Grigson's Remarks Regarding Each New Free Agent

[unvrsty07]

The framework of democracy then.... there are many different variations but it originated as a philosophy not a political system. The same way Communism is the political system that grew out of Marxism/Socialism and Plato's 'communal living' social structure philosophy.

And, technically there are plenty of restrictions on what people can and cannot say in the US as well.

 

That is not accurate. Democracy originated as a political system, then the philosophy of its virtues and purpose inspired the teachings of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. Also, neither Communism nor socialism are political systems, they are economic systems. The growth of restricted free speech in the United States has mainly occurred due to the internet and anonymous postings by individuals who use it to bully others. Very little speech in the U.S. is restricted. Take for example the freedom of speech of political donations and corporate donations. Not trying to get in a pissing match, I was just trying to point out France has some crazy laws thats all. 

[chad72]

Correct me if I am wrong but Walden isn't a pure pass rushing guy, might explain the low sack count.

 

I think you are right. The Packers drafted Nick Perry for the pass rushing situations for that reason and did not use him much because he was inexperienced at first but then when he got playing time, he went down with injury. So Walden ended up playing more downs than the Packers had planned originally.

[Balzer40]

Why can't people just take a wait and see approach instead of throwing a fit about it now. If these players fail and suck next season, then throw your fits about them. At least then you'll have a logical argument to make. People act as if we just gave a blank check to Walden and it's just 4 mil guaranteed, Who cares? If he sucks, we cut him loose, no harm no foul, no big deal.

[Gavin]

Correct me if I am wrong but Walden isn't a pure pass rushing guy, might explain the low sack count.

rumor is (or was) thats what he was brought in for to be that pass rusher, Up in the air now I think, he is startin somewhere Im sure, Jim forked quite a bit of money for him (4 mill a year over 4 years). I think its a no brainer to go with Hughes after his good season last year in limited starts, Im no GM of course, I just call it like I see it, we are basically letting Hughes a former 1st round pick not get the best oppurtunity to prove himself

[#12]

God Bless America.

 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and to voice it.    This website tries very hard for all of us to be civil to one another.

 

But there are some posts being tossed around here yesterday and today that are simply breathtaking!    Seriously.

 

You'd think 2012 didn't happen.   Didn't we just go 11-5 on an $80 Mill payroll?

 

Suddenly,  Joe Average Fan knows more about NFL player personnel than a man who has scouted for a living and who was recently voted NFL GM of the Year knows.    Now, this is a bad thing.   Because apparently Grigson is now stubborn like Polian.

And he's trying too hard to think outside the box.

 

So the fan knows more than the GM.          :slaphead:    

 

This is a parallel universe that I want no part of.      

 

I would like to point out that you spent months railing on Arians.  Arians has forgotten more football than you will ever know.  Should someone have said that to you and his band of critics at the time?  You see the point I'm trying to make here?  I suppose anyone using the "Grigson knows more than you" line has forfeited their right to ever criticize the organization again, because, obviously, anyone who works in professional football knows more than you do. 

 

Allow people to have an opinion, because at some point, you might want to give one yourself.   Afterall, that's why we are here. 

[AntonMcG]

That is not accurate. Democracy originated as a political system, then the philosophy of its virtues and purpose inspired the teachings of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. Also, neither Communism nor socialism are political systems, they are economic systems. The growth of restricted free speech in the United States has mainly occurred due to the internet and anonymous postings by individuals who use it to bully others. Very little speech in the U.S. is restricted. Take for example the freedom of speech of political donations and corporate donations. Not trying to get in a ticking match, I was just trying to point out France has some crazy laws thats all.

You are correct, Communism is an economic system, but that is merely semantics. Plato's political writings were geared towards communal living which evolved into socialism, I am not aware of any writings that spoke in depth on democracy, though most of what I know comes from the Karl Marx interpretation of his writings.

I don't see how it is possible that democracy was a political system before it was a philosophy. The philosophy of how an ecosystem works must be in place before the laws are written, otherwise you are creating a means with no vision to an end.

Some conspiracy theorists would argue with you on the level of free speech in the US, I however am not one of them... my point was simply that there are many variations of what is interpreted as democracy.

[TKnight24]

LANDRY IS IN THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

[AntonMcG]

I would like to point out that you spent months railing on Arians.  Arians has forgotten more football than you will ever know.  Should someone have said that to you and his band of critics at the time?  You see the point I'm trying to make here?  I suppose anyone using the "Grigson knows more than you" line has forfeited their right to ever criticize the organization again, because, obviously, anyone who works in professional football knows more than you do. 

 

Allow people to have an opinion, because at some point, you might want to give one yourself.   Afterall, that's why we are here.

You are correct, allow people to have their opinion, but those who have their opinion should have the courtesy to back those opinion of with some sort of merit. I think yourself and Gavin have both done so, unfortunately many others in the past few days have just made silly negative comments that have little substance, and that is what is ticking people off.

[Frank S.]

i cant wait for these guys to go to work seen tape on Cherilus. . . they very rarely passed him and when they did they passed the qb as well i guess we just need a good pass rusher but Sidbury has a nice spin move too like a younger cheaper Freeney we still have the rest of free agency left, and the draft we just need the cherry on top for defence "impact player" im sure we'll get him in the draft

[NewColtsFan]

I would like to point out that you spent months railing on Arians.  Arians has forgotten more football than you will ever know.  Should someone have said that to you and his band of critics at the time?  You see the point I'm trying to make here?  I suppose anyone using the "Grigson knows more than you" line has forfeited their right to ever criticize the organization again, because, obviously, anyone who works in professional football knows more than you do. 

 

Allow people to have an opinion, because at some point, you might want to give one yourself.   Afterall, that's why we are here. 

 

 

If you've looked around at various threads, I've stated repeatedly that I don't care if someone's view is different from mine.

 

But none of my posts regarding Arians ever suggested that I know more about football than Arians does.   I stated it as an opinion and not as fact.    I was ALWAYS respectful of Arians.     In fact I'm the poster who paid tribute to Arians when he left for Arizona and thanked him for all he did.

 

I think your attempt to say equate my comments of Arians with some of the comments here of Grigson are wide of the mark.

 

I'm sure you'll disagree.

[unvrsty07]

You are correct, Communism is an economic system, but that is merely semantics. Plato's political writings were geared towards communal living which evolved into socialism, I am not aware of any writings that spoke in depth on democracy, though most of what I know comes from the Karl Marx interpretation of his writings.

I don't see how it is possible that democracy was a political system before it was a philosophy. The philosophy of how an ecosystem works must be in place before the laws are written, otherwise you are creating a means with no vision to an end.

Some conspiracy theorists would argue with you on the level of free speech in the US, I however am not one of them... my point was simply that there are many variations of what is interpreted as democracy.

 

No question about the variations in democracy. I just finished "The Patterns of Democracy" yesterday by Arend Lijphart (2012) and was pleasantly surprised at the differences in what we term "democracy".

 

I see what you mean about the causal relationship between the philosophy and the established government. I am just not sure I would credit those writers with the "democracy" of Greece, especially in its modern day form. I credit John Locke with the creation of the American system.

[Superman]

I would like to point out that you spent months railing on Arians. Arians has forgotten more football than you will ever know. Should someone have said that to you and his band of critics at the time? You see the point I'm trying to make here? I suppose anyone using the "Grigson knows more than you" line has forfeited their right to ever criticize the organization again, because, obviously, anyone who works in professional football knows more than you do.

Allow people to have an opinion, because at some point, you might want to give one yourself. Afterall, that's why we are here.

No, there's a need for balance, both in criticism and in this particular argument.

Those who are critical of Grigson's moves are pretty especially determined that he messed up with his signings. Walden is a scrub, he overpaid, what a waste, etc. There's no way to know whether his moves aren't good moves at this point because there's been no football played.

Being critical of an offensive coordinator is different, especially when the criticism is coming from analysis. Plenty of those who were critical of Arians over the course of the season were very open to him when he was hired. He proved while here to be worthy of criticism, as a coordinator. The results were in, and then judgment was made.

Here, you have a contingent of fans who are just about ready to get the pitchforks out because they don't like these signings. And, if history is any indication, some of these fans are going to spend the rest of the offseason complaining about these signings. let Erik Walden missed a tackle in preseason and see what happens.

There's no balance. You don't have to blindly co-sign everything Grigson does; I think we overpaid for Walden and Cherilus. But that's done now. I intend to jusdge these signings based on what happens on the field, and we're five months from taking the field. A chill pill is in order for a lot of people.

[#12]

If you've looked around at various threads, I've stated repeatedly that I don't care if someone's view is different from mine.

 

But none of my posts regarding Arians ever suggested that I know more about football than Arians does.   I stated it as an opinion and not as fact.    I was ALWAYS respectful of Arians.     In fact I'm the poster who paid tribute to Arians when he left for Arizona and thanked him for all he did.

 

I think your attempt to say equate my comments of Arians with some of the comments here of Grigson are wide of the mark.

 

I'm sure you'll disagree.

 

I don't care that you criticized Arians.  That's the point.  Just as I'm fine with someone giving their opinion on Grigson's moves or whatever.   That's why we are here. 

[#12]

Being critical of an offensive coordinator is different,

 

Because you were the one being critical, right?  ;)

 

I don't care that you criticized Arians. 

[Superman]

Because you were the one being critical, right? ;)

I don't care that you criticized Arians.

You don't thin it's different? When the offense dies for two and a half quarters, you can look back and figure out what led to that. But the judgments are made based on results, not supposition.

With a coach, you get results every week. With a GM, it usually takes several seasons to determine whether personnel decisions were effective or not.

[#12]

You don't thin it's different? When the offense dies for two and a half quarters, you can look back and figure out what led to that. But the judgments are made based on results, not supposition.

With a coach, you get results every week. With a GM, it usually takes several seasons to determine whether personnel decisions were effective or not.

 

I'm okay either way.  It's just fans giving their opinions.  No big deal.   

[Nostrils]

I like how most of y'all are rationalizing this failure of a free agency

 

 

wahhh wahhh booo hoooo... wahhhh cry about it baby

[esmort]

rumor is (or was) thats what he was brought in for to be that pass rusher, Up in the air now I think, he is startin somewhere Im sure, Jim forked quite a bit of money for him (4 mill a year over 4 years). I think its a no brainer to go with Hughes after his good season last year in limited starts, Im no GM of course, I just call it like I see it, we are basically letting Hughes a former 1st round pick not get the best oppurtunity to prove himself

 

Only $4 million guaranteed though ... so the contract is not nearly as big as it sounds.

[Douzer]

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Here’s Grigson’s Cliff’s Notes appraisal of his five new players.

• On Cherilus: “Gosder is a guy — you can’t coach 6-6, 320 — that plays snap to whistle and doesn’t take any flak from anyone. He’s out there fighting and scraping through every whistle. He plays hard. “I like how he plays the game. We like his approach. He’s 28, has tremendous amount of experience. You can count on him, and that’s what you need in protecting your edges.”

• On Thomas: “Another husky in the building. I was at his pro day coming out. He’s got a good number of starts under his belt. His arrow’s up. Played at a high level and played for a great organization (New England) and was highly productive on film against good players. “He’s going to compete for one of the guard spots. He bolsters the interior. He can play three positions.”

• On Walden: “In this defense, we’re always trying to get players who are really good fits for Chuck and what he’s trying to do. Erik is one of those guys for a long time you just see flying around. He plays really hard. The one thing that sticks out about Erik: He sets the edge and in a 3-4 that’s something your outside linebacker has to do. This guy does it in a textbook way. He jolts people’s heads back on contact. He’s violent with his hands. His motor never stops.”

• On Sidbury: “A guy who has always played in a 4-3. 6-3, 270. He had four sacks a couple of years ago. We feel the arrow’s up on Lawrence. It’s going to take some time for him to learn the scheme. I think he’s a good fit. It’s up to him.”

• On Toler: “He is a really exceptional athlete. Can run, has great quickness. But like Vontae (Davis), he’s a gifted cover man with great athletic ability, but he’s not afraid to stick his nose in there. He will tackle you. He’s not a late arriver. He’s not afraid to get his jersey dirty. “We’re delighted we were able to get him here. We feel we have a strong tandem moving forward.”

Good enough for me!

[JColts72]

Seattle and Denve rare getting stacked with great player moves and have less money then the Colts to use. Is Grigs afarid to spend Jim's money? I give our FA grade an objective F so far.