Maybe We Should Keep Caldwell.

[FireJimCaldwell]

Yes, I've seen this before. It would rise to the level of clever if there were a range of other realistic emotions underneath - exited, thrilled, whatever. Making fun of his ability to keep an even keel - which is actually a virtue - would be funny. Instead it's just cruel.

There is another one out there that is more like that, but this one seemed to provide its intent.

[Warhorse]

No better way to make your point than to give up your season tickets! Have your voice heard! Let someone else watch the new era of Colts football. Be duped no more! MAKE A STAND.

Lol.

Thinking that Jim is going to make his decisions in fear based on lost ticket sales is standard fan thinking he or she is more important than they are. Wins puts buts in the seats no matter who the coach is....get over it.

[Coffeedrinker]

Yes, I've seen this before. It would rise to the level of clever if there were a range of other realistic emotions underneath - exited, thrilled, whatever. Making fun of his ability to keep an even keel - which is actually a virtue - would be funny. Instead it's just cruel.

Mac, most people cannot control their own emotions so they are afraid of anyone that can. Rather than being intraspective and admit the fault in themselves, they lash out and try to make that virtue a fault because it makes them feel better.

[BIGugly]

Yes, I've seen this before. It would rise to the level of clever if there were a range of other realistic emotions underneath - exited, thrilled, whatever. Making fun of his ability to keep an even keel - which is actually a virtue - would be funny. Instead it's just cruel.

Nah, it's just funny

[FireJimCaldwell]

Mac, most people cannot control their own emotions so they are afraid of anyone that can. Rather than being intraspective and admit the fault in themselves, they lash out and try to make that virtue a fault because it makes them feel better.

Or you have to laugh at the horrible situation we are in because it is so bad.

[Coffeedrinker]

Or you have to laugh at the horrible situation we are in because it is so bad.

Colts had a bad year no doubt. But he also has a career winning % in the NFL. Learned from one of the best HC in modern football, has been a part of the Colts steller run. Is 2-2 in the playoffs and SB.

I will stick to my initial post.

[FireJimCaldwell]

Colts had a bad year no doubt. But he also has a career winning % in the NFL. Learned from one of the best HC in modern football, has been a part of the Colts steller run. Is 2-2 in the playoffs and SB.

I will stick to my initial post.

Congratulations...

[BIGugly]

Mac, most people cannot control their own emotions so they are afraid of anyone that can. Rather than being introspective...

There, fixed it for you.

[BIGugly]

Thinking that Jim is going to make his decisions in fear based on lost ticket sales is standard fan thinking he or she is more important than they are. Wins puts buts in the seats no matter who the coach is....get over it.

And the corollary to that is that losses take buts out of the seats.

[Coffeedrinker]

There, fixed it for you.

is it 'intrO". my bad. I guess I should be more intrOspective on my spelling.

[BIGugly]

Colts had a bad year no doubt. But he also has a career winning % in the NFL. Learned from one of the best HC in modern football, has been a part of the Colts steller run. Is 2-2 in the playoffs and SB.

I will stick to my initial post.

Yeah, but he didn't learn enough. 14-2 and 2-14 say that. TWO gargantuan s.c.r.e.w. ups say that.

[MAC]

There, fixed it for you.

"Everyone" knows that if you can control your emotions, than you can't control your spelling. It has to come out somewhere.

I'm "guilty" of both - at least since the spellchecker failed the last time Firefox updated itself. :rolleyes:

[Coffeedrinker]

Yeah, but he didn't learn enough. 14-2 and 2-14 say that. TWO gargantuan s.c.r.e.w. ups say that.

I'm not sure what the "say that" is all about. I'd say he learned quite a bit. He fired Coyer and the defense improved. He fired Ray at the end of the season. When Collins wasn't working he went with Painter. When Painter showed no improvement he went with Orlovsky. When Lacey proved to get burned he tried Tryon, Tryon got hurt he went to KT.

Plus I don't think people fully comprehend how much injuries have played a part. You have people out for a few weeks, you can't put them on IR and sign someone. I guess you can but it doesn't make a lot of sense. They could have put Manning on IR, but that was not Caldwell's call. But really, if the Colts would have had consistent, average QB play, and something other than horrendous defensive play calling they would have been a 6-8 win team this year. And I think that is shown by O going 2-3 as a starter and Murphy going 2-2 as DC.

[Coffeedrinker]

"Everyone" knows that if you can control your emotions, than you can't control your spelling. It has to come out somewhere.

I'm "guilty" of both - at least since the spellchecker failed the last time Firefox updated itself. :rolleyes:

I guess I don't have an excuse then. I can't control my emotions, I just recognize it in others.

[Fatboyslim11]

That chart has already been documented:

This chart has expertly captured his entire range of emotions except one. Now that Polian is gone the one with the puppet string that moves his head up and down and coming out of his back has been removed

[FireJimCaldwell]

I'm not sure what the "say that" is all about. I'd say he learned quite a bit. He fired Coyer and the defense improved. He fired Ray at the end of the season. When Collins wasn't working he went with Painter. When Painter showed no improvement he went with Orlovsky. When Lacey proved to get burned he tried Tryon, Tryon got hurt he went to KT.

Plus I don't think people fully comprehend how much injuries have played a part. You have people out for a few weeks, you can't put them on IR and sign someone. I guess you can but it doesn't make a lot of sense. They could have put Manning on IR, but that was not Caldwell's call. But really, if the Colts would have had consistent, average QB play, and something other than horrendous defensive play calling they would have been a 6-8 win team this year. And I think that is shown by O going 2-3 as a starter and Murphy going 2-2 as DC.

The defense improved because we were playing teams with weak to average at best quarterbacks. It's not like he faced Brees, Rodgers & little Manning. Brady had his way with it, but that was expected and the first game.

Collins went to the bench due to an injury and was never cleared, and placed on IR, that was not a coaching decision, but putting Painter in sure was. Taking up until week 13 to see that Painter couldn't run the offense was a coaching decision. At that point the started to alter the offense a bit, which is something that should have been done as soon as they had a clue that Manning was going to be missing time, because asking any combination of Collins, Painter or Orlovsky to run it just beyond dumb.

So please don't act like he made any brilliant moves this season.

[MAC]

I guess I don't have an excuse then. I can't control my emotions, I just recognize it in others.

Oh well. I'm not all that consistent with it actually. There are times out in the real world where I've endured abject humiliation (or pure joy) without even changing the expression on my face. I don't even yell at live sporting events. Unless I start to see red, I'm quite reserved. On the other hand my wife can push me over the edge with the correct depression of certain buttons in a manner of seconds. And I will scream at the tv when the Colts are on like nobodies business. It gives me the perspective to wonder whether Caldwell (regardless of my opinion of his abilities) is truly the master of cool, or just feels uncomfortable with public displays.

But the spelling is consistent. I've remembered how to spell certain words incorrectly for decades, and that isn't likely to change anytime soon.

[BIGugly]

I'm not sure what the "say that" is all about. I'd say he learned quite a bit. He fired Coyer and the defense improved. He fired Ray at the end of the season. When Collins wasn't working he went with Painter. When Painter showed no improvement he went with Orlovsky. When Lacey proved to get burned he tried Tryon, Tryon got hurt he went to KT.

Plus I don't think people fully comprehend how much injuries have played a part. You have people out for a few weeks, you can't put them on IR and sign someone. I guess you can but it doesn't make a lot of sense. They could have put Manning on IR, but that was not Caldwell's call. But really, if the Colts would have had consistent, average QB play, and something other than horrendous defensive play calling they would have been a 6-8 win team this year. And I think that is shown by O going 2-3 as a starter and Murphy going 2-2 as DC.

Too little, too late.

[Warhorse]

And the corollary to that is that losses take buts out of the seats.

Exactly. I am encouraging those who are threatening with selling their season tickets to do so! This looks to be monumental mistake to possibly retain JC. Get out while the gettins good. Lol.

It would be nice if, when we feel wronged, we could exert pressure by speaking with our wallets. Reality....there are fans waiting to replace fed up fans....and cities salivating at the thought of getting our relocated franchise....regardless of the coach. Enjoy your fan experience any way you desire. I choose to back the man who owns the franchise. If he went off the deep end for enough years that I could not hack it, I would quit watching the NFL. Its Colts or nothing baby! In the mean time, I'll root for them in all their accomplishments.....and their warts. It just takes all the enjoyment out of the experience to find constant fault with it.

Like I said, if its that bad to fans, they can leave. Or write letters to the franchise. Reminding us all off season how disappointed anyone is, isn't accomplishing anything...its just whining.

Go Golts!!!!

[oldunclemark]

I think Irsay fired the Polians because they wanted to keep Caldwell. What I'm most worried about is that Jim Irsay may end up not hiring another GM--but might take the job back himself--"ouch". What I most want to see is Jim Tressel promoted to some other capacity. He is tremendously talented and could make a good GM, coordinator, or head coach in my view. He is unproven, but so is everybody before they prove it. You think he doesn't know football talent enough to be a GM, or how to build a great football team? He does--he would be good at whatever job he was put in.

Our special teams (kick coverage) has been terrible the last several years, and its not because the special teams coach can't coach, its because we don't put elite athletes on the field for kick coverage. The best college coaches put their best athletes on the kickoff and punt teams. In the pros we don't do that cause we don't want to get em hurt. Changing the coach is not going to help if we don't put elite athletes on the field.

Peter..I dont think pro teams can afford to put their top players on special teams

..except for maybe the kick return guy..

I think it must be the emphasis we put on it...

The Bears dominate on special teams....and not jjst returns by Devin hester..

We should get big returns occasionally like they do...

[GrizzColt]

Caldwell almost went undefeated with Manning and almost went completely defeated w/o him. So, next year with Luck, he should go .500...split the difference.

I heard a radio interview a few years ago with an ex-player and he believed only a handful of the current (current at that time) head coaches in the NFL were competent and the rest of them were meatheads. That really isn't that hard to believe. The Bill Walsh's of this world who were truly innovative are few and far between. Bellichik and Coughlin were 2 that he liked. I don't remember the other ones. You always see footage of the HC walking on the field while the players are stretching and they are telling lame jokes and they have huge stomachs. We somehow think they must be smarter than they really appear because they somehow get these football teams to play at such a high level, etc....well, anytime you ask a player about coaching, he always refers to his position coach and I think that's the more important ingredient. HC's need to have a vision and be good managers and be organized. imo anyway.

[Warhorse]

Oh well. I'm not all that consistent with it actually. There are times out in the real world where I've endured abject humiliation (or pure joy) without even changing the expression on my face. I don't even yell at live sporting events. Unless I start to see red, I'm quite reserved. On the other hand my wife can push me over the edge with the correct depression of certain buttons in a manner of seconds. And I will scream at the tv when the Colts are on like nobodies business. It gives me the perspective to wonder whether Caldwell (regardless of my opinion of his abilities) is truly the master of cool, or just feels uncomfortable with public displays.

But the spelling is consistent. I've remembered how to spell certain words incorrectly for decades, and that isn't likely to change anytime soon.

Hey Mac, the girl in your life knows your buttons, eh? I know what you mean. I can also tell If I have pushed the wrong buttons with my girl pretty darn quick.

[MAC]

Hey Mac, the girl in your life knows your buttons, eh? I know what you mean. I can also tell If I have pushed the wrong buttons with my girl pretty darn quick.

But why is it that when I do it it feels like an accident (Huh? I just........ I didn't mean............. What the........). My mouth is just quicker than my brain sometimes.

But when it's done to me it feels like a guided wire precision assault, with a black ops specialist right there to make sure the missile runs true.

[IndyTrav]

I've remembered how to spell certain words incorrectly for decades, and that isn't likely to change anytime soon.

To know that others do this too, gives me such a wave of relief. I thought I was the only one.... I may have found success, by definition, in real life, but I just had that word (success) auto-corrected for me because I cant seem to learn my lesson on it. Every time I try to think of how to spell it I see a photo of Bob Dylan with a sign..... There is another word as well, its escaping me at the moment.........

edit: this photo....

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=bob+dylan+success&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1366&bih=678&tbm=isch&tbnid=IlFgshpNNhRvuM:&imgrefurl=http://www.mydarnchannel.com/blog/categories/85/Bob_Dylan.aspx&docid=qCK1ZxG0a-1mHM&imgurl=http://content.mydarnchannel.com/datastore/UserFiles/success.bmp&w=430&h=345&ei=X58UT_aADMLaggf7qqX8Aw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=397&vpy=151&dur=39&hovh=201&hovw=251&tx=141&ty=70&sig=110155029868167322515&page=1&tbnh=145&tbnw=192&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

[MAC]

To know that others do this too, gives me such a wave of relief. I thought I was the only one.... I may have found success, by definition, in real life, but I just had that word (success) auto-corrected for me because I cant seem to learn my lesson on it. Every time I try to think of how to spell it I see a photo of Bob Dylan with a sign..... There is another word as well, its escaping me at the moment.........

edit: this photo....

http://www.google.co...=1t:429,r:1,s:0

I sometimes have the same problem with directions as well if I haven't been somewhere in a very long time. I'll think that know how to get someplace, but what I'm remembering is the wrong route - taken multiple times previously - which was apparently burned in by virtue of the vivid unpleasantness of the error. We're supposed to learn from our mistakes, but I learn the mistakes instead.

[Blackhawk4]

This time Mike Chappelle saying Caldwell expected to be kept at HC and to be announced very soon.

http://blogs.indystar.com/coltsinsider/2012/01/16/expecting-the-colts-to-retain-jim-caldwell-and-more/

[JColts72]

BAD NEWS! Guess only hope, is retain him in adifferent role- Scout for CFL would be fine with me. NEW GM way over his head- Irsay must have hired him with condition of keeping JC.

[IndyTrav]

I sometimes have the same problem with directions as well if I haven't been somewhere in a very long time. I'll think that know how to get someplace, but what I'm remembering is the wrong route - taken multiple times previously - which was apparently burned in by virtue of the vivid unpleasantness of the error. We're supposed to learn from our mistakes, but I learn the mistakes instead.

Im a directions guy. I go some place once, and I can get there always. Even in other countries. Weird. Being a surveyor for several years probably has something to do with it.

But at least you're LEARNING something, even if it is wrong way I guess. Thats how people end up stumbling into an old buddy, or it happens to be the part of town someone is stuck in and YOU know the way out.... The world gets cosmic like that I've found...

[JColts72]

Announce it on MKL day, how poetic.

[MAC]

Im a directions guy. I go some place once, and I can get there always. Even in other countries. Weird. Being a surveyor for several years probably has something to do with it.

But at least you're LEARNING something, even if it is wrong way I guess. Thats how people end up stumbling into an old buddy, or it happens to be the part of town someone is stuck in and YOU know the way out.... The world gets cosmic like that I've found...

Thats a nice way of looking at it. I am usually reasonably confident which way is N/S/E/W, so when going someplace new I can usually veer in the general direction I need - when in doubt - until I get close. But when I think that I know that I'm supposed to turn at a certain street, and it turns out to be wrong (and deja vu to boot) it is laughably frustrating.

[IndyTrav]

Thats a nice way of looking at it. I am usually reasonably confident which way is N/S/E/W, so when going someplace new I can usually veer in the general direction I need - when in doubt - until I get close. But when I think that I know that I'm supposed to turn at a certain street, and it turns out to be wrong (and deja vu to boot) it is laughably frustrating.

One day that wrong turn will lead to a wealth of finances. Thus providing you a driver, and the chance to never replicate your success.

While Im predicting things, 7 26 37 48 12 53 17

[buccolts]

One day that wrong turn will lead to a wealth of finances. Thus providing you a driver, and the chance to never replicate your success.

While Im predicting things, 7 26 37 48 12 53 17

Got it, thanks

[MAC]

One day that wrong turn will lead to a wealth of finances. Thus providing you a driver, and the chance to never replicate your success.

While Im predicting things, 7 26 37 48 12 53 17

There you go. Watch, I'm laughing at this, and tomorrow your numbers will hit without tickets in hand. Speaking of wrong turns.

[Coffeedrinker]

The defense improved because we were playing teams with weak to average at best quarterbacks. It's not like he faced Brees, Rodgers & little Manning. Brady had his way with it, but that was expected and the first game.

They did better against Jax and Tenn than they did earlier in the season. Did okay against Balt. They improved, the players thought it improved and they won a couple of games.

Collins went to the bench due to an injury and was never cleared, and placed on IR, that was not a coaching decision, but putting Painter in sure was. Taking up until week 13 to see that Painter couldn't run the offense was a coaching decision

One are you absolutely sure about that? Are you sure Polian wasn't forcing Caldwell to play him? But let's say for the sake of argument that you are correct and it was Caldwell's decision. You have Painter who, in his first two starts, puts up about 500 yards, 4 TDs and no INTs. He didn't play great but he did well. Then the oline crumbles for the next 4 weeks. So you wait to see if it's the player or the oline. The oline stabilizes somewhat and you don't see any improvement out of the player for two or three weeks so you make the change. How else can that be handled? You look in hindsight and say, well he should have done this but that shows very little knowledge of making the decision at the times the decisions need to be made.

At that point the started to alter the offense a bit, which is something that should have been done as soon as they had a clue that Manning was going to be missing time, because asking any combination of Collins, Painter or Orlovsky to run it just beyond dumb.

And it's beyond dumb to act like they tried to run the same offense this year and they do with Manning.

So please don't act like he made any brilliant moves this season.

I don't know if they were brilliant or not but he did make quite a few changes this year and most of them were the correct changes. We can go back and forth about when he should have done them but that won't get us anywhere.

[FireJimCaldwell]

They did better against Jax and Tenn than they did earlier in the season. Did okay against Balt. They improved, the players thought it improved and they won a couple of games.

One are you absolutely sure about that? Are you sure Polian wasn't forcing Caldwell to play him? But let's say for the sake of argument that you are correct and it was Caldwell's decision. You have Painter who, in his first two starts, puts up about 500 yards, 4 TDs and no INTs. He didn't play great but he did well. Then the oline crumbles for the next 4 weeks. So you wait to see if it's the player or the oline. The oline stabilizes somewhat and you don't see any improvement out of the player for two or three weeks so you make the change. How else can that be handled? You look in hindsight and say, well he should have done this but that shows very little knowledge of making the decision at the times the decisions need to be made.

And it's beyond dumb to act like they tried to run the same offense this year and they do with Manning.

I don't know if they were brilliant or not but he did make quite a few changes this year and most of them were the correct changes. We can go back and forth about when he should have done them but that won't get us anywhere.

I don't doubt that Polian made the call on Collins starting, but a concussion sent him to the beach.

Yes it was beyond dumb for Caldwell and Christensen to continue to run Manning's offense for up to what 12? 13 weeks.. Far beyond dumb. But that's on them.

Caldwell and brilliant should be far removed from the same sentence because he is no where near it.

[oldunclemark]

I don't doubt that Polian made the call on Collins starting, but a concussion sent him to the beach.

Yes it was beyond dumb for Caldwell and Christensen to continue to run Manning's offense for up to what 12? 13 weeks.. Far beyond dumb. But that's on them.

Caldwell and brilliant should be far removed from the same sentence because he is no where near it.

What do you mean 'continue to run Manning's offense'

That's the Colts offense. isnt it?

[oldunclemark]

Why is there some magic clenser with firing the coach that makes everyting better?

WE know why we were 2-14 and it has nothing to do with Jim Caldwell.

Let him finish his contract...and lets address our on field problems.

the Colts are loyal to their people..

[FireJimCaldwell]

What do you mean 'continue to run Manning's offense'

That's the Colts offense. isnt it?

No, that is Peyton Manning's offense. Could Collins/Painter/Orlvosky come close to having the skill set to run it as efficiently? No. Will Luck right off the bat? No, if they tried running that with Luck, he'll struggle and improve as time goes on but it would take 2-3 years for him to halfway become efficient with it, and you are still in the same spot of being a play away from being back to a nobody quarterback running an offense they have no business running. Bring in a WCO which would allow average at best quarterbacks to have some moderate success.

Why is there some magic clenser with firing the coach that makes everyting better?

WE know why we were 2-14 and it has nothing to do with Jim Caldwell.

Let him finish his contract...and lets address our on field problems.

the Colts are loyal to their people..

Why keep him around for only 1 more year. What good is a lame duck coach going to do

? Get rid of him, bring in a real NFL head coach and move forward as opposed to treading water.

[BIGugly]

Why is there some magic clenser with firing the coach that makes everyting better?

WE know why we were 2-14 and it has nothing to do with Jim Caldwell.

Let him finish his contract...and lets address our on field problems.

the Colts are loyal to their people..

But not to their fans, or players. Keeping Caldwell is NOT about Caldwell, there are a hundred or more people in the Colts organiztion, players, coaches, managers, that DEPEND on his decisions. NO THANKS.

[BIGugly]

What do you mean 'continue to run Manning's offense'

That's the Colts offense. isnt it?

The rub here is that Caldwell tried to get the sub QB's to run the Manning offense instead of inserting an offense suited to the QB's being asked to play the game. LOUSY coaching.