RB market

[Patrick Miller]

Seems like there are a lot of good running backs on the market this year in free agency…..Henry, Barkley,Jacobs and mixon to name few. I bet it’s not too far-fetched that we can get Zach Moss back.

[OhioColt]

Moss done well with the Colts for sure but can see him test the market and not come back. 

 

The Bills released Hines and wouldn't mind adding him back wearing multiple hats as an option SWR/RB/return specialist.   Hines as we know can catch and to me would be an excellent backup option behind Downs. 

 

Obviously, a draft risk if we do let Moss go, in Round 3, I would consider drafting either RB Isaac Guerendo (Louisville) or Dylan Laube (New Hampshire).  Like Hines, both have great hands and can function as return specialist while serving as RB2-3. 

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, OhioColt said:

Moss done well with the Colts for sure but can see him test the market and not come back. 

 

The Bills released Hines and wouldn't mind adding him back wearing multiple hats as an option SWR/RB/return specialist.   Hines as we know can catch and to me would be an excellent backup option behind Downs. 

 

Obviously, a draft risk if we do let Moss go, in Round 3, I would consider drafting either RB Isaac Guerendo (Louisville) or Dylan Laube (New Hampshire).  Like Hines, both have great hands and can function as return specialist while serving as RB2-3. 

There's no part of me who wants to spend a draft pick on a running back unless maybe it’s a 7.   There’s plenty of decent RB’s available in free agency.   Thats where you can acquire a decent backup running back.  

[NewColtsFan]

As for Moss, he’s a back a like a lot.  Have since we acquired him in the Hines trade. 
 

But even assuming the Colts want Moss back, there is this.  At the end of his season, Moss’s agent said his client should get what David Singleton of Detroit got in FA a year ago.  3/18.  
 

I don’t think Ballard would pay anything close to that.   Maybe 2/10.   Maybe.  So it may not be enough to bring Moss back.  Just saying…. 

[OhioColt]

13 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

As for Moss, he’s a back a like a lot.  Have since we acquired him in the Hines trade. 
 

But even assuming the Colts want Moss back, there is this.  At the end of his season, Moss’s agent said his client should get what David Singleton of Detroit got in FA a year ago.  3/18.  
 

I don’t think Ballard would pay anything close to that.   Maybe 2/10.   Maybe.  So it may not be enough to bring Moss back.  Just saying…. 

We know the Colts love to run the ball and have a solid OL that we can actually do that with JT.  NFL is an RB by committee and the Colts will need assurance if anything happens to JT.  Moss was that guy, and the league has clearly devalued RBs.  Look at the Titans they drafted Spears in Round 3 to compliment Henry and appears to be the new RB1 in Tennessee.  I would like to see something very similar for the Colts with either Guerendo or Laube.  A back capable of RB1-2 status knowing that we can continue our ground and pound game with a high level of confidence.

[Hawkeyecolt]

There will be possibly 6-10 RB’s ranked higher than Moss. It very well could lead him back to the Colts.  Yes, his agent said he wanted David Montgomery money but it doesn’t mean he will get it.  

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, OhioColt said:

We know the Colts love to run the ball and have a solid OL that we can actually do that with JT.  NFL is an RB by committee and the Colts will need assurance if anything happens to JT.  Moss was that guy, and the league has clearly devalued RBs.  Look at the Titans they drafted Spears in Round 3 to compliment Henry and appears to be the new RB1 in Tennessee.  I would like to see something very similar for the Colts with either Guerendo or Laube.  A back capable of RB1-2 status knowing that we can continue our ground and pound game with a high level of confidence.

Doing what Tenn did is A Way of doing things.  But it’s not the only way.  Ballard always stresses there many ways to win.  I don’t see Ballard ever spending a 3 on a player would likely be mostly a backup.  He’d spend a Day 3 pick, the only question is how high.   

[Solid84]

I don't know if I'm misremembering and I'm not sure this was a specific Colts' thing, but I remember there was a thought "in the league" that you should draft a RB every year.

 

"Good enough" RBs are easy to come by in the draft and RBs get A LOT more injury prone with mileage. I could see the Colts taking a RB on day 3. They've met with Blake Watson at the Shrine Bowl I believe.

[chad72]

37 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

I don't know if I'm misremembering and I'm not sure this was a specific Colts' thing, but I remember there was a thought "in the league" that you should draft a RB every year.

 

"Good enough" RBs are easy to come by in the draft and RBs get A LOT more injury prone with mileage. I could see the Colts taking a RB on day 3. They've met with Blake Watson at the Shrine Bowl I believe.

 

To me, both Will Shipley of Clemson and Marshawn Lloyd of USC have great experience in the passing game with blitz pickup and catching balls out of the backfield on screens and swing passes. If I were Ballard, I would target one of them. You don't need them to be blazing track stars but fast and elusive enough with good reliable hands with enough bulk for blitz pickup, both of those guys are that, IMO. They will make Zack Moss expendable, eventually.

[Solid84]

2 hours ago, chad72 said:

 

To me, both Will Shipley of Clemson and Marshawn Lloyd of USC have great experience in the passing game with blitz pickup and catching balls out of the backfield on screens and swing passes. If I were Ballard, I would target one of them. You don't need them to be blazing track stars but fast and elusive enough with good reliable hands with enough bulk for blitz pickup, both of those guys are that, IMO. They will make Zack Moss expendable, eventually.

I guess it depends on how high we’d have to take them?

 

I think a guy like Dylan Laube would be a great complement to JT, because he’s an excellent pass catcher. Think we might be able to get him in the 5th. 

[chad72]

7 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

I guess it depends on how high we’d have to take them?

 

I think a guy like Dylan Laube would be a great complement to JT, because he’s an excellent pass catcher. Think we might be able to get him in the 5th. 

 

Beyond Rounds 4, you typically get what you pay for with RBs. Pacheco works, not because he is a 7th rounder but he has a certain set of skills that works with the Chiefs offense and Mahomes demands 2 safeties deep often enough that Pacheco gets enough breathing room to run. However, they haven't had a RB with mad skills in the passing game since they had Kareem Hunt that was drafted in Round 3, I think. It has only been serviceable since then.

 

Being able to pass catch on passing downs is one thing, also being able to blitz pickup on passing downs when you are not the target is another set of skills that elevates your value. Our Goodson ain't picking up blitzes. Both Shipley and Lloyd have 10 lbs on him.

[Hoose]

Moss will get a contract but not close to $6m IMO. If he came back to the Colts it would be for something like 2yrs$6m total. Probably not enough for him but you never know. He might take that elsewhere just for the chance to start. And who could blame him. Meaning: I think Moss is history with the Colts. Look for a late draft pick to complement the backs already on the roster. 

[Scott Pennock]

We will have a healthy JT, a presumably healthy Hull (well balanced runner/pass catcher/blocker) and a full off-season for Tyler Goodson to learn the playbook. 

 

That is a good mix right there. 

 

There is no need to draft a back nor spend money on a FA when there are bigger holes to fill.

 

The main reason is JT will get a majority of the carries so outside of keeping a Trey Sermon type on the PS I just don't see the FO investing much capital in the position outside of a couple UDFA's.

 

Just my $0.02...

[NewColtsFan]

On 3/8/2024 at 5:34 AM, Solid84 said:

I don't know if I'm misremembering and I'm not sure this was a specific Colts' thing, but I remember there was a thought "in the league" that you should draft a RB every year.

 

"Good enough" RBs are easy to come by in the draft and RBs get A LOT more injury prone with mileage. I could see the Colts taking a RB on day 3. They've met with Blake Watson at the Shrine Bowl I believe.

 

FWIW:

This may be right, but I’ve always heard the old saying about draft one every year only applied to quarterbacks.  I’ve not heard it applied to RBs.  

[stitches]

I hope we never pay anything over vet minimum money for RB in FA, now that we have made such a big committment to JT. If we need a backup/complement... draft one on day 3... get another one as UDFA... 

 

If Moss is willing to come back for vet minimum, I'd welcome him too... 

[Zoltan]

11 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

FWIW:

This may be right, but I’ve always heard the old saying about draft one every year only applied to quarterbacks.  I’ve not heard it applied to RBs.  

Same but for what it’s worth with how devalued the RB position is drafting a late RB every two years seems like a good move depending on the depth at the position. There’s some interesting name this year. the only thing for me about Moss is that Moss and JT are to similar Volume runners that can break one, granted when JT breaks one he has the speed to not get caught, I would prefer us to draft or sign a FA who is more of a Darren Sproles type who can jump in be a decent runner and be explosive in the passing game. 

[OhioColt]

On 3/8/2024 at 1:15 AM, NewColtsFan said:

There's no part of me who wants to spend a draft pick on a running back unless maybe it’s a 7.   There’s plenty of decent RB’s available in free agency.   Thats where you can acquire a decent backup running back.  

Moss is officially gone.  Waiting period of FA or draft for our next RB2

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, OhioColt said:

Moss is officially gone.  Waiting period of FA or draft for our next RB2

I confess I’m a little surprised.  The Colts could’ve kept Moss for what looks like 2/9,  unless he asked out for a better opportunity with Cincy than with the Colts?    He’ll likely get more reps with the Bengals.   
 

But I think Steichen feels like he can make do with average, or even above average backs and doesn’t need a pricier option.  I’m guessing now, it’s only the first day and things could clearly change over the course of the week. 

[Chrisaaron1023]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfls-top-running-backs-hold-private-meeting-to-discuss-next-steps-in-diminishing-market-per-report/

 

I'll leave that right there..

 

Wasn't JT caught up in this too last season? and Him and CMC are the only ones to stay with their teams 🤣

[LJpalmbeacher2]

RB is a underrated position but NFL teams are again starting to see the importance of them, and because of that a good back-up is needed too.

Moss is not coming back so since Ballard is unlikely to spend any money on one I expect a late round pick will be spent for one. I hope he picks a good one. I don't think Hull is the answer if JT goes down for a few games. 

If Hines is healthy, I wouldn't mind him coming back.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

On 3/12/2024 at 1:01 AM, NewColtsFan said:

I confess I’m a little surprised.  The Colts could’ve kept Moss for what looks like 2/9,  unless he asked out for a better opportunity with Cincy than with the Colts?    He’ll likely get more reps with the Bengals.   
 

But I think Steichen feels like he can make do with average, or even above average backs and doesn’t need a pricier option.  I’m guessing now, it’s only the first day and things could clearly change over the course of the week. 

 

2years for $9mil is more than rookie/vet minimum which I think the colts will like to spend for JT's backups. 

Hopefully, they don't feel that way on AR5's backups. 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

On 3/10/2024 at 4:37 PM, Zoltan said:

Same but for what it’s worth with how devalued the RB position is drafting a late RB every two years seems like a good move depending on the depth at the position. There’s some interesting name this year. the only thing for me about Moss is that Moss and JT are to similar Volume runners that can break one, granted when JT breaks one he has the speed to not get caught, I would prefer us to draft or sign a FA who is more of a Darren Sproles type who can jump in be a decent runner and be explosive in the passing game. 

Maybe Hines can come back?

[NewColtsFan]

2 hours ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

Maybe Hines can come back?

Hines signed elsewhere.   I think Cleveland. 

[OhioColt]

Now JK Dobbins wouldn't mind adding.  Realize he had a torn achilles and still is young (2)5 with top-10 potential won’t be available to play until late 2025.