Turay vs Lewis

[CR91]

Contract year for both players. Let's say they both produce similar numbers, but Turay has a couple more sacks. Who do we keep? I can't see Ballard keeping both when Nelson and Hines are also up for new contracts.

 

 

[EastStreet]

They are different DE types. 

Not sure it's a either or choice for a GM.

Turay is probably more vs Banogu, with both being PR specialists.

Lewis is a tweener that slides.

[CR91]

31 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

They are different DE types. 

Not sure it's a either or choice for a GM.

Turay is probably more vs Banogu, with both being PR specialists.

Lewis is a tweener that slides.

 

The contract is the bigger issue not their role on defense. You see Ballard keeping both?

[IrsaysArmy]

I’ve always had a big crush on Turay. Loved him the second we drafted him. We all know how he started off 2019 very hot but the injury hurt him. I still think he can be a nice edge rusher for us. It’s make or break for him this year. 
 

I also think Ballard will have to start letting some quality draft picks of his go starting next year.

 

The whole 2018 class are up for new contracts. 

[EastStreet]

2 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

The contract is the bigger issue not their role on defense. You see Ballard keeping both?

 

Personally, I think contract timing is the only thing that connects them. 

 

Next year though, you have more than just those two in contract years. You have Rochell, AQM, Lewis, and Turay. And this is probably Banogu's prove it year....

 

I typically group DEs in 3 categories. 3 down DEs, pass rush specialists, and tweeners (DE/DT or simply "big" DEs).

 

Lewis, Rochell, and Autry (last year), were tweeners. Dayo will likely be the same. Guys that are DE early downs, slide to 3T passing downs.

 

Turay and Banogu are pass rush specialist (PRS), although I think Turay might be able to develop into a 3 down DE.

 

Paye looks to be a 3 down DE to me, that can handle the run at DE, as well as the late down pass rush. Houston was one early in his career, but became more of a PRS with us.

 

AQM is more of a run DE guy, but doesn't really have the size to slide in.....

 

So,,,, if I'm flashing forward to next year... I'm going with 

 

Paye 3D, Dayo TW, Lewis TW, Turay PRS as primary rotation.

 

Run/early downs 

Dayo-Lewis/Buck/Grover/Paye

Pass/late downs

Turay/Dayo-Lewis/Buck/Paye

 

Then I'm keeping one of Banogu, Rochell, or AQM. Hopefully Banogu.

 

But I'm definitely keeping 2 decent tweeners.

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, CR91 said:

Contract year for both players. Let's say they both produce similar numbers, but Turay has a couple more sacks. Who do we keep? I can't see Ballard keeping both when Nelson and Hines are also up for new contracts.

 

 

Just saying one has a couple more sacks than the other doesn’t say much to decide anything. 
 

4 vs 2?

6 vs 4?

8 vs 6?

 

You get the idea….   This helps determine how much each player might be offered in a free agent market.    Ideally, in a perfect world, Ballard will want to bring back all of his guys.    Realistically, that obviously won’t happen.   But performance will be a key determinative factor.   
 

Clearly, we will be bringing back Nelson and hopefully Fisher too.   After they get signed,  and we see how much we have left over and have a better idea of the market value for our players, THEN we’ll know better.   
 

Everything else is a wild guess….. 

[Dark Superman]

1 hour ago, CR91 said:

Contract year for both players. Let's say they both produce similar numbers, but Turay has a couple more sacks. Who do we keep? I can't see Ballard keeping both when Nelson and Hines are also up for new contracts.

 

 

More like Turay vs Banogu.

Lewis can play multiple positions unlike other two.

[CR91]

2 hours ago, Andrew_Luck said:

More like Turay vs Banogu.

Lewis can play multiple positions unlike other two.

 

I get that. I'm referring more to who do you re-sign? Benogu is still not a free agent til 2023

[Dark Superman]

31 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

I get that. I'm referring more to who do you re-sign? Benogu is still not a free agent til 2023

Banogu is gonna need to ball out this season in order for the Colts to bring him back. Turay I think has shown enough to bring back. Gotta see if Dayo gets on the field at some point and the way he plays could dictate the future of one of both of these guys. Hard to tell.

[compuls1v3]

8 minutes ago, Andrew_Luck said:

Banogu is gonna need to ball out this season in order for the Colts to bring him back. Turay I think has shown enough to bring back. Gotta see if Dayo gets on the field at some point and the way he plays could dictate the future of one of both of these guys. Hard to tell.

With all due respect, Turay had a couple of good games at most, and I think at least one of them was against a 2nd string tackle.  He needs to have a full season of good performance IMHO.  I’d keep Lewis for his versatility, especially if Paye has a good year.

[Dark Superman]

36 minutes ago, compuls1v3 said:

With all due respect, Turay had a couple of good games at most, and I think at least one of them was against a 2nd string tackle.  He needs to have a full season of good performance IMHO.  I’d keep Lewis for his versatility, especially if Paye has a good year.

Turay looked really good before the ankle injury back in 2019. He looked okay at times last season, but he was never at 100%. Preseason and Training Camp, he's looked very good and finally seems to be fully healthy. I'm hoping he can stay healthy, because I really think Turay can be a force on this defense. If Banogu can keep improving and continue to shine throughout the regular season and make plays, I think if both guys have good years, you try to bring both back (Turay, Banogu) Lewis has shown flashes, but he's another guy that can't keep to stay healthy. Initially when we first drafted Lewis, I thought he would eventually excel at DE, but now with all the talent and depth we have there, I think coming in on passing downs next to Bunkner is where he could end up shining. If Dayo comes in and shows flashes of the guy Chris Ballard snagged in the second round, I think having Lewis becomes less of a need because Dayo can also play DE and DT. Dayo probably would have been drafted in the first round or early second if not for the injury. I can't wait to see him back on the field.

[throwing BBZ]

5 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

I get that. I'm referring more to who do you re-sign? Benogu is still not a free agent til 2023

 

 No, if Ben is solid he makes Turay expendible.

[AwesomeAustin]

Honestly, I don’t get the love affair with Turray.   I understand he was playing well(stats say really well for 5 games), but he seems to always be battling an injury. Ok, so I guess I do understand why people are intrigued by him, just not buying into it. I’m interested to see what he does this year but if he has trouble staying healthy again you have to let him walk. If he plays 12 games and gets 8-9 sacks, it will be a hard decision.  I’ve always been a fan of Lewis bc of his versatility. If he improves even more than he did last year I would think he would be priority.  He had his own run with injuries so the same can be said. These two must produce if we want a top 10 defense. 
 

Just like work, it’s better to have guys with a little less talent but are there every day than that super talented guy that constantly misses or at half capacity for whatever reasons. 
 

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 hour ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Honestly, I don’t get the love affair with Turray.   I understand he was playing well(stats say really well for 5 games), but he seems to always be battling an injury. Ok, so I guess I do understand why people are intrigued by him, just not buying into it. I’m interested to see what he does this year but if he has trouble staying healthy again you have to let him walk. If he plays 12 games and gets 8-9 sacks, it will be a hard decision.  I’ve always been a fan of Lewis bc of his versatility. If he improves even more than he did last year I would think he would be priority.  He had his own run with injuries so the same can be said. These two must produce if we want a top 10 defense. 
 

Just like work, it’s better to have guys with a little less talent but are there every day than that super talented guy that constantly misses or at half capacity for whatever reasons. 
 

 

Lewis would be the priority over Turay because we have Dayo waiting in the wings on a rookie deal. Lewis is more of a thiree down guy and can move inside.

[EastStreet]

1 hour ago, Wentzszn said:

Lewis would be the priority over Turay because we have Dayo waiting in the wings on a rookie deal. Lewis is more of a thiree down guy and can move inside.

Dayo will likely be the same type of DE (tweener), similar to the Lewis/Autry mold.

[EastStreet]

2 hours ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Honestly, I don’t get the love affair with Turray.   I understand he was playing well(stats say really well for 5 games), but he seems to always be battling an injury. Ok, so I guess I do understand why people are intrigued by him, just not buying into it. I’m interested to see what he does this year but if he has trouble staying healthy again you have to let him walk. If he plays 12 games and gets 8-9 sacks, it will be a hard decision.  I’ve always been a fan of Lewis bc of his versatility. If he improves even more than he did last year I would think he would be priority.  He had his own run with injuries so the same can be said. These two must produce if we want a top 10 defense. 
 

Just like work, it’s better to have guys with a little less talent but are there every day than that super talented guy that constantly misses or at half capacity for whatever reasons. 
 

 

 

I agree on availability in it's purest sense, but in terms of "liking a player" or "love affair", a player that works and plays hard, but has an injury curse, isn't really the same as an office slacker. Personally, I like/respect players for a lot of reasons. I don't dislike them due to injury. I may want to move on from them if they can't stay healthy, but that wouldn't keep me from liking (the love affair) a guy or keeping hope he can stay healthy.

[Mr.NotSoCreative]

12 hours ago, IrsaysArmy said:

I’ve always had a big crush on Turay. Loved him the second we drafted him. We all know how he started off 2019 very hot but the injury hurt him. I still think he can be a nice edge rusher for us. It’s make or break for him this year. 
 

I also think Ballard will have to start letting some quality draft picks of his go starting next year.

 

The whole 2018 class are up for new contracts. 

Sorry man, but the only remarkable play Turay has provided came at the most critical time in the Buffalo playoff game. 

[IrsaysArmy]

9 minutes ago, Mr.NotSoCreative said:

Sorry man, but the only remarkable play Turay has provided came at the most critical time in the Buffalo playoff game. 

Yea that play hurt no doubt about it. Stupid play.
 

However, he was killing it first quarter of the season in 2019. Yes, at the end of the day 5 good games does not cut it. I just think he could break out in a big way for us. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets 8+ sacks for Us.

[NorthernColt]

I mean realistically we should be able to keep  both if we want too. Neither of them have done anything to warrant a big contract so.

[LiveAndLetAddai]

6 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 No, if Ben is solid he makes Turay expendible.

Precisely, hypotheticaly speaking should Turay be used as a situational pass rusher, to help keep him healthy, I could see maybe 6-8 sacks out of him.  That could propel another team to offer a contract that the Colts would maybe not match.  Especially if Ben progresses through the year, as he has this offseason.

[EastStreet]

3 minutes ago, WentzinRome said:

Precisely, hypotheticaly speaking should Turay be used as a situational pass rusher, to help keep him healthy, I could see maybe 6-8 sacks out of him.  That could propel another team to offer a contract that the Colts would maybe not match.  Especially if Ben progresses through the year, as he has this offseason.

 

For the most part, when healthy, Turay has been limited to PRS. Exception were some games in 2018 when we had injury issues, and he got more than 50% of snaps.

 

This year, seems pretty obvious by the depth chart he'll be limited to PRS. I do think he could develop into a 3 down DE though. He was considered good vs the run coming out of college. But with Paye and Lewis, and later Dayo, good chance he remains a PRS.

 

And while I'm encouraged about Banogu's flashes in the preseason, I'm going to wait and see how he performs when he's not going up against bottom roster guys. Seattle's OL is mediocre, and perhaps really bad if Brown keeps holding out. The Rams however have a decent OL, and will be a good litmus test for all of our DEs.

[Four2itus]

6 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 No, if Ben is solid he makes Turay expendible.

I would be pleasantly surprised if Turay made the leap at this point. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

I think that is right about Ben. Can he have a good enough season to make it we don’t need Turay back. 

[AwesomeAustin]

4 hours ago, EastStreet said:

 

I agree on availability in it's purest sense, but in terms of "liking a player" or "love affair", a player that works and plays hard, but has an injury curse, isn't really the same as an office slacker. Personally, I like/respect players for a lot of reasons. I don't dislike them due to injury. I may want to move on from them if they can't stay healthy, but that wouldn't keep me from liking (the love affair) a guy or keeping hope he can stay healthy.

I don’t dislike players either bc of injury. I understand it’s not an apples to apples comparison but it’s the same aspect.  We really don’t have people out of work bc they sprained their wrist sending an email lol.  I do hope Turray puts it all together while staying healthy but it’s been three years and at some point a decision has to be made.  Unfortunately injuries are part of football and if they can’t stay on the field you gotta pull the plug.  Should be an interesting player to watch.  Glad I’m not the one making the decision bc it will be a hard one.  
 

[IrsaysArmy]

7 hours ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Honestly, I don’t get the love affair with Turray.   I understand he was playing well(stats say really well for 5 games), but he seems to always be battling an injury. Ok, so I guess I do understand why people are intrigued by him, just not buying into it. I’m interested to see what he does this year but if he has trouble staying healthy again you have to let him walk. If he plays 12 games and gets 8-9 sacks, it will be a hard decision.  I’ve always been a fan of Lewis bc of his versatility. If he improves even more than he did last year I would think he would be priority.  He had his own run with injuries so the same can be said. These two must produce if we want a top 10 defense. 
 

Just like work, it’s better to have guys with a little less talent but are there every day than that super talented guy that constantly misses or at half capacity for whatever reasons. 
 

 

The love affair stems from him performing at a high level whenever he’s healthy dating back to college. Unfortunately, he’s never healthy. He might end up being a “Would coulda been” guy

[compuls1v3]

Turay is like our defensive Campbell. Both have great potential but need a solid year without missing major time to show they can contribute at a high level.

[LiveAndLetAddai]

1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

 

For the most part, when healthy, Turay has been limited to PRS. Exception were some games in 2018 when we had injury issues, and he got more than 50% of snaps.

 

This year, seems pretty obvious by the depth chart he'll be limited to PRS. I do think he could develop into a 3 down DE though. He was considered good vs the run coming out of college. But with Paye and Lewis, and later Dayo, good chance he remains a PRS.

 

And while I'm encouraged about Banogu's flashes in the preseason, I'm going to wait and see how he performs when he's not going up against bottom roster guys. Seattle's OL is mediocre, and perhaps really bad if Brown keeps holding out. The Rams however have a decent OL, and will be a good litmus test for all of our DEs.

To the bolded, I agree and my scenario was based on the hypothetical...I hope they both ball out!  Wait, can I say that here?????  Lol!

[EastStreet]

11 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

I don’t dislike players either bc of injury. I understand it’s not an apples to apples comparison but it’s the same aspect.  We really don’t have people out of work bc they sprained their wrist sending an email lol.  I do hope Turray puts it all together while staying healthy but it’s been three years and at some point a decision has to be made.  Unfortunately injuries are part of football and if they can’t stay on the field you gotta pull the plug.  Should be an interesting player to watch.  Glad I’m not the one making the decision bc it will be a hard one.  
 

 

 

I'll just put it this way. Injuries don't impact my liking a guy, only my confidence in their production. If we draft them, they're likely not going anywhere for the first 3-4 years anyway if they've at least flashed. He's flashed.

 

Turay had a very serious ankle injury, but he looked phenomenal in year 2 before going down vs KC. It took two surgeries, but they MIGHT have got it right this last time. 

 

At the end of the day, he likely isn't going anywhere this year, so he'll either sink or swim. If he sinks, he won't be back. If he swims, might be a long term PRS for (or more) us assuming the ankle if finally fixed. Only time will tell. So just not going to fret over him being on the roster, or his his injury history right now.

[ProblChld32]

20 hours ago, CR91 said:

Contract year for both players. Let's say they both produce similar numbers, but Turay has a couple more sacks. Who do we keep? I can't see Ballard keeping both when Nelson and Hines are also up for new contracts.

 

 

I say Lewis , with his ability to play inside and outside he’s more versatile and he’s a better edge setter IMO. Dayo makes Turay expendable. 

[DeepseaColt]

On 9/3/2021 at 9:32 PM, CR91 said:

Contract year for both players. Let's say they both produce similar numbers, but Turay has a couple more sacks. Who do we keep? I can't see Ballard keeping both when Nelson and Hines are also up for new contracts.

 

 

Tough question, both are loaded with talent but seem to always be injured. Lewis is more versatile and seems to be a leader in the locker room. If Paye and Dayo are considered the future, I can see Ballard letting Turay walk and us keeping Lewis if he can stay healthy.