Dustin Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 I thought this was relevant because of Grigson's comments this week about feeling better about guy's who had "character issues" combined with a mention of a possible top-20 selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 My question is how could he not find a place for Nkemdiche with some teams comfortable with him. Should be easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Even if Nkemdiche is HATED by 31 teams, it only takes one team to love him. I'm guessing he doesn't get past Seattle. If I did a mock, that's who I think would take him, and it's not hard for me to see another team higher than 27 grabbing the kid. Too talented. Someone will be willing to play the risk/reward game with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgt_rob Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 We need a talented rush linebacker. Hopefully we swing and hit on one even if it's Robert or Noah. Thanks for the tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loudnproudcolt Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Interesting. I just read a LaCanfora article, which he says is done with an NFL scout he swears by, and he has him dropping out of the first round along with Shaq Lawson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 41 minutes ago, pgt_rob said: We need a talented rush linebacker. Hopefully we swing and hit on one even if it's Robert or Noah. Thanks for the tweet. Nkemdiche isn't a rush backer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgt_rob Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, jvan1973 said: Nkemdiche isn't a rush backer Good call jvan! He's most definitely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueShoe Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 As long he is picked by another team; I am okay with that. He can be a wasted pick for some other team. That just makes us stronger. We have no business even considering him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Daytona Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Y'know, the supreme confidence in judging the life choices made by 18-22 year old kids is a little stale.... for every Maurice Clarett, Matt Leinart, Demitrius Underwood, Lendale White red flag pick...... there is an equal red flag pick that ends up being Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Michael Vick, Luis Castillo.....for every Marinovich there is a Marino....both had red flags........ And for the love of god, stop acting like Werner was a colossal reach by Grigson, he was mocked anywhere from pick 10 to beginning of the 2nd round that draft...... The red flag players made mistakes, GM's make mistakes..... have either learned in this scenario? The law of averages says one of either Nkemdiche or Spence will end up having a very, very solid pro career..... which one is it? I dunno.....but so many act like they are both doomed..... it's silly. a 50% hit rate isn't far off the hit rate for Non-Red Flag guys....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stitches Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, Shafty138 said: Y'know, the supreme confidence in judging the life choices made by 18-22 year old kids is a little stale.... for every Maurice Clarett, Matt Leinart, Demitrius Underwood, Lendale White red flag pick...... there is an equal red flag pick that ends up being Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Michael Vick, Luis Castillo.....for every Marinovich there is a Marino....both had red flags........ And for the love of god, stop acting like Werner was a colossal reach by Grigson, he was mocked anywhere from pick 10 to beginning of the 2nd round that draft...... The red flag players made mistakes, GM's make mistakes..... have either learned in this scenario? The law of averages says one of either Nkemdiche or Spence will end up having a very, very solid pro career..... which one is it? I dunno.....but so many act like they are both doomed..... it's silly. a 50% hit rate isn't far off the hit rate for Non-Red Flag guys....... Some research actually points to off-the-field red flag players being great value in the draft(i.e. they produce better than the players drafted at about the same range). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Shafty138 said: Y'know, the supreme confidence in judging the life choices made by 18-22 year old kids is a little stale.... for every Maurice Clarett, Matt Leinart, Demitrius Underwood, Lendale White red flag pick...... there is an equal red flag pick that ends up being Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Michael Vick, Luis Castillo.....for every Marinovich there is a Marino....both had red flags........ And for the love of god, stop acting like Werner was a colossal reach by Grigson, he was mocked anywhere from pick 10 to beginning of the 2nd round that draft...... The red flag players made mistakes, GM's make mistakes..... have either learned in this scenario? The law of averages says one of either Nkemdiche or Spence will end up having a very, very solid pro career..... which one is it? I dunno.....but so many act like they are both doomed..... it's silly. a 50% hit rate isn't far off the hit rate for Non-Red Flag guys....... Mike Vick? Guy went to prison lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLTS449 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 13 minutes ago, BOTT said: Mike Vick? Guy went to prison lol True, and he's a P0S for abusing those dogs. But he was a beast with Atlanta for 4-5 years. Then came back and probably had his best year with Philly along with a couple other good years with them. Then he just fell off a cliff a couple years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 22 minutes ago, COLTS449 said: True, and he's a P0S for abusing those dogs. But he was a beast with Atlanta for 4-5 years. Then came back and probably had his best year with Philly along with a couple other good years with them. Then he just fell off a cliff a couple years ago. He was never a beast. But even if you believe that, drafting him didn't work out so well for the team that drafted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Shafty138 said: Y'know, the supreme confidence in judging the life choices made by 18-22 year old kids is a little stale.... for every Maurice Clarett, Matt Leinart, Demitrius Underwood, Lendale White red flag pick...... there is an equal red flag pick that ends up being Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Michael Vick, Luis Castillo.....for every Marinovich there is a Marino....both had red flags........ And for the love of god, stop acting like Werner was a colossal reach by Grigson, he was mocked anywhere from pick 10 to beginning of the 2nd round that draft...... The red flag players made mistakes, GM's make mistakes..... have either learned in this scenario? The law of averages says one of either Nkemdiche or Spence will end up having a very, very solid pro career..... which one is it? I dunno.....but so many act like they are both doomed..... it's silly. a 50% hit rate isn't far off the hit rate for Non-Red Flag guys....... The 1st rd hit rate is about 60% i recently read. Talking about guys that meet or exceed expectations i believe. So lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Daytona Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 36 minutes ago, BOTT said: He was never a beast. But even if you believe that, drafting him didn't work out so well for the team that drafted him. LOL.....seriously? We must have different ideas of "working out" I guarantee you no one in ATL regrets drafting Vick. When all was said and done, they wished he hadn't screwed up so royally that they had to distance themselves completely from him, and he had to go to prison. The sheer amount of money he made Arthur Blank and the Falcons is ridiculous. I promise you his drafting isn't viewed by a mistake by any higher up or Owner in ATL...... statistically, yeah he was a fad..... but dang his merch sold well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Daytona Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 27 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said: The 1st rd hit rate is about 60% i recently read. Talking about guys that meet or exceed expectations i believe. So lol! lol? I guess you can quantify 10% margin of error as never being worth increased risk...... depends on floor and ceiling of the player in question I suppose..... so lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 6 minutes ago, Shafty138 said: LOL.....seriously? We must have different ideas of "working out" I guarantee you no one in ATL regrets drafting Vick. When all was said and done, they wished he hadn't screwed up so royally that they had to distance themselves completely from him, and he had to go to prison. The sheer amount of money he made Arthur Blank and the Falcons is ridiculous. I promise you his drafting isn't viewed by a mistake by any higher up or Owner in ATL...... statistically, yeah he was a fad..... but dang his merch sold well. Well, drafting a QB #1 and only getting a few good seasons from him before he disgraced the franchise and went to prison isn't "working out" IMO. and I doubt you can guarantee that. All the merchandise money is shared with the other teams and is nothing more than play around money for a billionaire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Daytona Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Vick was good enough they justified paying him 130 million at the time...... he was the face of the NFL, if you think that didn't generate revenue for the Falcons, I don't know what to tell you..... Guess Manning never increased Irsay's business's value either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Shafty138 said: Vick was good enough they justified paying him 130 million at the time...... he was the face of the NFL, if you think that didn't generate revenue for the Falcons, I don't know what to tell you..... Guess Manning never increased Irsay's business's value either. Yes, because I clearly stated he didn't generate any money for the Falcons. Exactly what I said........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Just now, Shafty138 said: Vick was good enough they justified paying him 130 million at the time...... he was the face of the NFL, if you think that didn't generate revenue for the Falcons, I don't know what to tell you..... Guess Manning never increased Irsay's business's value either. He was a much better runner then QB. He was exciting because he could run....Play QB at the time? Not so much....And no he was never at any point worth 130 mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Daytona Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 27 minutes ago, BOTT said: Yes, because I clearly stated he didn't generate any money for the Falcons. Exactly what I said........ That might be what lead me to previously state "We must have different ideas of working out".......Or, I could be mistaken.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Daytona Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 26 minutes ago, Gavin said: He was a much better runner then QB. He was exciting because he could run....Play QB at the time? Not so much....And no he was never at any point worth 130 mill You're only worth what ya can get! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 It's the fact that he doesn't always play hard that makes me more wary than the off the field stuff... Add them up and you don't get a top 20 player, in my view... If drafts were 100% about a player's potential ceiling, he'd be in the top 5, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 13 minutes ago, Shafty138 said: That might be what lead me to previously state "We must have different ideas of working out".......Or, I could be mistaken.... That was sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Daytona Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 3 hours ago, BOTT said: That was sarcasm we need to use an alternate color on here for sarcasm, like the pacer's board does, or something...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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