Colts re-sign QB Matthew Hasselbeck for 1 year

[Superman]

I can understand why some like it , some don't mind and also why some don't like it. All are valid opinions. The only thing I would argue is how well he can actually play. The limited time he's had in the 2 years here don't prove he still has it or nor does it prove he's washed up. So I kind of just skip over those claims that he's the second best QB in the division. If  can actually come in at 40 years old and play well enough to win games , then it's money well spent as he helps AL in other ways. I just happen to think that he's not a special player that can do that at 40 years old.

 

That's where the "insurance policy" thing comes into play. You hope you never have to use it. Same thing with Hasselbeck, we all hope we never find out how well he can perform at 40, when he has to. But his limited play at the end of the season last year didn't look bad, IMO.

 

I think the "second best QB in the division" stuff is just cheekiness. I don't take it seriously. But the other QBs in our division are pretty bad. Bortles might have the stuff...

[dw49]

That's where the "insurance policy" thing comes into play. You hope you never have to use it. Same thing with Hasselbeck, we all hope we never find out how well he can perform at 40, when he has to. But his limited play at the end of the season last year didn't look bad, IMO.

 

I think the "second best QB in the division" stuff is just cheekiness. I don't take it seriously. But the other QBs in our division are pretty bad. Bortles might have the stuff...

 

 

I was never a fan of Bortles . I've been reading opinions that his mechanics actually suffered in 2014 and he pretty much needs to be "torn down and rebuilt." But to his credit , he did look at times to maybe "have it ?" He made some pretty nice plays in some big spots.

 

The other two guys are young and don't appear to be franchise type guys.. although both have strong arms. So yeah.. it's not scary looking group to say the least. You have to wonder if Tenn is really going to stick with Mettanberger as they are now indicting.

[Superman]

I was never a fan of Bortles . I've been reading opinions that his mechanics actually suffered in 2014 and he pretty much needs to be "torn down and rebuilt." But to his credit , he did look at times to maybe "have it ?" He made some pretty nice plays in some big spots.

 

The other two guys are young and don't appear to be franchise type guys.. although both have strong arms. So yeah.. it's not scary looking group to say the least. You have to wonder if Tenn is really going to stick with Mettanberger as they are now indicting.

 

They don't seem to like Mariota. Everyone else will be there at #33, and later.

[indyagent17]

I personally think its a waste of money. If Luck goes down Matt is not going to get us anywhere

 

I like grooming a young QB on a minimal contract 

[Valpo2004]

I personally think its a waste of money. If Luck goes down Matt is not going to get us anywhere

 

I like grooming a young QB on a minimal contract 

 

Matt could win us some games against lesser opponents.  Obviously if Luck is out for the season that's bad, seaon's over.  But if he's out for a few weeks, Matt H could get us a few wins that we wouldn't have gotten otherwise with a lesser backup.

 

Not a waste, it's only 3 mil for 1  year and he's one of the best backups in the league right now.  

[esmort]

For a one year deal?

 

No, it can't.

 

Go to a football board and accounting discussion breaks out. 

 

Even though it is a one year deal so we can't manipulate his contract specifically, if for some reason we wanted or needed to open up $3 million more this year we could structure one or more of the larger multi-year deals to carry the $3 million forward; in effect giving us that money back this year. I know there can be negatives to doing things like this, but my original point was Hasselbeck's contract it is not going to be what prohibits us from getting the players we want this year; because there is usually a way to "get more money".

 

I am sure there will be players we are interested in who we don't get because they are asking more than we are willing to pay, but not giving Hasselbeck that contract would not have changed that.

[jet1968]

Great! Obviously the Colts learned something from a few years back.

[dw49]

They don't seem to like Mariota. Everyone else will be there at #33, and later.

 

 

I think teams are getting very wary of these QB's that play in college spread offenses. Yeah , it sure appears to be Winston at the top or near top of the draft. Lots of mixed reports on where Mariota is taken. Anywhere from around 4th to 20th seems the range, Then Hundley and a few other guys that I don't think even begin to go until the later part of round 2.

[Superman]

I think teams are getting very wary of these QB's that play in college spread offenses. Yeah , it sure appears to be Winston at the top or near top of the draft. Lots of mixed reports on where Mariota is taken. Anywhere from around 4th to 20th seems the range, Then Hundley and a few other guys that I don't think even begin to go until the later part of round 2.

 

Yup. Bryce Petty seems to be moving up, also.

 

Thing about spread QBs is that they have to be given time to learn the pro game. From mechanics, to everything that Bruce Arians said the other day, it's almost like playing a different position. Mariota is a good kid, good attitude, has the physical traits, etc. But if you ask him to go be a pro-style QB in 2015, you're probably doing yourself a disservice. Ironically, I think Arizona would be a good destination for him. Sit behind Palmer, learn from some gurus, get on the field in 2016 or 2017.

 

But if he doesn't go to Philly, and he's asked to start in 2015, yikes.

[csmopar]

Tongue in cheek and no that not what he actually said.

He was very bad in his last 3 years in Seattle. And he wasn't 40 years old when he had those years. More like 35. Had a decent year in Tenn 4 years ago. So maybe in the last 7 years of his career you have around 55 passes thrown in the past 2 years and one decent to good year in the preceding 5 years. You guys are just stating like a fact that he can still play the position at 40 years old . History says your wrong but hey if you guys like it it's your prerogative . I just don't think all these statements that he can win half our games if Luck goes down is anymore than rhetoric . But maybe he can...

Opps.. didn't mean to run these together like that.

Still 50 percent is better than 1.5%....

[dw49]

Great! Obviously the Colts learned something from a few years back.

 

 

Dunno if it was really a learned lesson. Maybe we win 5-6 games with a good back up that year ? I think I lot of that "lesson" was Bill Polian saying it cost him his job. But did it real hurt the franchise ? Probably just the opposite as we would have an aging PM and a way more veteran team pressing hard up against the salary cap. Thing about back then was Bill Polian thinking Painter was a legit back up QB. He was a hard head as I don't think I ever saw good play from him in pre season games nor do I veer remember reading where he was impressive during camp. If you look back at that "star studded" team during the Polian Manning years , there's no way we would have benefited from paying 3-4 mill a year for a good back up QB. Nor could we have afforded it.

[dgambill]

And 2nd best QB in the AFC South.

Maybe....he couldn't keep his starting job in Tennessee before coming here...and when he did he wasn't exactly lighting it up. I thought it was great the past few years having him to mentor Andrew but at this point I'm not sure what else he can offer. Perhaps he does a great job in practice getting the receivers work etc when Luck is not working out. I'm not saying he isn't worth it but lets face it he hasn't seem consequential game action in several years. Even a veteren that is playing week to week has a hard enough time keeping up with the game much less one that gets only a few reps. I am ok with the signing but I would be ok with bringing in a guy like Colt Mccoy though to pay the same.

[Superman]

Maybe....he couldn't keep his starting job in Tennessee before coming here...and when he did he wasn't exactly lighting it up. I thought it was great the past few years having him to mentor Andrew but at this point I'm not sure what else he can offer. Perhaps he does a great job in practice getting the receivers work etc when Luck is not working out. I'm not saying he isn't worth it but lets face it he hasn't seem consequential game action in several years. Even a veteren that is playing week to week has a hard enough time keeping up with the game much less one that gets only a few reps. I am ok with the signing but I would be ok with bringing in a guy like Colt Mccoy though to pay the same.

 

Thing is, pretty much everything you said about Hasselbeck applies to McCoy. He's just not as old, and hasn't played as many games. 

[Gavin]

Glad to have him back

[dgambill]

Thing is, pretty much everything you said about Hasselbeck applies to McCoy. He's just not as old, and hasn't played as many games. 

I agree and likely he would cost more so I understand bringing back Hasselbeck but I actually think Mccoy would fair better than Hasselbeck. At least he has seen meaningful playing time the last few years and not just some light clean up duty. At this stage in his career I think he is better set to step in during the season for a 4 or 5 game stretch. He only made like 800k last year. Probably double that this year but still half what Hasselbeck is getting.  But I get it...I just am not sure what Hasselbeck can do at this stage in his career and so long since removed from real significant game action. I wouldn't even be opposed to bringing in a rookie either...much cheaper and who knows maybe get a draft pick out of the kid if they show any promise down the line.

[dw49]

Thing is, pretty much everything you said about Hasselbeck applies to McCoy. He's just not as old, and hasn't played as many games. 

 

 

Dunno about everything being the same. I think Hasslebach made about 3.6 mill in 2014. See below for McCoy...

 

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/colt-mccoy/

[Superman]

Dunno about everything being the same. I think Hasslebach made about 3.6 mill in 2014. See below for McCoy...

 

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/colt-mccoy/

 

He said he'd be fine with paying McCoy the same as Hasselbeck. Unless I misunderstood him.

[dw49]

He said he'd be fine with paying McCoy the same as Hasselbeck. Unless I misunderstood him.

 

 

After reading slowly and carefully what he said , I not sure exactly what he's saying. But I probably would agree that if I had to play one of those guys for a 4 game stretch , I'd probably take McCoy as I know what I'm getting. In either case , the NFL is now a passing league and unless you have a dynamite defense you , IMO , would be up poop creek without a paddle playing a bunch of games with either guy. 

[Superman]

After reading slowly and carefully what he said , I not sure exactly what he's saying. But I probably would agree that if I had to play one of those guys for a 4 game stretch , I'd probably take McCoy as I know what I'm getting. In either case , the NFL is now a passing league and unless you have a dynamite defense you , IMO , would be up poop creek without a paddle playing a bunch of games with either guy.

Then let's get to work on that dynamite defense. I don't see what's stopping us.

[dw49]

Then let's get to work on that dynamite defense. I don't see what's stopping us.

 

 

I think we'll see some improvement next year especially if Mathis has one more good year in him.

[oldunclemark]

There is no other position where..if you lose the guy...and have a rookie or inexperinced backup..

that the entire team suffers to an extinction level in a key division or playoff game

....I understand that fans think that since Hasselbeck hasn't played a lot that he somehow isn't any good..

but look at Matt's career ..he is the definition if a backup QB on a playoff team

[King Colt]

Hasselbeck is a winner tried and true.