Dan Marino Era Dolphins RB's

[Synthetic]

I'm pretty bored tonight, and in between looking up guitar parts and stats, I came across this really neat article.

 

 

http://fansofmediocrity.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/dolphins-rbs-dan-marino-era/

 

I remember last year, it was either here, or another forum, I had a great discussion with someone about the Dan Marino Dolphins teams and I couldn't really remember any running back playing a significant role to him, or anyone that rushed over a thousand yards.

 

 

It speaks volumes that the Dolphins only had 1 RB to rush over 1,000 yards in 17 seasons.

 

Still a pretty neat article.

[SkyBane]

I find it somewhat ironic that the Marino era Dolphins style of team that has yielded so few championships is now the trendy thing to do. You would think everyone would be following the 00's Patriot's method of stout defence and effecient offense.

[Synthetic]

I find it somewhat ironic that the Marino era Dolphins style of team that has yielded so few championships is now the trendy thing to do. You would think everyone would be following the 00's Patriot's method of stout defence and effecient offense.

 

 

To be quite fair, the Dolphins did have some good defenses some of those seasons, and I think the lack of efficient run game just furthers the proof that Marino was an amazing quarterback, even though they had no run game and it normally was the death of them in the post season.

 

 

I feel like the entire league has totally copied the old Dolphins team of Marino ball and not wanting to run it.

 

 

No doubt in my mind if Marino played his career in today's age, he would easily have 2 or even 3 rings behind those offenses.

[pacolts56]

To be quite fair, the Dolphins did have some good defenses some of those seasons, and I think the lack of efficient run game just furthers the proof that Marino was an amazing quarterback, even though they had no run game and it normally was the death of them in the post season.

 

 

I feel like the entire league has totally copied the old Dolphins team of Marino ball and not wanting to run it.

 

 

No doubt in my mind if Marino played his career in today's age, he would easily have 2 or even 3 rings behind those offenses.

John Elway's 2 SB rings really bear out your theory....he did not have any where near the impact rushing attack to call on until Terrell Davis came on the scene.

 

At that point, the balance of Davis' rushing and Elway's passing completed the SB puzzle. Prior to that Denver's Super Bowl appearances were mostly one-sided beat downs at the hands of Washington, San Fran and the Giants.

 

Had Marino gotten a RB or rushing attack with impact Davis gave Elway, and used it.....I agree he'd likely be wearing a SB ring or two today.

[Synthetic]

John Elway's 2 SB rings really bear out your theory....he did not have any where near the impact rushing attack to call on until Terrell Davis came on the scene.

 

At that point, the balance of Davis' rushing and Elway's passing completed the SB puzzle. Prior to that Denver's Super Bowl appearances were mostly one-sided beat downs at the hands of Washington, San Fran and the Giants.

 

Had Marino gotten a RB or rushing attack with impact Davis gave Elway, and used it.....I agree he'd likely be wearing a SB ring or two today.

 

 

You got that right!

 

Elway didn't even throw that much in his final two seasons. i think he averaged somewhere from 20-25 passes a game, and just rode Terrell Davis all along the way (Davis needs to be in the Hall of Fame, no doubt). In the Super Bowl against GB, he threw under 20 passes I believe, and Davis was the key to beating the Packers aging defense.

 

I don't think Marino liked running the ball though. He even said it later on, and by '84 he was calling all his own plays. The Niners Super Bowl comes to mind. Walsh dropped that Defense into a Nickel and Dime and played very aggressive with those receivers and getting to Marino. They were just begging him to run the ball and beat them with the run, and he refused to do it even when they left huge gaps and holes in their defense that would have been ideal to call a run.

 

Some of the Dolphins playoff history is also really crazy, where many loses had Marino throwing 50 (sometimes over 60) passes, and then under 15 rushing attempts, and even with stats like that, a lot of them are close loses.

[amfootball]

I'm pretty bored tonight, and in between looking up guitar parts and stats, I came across this really neat article.

 

 

http://fansofmediocrity.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/dolphins-rbs-dan-marino-era/

 

I remember last year, it was either here, or another forum, I had a great discussion with someone about the Dan Marino Dolphins teams and I couldn't really remember any running back playing a significant role to him, or anyone that rushed over a thousand yards.

 

 

It speaks volumes that the Dolphins only had 1 RB to rush over 1,000 yards in 17 seasons.

 

Still a pretty neat article.

I am not sure Marino had the patience to run it. Hard to think about running I suppose when you have such a prolific passer but I think he was more a victim of his own talent.

[braveheartcolt]

I find it somewhat ironic that the Marino era Dolphins style of team that has yielded so few championships is now the trendy thing to do. You would think everyone would be following the 00's Patriot's method of stout defence and effecient offense.

'efficient offense' and 'system QB'......

[amfootball]

'efficient offense' and 'system QB'......

I think this is the second time you have posted this about Brady being a system QB. What is your basis for this? I mean what is his system exactly? The one from '01-'03 where it was a dink and dunk offense that took what the defense gave it? Or is it the one in '04-'05 that morphed into a power running attack behind Corey Dillion? Or was it the fun and gun offense with Moss and Welker where Brady threw for a record 50 TDs? Or perhaps the present one where the offense is predicated on the TEs?

 

Brady is asked to run a different style of offense almost every season. Not to mention that Belichick is a game specific coach meaning the offensive game plan changes week to week. Brady is anything but a system QB.

 

[braveheartcolt]

I think this is the second time you have posted this about Brady being a system QB. What is your basis for this? I mean what is his system exactly? The one from '01-'03 where it was a dink and dunk offense that took what the defense gave it? Or is it the one in '04-'05 that morphed into a power running attack behind Corey Dillion? Or was it the fun and gun offense with Moss and Welker where Brady threw for a record 50 TDs? Or perhaps the present one where the offense is predicated on the TEs?

 

Brady is asked to run a different style of offense almost every season. Not to mention that Belichick is a game specific coach meaning the offensive game plan changes week to week. Brady is anything but a system QB.

It's a little thing called 'tongue in cheek'. Look it up, digest, breathe, and learn. I don't even know what system QB means, but it doesn't half cause a brouhaha amongst some of you Patties.

[amfootball]

It's a little thing called 'tongue in cheek'. Look it up, digest, breathe, and learn. I don't even know what system QB means, but it doesn't half cause a brouhaha amongst some of you Patties.

Tongue in cheek posts usually have a emoticon or a "lol" to denote their intention. And how is that you say you don't know what system QB means yet you knew by posting it would upset Pats fans?

[pacolts56]

You got that right!

Elway didn't even throw that much in his final two seasons. i think he averaged somewhere from 20-25 passes a game, and just rode Terrell Davis all along the way (Davis needs to be in the Hall of Fame, no doubt). In the Super Bowl against GB, he threw under 20 passes I believe, and Davis was the key to beating the Packers aging defense.

I don't think Marino liked running the ball though. He even said it later on, and by '84 he was calling all his own plays. The Niners Super Bowl comes to mind. Walsh dropped that Defense into a Nickel and Dime and played very aggressive with those receivers and getting to Marino. They were just begging him to run the ball and beat them with the run, and he refused to do it even when they left huge gaps and holes in their defense that would have been ideal to call a run.

Some of the Dolphins playoff history is also really crazy, where many loses had Marino throwing 50 (sometimes over 60) passes, and then under 15 rushing attempts, and even with stats like that, a lot of them are close loses.

Good illustrations for Colts fans to consider as this new "monster" era continues it's progress.

Running a "three yards and a cloud of dust" offense is obviously not, and shouldn't be, the objective with Andrew Luck at the controls....but the Marino model and for Colts fans, the Manning/Moore/Polian model yielded far less playoff success than they could have, considering the QBs under center.

Balance is a good thing.

[-JJ-]

Tongue in cheek posts usually have a emoticon or a "lol" to denote their intention. And how is that you say you don't know what system QB means yet you knew by posting it would upset Pats fans?

Braveheart doesn't use emicons because he's British. They have a very hard dry sense of humor.

I lived there for 3 years when I was young- not that they're not nice people- they just don't show it. Something about all the fog over there ;)

Consider his tongue is glued to his cheek-permanently ;)

[Nadine]

Braveheart doesn't use emicons because he's British. They have a very hard dry sense of humor.

I lived there for 3 years when I was young- not that they're not nice people- they just don't show it. Something about all the fog over there ;)

Consider his tongue is glued to his cheek-permanently ;)

 

Was there briefly and found that they more stoic than us.  Things that would have had americans flipping out with complaining.......they may or may not make an observation.........always understated

 

impression I had is that things would have to be just awful before they'd say something

[BOTT]

I am not sure Marino had the patience to run it. Hard to think about running I suppose when you have such a prolific passer but I think he was more a victim of his own talent.

Growing up my father was a die hard Dolphins fan so I had to watch many of their games.....they couldn't have run it if Marino wanted too. And for the most part their defenses, in Marino's prime, stunk.

[braveheartcolt]

You guys probably lived in England. Very conservative. The Scots are rabid lunatics compared to them. Just like how we are portrayed in Braveheart.

I don't use 'lol' (oh I just did) as I'm not 12. AM, take some time to understand peoples writing styles rather than rely on clues based on silly little icons.

And JJ, my thung heth nut gluthed tho my cheekth...

[Warhorse]

You guys probably lived in England. Very conservative. The Scots are rabid lunatics compared to them. Just like how we are portrayed in Braveheart.

I don't use 'lol' (oh I just did) as I'm not 12. AM, take some time to understand peoples writing styles rather than rely on clues based on silly little icons.

And JJ, my thung heth nut gluthed tho my cheekth...

Cheeky little wankah

[coltsfansince65]

I'm pretty bored tonight, and in between looking up guitar parts and stats, I came across this really neat article.

 

 

http://fansofmediocrity.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/dolphins-rbs-dan-marino-era/

 

I remember last year, it was either here, or another forum, I had a great discussion with someone about the Dan Marino Dolphins teams and I couldn't really remember any running back playing a significant role to him, or anyone that rushed over a thousand yards.

 

 

It speaks volumes that the Dolphins only had 1 RB to rush over 1,000 yards in 17 seasons.

 

Still a pretty neat article.

Guitar parts? You a player? Me too. What parts are you looking for?

[The Fish]

I was gona say, GUITAR PARTS!

[-JJ-]

You guys probably lived in England. Very conservative. The Scots are rabid lunatics compared to them. Just like how we are portrayed in Braveheart.

I don't use 'lol' (oh I just did) as I'm not 12. AM, take some time to understand peoples writing styles rather than rely on clues based on silly little icons.

And JJ, my thung heth nut gluthed tho my cheekth...

Yes, the Scots never got tamed.

I lived in Birchington, Kent County.

[amfootball]

You guys probably lived in England. Very conservative. The Scots are rabid lunatics compared to them. Just like how we are portrayed in Braveheart.

I don't use 'lol' (oh I just did) as I'm not 12. AM, take some time to understand peoples writing styles rather than rely on clues based on silly little icons.

And JJ, my thung heth nut gluthed tho my cheekth...

Will do.

 

An emoticon every now and then wouldn't hurt your cause to be understood (just saying) and this board has a million for every emotion. Best emoticon forum I have ever seen actually.  

[Synthetic]

Good illustrations for Colts fans to consider as this new "monster" era continues it's progress.

Running a "three yards and a cloud of dust" offense is obviously not, and shouldn't be, the objective with Andrew Luck at the controls....but the Marino model and for Colts fans, the Manning/Moore/Polian model yielded far less playoff success than they could have, considering the QBs under center.

Balance is a good thing.

 

I feel exactly the same as you when I watch the Saints run their one dimensional pass, pass, pass offense that has ultimately killed us in our last two playoff appearances.

[Synthetic]

I was gona say, GUITAR PARTS!

 

Well hey, it never hurts to find spare parts or dream of upgrading hardware when you have the money.

[Synthetic]

Guitar parts? You a player? Me too. What parts are you looking for?

 

Tuning Machines.

Can't make my mind up if I want to upgrade to Kluson's vintage style or put a set of the regular gold and pearloid elite series on my strat.

[coltsfansince65]

Tuning Machines.

Can't make my mind up if I want to upgrade to Kluson's vintage style or put a set of the regular gold and pearloid elite series on my strat.

Klusons will be better quality. I'm guessing the gold/pearloid would be more attractive depending on the model strat & color

combination. Do you hang at any guitar related forums as well?

[Synthetic]

Klusons will be better quality. I'm guessing the gold/pearloid would be more attractive depending on the model strat & color

combination. Do you hang at any guitar related forums as well?

Sadly I don't.

It's an MIM standard strat, just the basic with the vintage tremolo system.

 

The tuning machines it came with are the standard chrome ones by Fender (the F on them) they've been good so far, but I've been wanting to change them to give a more vintage look to the guitar. The guitar does stay in tune very well even with the heavy use of the tremolo, so I'm on the fence with changing it.

 

Think I may just pass and spend my money on a new pair of pick ups. I don't care for the standard Mexican ones it came with. They sound good if you're playing Rock/Metal but I'm more of a Blues player. Those 57/62's seem more my ideal and I might go with those, they sound close to my old 60's strat I had when I was young.

[-JJ-]

Sadly I don't.

It's an MIM standard strat, just the basic with the vintage tremolo system.

 

The tuning machines it came with are the standard chrome ones by Fender (the F on them) they've been good so far, but I've been wanting to change them to give a more vintage look to the guitar. The guitar does stay in tune very well even with the heavy use of the tremolo, so I'm on the fence with changing it.

 

Think I may just pass and spend my money on a new pair of pick ups. I don't care for the standard Mexican ones it came with. They sound good if you're playing Rock/Metal but I'm more of a Blues player. Those 57/62's seem more my ideal and I might go with those, they sound close to my old 60's strat I had when I was young.

The question is can you play "As Time Goes By" on the guitar.

[Synthetic]

The question is can you play "As Time Goes By" on the guitar.

 

LOL I am guilty as charged, never bothered learning it.

[-JJ-]

LOL I am guilty as charged, never bothered learning it.

I got the sheet music years ago but it's too hard to play on guitar..all those songs are for piano:)

[Jules]

Obviously a balanced attack is never crucial in today's NFL.

 

Just look at the Colts roll today with this balanced attack. These 10 rushing yards we have so far have been pure gold! 8 rushing yards for Luck, 2 for Richardson and -1 for Donald Brown.

[Jules]

I hate to ruin the guitar discussion. I have found it rousing and energizing in my afternoon hours as I bang my head against the wall as Luck throws another interception.

[Synthetic]

I got the sheet music years ago but it's too hard to play on guitar..all those songs are for piano:)

 

I can't read that stuff. Can read the numbers, but have no idea how to read anything else.

[Jules]

I got the sheet music years ago but it's too hard to play on guitar..all those songs are for piano:)

 

I think my sister used to play it along with "Bridge over troubled water" a lot when I was growing up. She was into the piano big time.

[Synthetic]

Obviously a balanced attack is never crucial in today's NFL.

 

Just look at the Colts roll today with this balanced attack. These 10 rushing yards we have so far have been pure gold! 8 rushing yards for Luck, 2 for Richardson and -1 for Donald Brown.

 

Richardson=Ingram

 

Can't help myself.

 

 

 

Saints tend to lay an egg against the Rams too. We historically have given them games when we should blow them out.

[Jules]

Richardson=Ingram

 

Can't help myself.

 

 

 

Saints tend to lay an egg against the Rams too. We historically have given them games when we should blow them out.

 

True, not much we can do about it now. We have him for a while unless he is caught doing something bad away from the team or something dramatic like that.

 

OH yeah, you have laid eggs vs. them but I think we just developed the golden one. I like to get blown out though instead, no false hope here.

 

Now back to your guitar porn. :yay:

[dgambill]

Richardson=Ingram

 

Can't help myself.

 

 

 

Saints tend to lay an egg against the Rams too. We historically have given them games when we should blow them out.

I knew this was coming after watching their pass rush against Seattle and our pourous offensive line and I had Stafford starting all week.....until an hour before kickoff....then I put Luck in and I deserved what I got.

 

Not a bad analogy actually....GB got Lacy...wow did they make the right choice.

[dgambill]

Dan Marino...still rated as my #1 qb of all time....but Peyton is getting closer and closer....I go back and forth between Dan and Unitas all the time...I guess I just like them all for different things.

[-JJ-]

Dan Marino...still rated as my #1 qb of all time....but Peyton is getting closer and closer....I go back and forth between Dan and Unitas all the time...I guess I just like them all for different things.

I tend to agree. He beat the 85 Bears defense and was the only one that did that season. I would love to see what Manning could do against that D..if anything. I mean you didn't out smart them because they could just overwhelm you

[coltsfansince65]

Sadly I don't.

It's an MIM standard strat, just the basic with the vintage tremolo system.

 

The tuning machines it came with are the standard chrome ones by Fender (the F on them) they've been good so far, but I've been wanting to change them to give a more vintage look to the guitar. The guitar does stay in tune very well even with the heavy use of the tremolo, so I'm on the fence with changing it.

 

Think I may just pass and spend my money on a new pair of pick ups. I don't care for the standard Mexican ones it came with. They sound good if you're playing Rock/Metal but I'm more of a Blues player. Those 57/62's seem more my ideal and I might go with those, they sound close to my old 60's strat I had when I was young.

If it stays in tune well a swap out wouldn't do much. The Klusons would be the choice for the vintage look. Pickups is a much better upgrade. The 57/62s are a good choice. I'm a pretty serious vintage nut. Was a collector for many years. I've kept just a few of my favorites that my kids can carry on the legacy with. I love talking "gear" just as much as I love talking about the Colts.

So as not to clog this site up w/ "gear" talk, email me if you ever want to discuss your further upgrades.

[Synthetic]

If it stays in tune well a swap out wouldn't do much. The Klusons would be the choice for the vintage look. Pickups is a much better upgrade. The 57/62s are a good choice. I'm a pretty serious vintage nut. Was a collector for many years. I've kept just a few of my favorites that my kids can carry on the legacy with. I love talking "gear" just as much as I love talking about the Colts.

So as not to clog this site up w/ "gear" talk, email me if you ever want to discuss your further upgrades.

 

I will definitely be hitting you up in messages to talk gear.

I never exactly chased a specific tone in my younger years but the older I got I started chasing them. Something along the lines of SRV, Freddie King or Earl Hooker is what I started to lean more towards.

When I heard the 57/62's I fell in love with them. They sound like the tone SRV had, without all the heavy sound that you hear in the Texas Specials pickups. I never exactly cared for the Texas Specials though. More than anything it has that Freddie sound to it without having to pick up an ES or Les Paul. If I can find some and switch them out to some white ones to match my pickups rather than that "Aged White" cream color, I will totally be changing them out.

 

Not to sound like I hate on Gibson, I just am not very comfortable playing them. I love the sound of the ES guitars that were used in the 60's, but as for the Les Pauls, you couldn't pay me to grow used to them. A strat is far more comfortable.

[dgambill]

I tend to agree. He beat the 85 Bears defense and was the only one that did that season. I would love to see what Manning could do against that D..if anything. I mean you didn't out smart them because they could just overwhelm you

I think Peyton and Brady and Brees...the elite qbs given one of their better teams ie healthy line and receivers would light up that defense. A great qb that can get the ball out quick and take advantage of that secondary is exactly what would be needed....now of course the rules were different then so I'm not saying a blow out but Marino made them look avg...and a lot of teams learned how to beat that secondary later....but it was a great team...and who knows it might have been hard to get Walter off the field and Manning and Brady might not have had as many plays to run.