Greg Cosell Of Nfl Films On Luck And Griffin

[GrizzColt]

Luck is NOT the most accurate out of the two... so many times you see Griffin throwing the ball so the receiver doesn't have to stop and wait for it, while other times you see Lucks ball float and the receiver has to turn back or slow down and get it.. which is why he isn't considered the most accurate.

Brett Favre's receivers (back when he was winning his MVP awards) talked often about how he injured their hands by throwing so hard. He never had the touch pass down but he could rifle it anywhere. On the other hand, Austin Collie, in an interview, said if you can't catch a Peyton Manning pass, then you can't catch anyone's pass. Manning, Montanna, and others excelled at throwing touch passes and it is obvious to most people that Luck excels at it also. I see no evidence that Griffin has this ability yet.

[UndecidedFrog]

Luck is NOT the most accurate out of the two... so many times you see Griffin throwing the ball so the receiver doesn't have to stop and wait for it, while other times you see Lucks ball float and the receiver has to turn back or slow down and get it.. which is why he isn't considered the most accurate.

I have to disagree. I think Luck is, by far, the more accurate compared to Griffin.

I think you are confusing easy to catch balls from Luck where the receiver has enough time to run under the pass (hence your perception of floaters). You will see Luck perform the extra step in mental processing to throw the touch ball to the open receiver without leading him toward a defender. Yes, Luck cares about if his passes are caught by his receivers. That is why he cares about their hands. He has learned through the years, that if he rifles the passes into his receivers' hands they tend to bounce off, and become INTs.

Luck has the ability to change the "volume" of his passes. From the video that I have seen of Griffin, I don't see that Griffin has this ability.

[doogansquest]

Brett Favre's receivers (back when he was winning his MVP awards) talked often about how he injured their hands by throwing so hard. He never had the touch pass down but he could rifle it anywhere. On the other hand, Austin Collie, in an interview, said if you can't catch a Peyton Manning pass, then you can't catch anyone's pass. Manning, Montanna, and others excelled at throwing touch passes and it is obvious to most people that Luck excels at it also. I see no evidence that Griffin has this ability yet.

I have to disagree. I think Luck is, by far, the more accurate compared to Griffin.

I think you are confusing easy to catch balls from Luck where the receiver has enough time to run under the pass (hence your perception of floaters). You will see Luck perform the extra step in mental processing to throw the touch ball to the open receiver without leading him toward a defender. Yes, Luck cares about if his passes are caught by his receivers. That is why he cares about their hands. He has learned through the years, that if he rifles the passes into his receivers' hands they tend to bounce off, and become INTs.

Luck has the ability to change the "volume" of his passes. From the video that I have seen of Griffin, I don't see that Griffin has this ability.

That's because neither of you two have watched anything more than YouTube highlights, I'm sure.

Real study of footage, at length, and you will see that the opposite of what you are saying is true. Luck never has a pass with zip on it, even when it's necessary. Griffin varies his speed, and also throws much better to the sidelines. Luck typically avoided those throws like the plague.

I understand your bias for the kid, but an objective, open-minded approach to the study of their film will reveal that Griffin has more release variation than does Luck, and he makes the decision more quickly. The latter point is paramount to the job requirements of an NFL QB.

[DarthMonk]

2nd post of visiting Redskin fan:

It's interesting reading the back and forth here. It is similar to what we have back in DC but in reverse. The majority there extolls the virtues of RGIII and is "brought back to Earth" by the "objective" ones or the Luck supporters while the reverse happens here.

Still wondering if this site has an option to create a poll.

Anybody?

DarthMonk

[pacolts56]

2nd post of visiting Redskin fan:

It's interesting reading the back and forth here. It is similar to what we have back in DC but in reverse. The majority there extolls the virtues of RGIII and is "brought back to Earth" by the "objective" ones or the Luck supporters while the reverse happens here.

Still wondering if this site has an option to create a poll.

Anybody?

DarthMonk

Welcome to the Colts Forum!

Hopefully they'll both be great NFL QBs and both teams will prosper. They both have a lot going for them and appear to be headed to the teams they fit the best.

We do have polls on this site and you should be able to create one.... unless something in the system requires you to have a certain amount of posts first.

[Malakai432]

Im sorry but from what I saw last year from Gabbert on multiple occasions has me believe he isnt an NFL qb. The biggest problem wasnt even his receivers it was him. As soon as the rush came he would turn into a headless chicken.

Yeah I believe he could be terrible but it's good to give the guy the benefit of the doubt for another year.

[Fr33UpFr33ney]

That's because neither of you two have watched anything more than YouTube highlights, I'm sure.

Real study of footage, at length, and you will see that the opposite of what you are saying is true. Luck never has a pass with zip on it, even when it's necessary. Griffin varies his speed, and also throws much better to the sidelines. Luck typically avoided those throws like the plague.

I understand your bias for the kid, but an objective, open-minded approach to the study of their film will reveal that Griffin has more release variation than does Luck, and he makes the decision more quickly. The latter point is paramount to the job requirements of an NFL QB.

Well i've watched about 4 games of his live and every single Youtube Game ANALYSIS of him, which is like every game he played this year.....he and he BY FAR the most accurate of the 2.

Griffin does have more zip on his passes, And the do get to their recievers faster..

Andrew sometimes does float a ball, and on 13 yard hitches, sometimes it take a while to get there.

But Andrew get the ball JOHNNY ON THE SPOT more than any QB i've watched in the last 4 or 5 years. Over the linebacker, under the saftey type accuracy.

Griffin, if you watch has a more confident long ball, but his short game is no where near accurate as Luck. Griffin throws a lot of WR screens and crosses. When somebody is open deep, Griffen can get the ball to them no problem.

Many of Lucks interceptions where passes popped of his terrible recievers chest and into the D when he is blanketed.

That's why people say he is too confident....because he will throw into double coverage and hit a dude right in the chest.

He only need to add zip to his passes which I think is Coachable.

Griffen on the other hand has missed open recievers over the middle many time, and threw a lot of wayward passes.

[GrizzColt]

That's because neither of you two have watched anything more than YouTube highlights, I'm sure.

Real study of footage, at length, and you will see that the opposite of what you are saying is true. Luck never has a pass with zip on it, even when it's necessary. Griffin varies his speed, and also throws much better to the sidelines. Luck typically avoided those throws like the plague.

I understand your bias for the kid, but an objective, open-minded approach to the study of their film will reveal that Griffin has more release variation than does Luck, and he makes the decision more quickly. The latter point is paramount to the job requirements of an NFL QB.

He makes the decision more quickly???? Lol. What you are probably seeing is him getting pressure and throwing the ball too soon.

[Jay305]

Luck looks soft to me well idk if thats how I would put it but I hate everytime he says "such is life".

[HGRekks]

Feel free to dissect.

[UndecidedFrog]

Luck looks soft to me well idk if thats how I would put it but I hate everytime he says "such is life".

I disagree. Luck is not being soft by recognizing what he controls and what he does not control. He has done everything to maximize his attractiveness to any team.

It is up to the Colts to make the right decision, and he recognizes that. Indeed, such is life.

[funktacious2]

And being chased around by a broom to simulate pressure. I personally was much more impressed by Lucks pro-day.

I'm not too considerate on the broom thing. I think it showed his mobility, but it looked pretty scripted (which is fine). I remember one point where he did a spin move to avoid the broom and it was clearly scripted I chuckled, but again, he shows he can move well in the pocket and adjust to make throws. And I give him points for trying something a little different.

[Malakai432]

I'm not too considerate on the broom thing. I think it showed his mobility, but it looked pretty scripted (which is fine). I remember one point where he did a spin move to avoid the broom and it was clearly scripted I chuckled, but again, he shows he can move well in the pocket and adjust to make throws. And I give him points for trying something a little different.

FEAR THE BROOM!!!!!!!!!!!

[Peytonattracts]

RGIII expects to throw the long bombs to win, this isn't going to work in the nfl. Plus, he doesn't even know how to run a pro offense, and will be a running back via Vince young style. RGIII is going to get hurt ala Michael Vick style. RGIII is not a franchise QB, the only people that like him are the same people who are naive and believe the hype. I am going to laugh so hard the day it finally comes to rest that RGIII was the bust of the century. I will never root for RGIII, even if the colts select him. I already know the answer, its just funny that its so hard for all you RGIII Lovers to not see it.