back which he hasn't been. Again if the Colts had faith in Brown they wouldn't have resigned Addai and drafted a back in the draft this year.

Again, Brown can have all the wonderful college highlights in the world and can have all the tools in the world but till he starts backing it up with his play he is NOT one of the best runners they have in their backfield.

So late in the season browns production didnt give the colts enough of a reason to let him play? you do realize the guy was averaging over 4.0ypc in those games. Brown is a much better back than he was when he first came into the league, when brown was in college you didnt see him run with two hands on the ball as you see today which kinda tells you he wasnt too comfortable lately that has changed a bit, it doesnt matter what anyone says the brown has been progressing and the coaches themselves know that, he has twice the talent than james thats for sure so aint no way he will be cut, im sure pretty soon your gonna be eating your words come the regular season.

[Smitto]

First painter now brown?

I expect next up will be a defense for gilbert gardener....

What is this dude talking bout? I would like to think i know what i was talking about i mean after all if painter was so horrible he wouldnt have those 2TD's against a packers defense would he? ohhhhh wait that was just luck smh, Brown was a first round draft pick by the colts i would think they know how to draft RB's hmmm lets see Marshal, Edge, Addai..... sooooooo whats your point your comparing gardner to brown? End of mate you make no sense.

[John Waylon]

What is this dude talking bout? I would like to think i know what i was talking about i mean after all if painter was so horrible he wouldnt have those 2TD's against a packers defense would he? ohhhhh wait that was just luck smh, Brown was a first round draft pick by the colts i would think they know how to draft RB's hmmm lets see Marshal, Edge, Addai..... sooooooo whats your point your comparing gardner to brown? End of mate you make no sense.

Should've known... Should've known....

[Smitto]

Should've known... Should've known....

Thats pretty much all you can say cause basically the oh so horrible painter has put the nay sayers to bed.

[John Waylon]

Thats pretty much all you can say cause basically the oh so horrible painter has put the nay sayers to bed.

Yep. One good half, with a HOF WR doing all he could to carry him...

He IS the man.

All those other games where he sucked? Those were just anomalies... One merely decent half excuses an otherwise awful career.

Sorry. I sometimes forget that.

[John Waylon]

Thats pretty much all you can say cause basically the oh so horrible painter has put the nay sayers to bed.

So, taking your "One good half of football means a player is good" theory into account I've compiled a small list of the many, many QB's who, by your theory, are "good". Lets have a look at the list, shall we?

• Jamarcus Russell - Vs San Diego - 12/30/2007 Second Half
  16/22 - 166 yards - 1TD - 0INT
  Link: http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/29449/OAK_Gamebook.pdf
  

• Tim Couch - Vs Tennessee - 12/30/2001 First Half
  10/15 - 154 yards - 2TD - 0INT
  Link: http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/17908/TEN_Gamebook.pdf
  

• Derek Anderson - Vs New York Giants - 10/13/2008 First Half
  11/18 - 225 yards - 1TD - 0INT
  Link: http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/29616/CLV_Gamebook.pdf
  

• Joey Harrington - Vs Arizona Cardinals - 9/7/2003 First Half
  8/13 - 95 yards - 2TD - 0INT
  Link: http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/26499/DET_Gamebook.pdf
  

Now, we could really blow this theory away if we were to look at players from every position who had one good half and then were never heard from again, but we won't, because we don't need to. There's enough evidence looking at the QB position alone to show that one good half, or one good start, doesn't mean a player is good. (Sadly, this should be common sense, but it is apparently not. It's about the latest results, not the overall results... However that works...)

Except in your world, where I'm sure the QB's on that list above, and the many, many other mediocre QB's who qualify as "good" there already have their busts made, just waiting to be put in the Hall.

And again, I end another post with a counter point to something smitto posts with the only real fitting reply:

[indy_nick]

What is this dude talking bout? I would like to think i know what i was talking about i mean after all if painter was so horrible he wouldnt have those 2TD's against a packers defense would he? ohhhhh wait that was just luck smh, Brown was a first round draft pick by the colts i would think they know how to draft RB's hmmm lets see Marshal, Edge, Addai..... sooooooo whats your point your comparing gardner to brown? End of mate you make no sense.

Agreed John....

[GoColts8818]

Lacey isn't terrible... He's best served in the nickel or dime. He's one of those guys that the less you have to rely on him, the more you can rely on him. But the more you increase his role and importance, the more his production seems to drop.

gardner was best served in a can of dog food. And even then it would be a sub-standard can. lolol.

No Lacey isn't terrible you are right about that. I like him as a nickel or dime corner I think we are asking too much out of him to be a starter but I think that is going to result in him being the next lighting rod for Colts fans.

[GoColts8818]

So late in the season browns production didnt give the colts enough of a reason to let him play? you do realize the guy was averaging over 4.0ypc in those games. Brown is a much better back than he was when he first came into the league, when brown was in college you didnt see him run with two hands on the ball as you see today which kinda tells you he wasnt too comfortable lately that has changed a bit, it doesnt matter what anyone says the brown has been progressing and the coaches themselves know that, he has twice the talent than james thats for sure so aint no way he will be cut, im sure pretty soon your gonna be eating your words come the regular season.

Clearly it didn't because they aren't giving him a chance to play very much. Don't take that up with me take that up with the coaching staff they are the ones who aren't letting him play I am just saying that's a sign that clearly the Colts have some questions about him. If they didn't they would let him play and they souldn't have resigned Addai and drafted another running back.

So you are saying Brown is a better back because he knows to run with two hands on the ball? You do know most kids know that in college. So way to go Donald you've caught up to something most running backs knew when they were in college.

Again Brown might very well have twice the talent of James. However, till Brown backs it up with his play on the field that doesn't matter. Right now Brown isn't doing that and the rest of the guys are doing that in this pre-season. That's all anyone cares about. No one cares what he did vs. the Jags last season because that was last season.

[Jaric]

Until he proves otherwise, he's a bust. I've been holding out hope he would show something that would justify his existance to this team, but here I sit still waiting.

[Smitto]

Yep. One good half, with a HOF WR doing all he could to carry him...

He IS the man.

All those other games where he sucked? Those were just anomalies... One merely decent half excuses an otherwise awful career.

Sorry. I sometimes forget that.

This is why common sense isnt so common, all the talk about painter being horrible and isnt a NFL QB.. During the week the colts practiced and game planned for the packers game as if it was the reg season and who was their QB? never had painter had the opportunity to have an opportunity like that and he came out there and did a great job for his first time he was accurate on most of his passes and showed his arm strength.... Are you saying that wayne carries peyton on his back when he's out there? no he goes out there runs crisp routes and its the QB's job to find him and get the ball to him. So go ahead facepalm ya self for that one.

[chad72]

I am loving this back-and-forth but all good things have to come to an end. This thread has run its course, I think. We all know where everyone stands .