Obgonnia Okoronkwo is 1 reason why we can pass on Chubb..

[jshipp23]

I have been saying we can still get a very good pass rusher in round 2, and pass on Chubb to take Barkley..The knock on Okoronkwo is his size at 6-1 240lbs, and some say he is only suited for 3-4, but if you watch the tape he is an ANIMAL..He is a combination of Mathis and Freeney athletically..Like Freeney he is very strong and has a good bullrush, also I have never seen a better spin move on a prospect, and he has perfected it to to get to the QB much like Freeney,..He is undersized like Mathis, but is also just as quick, agile, and relentless ..He should be there in the 2nd, and is my favorite pass rusher so far..At Oklahoma they used him as OLB and defensive end, and he has some ability to even drop in coverage..Some will say he is more suited to 3-4 because of his size, but he played as end with hand in the dirt in 4-3, and as a standup Olb..We will use hybrid 4-3 most likely with some 3-4 looks so I think this is a guy to watch.. He has no red flags or character issues like an Arden Key does..We could possibly get the elite running back and our next stud pass rusher without sacrificing either..Thoughts on this guy? Am I not seeing something?

[jshipp23]

Mods please remove extra thread it made 2 for some reason...thanks

[krunk]

Haters gon hate

[Flash7]

Or we could get Chubb and Okoronkwo and address pass rush in 1 draft.

[The Peytonator]

Yeah I really like Obgo too. I don’t want to be a broken record with trade down talks, but I would be very happy to do so and draft this guy. 

[jshipp23]

58 minutes ago, krunk said:

Haters gon hate

I like Chubb, but I don't think he is any better than Reddick or Barnett from last year who weren't top 10, and not close to Myles Garrett..I think we can get similar or better production from Okoronkwo, Landry, or Key..So why pass on Barkley?? If we pass on Barkley I hope it's cause we are trading back and looking at Nelson, Edmonds, or Fitzpatrick and gaining picks..

[boo2202]

^^^ agree with this. This is why I would look at a trade with buffalo with their two 1st round picks and their 1st next year. You could get obgo and Landry. Then focus the rest of draft on oline/lb's. 

[ColtJ82]

Can he be a 3 down end though? That is what I like about Chubb. Just concerned about the run.

[jshipp23]

18 minutes ago, ColtJ82 said:

Can he be a 3 down end though? That is what I like about Chubb. Just concerned about the run.

Mathis was, and run stopping wasn't his specialty...This kid can get to the QB, and play the run decent...

[jshipp23]

19 minutes ago, ColtJ82 said:

Can he be a 3 down end though? That is what I like about Chubb. Just concerned about the run.

Chubb is all around good player, but I'm not drafting a defensive end at 3 based on run stopping ability...

[The Peytonator]

2 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Chubb is all around good player, but I'm not drafting a defensive end at 3 based on run stopping ability...

 

Applying pressure against the QB is infinitely more important than having a defensive end that gets run stops. @stitches had a really informative thread about just how unimportant the run game is on either side of the ball. The running game is nearing obsolescence. 

[Scott Pennock]

The FO has already had a one-on-one meeting with him too. 

 

I share similar thoughts BUT I'd also love a Chubb - Ogbo - Scales/Leonard 1st thru 3rd rounds....

[jshipp23]

2 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:

The FO has already had a one-on-one meeting with him too. 

 

I share similar thoughts BUT I'd also love a Chubb - Ogbo - Scales/Leonard 1st thru 3rd rounds....

That would definitely fix the defense..I wouldn't be disappointed in that either..

[NewColtsFan]

9 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Chubb is all around good player, but I'm not drafting a defensive end at 3 based on run stopping ability...

 

You really honestly and sincerely don't follow this stuff much -- do you?

 

Would you like to tell us how many DEs in the NFL are 6'1" and 240?   The answer is ZERO but don't take my word for it, go check all 32 rosters to see if I'm wrong.

 

Plus...    if we take Barkley at e and focus on trying to take the kid from OU, what happens if someone takes him before us?

 

And then we're not addressing the OL until round 3....    but let's stay focused on your guy.   We should HOPE we get him as a reason to bypass Chubb who is only the best pass rusher in the draft. 

 

And And the kid us a 3-4 linebacker....

 

If Chubb is taken by Cleve at one or the Giants at two,  then I hope we trade back with a team like the Jets, get a 1, 2, and 3 and take Nelson at 6.  (This way you won't have to worry about taking a FLIPPING guard in the top 5)

[NewColtsFan]

20 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Chubb is all around good player, but I'm not drafting a defensive end at 3 based on run stopping ability...

 

Chubb is the best pass rusher in the draft.   He's ALSO very good against the run.

 

He has a great motor.   He's great in the clubhouse.   There isn't a player like him every year.   Beyond your Man Crush on Barkley,  I don't understand your anti-Chubb arguments?

[jshipp23]

2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

You really honestly and sincerely don't follow this stuff much -- do you?

 

Would you like to tell us how many DEs in the NFL are 6'1" and 240?   The answer is ZERO but don't take my word for it, go check all 32 rosters to see if I'm wrong.

 

Plus...    if we take Barkley at e and focus on trying to take the kid from OU, what happens if someone takes him before us?

 

And then we're not addressing the OL until round 3....    but let's stay focused on your guy.   We should HOPE we get him as a reason to bypass Chubb who is only the best pass rusher in the draft. 

 

And And the kid us a 3-4 linebacker....

 

If Chubb is taken by Cleve at one or the Giants at two,  then I hope we trade back with a team like the Jets, get a 1, 2, and 3 and take Nelson at 6.  (This way you won't have to worry about taking a FLIPPING guard in the top 5)

He is getting knocked for his size, I explained in post he is same size as Mathis and played with hand in dirt as end on 4 man fronts with no issues in college...What are you not understanding??

[jshipp23]

Just now, NewColtsFan said:

 

Chubb is the best pass rusher in the draft.   He's ALSO very good against the run.

 

He has a great motor.   He's great in the clubhouse.   There isn't a player like him every year.   Beyond your Man Crush on Barkley,  I don't understand your anti-Chubb arguments?

I don't think he is worth the 3 pick..I think Oko, Landry, or Key will be there in 2nd and could end up better..

[That Guy]

I like the player, but I hate the fit.  I think the match would be a waste of potential for both parties.

[jshipp23]

6 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

You really honestly and sincerely don't follow this stuff much -- do you?

 

Would you like to tell us how many DEs in the NFL are 6'1" and 240?   The answer is ZERO but don't take my word for it, go check all 32 rosters to see if I'm wrong.

 

Plus...    if we take Barkley at e and focus on trying to take the kid from OU, what happens if someone takes him before us?

 

And then we're not addressing the OL until round 3....    but let's stay focused on your guy.   We should HOPE we get him as a reason to bypass Chubb who is only the best pass rusher in the draft. 

 

And And the kid us a 3-4 linebacker....

 

If Chubb is taken by Cleve at one or the Giants at two,  then I hope we trade back with a team like the Jets, get a 1, 2, and 3 and take Nelson at 6.  (This way you won't have to worry about taking a FLIPPING guard in the top 5)

There is this thing called free agency..

[jshipp23]

2 minutes ago, That Guy said:

I like the player, but I hate the fit.  I think the match would be a waste of potential for both parties.

Thats the question? If he can translate and play end in NFL like Mathis did..I personally think he can..

[NewColtsFan]

9 minutes ago, That Guy said:

I like the player, but I hate the fit.  I think the match would be a waste of potential for both parties.

 

 

[jshipp23]

Just now, NewColtsFan said:

 

You hate the fit?

 

We're switching to a 4-3 and Chubb is a textbook 4-3 DE and you don't like the fit?

 

What am I not understanding?

You are so lost...lol..He was talking about Okoronkwo...

[That Guy]

Just now, NewColtsFan said:

 

You hate the fit?

 

We're switching to a 4-3 and Chubb is a textbook 4-3 DE and you don't like the fit?

 

What am I not understanding?

I was referring to the original post (Okoronkwo).  Didn’t take the time to quote.

[NewColtsFan]

10 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

I don't think he is worth the 3 pick..I think Oko, Landry, or Key will be there in 2nd and could end up better..

 

Oko isn't a fit... he's a LB.   So is Landry, another linebacker.

 

And Key has enough red flags to power a sail boat around the world.   Like I said, you really don't follow this much.   

 

Find me the website that says Chubb isn't a top 5 player?   There isn't any.    You see what you want to see and like posting opinions.   

[That Guy]

7 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Thats the question? If he can translate and play end in NFL like Mathis did..I personally think he can..

He can, but it’s a risk.  The chance of him becoming a good-to-great 43 end is lower than the chance of him becoming a good-to-great 34 olb.  He will be worth more to other teams, and I hope that allows a better fit for our scheme to fall into our laps.  We’ve been burned, as fans, watching our previous regime try to coach “athletes” and “players” into bad scheme fits.  It hasn’t been working in our favor in recent years.  Maybe the new regime will be better at it, but I’m all for the safe route for now.

[NewColtsFan]

4 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

You are so lost...lol..He was talking about Okoronkwo...

 

It would be helpful if people would NOT post WITHOUT using a persons NAME!

 

Hello?   It's a basic principle of writing in English.    You're supposed to learn that in elementary school.    Hello?

 

I wouldn't be taking shots at me about being lost when the poster was supporting MY OPINION and not yours!!

 

Hello?!?    

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

It would be helpful if people would NOT post WITHOUT using a persons NAME!

 

Hello?   It's a basic principle of writing in English.    You're supposed to learn that in elementary school.    Hello?

 

I wouldn't be taking shots at me about being lost when the poster was supporting MY OPINION and not yours!!

 

Hello?!?    

Hence my use of initials 

[That Guy]

11 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Find me the website that says Chubb isn't a top 5 player?   There isn't any.    You see what you want to see and like posting opinions.   

 

Here’s one:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915990/article/charley-casserly-mock-draft-10-colts-snag-saquon-barkley

 

7 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

It would be helpful if people would NOT post WITHOUT using a persons NAME!

 

Hello?   It's a basic principle of writing in English.    You're supposed to learn that in elementary school.    Hello?

 

I wouldn't be taking shots at me about being lost when the poster was supporting MY OPINION and not yours!!

 

Hello?!?    

Ha!  Have you heard of asking for clarification?  It’s the typical English way to respond to ambiguity. 

 

I agree with your opinion on this thread, but let’s not turn this into a meaningless argument.

[jshipp23]

20 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Oko isn't a fit... he's a LB.   So is Landry, another linebacker.

 

And Key has enough red flags to power a sail boat around the world.   Like I said, you really don't follow this much.   

 

Find me the website that says Chubb isn't a top 5 player?   There isn't any.    You see what you want to see and like posting opinions.   

I watch and follow all the websites..I then form my own opinion unlike you who just regurgitates everything you read...I compared Oko to Mathis, i said he was undersized, and many say he only fits a 3-4..I also clearly explained I've seen him play the end with hand in dirt on 4 man front and still excel...What's the problem? Just disagree...Don' t act like you are smarter in your corny, tired writing style..smh.. That really gets old man..I never said Chubb was a bad player, I would rather have Barkley #1, trade back for Edmonds, Nelson, or Fitzpatrick #2, before taking Chubb at 3..I think all 4 players have more elite potential than Chubb..

[PrincetonTiger]

I am not sure about OO’s scheme fit but what we go for in FA will determine draft need 

   If the Colts decide to go for OO over Chubb I would it is not for SB

[jshipp23]

8 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

It would be helpful if people would NOT post WITHOUT using a persons NAME!

 

Hello?   It's a basic principle of writing in English.    You're supposed to learn that in elementary school.    Hello?

 

I wouldn't be taking shots at me about being lost when the poster was supporting MY OPINION and not yours!!

 

Hello?!?    

It's pretty obvious...lol..No one has said Chubb isn't a scheme fit for a 4-3..

[jshipp23]

Also, I think we will go after Ansah and Lawrence in free agency and get 1..So Okoronkwo wouldn't be as big a risk, he wouldn't have to come in guns blazin at first, he will have time to adjust, and be used situationally both at end and olb..He is a major talent I think very well could be next Mathis for us..

[That Guy]

4 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Also, I think we will go after Ansah and Lawrence in free agency and get 1..So Okoronkwo wouldn't be as big a risk, he wouldn't have to come in guns blazin at first, he will have time to adjust, and be used situationally both at end and olb..He is a major talent I think very well could be next Mathis for us..

I don’t think the state of our roster has much impact on Ballard’s drafting strategy.  I’m not saying he’s gonna go full Mullen, but he seems to stick to his board rather than drafting for need.  I could easily see him getting a de in free agency and still drafting a de early in the draft.

 

Okoronkwo could turn into Mathis, but it’s still risking a first round pick to get him.  If he 100% was the next Mathis, I’d take that in a heartbeat; but it’s not even close to 100%.  Mathis was only a fifth round pick for us.

[ty4atd]

Mathis until late in his career was a pass rush specialist who would rotate with Brock on 1st and 2nd down and his best season was in a 3-4 that's why people are reserved on his size and Mathis was the exception to the rule but a 4-3 ends need to be bigger 90% of the time. 

[jshipp23]

1 minute ago, That Guy said:

I don’t think the state of our roster has much impact on Ballard’s drafting strategy.  I’m not saying he’s gonna go full Mullen, but he seems to stick to his board rather than drafting for need.  I could easily see him getting a de in free agency and still drafting a de early in the draft.

 

Okoronkwo could turn into Mathis, but it’s still risking a first round pick to get him.  If he 100% was the next Mathis, I’d take that in a heartbeat; but it’s not even close to 100%.  Mathis was only a fifth round pick for us.

I wouldn't take Oko in 1st, I would in 2nd..Heck I wouldn't be sad if we trade back a few spots and get Chubb, and still take Okoronkwo in 2nd..We definitely will fix the pass rush if we did that..I'm not anti-Chubb I know he is good..

[That Guy]

1 minute ago, jshipp23 said:

I wouldn't take Oko in 1st, I would in 2nd..Heck I wouldn't be sad if we trade back a few spots and get Chubb, and still take Okoronkwo in 2nd..We definitely will fix the pass rush if we did that..I'm not anti-Chubb I know he is good..

We all have our favorites.

[jshipp23]

3 minutes ago, ty4atd said:

Mathis until late in his career was a pass rush specialist who would rotate with Brock on 1st and 2nd down and his best season was in a 3-4 that's why people are reserved on his size and Mathis was the exception to the rule but a 4-3 ends need to be bigger 90% of the time. 

I agree, but I think he can do it, and most defenses run hybrids of both..Even though we were 3-4 we still ran plenty of 4-3 looks, I'm not so caught up on the scheme..Good players will find a way no matter the scheme..Funny thing is when people still thought we were running a 3-4 they still wanted Chubb even though he better fits 4-3...It can work either way..Oko can put on some weight as well, his height actually benefits him, he gets low and gains leverage on tackles to his advantage..

[coltsnation]

Okoronkwo is one my favorite prospects and could be a steal 3-4 round.  I think he could work in our defense if he gets stronger.

[boo2202]

Ballard was on board in KC when they drafted Dee ford. Same measurables not sure if ford played with his hand in the dirt or was strictly an LB. Maybe obgo can play LB in some packages and on passing downs play End. I've seen a few clips of obgo in coverage he doesn't look terrible. 

[NewColtsFan]

2 hours ago, jshipp23 said:

I watch and follow all the websites..I then form my own opinion unlike you who just regurgitates everything you read...I compared Oko to Mathis, i said he was undersized, and many say he only fits a 3-4..I also clearly explained I've seen him play the end with hand in dirt on 4 man front and still excel...What's the problem? Just disagree...Don' t act like you are smarter in your corny, tired writing style..smh.. That really gets old man..I never said Chubb was a bad player, I would rather have Barkley #1, trade back for Edmonds, Nelson, or Fitzpatrick #2, before taking Chubb at 3..I think all 4 players have more elite potential than Chubb..

 

Corny tired writing style?  

 

It's called ENGLISH.     No wonder you're having so much trouble with it.