An Idea Just Crossed My Mind

[Balzer40]

Isnt it obvious that Luck is a great College QB? And you have to be very intelligent to go to Stanford in the first place and Major in Architectual Design, so isnt that a given? Look Jason, just because I choose to post less than 800 paragraphs in a post, doesnt change the given factors in an argument. You dont think we should go with Luck, and you have stated why you wouldnt. That is great. No problem with that. I have stated why I think you cant let him pass IF you could draft him. I think both arguments have very valid points to be honest. I could totally see the point of addressing other needs when we already have a franchise QB on the roster. But I would hate to see luck go to the Dolphins and watch them dominate the AFC for the next 10 years if we could have had him.

I agree on Luck. Im not completely opposed to a trade if we had the 1st pick, but I would want a kings ransom for it. I have stated why I think it would be absolutely moronic to pass on Luck. Luck is not media driven hype, virtually every single pro scout that evaluates these guys everyday talks about how he has ZERO holes in his game and is heads and shoulders above every other QB prospect in the draft.

I have seen almost everyone of his games and although im no professional, this kid is amazing for a college QB. His ability to recognize defenses and make perfect accurate throws consistantly is what makes him so much better. Landry Jones would, as of right now, be the next QB in line but is still no where close to Luck. IMO if we passed on Luck the Colts org. would regret it for the next 15 yrs.

Yeah, it is not ideal that if Manning comes back completely healthy, he(Luck) would have to ride the bench for a few yrs., but with the type of injury Manning had, I don't think anybody should be depending on him to be around that much longer. Manning is not exactly a spring chicken anymore.

[TCColtsFan]

Isnt it obvious that Luck is a great College QB? And you have to be very intelligent to go to Stanford in the first place and Major in Architectual Design, so isnt that a given? Look Jason, just because I choose to post less than 800 paragraphs in a post, doesnt change the given factors in an argument. You dont think we should go with Luck, and you have stated why you wouldnt. That is great. No problem with that. I have stated why I think you cant let him pass IF you could draft him. I think both arguments have very valid points to be honest. I could totally see the point of addressing other needs when we already have a franchise QB on the roster. But I would hate to see luck go to the Dolphins and watch them dominate the AFC for the next 10 years if we could have had him.

Yes it is obvious Luck is a great college QB. So were:

Jeff George, Drew Bledsoe, Peyton Manning, Tim Couch, Mike Vic, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russel, Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford and Cam Newton.

They were all picked #1 overall since 1990. Quite a few of them were "NFL ready, can't miss" prospects. How many on that list do you believe could or can do all the things Manning does when he steps on the field? He not only changes the entire offense, he also dictated how the other team plays offense thus affecting our defensive scheme as well. No one else on that list could do that. Luck has a great chance to become a great quarterback but with the team we have now, he would probably burn out. Steve Young stepped into a great team when Montana left and he produced. Aaron Rodgers stepped into a great team when Favre left and produced. What has happened with Denver after Elway, Miami after Marino, Dallas after Aikman? I think all those teams continued on with what they had before thier pro-bowl quarterbacks left the team and the results have been average at best. Make the team as a whole better now with this opportunity the Colts have been given and it will benefit both Manning and the next guy in.

[Jason_]

Isnt it obvious that Luck is a great College QB? And you have to be very intelligent to go to Stanford in the first place and Major in Architectual Design, so isnt that a given? Look Jason, just because I choose to post less than 800 paragraphs in a post, doesnt change the given factors in an argument. You dont think we should go with Luck, and you have stated why you wouldnt. That is great. No problem with that. I have stated why I think you cant let him pass IF you could draft him. I think both arguments have very valid points to be honest. I could totally see the point of addressing other needs when we already have a franchise QB on the roster. But I would hate to see luck go to the Dolphins and watch them dominate the AFC for the next 10 years if we could have had him.

I have no idea what the # of paragraphs in a post has to do with anything but whatever. I am fully content to agree to disagree here.

Why the heck would you start doing 7 round mock draft's in september?So much can happen before april just seem's crazy.

Some professional drafting sites already have mock drafts posted for the 2013 draft. Of course things are going to change between now and then. No reason we can't consider the various possibilities in the mean time.

[Jason_]

I agree on Luck. Im not completely opposed to a trade if we had the 1st pick, but I would want a kings ransom for it.

Of course I would want a king's ransom....it's that ransom that ultimately makes the trade worthwhile. And I think a team trading up for Luck would be willing to give up far more than Atlanta did last year for Julio Jones.

[Xfiles]

I have no idea what the # of paragraphs in a post has to do with anything but whatever. I am fully content to agree to disagree here.

Some professional drafting sites already have mock drafts posted for the 2013 draft. Of course things are going to change between now and then. No reason we can't consider the various possibilities in the mean time.

I was simply referencing that I usually dont type out long posts and try and have every single detail in a post forcing someone to read for 15 minutes. I like to give the summary/abridged version.

[WSO]

I hope they take Luck, yes he may sit behind Manning for a few years but that is a price I think the Colts are willing to pay for another 10-15 good years out of Luck as a starter.

[GoColts8818]

I hope they take Luck, yes he may sit behind Manning for a few years but that is a price I think the Colts are willing to pay for another 10-15 good years out of Luck as a starter.

If we take Luck and sit him for four years (which we would do with Peyton's contract) then it's going to be closer to 10 good years. Also if Luck honestly feels like the Colts are going to take him he might decide he doesn't want to sit for four years and go back to school for his senior year to avoid just that.

[Jason_]

I was simply referencing that I usually dont type out long posts and try and have every single detail in a post forcing someone to read for 15 minutes. I like to give the summary/abridged version.

Yes but your summary is like one of those "choose your fate" books where you make a decision and go to a specific page based on your decision. You, however, have been keeping your finger at that decision point and as soon as I point out a flaw in your argument, you go back and choose the other path. Again your points (I'll keep it short):

you: Luck is best QB to run our system

me: well no he isn't. Standford is power run, Colts more finesse

you: no Luck is intelligent. From Stanford. Stanford QB is smart QB

me: Stanford hasn't produced NFL starting QB in decade

you: Luck has better talent

me: that was not part of your first or second point *confused*

Agree to disagree because your story keeps changing...and don't want waste u time.

[Xfiles]

Yes but your summary is like one of those "choose your fate" books where you make a decision and go to a specific page based on your decision. You, however, have been keeping your finger at that decision point and as soon as I point out a flaw in your argument, you go back and choose the other path. Again your points (I'll keep it short):

you: Luck is best QB to run our system

me: well no he isn't. Standford is power run, Colts more finesse

you: no Luck is intelligent. From Stanford. Stanford QB is smart QB

me: Stanford hasn't produced NFL starting QB in decade

you: Luck has better talent

me: that was not part of your first or second point *confused*

Agree to disagree because your story keeps changing...and don't want waste u time.

My story never changed once....seiously man.....move on with your life.

I read through every one of my posts in this thread and my story never changed once...I stated many times I believe luck is more talented than any of those other QB's you mentioned, and he is an Architectural Design and Engineering Major at Stanford, an illustrious university known for its high academic standards(known to most people, not you I guess) so his intelligence is on Par with Peyton, who we all agree is a very, very intelligent QB. Now how does any of that suggest my story changed? I think you just dont like it when people disagree with you.

[JoKeR]

Draft Luck no matter what.

He will basically have the same trade value down the road and will be the best insurance policy at QB in the meantime. No one thinks Manning's career will be shortened? Cause im thinking he's got 3 years Max now, before all the major surgeries I was thinking 6 years.

[Jason_]

My story never changed once....seiously man.....move on with your life.

I read through every one of my posts in this thread and my story never changed once...I stated many times I believe luck is more talented than any of those other QB's you mentioned, and he is an Architectural Design and Engineering Major at Stanford, an illustrious university known for its high academic standards(known to most people, not you I guess) so his intelligence is on Par with Peyton, who we all agree is a very, very intelligent QB. Now how does any of that suggest my story changed? I think you just dont like it when people disagree with you.

No, believe me I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. Life would be boring if everyone agreed. This part, however,

Stanford, an illustrious university known for its high academic standards(known to most people, not you I guess)

tells me that continuing this conversation with you is pointless. I never once made any type of comment that could be construed as me not believing that Stanford is known for academic excellence.

The whole point of the discussion was to find out exactly why, with just an iota of proof instead of mere opinion and speculation, as to why Luck is so far and away better than the other QB's. You have not been able to provide this in the least. I've seen other members in other threads also having issues with you and you keeping your story straight so...yeah, we're done here. I am perfectly content to agree to disagree.

[Xfiles]

No, believe me I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. Life would be boring if everyone agreed. This part, however, tells me that continuing this conversation with you is pointless. I never once made any type of comment that could be construed as me not believing that Stanford is known for academic excellence.

The whole point of the discussion was to find out exactly why, with just an iota of proof instead of mere opinion and speculation, as to why Luck is so far and away better than the other QB's. You have not been able to provide this in the least. I've seen other members in other threads also having issues with you and you keeping your story straight so...yeah, we're done here. I am perfectly content to agree to disagree.

yeah. youre content, super, thanks.

[Jason_]

yeah. youre content, super, thanks.

lol...stay classy man.

btw, I'm not so sure that I'm the one who has a problem with being disagreed with. ;)

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[Xfiles]

lol...stay classy man.

btw, I'm not so sure that I'm the one who has a problem with being disagreed with. ;)

:topic:

Ok. Thanks. Not sure I need to live up to any of your predetermined standards...but dont apologize or anything for saying my story changed when it clearly didnt. You conveniently left that out.

Go ahead and respond with more emoticons and try and make yourself look as classy as you wish everyone else should be, I am done responding to you in this thread.

[Jason_]

Because Luck is Better, and smarter than all those players you mentioned. He is the most likely to be able to step in and run the type of offense we run here

If Stanford lined up primarily in 1 back sets with multiple WR's, then I would agree that your theory would likely be correct. However, they line up in goal line type formations all over the field. I've watched them run a full drive from a 3 TE/2 RB set without a single WR on the field. They are a power running team first and a passing team second.

I was not comparing the offeneses <img src='http://forums.colts.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/31hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='lol' /> I was referring to the intelligence of a Stanford Quarterback.

However, you were referring to the intelligence of a Stanford QB correct? So if Stanford QB's are that much more intelligent than QB's from other schools then Stanford must have a rich history of sending Quality QB's to the NFL right? Yeah, except they haven't: This was unnecessarily argumentative on my part...for this I do apologize

You are making a comparison of Quarterbacks who are not percieved to have nearly the skill set that Luck does,

No. First you said that Luck is the best QB to come in and run 'our' offense. I pointed out that I disagreed due to the overwhelming differences between Stanford's offense and the Colts offense. You replied by saying that a Stanford QB is an intelligent QB and can come in and run any system. I pointed out that Stanford has not produced a QB that has done a single thing in the NFL in over a decade. Now you say I'm comparing Luck to QB's with less talent. I can't have an actual discussion about this if you keep changing the point you say you were trying to make after I prove you wrong. ;)

Isnt it obvious that Luck is a great College QB? And you have to be very intelligent to go to Stanford in the first place and Major in Architectual Design, so isnt that a given? Clearly Luck is highly intelligent, I never questioned that. However, the NFL is full of highly intelligent QB's, some who even looked like future HOF'ers in College that simply couldn't make it work in the pros. So simply having high intelligence is not a reason, imo, to consider him THAT much higher than the other very talented QB's who are going to other schools

Your story was modified/updated/changed every time I presented a point to what you said. So no, I see no reason to apologize for saying your story changed when it clearly (as demonstrated above) did. I do apologize for getting unnecessarily argumentative early on however.

Unless the discussion goes back to Luck, or better yet potential trade considerations as that is actually what the initial point of the thread was, then this too is my last comment to you. If you wish to have any further discussion non-related to Luck or this thread you can PM me.

[Jason_]

Let's say the Colts do get the #1 overall pick in the draft, and they want to trade it. Let's discuss possible trading partners

I think San Fran could be very interested but they likely wouldn't give up Willis in the deal...or at the very least they'd try to keep him out if possible and package Kaepernick instead. Honestly, I wouldn't overlook this because Kaepernick is one of the QB's Polian scouted last year. Like many young QB's he's raw and needs developed, which is exactly we want to do with whoever the next QB is. Same may be true with Cleveland or Cincinnati though to a lesser degree with these teams.

Cleveland however could be interested in an elite WR or pass rusher. Detroit could possibly be interested in shoring up their OL by moving up for Kalil. NE, though unlikely, could also be looking for that elite WR or Pass rusher.

Personally, if we have the #1 pick I would love to see multiple trade downs, but each one only gradually moving down. For example, go from 1 to say 3 or 4, and then go from 3 or 4 down to 8-10. Through both trades we'd likely acquire an additional 2nd, 3rd or 4th this year (or combo of any 2) plus a 1st and maybe more next year. We'd be stacked in the draft for next year as well. NE did this last year...how many times did they go on the clock and move down before finally actually making a pick? Lol

[coltfaninnewyork]

The argument that stanford has not produced any nfl caliber qb's is flawed.Tennessee has produced peyton manning yet heath schuler was a bust and no qb other than peyton has excelled in the nfl.How you can say with conviction that luck will not work out in the nfl is funny.Considering nfl scouts who do this for a living are high on him.

[Jason_]

The argument that stanford has not produced any nfl caliber qb's is flawed.

I fully agree...just like the argument that a QB from Stanford is more prepared to be an NFL QB, which is the argument I was trying to refute. The great QBs in NFL history have come from a wide range of schools. I'd be surprised if there were a particular school that had produced a significantly higher number of pro QB's than any other.

Tennessee has produced peyton manning yet heath schuler was a bust and no qb other than peyton has excelled in the nfl.How you can say with conviction that luck will not work out in the nfl is funny.Considering nfl scouts who do this for a living are high on him.

If that was to me, when did I ever say with conviction that Luck wouldn't work out? I never said that because I don't believe it. The entire premise of my opinion is that I don't think he is THAT much better (as far as natural talent, physical ability etc) than the other QB prospects that we must draft Luck over someone else like Landry Jones, Nick Foles, Matt Barkley etc. Especially considering the QB we draft will be (unless something changes between now and then) sitting behind Peyton for 2-4 years, more than enough time to help a less polished QB work on the minor issues in mechanics, etc that prevented them from being the most NFL-ready at the time of the draft.

Everyone is comparing Luck to Rodgers but this isn't a correct comparison. Rodgers was not NFL-ready when he came out in the draft. He needed work on his mechanics and that's why he was NOT drafted #1 overall and instead was still available at the end of the first round for the Packers to pick him up. They worked with him over the course of Favre's last remaining years and polished/groomed him to become the QB he is today. We would be doing exactly the same thing if we waited until the end of the first round or the second round to take a Foles, Jones (though Jones is likely to be a top 5 or top 10 pick), Kellen Moore or Kirk Cousins.

[coltfaninnewyork]

If that was to me, when did I ever say with conviction that Luck wouldn't work out? I never said that because I don't believe it. The entire premise of my opinion is that I don't think he is THAT much better (as far as natural talent, physical ability etc) than the other QB prospects that we must draft Luck over someone else like Landry Jones, Nick Foles, Matt Barkley etc. Especially considering the QB we draft will be (unless something changes between now and then) sitting behind Peyton for 2-4 years, more than enough time to help a less polished QB work on the minor issues in mechanics, etc that prevented them from being the most NFL-ready at the time of the draft.

Everyone is comparing Luck to Rodgers but this isn't a correct comparison. Rodgers was not NFL-ready when he came out in the draft. He needed work on his mechanics and that's why he was NOT drafted #1 overall and instead was still available at the end of the first round for the Packers to pick him up. They worked with him over the course of Favre's last remaining years and polished/groomed him to become the QB he is today. We would be doing exactly the same thing if we waited until the end of the first round or the second round to take a Foles, Jones (though Jones is likely to be a top 5 or top 10 pick), Kellen Moore or Kirk Cousins.

You did state that stanford has not produced any nfl caliber qb's.correct?And that it was a risk based on that ...no?Than why bring up all the failed qb's that came out of stanford...what was the point?If the draft has taught us anything it's who know's?I am not a scout or a personal guy,the draft is littered with can't misses who were misses.I do not think anyone is right or wrong until we actually see these guy's play.Let's just hope our colt's make the right decision.

[Jason_]

You did state that stanford has not produced any nfl caliber qb's. yescorrect?And that it was a risk based on thatNo ...no?Than why bring up all the failed qb's that came out of stanford

Yes I pointed out that Stanford hasn't produced a quality NFL QB but no not for the reason you said. It was said, or at least the way I understood it, that because he is a "Stanford QB" then he is more prepared than the other QB prospects to come in and run any NFL offense.

[coltfaninnewyork]

Yes I pointed out that Stanford hasn't produced a quality NFL QB but no not for the reason you said. It was said, or at least the way I understood it, that because he is a "Stanford QB" then he is more prepared than the other QB prospects to come in and run any NFL offense.

Well than you would know,i took it differently.Peace.

[BmoreColt]

Jason, all the pre-draft stuff I have looked at says Jerel Worthy Michigan St. is the number one rated DT out of college and then they have the Miami kid Marcus Forston, both appear to have more size to be more of a NT, I could be wrong? Your Clemson guy looks more like a 4-3 UT, I like Nevis going forward as an UT, think we need to get a dominant NT, Mookie would be better as a back-up NT.. IMO, Alameda Ta'Amu 340 LB. DT plays a 3-4 NT in the huskies system, I don’t believe him to be more of a pass rusher, and he gets a lot of comparison to Haloti Nagta, who I watch every Sunday being from Baltimore. Again I could be wrong, but thus far it doesn’t look like a lot of dominant NT’s coming out this draft. I was reading some stampede blue, and a guy mentioned a safety from Iowa named Jordan Bernstine and posted a youtube link, this guy was BLASTING people, all I know is the Colts need the next Laron Landry.. a big-time box safety who really puts the wood in people. Do you have a suggestion there I could you-tube and look at? Also Kirpatrick could have the hype because of the system he is in, the Alabama defense is really good, I personally like their LB core and safety duo. Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska is the corner that I really like!

[Jason_]

Jason, all the pre-draft stuff I have looked at says Jerel Worthy Michigan St. is the number one rated DT out of college and then they have the Miami kid Marcus Forston, both appear to have more size to be more of a NT, I could be wrong? Your Clemson guy looks more like a 4-3 UT, I like Nevis going forward as an UT, think we need to get a dominant NT, Mookie would be better as a back-up NT.. IMO, Alameda Ta'Amu 340 LB. DT plays a 3-4 NT in the huskies system, I don’t believe him to be more of a pass rusher, and he gets a lot of comparison to Haloti Nagta, who I watch every Sunday being from Baltimore. Again I could be wrong, but thus far it doesn’t look like a lot of dominant NT’s coming out this draft. I was reading some stampede blue, and a guy mentioned a safety from Iowa named Jordan Bernstine and posted a youtube link, this guy was BLASTING people, all I know is the Colts need the next Laron Landry.. a big-time box safety who really puts the wood in people. Do you have a suggestion there I could you-tube and look at? Also Kirpatrick could have the hype because of the system he is in, the Alabama defense is really good, I personally like their LB core and safety duo. Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska is the corner that I really like!

From What I've seen,

Jerel Worthy: he is an UT, not a NT..though he is a very good one.

Brandon Thompson: He is a little closer in size to an UT but he definitely plays the NT position. Bare in mind, while some may say he's a little undersized for an NFL NT (and for a 3-4 I'd agree), he's actually a little bigger than Booger McFarland was. So, I think he could be a great 4-3 NT, but in a 3-4 he'd be a DE. He has both strength and speed and even more so is his explosiveness. Not only his explosiveness off the line but also his hands...he's constantly swatting at the blocker to prevent them from fully engaging him. I've been very pleased with what I've seen from Mookie Johnson, but Thompson would be an upgrade and Mookie would be very solid depth.

Alameda Ta'amu: I've watched multiple Washington games and I've seen the same from him in each game. He does line up as their NT but he doesn't play the position very well. He'd be much better off losing weight and using speed to be an UT instead of trying to be an NFL NT. He's just not very strong even though he's 344 lbs. He rarely gets penetration against 1 on 1 blocks so when he's double blocked (like most NFL NT's are) he'll get moved backwards. My prediction is he has possibly the biggest fall and winds up in the 5th round area unless he makes some adjustments to his game or just greatly improves.

Forston: haven't seen him play yet so can't say

If you want a comparison to Haloti Ngata, and someone a lot of people might overlook as being a one-dimensional run-stuffer, take a look at Dontari Poe of Memphis. He's 6'5" and 350 lbs. So yeah, most people may look at him and say he'll simply clog the line but that's far from true. He has more speed than you'd imagine possible for a guy his size. On one particular play, the 350 lb man-child stunted around the line, found the hole and drove towards the QB and almost got a safety...but the QB fumbled and an OL guy recovered on like the 2 yard line. And no, he didn't get there because the QB held the ball too long...he showed great closing speed. Hopefully I can catch more Memphis games as the year goes on. My only concern would be conditioning. He could probably lose around 10-15 lbs, maybe get a little faster and improve his overall stamina without giving up any strength. I tell ya what, if we draft him, stand him next to Antonio Johnson, Drake Nevis, Moala and Jamal Anderson and you'll never hear the term "undersized Colts" ever again. LOL

A couple of other NT's that are projected as mid round picks that I've been impressed with so far are Kendall Reyes of UConn and Jaye Howard of Florida....I was more impressed with Howard though. Essentially they're both similar to Thompson in that they have both size and strength, but they don't have the same explosiveness.

As for CBs...Kirkpatrick is just a beast. You can leave him on an island with the other team's top receiver and know there will at least be contain if not a full shut down. He'd have some trouble with guys like Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall and Calvin Johnson but let's be real...what CB wouldn't? He's a hard hitter but he's smart about it and he's a great wrap-up tackler. He also has great play recognition.

Morris Claiborn is the other CB I've watched and been the most impressed with. I haven't been able to watch enough of Gilmore, Rhodes, Dennard or Jenkins to form an impression yet so I'm not taking away from those guys, it's just that I have watched Claiborn more.

My favorite SS's are Mark Barron, Bacari Rambo (he might not be eligible until 2013) and Harrison Smith...check out youtube for Smith. He plays at Notre Dame and reminds me a lot of John Lynch.

[Jason_]

to add, Brandon Thompson and Jerel Worthy are both the same size, 6'3" and 310 lbs. (OK Thompson is 6'2" lol). Also keep an eye on Josh Chapman of Alabama. He's 6'1" 310 lbs. I try to watch him but every time I watch Alabama I wind up focusing more on Kirkpatrick and Barron. lol

[BmoreColt]

A cbs sports pre draft rankings actually has Thompson ranked above Worthy, so you may be on to something here, he plays NT in their 4-3 system? He apparently gets serious penetration, he and Nevis could be a great combo, and I think Mookie is excellent depth also! I do not like Moala, think he is over rated byColts fans, just like I have been saying about Brackett and Bullit, fortunately they are both injured so we get to see more Angerer and Lefeged. But I really want a hard hitting SS, I will have to look at those guys, you should really you tube the guy from Iowa, the only knock on him is injury prone, remind you of another Iowa SS? And Kirpatrick really has the talent around him to take more risks, I think the Nebraska kid is a real talent, better than Amakamura, just like Kalil who I like for the first pick was better than Tyron, same effect!

[Jason_]

A cbs sports pre draft rankings actually has Thompson ranked above Worthy, so you may be on to something here, he plays NT in their 4-3 system? He apparently gets serious penetration, he and Nevis could be a great combo, and I think Mookie is excellent depth also! I do not like Moala, think he is over rated byColts fans, just like I have been saying about Brackett and Bullit, fortunately they are both injured so we get to see more Angerer and Lefeged. But I really want a hard hitting SS, I will have to look at those guys, you should really you tube the guy from Iowa, the only knock on him is injury prone, remind you of another Iowa SS? And Kirpatrick really has the talent around him to take more risks, I think the Nebraska kid is a real talent, better than Amakamura, just like Kalil who I like for the first pick was better than Tyron, same effect!

I've always thought Brackett was overrated and Bullitt...well I think the guy just got an unfair shake from a lot of fans. He was never brought in to be a starter but was always pushed into the position due to injury. I think he did his best but ultimately he would have been better as depth than the starter...no question about that.

I hate that most draft boards and draft sites don't list the difference between NT and UT. The best I've seen for this is http://www.mockingthedraft.com/pages/2012-nfl-draft-overall-rankings

the write ups they have describe the way the guy plays and what he does well. They also give their indication of whether the player will project better as a NT or UT and whether they'd be better in a 3-4 or 4-3.

I'll take a look and see what I can find on the Iowa safety.

[Jason_]

Unfortunately this doesn't say anything about his speed, but about Dontari Poe,

Poe, a former shot put champion in high school, can squat 700 pounds, bench 500 and power clean 400. Tigers strength coach Ryan Cidzik, who has coached Shaun Rogers and Kris Jenkins, told Feldman: "I've been around some very strong defensive linemen when I was coaching in the NFL, and Poe's up there with all of them. If I have another year with him, he will probably be the strongest player I've ever been around."

source: http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/tag/_/name/dontari-poe

[Fr33UpFr33ney]

Okay, Just for the Record....THIS IS NOT MADDEN 2006.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SEEN A PLAYER PACKAGE DEAL FOR DRAFTS PICKS BESIDES THE MANNING RIVERS DEAL?

NO BODY IS GOING TO GIVE THIER CONSENSUS, BEST PLAYERS ON THIER TEAM + DRAFT PICS FOR A COLLEGE QB.

PLEASE STOP WITH THESE THREADS. FTLOB PLEASE STOP.

[Jason_]

Okay, Just for the Record....THIS IS NOT MADDEN 2006.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SEEN A PLAYER PACKAGE DEAL FOR DRAFTS PICKS BESIDES THE MANNING RIVERS DEAL?

NO BODY IS GOING TO GIVE THIER CONSENSUS, BEST PLAYERS ON THIER TEAM + DRAFT PICS FOR A COLLEGE QB.

PLEASE STOP WITH THESE THREADS. FTLOB PLEASE STOP.

Just last year....Atlanta swapped first round picks with Cleveland and also gave cleveland their 2nd and 4th round picks last year PLUS their 1st and 4th round picks this year. No proposed trade in this thread is more outlandish than that.

If you don't like these threads, there's a very simple solution...don't open them. ;)