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[Jason_]

Right, what I said:

 

SilentHill, on 25 Nov 2013 - 5:07 PM, said:

 

And we didn't open up the passing game earlier, just because we attempted passes doesn't mean we completed them.

 

 

How is dropping back to pass on 11 of the first 14 plays not opening up the passing game earlier?  I realize many of those passes were incomplete but that's irrelevant to the fact that your initial complaint was that they didn't open up the passing game earlier even though that's exactly what they did.  

[Flash7]

How is dropping back to pass on 11 of the first 14 plays not opening up the passing game earlier?  I realize many of those passes were incomplete but that's irrelevant to the fact that your initial complaint was that they didn't open up the passing game earlier even though that's exactly what they did.  

Sorry to jump in, but Jason_S, I think you're right. If we were more successful and completed the passes, then we would've opened up the passing game. But since many of the passes were incomplete, we need something to complain about.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

How is dropping back to pass on 11 of the first 14 plays not opening up the passing game earlier?  I realize many of those passes were incomplete but that's irrelevant to the fact that your initial complaint was that they didn't open up the passing game earlier even though that's exactly what they did.  

Because people want to blame Pep instead of our players lack of execution.

[SilentHill]

How is dropping back to pass on 11 of the first 14 plays not opening up the passing game earlier?  I realize many of those passes were incomplete but that's irrelevant to the fact that your initial complaint was that they didn't open up the passing game earlier even though that's exactly what they did.  

 

 

Sorry to jump in, but Jason_S, I think you're right. If we were more successful and completed the passes, then we would've opened up the passing game. But since many of the passes were incomplete, we need something to complain about.

 

 

Because people want to blame Pep instead of our players lack of execution.

 

 

There was no complaint about not opening the passing game soon enough. I said "I hope that he means we have to establish the run game, by opening up the passing game earlier."

 

It's irrelevant what happened in the past. We ran those 11 passes and a majority were incomplete. The call to pass was the right call. The actual passing plays that were called on the field were not. My post was in reference to the fact that we are not a power running team and we should not go back to the ground game early.

[Jason_]

Ok so....Pep should only call passing plays that are going to work?   Is that the point? 

[Coffeedrinker]

Ok so....Pep should only call passing plays that are going to work?   Is that the point? 

You know, when I first starting coaching I had two playbooks... one with plays that were not going to work and one with plays that were going to work.  It took me years to learn that I need to call the plays from the latter rather than the former. 

[Jason_]

You know, when I first starting coaching I had two playbooks... one with plays that were not going to work and one with plays that were going to work.  It took me years to learn that I need to call the plays from the latter rather than the former. 

 

lol...but you still kept the other playbook around though right?  It's good to throw the other team off from time to time by running plays that you know won't work.

[Colts_Fan12]

@PhilRichards6: Pagano: New receivers have to step up. They don't have a choice. That's why we're going to practice hard to get Andrew Luck on same page.

Play some new damn receivers and they might step up

[smittywerb]

I hope that he means we have to establish the run game, by opening up the passing game earlier.

 

Can't open the passing game if our only threat of a WR is being shadowed and the others aren't getting open.

[#87WayneFanHe'sTheMan]

Play some new damn receivers and they might step up

 

LOL Nice. I won't hold my breath but still nice.

[SilentHill]

Ok so....Pep should only call passing plays that are going to work?   Is that the point? 

 

Sure, whatever you say.

 

I'd like to see some bubble screens.

[HtownColt]

Ima just drop this little fact here and leave lol

@MikeClayNFL: Colts averaging 47 called passes, 16 called runs over their last four outings

[Coffeedrinker]

Sure, whatever you say.

 

I'd like to see some bubble screens.

Since the issue seems to be Pep calling the wrong pass play.  What down and distance would you call the bubble screen? Against what defensive formation?  What should the FS be doing?  What about the SS?  Should the DBs be playing man or zone.  Should the LBers be playing man or zone?  Do you still call it if the indicators point to the Dline stunting to the inside?  Also, what receiver gets the bubble screen? 

 

Actually please run through the first 11 pass plays and tell us what passes should have been called and explain why?

[SilentHill]

Since the issue seems to be Pep calling the wrong pass play.  What down and distance would you call the bubble screen? Against what defensive formation?  What should the FS be doing?  What about the SS?  Should the DBs be playing man or zone.  Should the LBers be playing man or zone?  Do you still call it if the indicators point to the Dline stunting to the inside?  Also, what receiver gets the bubble screen? 

 

Actually please run through the first 11 pass plays and tell us what passes should have been called and explain why?

 

 

Well first I run out there and i run the draw with T-Rich and gain 2 yards.

 

Then I go out and run the 4 verticals, but just before the snap I press L1 and audible at the line to a short crossing pattern,completed 10 yards to DHB.

 

Then I run hurry up with 4 Verticals Play Action and WHAM I hit TY for a 68 Yard touchdown.

 

The key is, when you drop back to pass you have to hold down X until Luck releases the ball, this way it is the most powerful and accurate down field.

[SilentHill]

Ima just drop this little fact here and leave lol

@MikeClayNFL: Colts averaging 47 called passes, 16 called runs over their last four outings

 

wow, 63 plays?

 

Didn't Philly do that in one half?

[Coffeedrinker]

Well first I run out there and i run the draw with T-Rich and gain 2 yards.

 

Then I go out and run the 4 verticals, but just before the snap I press L1 and audible at the line to a short crossing pattern,completed 10 yards to DHB.

 

Then I run hurry up with 4 Verticals Play Action and WHAM I hit TY for a 68 Yard touchdown.

 

The key is, when you drop back to pass you have to hold down X until Luck releases the ball, this way it is the most powerful and accurate down field.

So, it appears, you don't know when you'd run the bubble screen or who should receive it, or what the defense should be doing, you just know it should be done.  And it is one of those passing plays that would work because, well it's a bubble screen.

 

I will give you a bit of hint, since you seem to be struggling with this concept (take this with a grain of salt because I am someone who learned football on the field, not on a game system) when the defense is able to pressure your QB with just the front 4, a bubble screen is an absolutely horrible call).

[HD7]

Well first I run out there and i run the draw with T-Rich and gain 2 yards.

 

Then I go out and run the 4 verticals, but just before the snap I press L1 and audible at the line to a short crossing pattern,completed 10 yards to DHB.

 

Then I run hurry up with 4 Verticals Play Action and WHAM I hit TY for a 68 Yard touchdown.

 

The key is, when you drop back to pass you have to hold down X until Luck releases the ball, this way it is the most powerful and accurate down field.

 

More like T-Rich gets stuffed for a loss and DHB watching the ball go off his chest and into a defender's hands. Interception

[SilentHill]

So, it appears, you don't know when you'd run the bubble screen or who should receive it, or what the defense should be doing, you just know it should be done.  And it is one of those passing plays that would work because, well it's a bubble screen.

 

I will give you a bit of hint, since you seem to be struggling with this concept (take this with a grain of salt because I am someone who learned football on the field, not on a game system) when the defense is able to pressure your QB with just the front 4, a bubble screen is an absolutely horrible call).

 

Here is a hint for you. If I knew what to do, I'd be a coach in the NFL. It's not like I'm lobbying for myself to replace Pep Hamilton, actually i'm 100% against that, I am lobbying for someone good to replace him though.

[SilentHill]

More like T-Rich gets stuffed for a loss and DHB watching the ball go off his chest and into a defender's hands. Interception

 

Cmon Man! This is madden! Impossible.

[Colts_Fan12]

LOL Nice. I won't hold my breath but still nice.

Hey they finally cut Reed Rogers should finally see the field

[In Luck We Trust]

Hit was on Rivera.  Pryor didn't play.

yeah saw that after i posted that lol. thank's for the correction. ironically they hired the DC that was suspended for a year for the bountygate lol. 

[In Luck We Trust]

I know they play better at home but they need to adjust. Like, SERIOUSLY adjust. It's November, they should be on a hot streak right now and getting into playoff form but it's a dud right now.

 

This is a must win game, both of those two are.

def not a good time to be facing a team who has their backs against the wall. with how bad we have been since coming off the bye week we have looked like a 3 win team. hoping Toler gets back soon (can not believe i said that because i really didn't like that signing, atleast not for the contract we gave him) because Vaughn sucks. he should have been one of the guys cut and put butler in his spot. at least butler knows how to stick with his guy for most of the game. 

[In Luck We Trust]

Can't open the passing game if our only threat of a WR is being shadowed and the others aren't getting open.

thats what was so great about whalen. he had that instinct to get open, kinda like collie did. and yet we released him 

[In Luck We Trust]

Name a FA receiver.

Braylon Edwards, maybe it could take some pressure off of Hilton. 

[In Luck We Trust]

Wide Receiver

Brandon Lloyd

Laurent Robinson

Devery Henderson

Braylon Edwards

Mohamed Massaquoi

Austin Collie

Donte’ Stallworth

Steve Breaston

Michael Jenkins

Deion Branch

Early Doucet

Ben Obomanu

Ramses Barden

David Gettis

Anthony Armstrong

Devin Aromashodu

Chaz Schilens

Mike Thomas

Courtney Roby (KR)

Chad Johnson

Jabar Gaffney

Derek Hagan

Matthew Willis

Naaman Roosevelt

Deon Butler

Roscoe Parrish (PR)

Brandon Banks (KR/PR)

Patrick Crayton

Sammie Stroughter

Jason Hill

Jordan Shipley

Jordan Norwood

Ruvell Martin

Patrick Turner

Greg Camarillo (PR)

Legedu Naanee

Mardy Gilyard (KR)

Devin Thomas

Adrian Arrington

Michael Clayton

Terrence Austin

Richard Goodman (KR)

Terrance Copper

Demetrius Williams

Preston Parker

Brett Swain

Maurice Stovall (TE)

Jerheme Urban

Jaymar Johnson

Quan Cosby (PR/KR)

Ronald Johnson

Chastin West

Lance Long

Tim Toone

Patrick Edwards

Jeremy Ebert

Danny Coale

Joe Adams (KR/PR)

Jeff Fuller

LaQuan Williams

Dan DePalma

David Douglas

ummm Austin Collie from what i last heard, had a torn ACL which is why the Pats released him

[Superman]

Braylon Edwards, maybe it could take some pressure off of Hilton. 

 

We discussed Edwards earlier. Personally, I'd pass.

[In Luck We Trust]

I tot

 

ally

 

They also never run the ball twice in a row. It seems like if and when we pick up 5 or 6 yards rushing the ball on 1st and 10 , its guaranteed the next play is a passing play. Why not run again , hopefully pick up 2 or 3 more, and keep the clock running. Im not saying run it everytime on 1st and second but try it at least once in a game.  3rd and short would keep the opposing defenses a little more off balance and keep the clock ticking thus giving our defense a little breather. With all the inuries and lack of talent at the reciever position, we are not going to outscore the opponents like we did in the Manning era.  The SF game and second half of the Titans game were by far the best game planning they had all year.

what about the second half of the houston game??? that come back was very very well executed 

[Superman]

what about the second half of the houston game??? that come back was very very well executed 

 

We played well, but the problem with the Houston game was special teams mistakes and a couple blown deep coverages. There wasn't much to change. 

[cdgacoltsfan]

what about the second half of the houston game??? that come back was very very well executed 

In the games I mentioned, they ran the ball with a sense of purpose. In the Texans game...they threw the ball to get back in it.

[In Luck We Trust]

We played well, but the problem with the Houston game was special teams mistakes and a couple blown deep coverages. There wasn't much to change. 

of course there was though. Davis was being picked in the middle of the field 5 yards from the scrimmage. which is what makes me believe has led these last three teams we played figure out how to beat us. the Rams and Cardinals ran a lot of passing plays in the middle of the field with crossing patterns. especially St. Louis

[In Luck We Trust]

In the games I mentioned, they ran the ball with a sense of purpose. In the Texans game...they threw the ball to get back in it.

well we got one thing going for us, Brown tore the Titans apart two weeks ago. so im looking for brown to get 90 yards on the ground this weekend with richardson getting another 50 or 60 

[smittywerb]

thats what was so great about whalen. he had that instinct to get open, kinda like collie did. and yet we released him 

 

Yeah it sucks, but i understand the move, we needed to make room for Walden and I guess the coaching staff thought Da'Rick was ready to step up.

[In Luck We Trust]

Yeah it sucks, but i understand the move, we needed to make room for Walden and I guess the coaching staff thought Da'Rick was ready to step up.

yet didn't use him and used DHB who is flat out horrible.