So Who Thinks We Might Have Won 1-2 If They'd Pulled Painter Sooner?

[mightisright]

^{I know Painter started out pretty good the first two games, then sucked. Will Dan do the same? Who thinks we might have won at least 1-2 of those close games like last week if the coaching staff had gotten their heads out of their butts and put Dan in sooner?!}

[OLD FAN MAN]

^{I know Painter started out pretty good the first two games, then sucked. Will Dan do the same? Who thinks we might have won at least 1-2 of those close games like last week if the coaching staff had gotten their heads out of their butts and put Dan in sooner?!}

i agree dan looked like a real qb, not a high schooler or favorite frat boy qb

[billpolianx]

the colts would have won a game or two with a right handed qb throwing lefthanded before painter won a game

[mightisright]

hee hee! Wondering if a qb coach should be fired this season if he couldn't tell that Dan was the better QB.....

[mightisright]

Of course, maybe the QB coach has been saying all along that Dan was better and Jim Caldwell or Polian just didn't listen..

[WSO]

I know people are going to come in here and say it was against the Pats(worst pass D or something like that), garbage time etc. but some of Dan's throws were on the money, he made a lot of great throws, he spread the ball, and didn't have a ton of incompletions like Painter. Painter would always be around 45/50% because he made poor throws.

[TubaGuy]

We've been calling for the change for 3-4 games now. Last week painter was 2 for 9 in the middle of the 3rd quarter. NO reason for ANY QB to still be in under conditions like that. And 1/2 of Painter's receptions were because the receivers were making circus catches. Orlavsky was hitting the receivers IN STRIDE, making it possible for yards after the catch. It's about time...this change should be permanent for the rest of the season at the least.

[mightisright]

agreed^ Also, he seemed to have much better pocket presence. Better movement outside the pocket

[Turftoe]

We've been calling for the change for 3-4 games now. Last week painter was 2 for 9 in the middle of the 3rd quarter. NO reason for ANY QB to still be in under conditions like that. And 1/2 of Painter's receptions were because the receivers were making circus catches. Orlavsky was hitting the receivers IN STRIDE, making it possible for yards after the catch. It's about time...this change should be permanent for the rest of the season at the least.

This is one of those situations where the man on the street fan apparently knows more about who should be QB'ing the team than the coaches and management. More proof that this team needs dramatic change both on and off the field.

[Tim Hueber]

Absolutly 4 sure

[mightisright]

Coaches and GMs get stuck on their choices because to change mid-season seems like admitting they were wrong. My guess is the QB coach has been telling them all season that they think Dan's a better fit and they couldn't admit they had made a mistake. Cuz Dan looked better to me in the preseason, even.

[The Fish]

Painter is so bad we'd had a better shot at winning going wild cat the rest of the way. so yeah I think O might have done better.

[mightisright]

Huh? "might have done better?" Better decision making, clean crisp passes, better pocket presence, better movement outside the pocket..... I'm not saying he's the next Peyton Manning, but with Painter it would have been 6-42, if that....

[sfergson727]

Orlovsky has out played Painter in every outing, so I am not the least bit suprised. Painter is the one that should have been cut after training camp. For that matter, Brandstater out played Painter too. Why the heck did we retain Painter anyway??????

[mightisright]

^ Cuz they had to justify why they'd kept him on the roster this long if they were just going to cut him when it came time for him to actually play!

[objectivecoltsfan]

This was part of Lord Polian's master plan. Basically lock up the top pick then bring in Dan Orlovsky to play team he knows we can't beat anyways, like New England, Houston, and Baltimore.

[Coltswarriors]

Me.

I think we would have won the KC game, Jags game, and Possibly the Panthers game.

[mightisright]

hmmmmmm..... I think he'd have brought Dan in for the last game at least, just to make sure we don't become the 0-16 Lions.....

[objectivecoltsfan]

Look Orlovsky put up some nice stats but lets be honest here. It was in garbage time against the worst pass defense in the league. This is still the same clown that doesn't know that the white lines surrounding the field is out of bounds.

[Susie Q]

Look Orlovsky put up some nice stats but lets be honest here. It was in garbage time against the worst pass defense in the league. This is still the same clown that doesn't know that the white lines surrounding the field is out of bounds.

Did you ever make a mistake in your life? If so I hope your friends or whatever never let you live it down. Remember he was a Rookie and Rookies do make mistakes we have a few that have made many mistakes on out team. JMO of course

[Silver Clown]

Well he could have made a difference in the closer games we've played this season alright. Although we probably wouldn't be looking at more than about 2-3 wins max even without Painter starting.

[mightisright]

Gargage time, puhleaaaze!

300+ yards and 2 tds does not equal garbage time. Did the Pats ease up, sure. But you can't thumb your nose at 300- yards and 10/15 third down conversions (as opposed to Painter's 2/9 last game). And 26 first downs. Time of possession 36 minutes. That's a HUGE improvement over the last several games!

[objectivecoltsfan]

Gargage time, puhleaaaze!

300+ yards and 2 tds does not equal garbage time. Did the Pats ease up, sure. But you can't thumb your nose at 300- yards and 10/15 third down conversions (as opposed to Painter's 2/9 last game). And 26 first downs. Time of possession 36 minutes. That's a HUGE improvement over the last several games!

Garbage time. We were down by 28 points going into the 4th quarter. Garbage time.

[objectivecoltsfan]

Did you ever make a mistake in your life? If so I hope your friends or whatever never let you live it down. Remember he was a Rookie and Rookies do make mistakes we have a few that have made many mistakes on out team. JMO of course

Rookie mistakes are throwing bad INT's, fumbles, back sacks etc. Any 8 year old in pop warner football knows that the white line is out of bounds.

[mightisright]

Garbage time. We were down by 28 points going into the 4th quarter. Garbage time.

And there's always a hater that calls him/herself "objective"

Get a grip, he was WAY better, "garbage" time or not.

[sfergson727]

Garbage time. We were down by 28 points going into the 4th quarter. Garbage time.

And what game has Painter played in where it wasn't so called "Garbage time"? Almost all of our games have been out of reach by the fourth, so the comparison still is very much valid. You are also forgetting that the last thing the Pats wanted to do was let the game get close, they wanted nothing more than to humiliate the Colts, and they didn't in large part due to Dan's play.

[objectivecoltsfan]

And what game has Painter played in where it wasn't so called "Garbage time"? Almost all of our games have been out of reach by the fourth, so the comparison still is very much valid. You are also forgetting that the last thing the Pats wanted to do was let the game get close, they wanted nothing more than to humiliate the Colts, and they didn't in large part due to Dan's play.

According to who? The Patriots were bored out of their mind playing an awful opponent in a game that was out of hand.

[mightisright]

According to who? The Patriots were bored out of their mind playing an awful opponent in a game that was out of hand.

I saw WAY to much rejoicing over every hit, every sack, every stop to say they were bored. Find another argument.

[Andy]

I think we would have won the Jags game, and probably the Panthers game.

[objectivecoltsfan]

Watch Orlovsky come out next week and got 10/25 for 98 yards and 2 INTs.

[unitaswestand]

I've thought if we had a middle of the road NFL QB, we would have at least 4 wins right now.

[objectivecoltsfan]

I've thought if we had a middle of the road NFL QB, we would have at least 4 wins right now.

If we had brought in Favre at the start of the year like I wanted to we would be in contention.

[icf]

He at least looked the part of an NFL QB....something painter only managed to do on 1 or 2 plays over the last 2 months.

[mightisright]

If we had brought in Favre at the start of the year like I wanted to we would be in contention.

like Farve would come here. Not for less than 10 mil at least

[mightisright]

He at least looked the part of an NFL QB....something painter only managed to do on 1 or 2 plays over the last 2 months.

Agreed! Especially since he only had a week to prepare with this team, I thought he looked great. Of course it would take a few plays to start feeling comfortable with this offense. But he definitely improved and even in the beginning looked very competent.

[John Dee]

^{I know Painter started out pretty good the first two games, then sucked. Will Dan do the same? Who thinks we might have won at least 1-2 of those close games like last week if the coaching staff had gotten their heads out of their butts and put Dan in sooner?!}

Dan O had the luxury of getting one of the worst pass D's in the league take their foot off of the pedal up 31-3.

Seriously now... Lets see this team do it "when it matters"......

[John Dee]

Oh and by the way.... I do prefer DO @ qb......

If the team starts him the rest of the way out I do think they will get Tenn, or Jax.

[mightisright]

Dan O had the luxury of getting one of the worst pass D's in the league take their foot off of the pedal up 31-3.

Seriously now... Lets see this team do it "when it matters"......

Worst Pass D's my butt. They may allow yards, but not a whole lotta points. And if they took their foot off the pedal, then why did they have to send Tommie boy out for the last play of the game? Because we were making them a little nervous. This whole garbage time thing floors me.

[Coltsman1788]

Orlovsky put up good numbers but most of those came when the game was no longer in question. We made it close in the end but that was cosmetic against the Pats playing their prevent 4th quarter defense. He still looked better than Painter ever has but let's give it a few weeks before we pronounce his arrival. I reserve judgement until I see him putting up those numbers and points when the outcome is actually in question and after seeing how he does after NFL teams get some film on him in our offense. People were up in arms excited over Painter when he came in for Collins against Pittsburgh as well. So I need to see more before forming an opinion on him.

[mightisright]

I'm not saying he's the next Peyton, or even that he's a great qb, just that it was great to get 300+ yards, 10 3rd down conversions, 26 first downs, and two passing TDs. Yeah, they were up 31-3 but do you really think they intended to play things down to the wire so that they had to recover an onside kick to seal the game? That they had to send Tommy boy in to kneel down the last play so as not to screw up the game tells me that Dan accomplished something. Can he do it next week? I don't know. But he looked a heck of a lot more poised out there than Painter ever did.