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Rd2: Cyril Richardson OG (Baylor)

 

Rd3: Khalil Mack OLB (Buffalo)

 

Rd5: Shaq Evans WR (UCLA)

 

Rd6: Daryl Williams OT (Oklahoma)

 

Rd7: Caleb Lavey ILB (Oklahoma State)

Mack is a first rounder more than likely...

 

Why would we draft another guard?

 

We have Thornton and Thomas.

We have no depth behind them after this year if we don't resign McGlynn, and who know's about Thomas coming off an injury.

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Mack is a first rounder more than likely...

 

We have no depth behind them after this year if we don't resign McGlynn, and who know's about Thomas coming off an injury.

 

You think we'll use our first pick on the draft on a back-up lineman?

 

We have more pressing needs. We already have 2 entrenched starters.

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You think we'll use our first pick on the draft on a back-up lineman?

 

We have more pressing needs. We already have 2 entrenched starters.

I didn't mean use our 2nd or 3rd, just that drafting a guard somewhere is probably a good idea.

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Why would we draft another guard?

 

We have Thornton and Thomas.

 

And behind them we have absolutely nothing... Thornton looks really good so far, Thomas looked decent too but is now on IR and we are lacking quality depth and it's not like that you can't upgrade Thomas. Thats why I picked a guy like Richardson who is versatile and also can play tackle a position we also have no quality depth. I know it's not sexy to pick an Offensive Line guy that early but seriously we need more quality there. 

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so after we trade for Trent Richardson yesterday, people gripe because we didn't trade for an offensive lineman instead...OP has a mock draft using our top pick on an offensive lineman and people gripe... this is a crazy mixed up world full of people who are never happy   lol

 

Im sure you're referring to me and no, I didn't gripe that we didn't trade for an O-lineman.

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This dont really change alot for me

2.Jordan Matthews-WR-Vanderbilt

3.Chris Borland-Run stuffing thumper ILB Wisconsin

4.Jeremiah Attaochu-OLB/DE Georgia Tech

Not sure beyond that way to early

Like jordan matthews but needs a bit more speed sub 4.5.

Borland could be good at ILB as well as telvin smith

Don't know much about attauchu- some information/tape about him please?

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This would be my kind of draft:

 

 

Round 2: Spencer Long, RT/OG, Nebraska, 6'4", 315

 

Round 3: Jeremiah Attaochu of Georgia Tech at OLB, 6'3", 242, has played 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB, versatile

 

Round 5: Kenny Ladler, FS, Vanderbilt, 6'0", 205 - Vanderbilt, South Carolina, LSU and Bama have some of the best coached secondaries, IMO (Bethea is gone, i feel)

 

Round 6: Marcus Williams, CB, North Dakota State, 5'11", 197 (much like a Kayvon Webster in 2013 or Asa Jackson in 2012, a late round gem for development, IMO): http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=120658&draftyear=2014&genpos=CB)

 

Excerpts:

DB-Marcus Williams, NDSU 5-11 197 Sr. Minneapolis (Minn.) Hopkins High,...Williams, a 5-foot-11, 197-pound senior from Minneapolis, Minn. (Hopkins H.S.), has started all 43 games played and became the program's all-time interception leader with 18 picks including two in the 2013 FCS Championship game against Sam Houston State. He finished with seven interceptions for the second straight season in 2012, and added 39 tackles including 23 solos and 11 pass breakups.

 

Marcus Williams, CB, North Dakota State, Sr., 5-11, 194...The most electrifying defensive player in the FCS just may reside in Fargo with two-time defending national champion North Dakota State. Williams enters his senior season with 18 career interceptions - a school record and the most among active FCS players - and he's returned five for touchdowns.

The 2012 Missouri Valley Football Conference defensive player of the year and a two-time All-America first-team selection, he finished ninth in the Buck Buchanan Award voting last year. Also a standout kick returner, the Minneapolis resident is considered one of the top FCS prospects for the 2014 NFL Draft. But before he gets to that point, he is focused on getting the Bison a third straight national title. - The Sports Network

 

This guy reminds me of a Brandon Carr of Grand Valley State when he was drafted by the Chiefs and then played lights out with Crennel, and is now pretty much a standout CB with the Cowboys.

 

 

Round 7: Kaneakua Friel, TE, BYU, 6'4", 250

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I'd be open to taking a guard with our first pick, of course there's the talk of Khalil Mack's potential as a 1st rounder, and lastly, I really don't think we should take a wide receiver until the late rounds (that's right, I said it).

So for my suggestions, I'd love to see us get a D-lineman and inside linebacker early- I could include an O-lineman in there.

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We have a top 10 offense even with an average o-line. With 35 mil in cap space i think Grigson will go after Alex Mack to bolster the o-line and sign Jeremy Macklin to replace DHB. The defense needs much more help and i think that's what will do for the majority of the draft.

 

RD2:  Stephon Tuitt DE, Notre Dame, 6'5 305 lbs,  4.78  40 - Were missing interior pass rushing and Tuitt would provide that, he's solid against the run as well. Redding is a great veteran leader but he hasn't played great and he's at the tail end of his career. He could be our J.J Watt of the defense(won't have as many sacks and passes defended) but has the potential to be a 10-12 sack a year player and the anchor of the defense for the next decade.

 

RD3: Kyle Fuller CB, Virginia Tech, 6'0 190 lbs, 4.35  40 - Tall physical press CB that shut down Alabama's star WR Amari Cooper in their first game. Virginia Tech has one of the best defenses in college football. Toler could move to the slot where he's used to playing and the secondary will be much improved.

 

RD5: Jack Mewhort OT,Ohio State, 6'6 305 lbs - Has done a great job protecting Braxton Miller's blinside, would provide great depth behind Castonzo and Cherilus.

 

RD6: James Gayle OLB, Virginia Tech, 6'4 254 lbs, 4.7  40 - Athletic player with natural pass rushing skills, depth for Werner and Mathis.

 

RD7: Dezmond Southward S, Wsconson, 6'2 214 lbs, 4.65 40 - Great run defender and versatile,  had 8 tfl, 2 INT's and 5 passes defended. Lefedged and Sergio Brown probably won't be back.

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We have a top 10 offense even with an average o-line. With 35 mil in cap space i think Grigson will go after Alex Mack to bolster the o-line and sign Jeremy Macklin to replace DHB. The defense needs much more help and i think that's what will do for the majority of the draft.

 

RD2:  Stephon Tuitt DE, Notre Dame, 6'5 305 lbs,  4.78  40 - Were missing interior pass rushing and Tuitt would provide that, he's solid against the run as well. Redding is a great veteran leader but he hasn't played great and he's at the tail end of his career. He could be our J.J Watt of the defense(won't have as many sacks and passes defended) but has the potential to be a 10-12 sack a year player and the anchor of the defense for the next decade.

 

RD3: Kyle Fuller CB, Virginia Tech, 6'0 190 lbs, 4.35  40 - Tall physical press CB that shut down Alabama's star WR Amari Cooper in their first game. Virginia Tech has one of the best defenses in college football. Toler could move to the slot where he's used to playing and the secondary will be much improved.

 

RD5: Jack Mewhort OT,Ohio State, 6'6 305 lbs - Has done a great job protecting Braxton Miller's blinside, would provide great depth behind Castonzo and Cherilus.

 

RD6: James Gayle OLB, Virginia Tech, 6'4 254 lbs, 4.7  40 - Athletic player with natural pass rushing skills, depth for Werner and Mathis.

 

RD7: Dezmond Southward S, Wsconson, 6'2 214 lbs, 4.65 40 - Great run defender and versatile,  had 8 tfl, 2 INT's and 5 passes defended. Lefedged and Sergio Brown probably won't be back.

No DE is going to get 10-12 sacks in the colts system.

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No DE is going to get 10-12 sacks in the colts system.

I don't think Manusky will be back next year if the defense continue to struggle. Pagano should be calling the plays or we hire Rex Ryan. We run a lot of 3-4 but were a multiple defense, so Tuitt would move over to DT when we go to 4 man fronts so it's possible he can get 10-12 sacks.

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I don't think Manusky will be back next year if the defense continue to struggle. Pagano should be calling the plays or we hire Rex Ryan. We run a lot of 3-4 but were a multiple defense, so Tuitt would move over to DT when we go to 4 man fronts so it's possible he can get 10-12 sacks.

I'm aware he will move inside in different looks, but I can't think of any DE who played for Rex/Pagano who got that many sacks.

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Draft:

2nd Round - **Trade down for 3rd and 4th**

3rd Round - Kyle Fuller CB, Virginia Tech - Played a very good game against Alabama, might not even be there.

3rd Round - Anthony Steen OG, Alabama - Solid guard prospect who will be the perfect backup for Thomas and Thorton.

4th Round - Tre Boston FS, North Carolina - Has versatility to play safety or corner, if he developed then Landry could slide to SS.

5th Round - Chris Borland ILB, Wisconsin - Nice MIKE prospect who is a thumper with some decent pass rush ability.

6th Round - James Gayle OLB, Virginia Tech - Has some potential and could develop behind Warner, Mathis, Johnson, and Walden. Could be used as a pass rush specialist early in his career.

7th Round - Jeffery Whitaker DT, Auburn - Has had a problem with injuries that will bump his draft stock down, but a solid late round guy to take a chance on.

 

That's not including FA of course. One question I had, I'm new to the board and wondered what people thought about Pat Angerer? He is going to be a FA, is he worth resigning with all the injuries?

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Draft:

2nd Round - **Trade down for 3rd and 4th**

3rd Round - Kyle Fuller CB, Virginia Tech - Played a very good game against Alabama, might not even be there.

3rd Round - Anthony Steen OG, Alabama - Solid guard prospect who will be the perfect backup for Thomas and Thorton.

4th Round - Tre Boston FS, North Carolina - Has versatility to play safety or corner, if he developed then Landry could slide to SS.

5th Round - Chris Borland ILB, Wisconsin - Nice MIKE prospect who is a thumper with some decent pass rush ability.

6th Round - James Gayle OLB, Virginia Tech - Has some potential and could develop behind Warner, Mathis, Johnson, and Walden. Could be used as a pass rush specialist early in his career.

7th Round - Jeffery Whitaker DT, Auburn - Has had a problem with injuries that will bump his draft stock down, but a solid late round guy to take a chance on.

 

That's not including FA of course. One question I had, I'm new to the board and wondered what people thought about Pat Angerer? He is going to be a FA, is he worth resigning with all the injuries?

Angerer is a good interior linebacker but better suited for the 4-3 scheme, He is also a pursuit and drag down and tackle linebacker, not a real thumper

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I've seen rumors of the Browns also potentially looking for deals for Josh Gordon. It would be a major coup to trade our 5th, 6th and 7th for him, albeit highly unlikely. If there is no deal there then I expect them to sign Jeremy Maclin in free agency. I would rather try to trade multiple late round picks to move up rather than the other way around. In the second I really want Stephon Tuitt. If they keep a 3rd then they should draft Karlos Williams. They could hopefully trade Donald Brown and Pat Angerer for an ILB better suited in the 3-4 next to Freeman.

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Angerer is a good interior linebacker but better suited for the 4-3 scheme, He is also a pursuit and drag down and tackle linebacker, not a real thumper

 

Appreciate the input. What do you think about a guy like Andrew Jackson in the 3rd or 4th round or (since we probably have a lot more needs that need to be met in the draft than ILB) how about someone like Brandon Spikes in FA? He won't be that expensive because he is truly a two down player. I'm trying to look at guys that are either going to be relatively cheap or aren't our first pick at ILB because I know we have many more important needs to filled. Also, I'm looking at guys that fit strictly in the MIKE spot in our 3-4.

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Appreciate the input. What do you think about a guy like Andrew Jackson in the 3rd or 4th round or (since we probably have a lot more needs that need to be met in the draft than ILB) how about someone like Brandon Spikes in FA? He won't be that expensive because he is truly a two down player. I'm trying to look at guys that are either going to be relatively cheap or aren't our first pick at ILB because I know we have many more important needs to filled. Also, I'm looking at guys that fit strictly in the MIKE spot in our 3-4.

I like him as a 4th round pick, worries me a bit in coverage getting back into zones, does not look real athletic either. I like him as a 2 down down hill ILB though, Spikes I like to but cant see NE letting him go

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If Stephon Tuitt is off the board which there's a good chance he will be, my 2nd option for the 2nd round would be Taylor Hart DE/DT. He's 6'6 295 lbs and led Oregon with 8 sacks even with Dion Jordan on the team. He reminds me a lot of Justin Smith but faster and more athletic. He can rush standing up, in a 5 technique, or at DT.  We could send so many creative blitzes with this guy on the defense along with Werner and Mathis. I wouldn't change any of my other picks still like Kyle Fuller in the 3rd.

 

Here are some of his highlights

 

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I like him as a 4th round pick, worries me a bit in coverage getting back into zones, does not look real athletic either. I like him as a 2 down down hill ILB though, Spikes I like to but cant see NE letting him go

 

I always had envisioned the Patriots letting Brandon Spikes walk during FA and sliding Hightower to MLB, leaving Mayo at WLB, and inserting Jamie Collins at SLB to take over Hightower's role.

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This dont really change alot for me

 

2.Jordan Matthews-WR-Vanderbilt

3.Chris Borland-Run stuffing thumper ILB Wisconsin

4.Jeremiah Attaochu-OLB/DE Georgia Tech

 

 

Not sure beyond that way to early

Jordan Matthews may be the most underrated guy in this entire class, If he makes it to our pick in the second I will scream bloody murder if we don't take him.  ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS KID!

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If Stephon Tuitt is off the board which there's a good chance he will be, my 2nd option for the 2nd round would be Taylor Hart DE/DT. He's 6'6 295 lbs and led Oregon with 8 sacks even with Dion Jordan on the team. He reminds me a lot of Justin Smith but faster and more athletic. He can rush standing up, in a 5 technique, or at DT.  We could send so many creative blitzes with this guy on the defense along with Werner and Mathis. I wouldn't change any of my other picks still like Kyle Fuller in the 3rd.

 

Here are some of his highlights

 

He has that weird sort of squatting stance I don't like. If he can get a better stance then he could get a quicker explosion off the line. Like his speed and looks like he has a nice bull rush too. If he can develop his hand technique and use his swim move a little then he could be really good.

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I always had envisioned the Patriots letting Brandon Spikes walk during FA and sliding Hightower to MLB, leaving Mayo at WLB, and inserting Jamie Collins at SLB to take over Hightower's role.

Im not high on Collins lol, not very athletic or strong but at least one of those is fixable

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I haven't got the best idea about college players but i would say the draft would go something like this:

 

2nd- D Lineman

3rd- SS (depending on if bethea leaves or not but i dont think he will) so instead ILB

5th- O Lineman

6th- CB

7th- WR/RB (will need depth at these positions especially if bradshaw/brown leaves)

 

If we do pick up a safety in the draft instead of a ILB i think we will pick up a free agent LB or find a freeman.

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I haven't got the best idea about college players but i would say the draft would go something like this:

 

2nd- D Lineman

3rd- SS (depending on if bethea leaves or not but i dont think he will) so instead ILB

5th- O Lineman

6th- CB

7th- WR/RB (will need depth at these positions especially if bradshaw/brown leaves)

 

If we do pick up a safety in the draft instead of a ILB i think we will pick up a free agent LB or find a freeman.

If we find the next Freeman I hope he is a thumber of an ILB, we need that

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