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Dane Brugler's scouting report on Jason Bean: 23. JASON BEAN | Kansas 6016 | 196 lbs. | 6SR Mansfield, Texas (Lake Ridge) 6/9/1999 (age 24.88) #9 SUMMARY: Jason Bean was an All-District passer at Lake Ridge High in Mansfield (south of DFW) and threw for 1,682 yards and 20 touchdowns as a senior. A threestar recruit, he stayed close to home and signed with North Texas. He showed promise as a first-year starter in 2020 and entered the transfer portal. He signed with Kansas, where he shared starting duties with Jalon Daniels. With Daniels injured in 2023, Bean became the full-time starter and set career bests in yards and touchdowns. With his skinny, lean-muscled frame, Bean doesn’t have desired size, and his arm strength is average. He can layer throws as a passer, but his decisionmaking and timing are inconsistent and lead to mistakes. He trusts his “fight or flight” instincts as a runner and has the qu ick feet to evade and pull away from pursuit. Overall, Bean has above-average straight-line speed and shows flashes as a passer, but his accuracy and pocket presence aren’t currently on an NFL level. GRADE: Priority Free Agent -
Dane Brugler's scouting report on Kedon Slovis : 14. KEDON SLOVIS | BYU 6024 | 223 lbs. | 5SR Scottsdale, Ariz. (Desert Mountain) 4/11/2001 (age 23.04) #10 BACKGROUND: Kedon Slovis, who has two older brothers, grew up in Scottsdale with his father (Max) and mother (Lisa LaPedes-Slovis), who were both middle school teachers. He started playing flag football in third grade. Against the wishes of his mother, who worried about him getting hurt, Slovis started playing tackle football in sixth grade. He also played basketball throughout childhood and often was coached by his father. Slovis attended Desert Mountain High School in Scottsdale and played primarily on the JV squad and as a backup for the varsity. With NFL Hall of Famer Kurt Warner as his offensive coordinator, he became the starting quarterback as a junior and completed 64.0 percent of his passes for 2,987 yards, 32 touchdowns and five interceptions. As a senior, Slovis earned honorable mention All-State honors with 62.2 percent completions for 2,542 yards, 18 touchdowns and six interceptions in 2018. He also had five rushing t ouchdowns as a starter. Over Slovis’ junior and senior seasons, Desert Mountain had a 9-12 record. Slovis played basketball as a freshman before deciding to focus on football, including working with his quarterback coach Shawn Seaman. A three-star recruit, Slovis was the No. 26 pro-style quarterback in the 2019 class and the No. 12 recruit in Arizona (QB Spencer Rattler was the No. 1 player and quarterback in the state). Playing at a high school program not known for producing Division I football players, he didn’t start to receive legitimate recruiting attention until a few schools came through the area the spring after his junior season. USC was one of those and offered Slovis in May 2018. Less than a week later, he officially committed to the Trojans (NC State and Oregon State were his other Power 5 offers). Slovis was the No. 21 recruit (out of 24) in former head coach Clay Helton’s 2019 class. After enrolling early in January 2019, he moved up the depth chart in his first spring and became the backup as a true freshman. When J.T. Daniels was sidelined with a knee injury in 2019, Slovis became the Trojans’ starter and became Pac-12 Offensive Freshman of the Year, setting the conference singleseason record with his 71.9 completion percentage (previous record was 71.3 percent by Andrew Luck). Entrenched as the Trojan s’ starter moving forward, he led USC to a 5-1 record in the pandemic-shortened 2020 season but struggled throughout the 2021 campaign, opening the door for Jaxson Dart to earn playing time. After Helton was fired and replaced by Lincoln Riley, Slovis entered the transfer portal in December 2021. He heard from seve ral schools but was intrigued by the chance to follow Kenny Pickett and throw to Jordan Addison at Pittsburgh, although Addison transferred to USC shortly after Slovis announced. After starting the 2022 season at Pittsburgh, Slovis wanted to play in a more pass-first attack and transferred to BYU for his final season in 2023, taking advantage of the extra year of eligibility granted because of the pandemic. Several Pitt players publicly criticized Slovis for “quitting” without talking to the team. Slovis graduated with his degree in communication from USC (May 2022) and is pursuing his master’s degree in biology. He accepted his invitation to the 2024 East-West Shrine Bowl. STRENGTHS: Functional size and athleticism for the position … adequate arm strength when delivering from a wide base … when he has time, he is highly accurate in the short-to-intermediate part of the field … one of the better quarterbacks in the class at using his eyes to disguise his intentions and manipulate the coverage … bravely tests small windows downfield… uses tight footwork to navigate muddy pockets … routinely hangs tough while under fire and bounces back from hits … very even-keeled with his play personality … was voted a team captain at all three programs where he played college football … ranks top five in USC history in touchdown passes (58), despite an abbreviated stay. WEAKNESSES: His process quickly unravels under pressure, forcing him to rush and make mistakes … uses his eyes well on some plays, then stares down targets the next … inconsistent decision-making process … fastball loses life when he can’t step in the bucket and fire … will occasionally make plays with his legs but doesn’t have the escapability or mobility to be a true threat … accounted for 31 fumbles in his career … suffered a concussion as a senior in high school and another during his freshman year at USC (September 2019), which sidelined him for one game; missed the final three games of the 2021 season with a left leg injury (November 2021); suffered another concussion at Pitt (September 2022) and missed one game; missed the final four games of his super senior season after battling several injuries, including a right shoulder issue (October 2023). SUMMARY: A one-year starter at BYU, Slovis spent his final season in offensive coordinator Aaron Roderick’s RPO-heavy balanced scheme. He was a freshman AllAmerican at USC in 2019 (throwing to Michael Pittman Jr., Amon-Ra St. Brown and Drake London), but injuries and inconsistent play followed in two more seasons with the Trojans and one season at Pittsburgh before his final year with the Cougars (his completion percentage declined each of his five seasons). Slovis has adequate size and arm strength with toughness in the pocket and consistent ball placement when he stays in rhythm. However, h e isn’t a creator (with his arm or legs) and frequently makes stubborn decisions, despite coverage telling him to go in a different direction. Overall, Slovis has the functional skills to be a productive passer when everything around him is going right, but he didn’t put enough on tape to suggest he can elevate an offense when things fall apart around him. He is practice squad candidate who will have a chance to grow into a backup role in the NFL. GRADE: 7th Round-Priority Free Agent
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BTW not sure if this means much of anything but Spencer Shrader of Notre Dame is the 6th ranked kicker out of this draft in Dane Brugler's rankings. We paid big money to Matt Gay so maybe it doesn't mean much, but still notable IMO.
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UDFA: QB - Kedon Slovis, BYU QB - Jason Bean, Kansas K - Spencer Shrader, Notre Dame WR - Xavier White, Texas Tech RB - Trent Pennix, North Carolina State OG - Dalton Tucker, Marshall DT - Isaiah Coe, Oklahoma LB - Craig Young, Kansas Tryout: DT - Jeblonski Green, South Carolina State TE - Malcolm Epps, Pittsburgh OT - Jake Hornirook, Duke RB - Justin Strong, Southern Illinois LS - Michael Vinson, Notre Dame OC - Jake Kradel, Pittsburgh OL - Aidan Hemphill, Texas Southern DB - Brandon Bishop, Liberty OT - Daniel Johnson, Purdue -
Oh no doubt about that. I absolutely value the fact that people like Brugler, Cosell, Jeremiah, etc. actually do the work and take their job seriously. And I also agree that others do very surface level stuff(more akin to what most of us here are doing here as a hoby. Except... they get paid for it). My angle is not exactly "everyone is the same", they are not. That's why I value extremely highly the work some do and not so much others. And I agree that just because a player doesn't hit, it doesn't mean the evaluation was faulty... or just because a player hits unexpectedly, I don't think the evaluation was necessarily faulty either. It's important to see the reasoning behind the projections and it is important to recognize the uncertainty in any projection really. IMO the uncertainty covers for a lot of shoddy "work" and rankings because a lot of talking heads can just parrot hits and omit misses. So they are not all the same, but their results might be very close to each other. Just like in the NFL - the difference between good and bad GMs in hit rate is in single digit number over the long term. You won't get one GM that hits 80% and another that hits 20%(Although... Grigson probably was close to that one). Part of it is because the ones that don't do the work, actually copy and plagiarize the work that the great ones do... example, they will take the Jeremiah and Brugler's big boards and will mash them together and just switch a few names around, or if they have a favorite they will bump him up while dropping a specific one they don't like, but in the grand scheme of things the results wouldn't be dramatically different. So the value for me is from the actual verifiable work those people do and the way they present information. WIth people like Brugler or Cosell you can actually tell that it's them that are doing the work. They give you detailed reports on why they think what they think about those prospects. And they are almost never extreme in their opinions - i.e. "this player is trash, he would never succeed in the league". You know they actually sit down and watch those guys play and actually do scouting reports from what they see on tape, rather than from what they've heard someone else say about those players. And with Brugler, even furthermore, you see a ton of background information about those players. He's pretty much doing what scouts for the teams are doing. He's digging about the childhood and adolescence of those players, he's digging up red flags, medical information(whatever is available), etc. And he's just one person. And he's doing it for 400+ players every year. You can only respect that. And I derive a ton of more value out of it than I do out of a random pundit's QB ranking for which I probably have watched more tape than he has.
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