Pagano Likes Our RBs [Merge]

[shakedownstreet]

pagano also likes drinks with umbrellas and long walks on the beach

[UndecidedFrog]

Wow, another Rb debate. Brown is going to get the next Qb KILLED. He couldn't block the blitzer, even with PM pointing him out. I hope Fleener likes to block

I am told that all Stanford TEs, RBs, WRs block, or they don't see the game field, per Harbaugh.

[Jay305]

Reading that and your sig shows me you are a downer.

Im no downer I speak the truth. There is no downside or upside to the truth. It stands on its own as the one and only truth

[jemack]

Well we have beat the dead horse Donald Brown to death again. Upcoming season will be his chance to show which side of the debate is correct.

Please try to understand, I like Brown. But if he couldn't grasp his blocking assignment with PM waving it in his face, what makes us think he'll do better with Luck, or Weeden.

[jemack]

pagano also likes drinks with umbrellas and long walks on the beach

OK! I need a link for that one

[Dan]

I'd not mind us taking LaMichael James 3rd round to be honest...

[jemack]

Im no downer I speak the truth. There is no downside or upside tot he truth. It stands on its own as the one and only truth

....thankyou, thankyou, Dr. Seuss

[UndecidedFrog]

Please try to understand, I like Brown. But if he couldn't grasp his blocking assignment with PM waving it in his face, what makes us think he'll do better with Luck, or Weeden.

Perhaps he will do better when Manusky or Pagano teaches it to him.

[Jay305]

Perhaps he will do better when Manusky or Pagano teaches it to him.

its just not in him hes soft

[jemack]

I am told that all Stanford TEs, RBs, WRs block, or they don't see the game field, per Harbaugh.

Then he can shadow Brown

[jemack]

Perhaps he will do better when Manusky or Pagano teaches it to him.

What better way to learn than OTJ with PM, and he still fell short

[Brooklyn Colt]

Wow, another Rb debate. Brown is going to get the next Qb KILLED. He couldn't block the blitzer, even with PM pointing him out. I hope Fleener likes to block

fleener is another dallas clark..not that its a bad thing at all..

[UndecidedFrog]

What better way to learn than OTJ with PM, and he still fell short

Some people need it explained sufficiently in a classroom setting before being able to install it on the field. Maybe he will fall short. However, I think the new regime will give him the opportunity to succeed before showing him the bench.

[UndecidedFrog]

fleener is another dallas clark..not that its a bad thing at all..

I disagree.

Having seen Coby Fleener play in games for the last 2 seasons, I think he blocks adequately. Sure, he can improve in his blocking technique, but he has shown that he can block.

[jemack]

fleener is another dallas clark..not that its a bad thing at all..

Hopefully, Fleener has better leverage tech when it comes to taking on the OLB

[jemack]

Some people need it explained sufficiently in a classroom setting before being able to install it on the field. Maybe he will fall short. However, I think the new regime will give him the opportunity to succeed before showing him the bench.

If PM can drive (How many miles?) to train with Gonzo, What pains do you think PM would go through to teach an Rb to block the right Defensive man to save his own skin?

[shakedownstreet]

Im no downer

ahhahahaha!

[Jason_]

Perhaps he will do better when Manusky or Pagano teaches it to him.

Shouldn't it be either the Running back's coach, or the Offensive coordinator...heck even the O-line or TE coach teaching Brown how to block and not the defensive coordinator?

[Andy]

I, for one, would love to have a good 2 back attack, as I don't think that Donald Brown is a very good feature back, so Carter should get some snaps to take the pressure off him. He just needs to hold onto the ball. It killed AP in his early years, but he's since fixed it.

[UndecidedFrog]

If PM can drive (How many miles?) to train with Gonzo, What pains do you think PM would go through to teach an Rb to block the right Defensive man to save his own skin?

I have no idea what pains PM took to teach Brown anything. Do you?

[UndecidedFrog]

Shouldn't it be either the Running back's coach, or the Offensive coordinator...heck even the O-line or TE coach teaching Brown how to block and not the defensive coordinator?

Yes, you are correct. The RB coach and Arians should teach Brown what to do.

[jemack]

I, for one, would love to have a good 2 back attack, as I don't think that Donald Brown is a very good feature back, so Carter should get some snaps to take the pressure off him. He just needs to hold onto the ball. It killed AP in his early years, but he's since fixed it.

I think Carter is a better carrier than Brown, if the ball stays in his arms. But, gametime repetition would help with that. Away with being benched because he fumbled. Let him play through his mistakes

[Andy]

I have no idea what pains PM took to teach Brown anything. Do you?

It was probably pretty tough

[UndecidedFrog]

It was probably pretty tough

Thanks for that clip. I saw that Brown did not help Castonzo take on that block, but instead went to the right side to help block there. Looking at the clip over, I think the LT's job is to take on a 1-1 situation like that. Maybe I'm wrong in that regard, but I think Castonzo was easily beat.

[jemack]

I have no idea what pains PM took to teach Brown anything. Do you?

You don't think PM shared his insight with the backfield? Are you baiting me...you... you Psychedelic frog?

[UndecidedFrog]

You don't think PM shared his insight with the backfield? Are you baiting me...you... you Psychedelic frog?

I am not baiting you.

I have already stated that I have no idea what pains PM took to teach Brown anything.

Please do not call me names.

[The Peytonator]

I can't believe I'm have to do this......

When you really look at that play, it's a 3 man rush. Why does Donald Brown even need to help on pass pro there? Answer, he doesn't.

That play is more an example of just how bad Charlie Johnson is as a Left Tackle than Don Brown is at pass pro. He could not even handle Jarrett Johnson, an extremely mediocre pass rusher, in a one-on-one situation. Just because Peyton yells at Brown on that play, does not mean Brown was in the wrong. If he did anything wrong, it wasn't failing at chipping Jarrett Johnson, it was probably because he messed up a pass route or something. I'm no expert, but that's just the way I see that play.

[Andy]

Thanks for that clip. I saw that Brown did not help Castonzo take on that block, but instead went to the right side to help block there. Looking at the clip over, I think the LT's job is to take on a 1-1 situation like that. Maybe I'm wrong in that regard, but I think Castonzo was easily beat.

It was Charlie Johnson, not Castonzo. I just posted the clip because it always gets a laugh, and it shows his frustration towards Donald, for really doing not much wrong. You're right Johnson was in a 1-1 situation, but in that kind of line formation, which I believe they call the "Montana formation", a chip/blocking that side from the RB is necessary, because if there was a blitz on that side, or if Johnson couldn't fail to stop the DE (which is what happened), it would be the beginning of the end.

I could go on and on for hours about that formation, and even that play, but I really don't want too

[UndecidedFrog]

I can't believe I'm have to do this......

When you really look at that play, it's a 3 man rush. Why does Donald Brown even need to help on pass pro there? Answer, he doesn't.

That play is more an example of just how bad Charlie Johnson is as a Left Tackle than Don Brown is at pass pro. He could not even handle Jarrett Johnson, an extremely mediocre pass rusher, in a one-on-one situation. Just because Peyton yells at Brown on that play, does not mean Brown was in the wrong. If he did anything wrong, it wasn't failing at chipping Jarrett Johnson, it was probably because he messed up a pass route or something. I'm no expert, but that's just the way I see that play.

Yes, you're right.

I don't know what the called play was. I don't know if Brown missed a blocking assignment, or missed going upfield right and sit down as the safety outlet. or did the right thing as far as going right side to lead block for a called bootleg run to the right.

What I saw was #74 (Castonzo from my roster record) the LT getting blown up by the rush which disrupted the play.

[jemack]

I am not baiting you.

I have already stated that I have no idea what pains PM took to teach Brown anything.

Please do not call me names.

The term baiting in this case, is a verb, not a noun. Hey look, what PM taught or didn't teach the backfield is up for grabs, But what's most important above all is that I did not call you a name

[jemack]

I can't believe I'm have to do this......

When you really look at that play, it's a 3 man rush. Why does Donald Brown even need to help on pass pro there? Answer, he doesn't.

That play is more an example of just how bad Charlie Johnson is as a Left Tackle than Don Brown is at pass pro. He could not even handle Jarrett Johnson, an extremely mediocre pass rusher, in a one-on-one situation. Just because Peyton yells at Brown on that play, does not mean Brown was in the wrong. If he did anything wrong, it wasn't failing at chipping Jarrett Johnson, it was probably because he messed up a pass route or something. I'm no expert, but that's just the way I see that play.

unless Brown was the outlet receiver

[The Peytonator]

unless Brown was the outlet receiver

Hence the 'If he did anything wrong, it wasn't failing at chipping Jarrett Johnson, it was probably because he messed up a pass route or something.' My point is, people always point at that play as to why Brown sucks at pass pro, but it's just a misguided notion.

[jemack]

Hence the 'If he did anything wrong, it wasn't failing at chipping Jarrett Johnson, it was probably because he messed up a pass route or something.' My point is, people always point at that play as to why Brown sucks at pass pro, but it's just a misguided notion.

Point taken

[Jason_]

Yes, you're right.

I don't know what the called play was. I don't know if Brown missed a blocking assignment, or missed going upfield right and sit down as the safety outlet. or did the right thing as far as going right side to lead block for a called bootleg run to the right.

What I saw was #74 (Castonzo from my roster record) the LT getting blown up by the rush which disrupted the play.

That play was from a game before Castonzo was a Colt. At the time, Charlie Johnson was #74 and was playing left tackle.

[jemack]

I am not baiting you.

I have already stated that I have no idea what pains PM took to teach Brown anything.

Please do not call me names.

Oh come on..... Psychedelic Frog was a reference to your colorfull avitar..... Not at all an attack. why, I just love UNDECIDED FROGS! Just the other day, there was a frog in the garden. As it sat on a slate that boardered a small pond it dipped one leg into the water and just sat there. I called the neighbors over to see this. I told them. "Ya know... this reminds me of a good friend I have on the Colts.com. forum. An undecided frog.... Hail to thee, Undecided frog!

[FireJimCaldwell]

Shouldn't it be either the Running back's coach, or the Offensive coordinator...heck even the O-line or TE coach teaching Brown how to block and not the defensive coordinator?

You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day

[FireJimCaldwell]

That play was from a game before Castonzo was a Colt. At the time, Charlie Johnson was #74 and was playing left tackle.

That should be common knowledge.

[Fx Stryker]

That should be common knowledge.

Not if you didn't know the previous rosters.

[FireJimCaldwell]

Not if you didn't know the previous rosters.

You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day

Yes.

[Jay305]

Not if you didn't know the previous rosters.

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