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I just wanted to do at least one Mock before the draft and it is before the combine as well but I am bored so here it is.  Feel free to pick it apart as you see fit.  I like to see everyone's input anyways.

 

Cuts:

DQ

Art

Langford

 

Cap = roughly $72mil

 

Resign:

Turbin - 1yr/$1mil  -  keep for depth and change of pace.

Todman - 1yr/$850k  -  Keep for ST and depth.

Ayers - 1yr/$2.5mil  -  Depth player who is low risk to keep.

Adams - 1yr/$2.5  - Depth again plus veteran leader for young guys and locker room

 

Extension:

Mewhort - 4yr/$26mil

 

FA Signings:

Trumaine Johnson CB - 5yr/$63mil - this puts him comparable with Jenkins who got signed last year.  He will get top tier money and he fits the new GM IMO since he is 6'2''.

Zach Brown ILB - 4yr/$24.8mil - puts him at $6.2 per year which is pretty good f or him.  He is a solid sideline-to-sideline type player.  Again IMO a fit for new GM Ballard.

Dontari Poe DT/NT - 4yr/$52mil - $13mil per year and he is the carry over from KC plus can be dominate in the trenches, which is what Ballard wants.

 

I know this seems like a lot but after cuts this is not that hard of a hit.

 

Cap Going into Draft = roughly $26.5mil

 

Draft: Assuming we win coin flip and get 14

 

Round 1: Takkarist McKinley OLB - solid Edge player who will help us immediately IMO.  I think after the combine he will show his value even more moving him into our spot.  He seems to be the ideal guy with speed and bend to help get to the QB.

 

Round 2: Dan Feeney G - He might be gone since the small sample size for the position is there but I would like him over someone like Cam Robinson with the Tackle spot.  He is someone who can start for us day 1 at RG.  He would allow Clark and Haeg to battle for RT.  

 

Round 3: Cameron Sutton CB - Long CB that can become a solid #2 guy.  Have Johnson become the #1 in 2018 and let Vontae go in FA.

 

Round 4: Kareem Hunt RB - I like him as a later round guy who can become a solid pro for us.  He would be able to come in and learn/split time with Gore.  Of the later round RB's in this draft I see him having the most promise to me.  Hopefully he can be our David Johnson.

 

Round 4 (comp): Carroll Phillips/Devonte Fields OLB - Both might be here as Fields has dropped on some boards.  I would like either player here.

 

Round 5: Eddie Vanderdoes DT - Even though he had the injury I see him being able to make an impact for us year 1.  He is power and can be a run stopper as well.  Pair him with Poe and Anderson, plus have Ridgeway, McGill, and Parry rotating and I think we get stronger for sure.

 

Round 6: BPA

 

Let me know what everyone thinks.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Boiler_Colt said:

Needs more pass rush, but I like the rest. In this scenario we'd be looking for a currently injured rookie (McKinnley) to be pretty much our only pass rusher. That's a big gamble.

Yeah that's what I was thinking. I know that it's impossible to fix every whole in one off season, and this mock does a solid job with completing the offense and getting some talent on defense, but I still think they need to address pass rush first and foremost, and if the Colts aren't gonna resign Walden they better be ready to spend some money on a decent FA. Don't want the pass rush to be full of rookies.

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I like McKinley a lot. But we need to sign one of Perry or Ingram in free agency. We'll have 60 million in cap room. We could afford Perry along with Poe, Brown, and Johnson. But I think I'd rather go for Hankins or Williams if we're going for a NT. Both are top very good players, and both are kinda underrated. both will also probably get slightly less money than Poe too, but at the same time you could argue Brandon Williams or Jonathan Hankins have been just as good/better than Poe the last year or so IMO.

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We'll have 60 million after cuts, etc. Not 50.
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18 minutes ago, Boiler_Colt said:

Needs more pass rush, but I like the rest. In this scenario we'd be looking for a currently injured rookie (McKinnley) to be pretty much our only pass rusher. That's a big gamble.

I understand concern with his shoulder injury but I would hope he recovers well.  It is pretty early for everything.  I do understand everyone would want more pass rush but I do not see Ballard going after 3 or 4 edge guys.  I would say resign Walden but I doubt we pay him 8 or more per year.

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1 minute ago, COLTS449 said:

I like McKinley a lot. But we need to sign one of Perry or Ingram in free agency. We'll have 50 million in cap room. We could afford Perry along with Poe, Brown, and Johnson. But I think I'd rather go for Hankins or Williams if we're going for a NT. Both are top very good players, and both are kinda underrated. both will also probably get slightly less money than Poe too, but at the same time you could argue Brandon Williams or Jonathan Hankins have been just as good/better than Poe the last year or so IMO.

I like Williams as well but I tried to approach this with Ballard in mind.  He was a KC guy so I went with Poe.  Also, with other teams who have far more money needing Edge guys as well I doubt we go after Ingram or Perry.  It would be nice to have them but money talks and we have little compared to others.

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Just now, DaColts85 said:

I like Williams as well but I tried to approach this with Ballard in mind.  He was a KC guy so I went with Poe.  Also, with other teams who have far more money needing Edge guys as well I doubt we go after Ingram or Perry.  It would be nice to have them but money talks and we have little compared to others.

 

With 60 million in cap room we can get one of Perry or Ingram easily. Plus 2-3 other good players. If we want a good team next year we have to go all in for EDGE rushers.

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Just now, COLTS449 said:

We have to go after 3-4 EDGE guys. We need to sign one and draft 2-3.

I drafted 2 and I would hope we get someone in FA.  The problem is you have 2 decent guys and then mid-level after that.  The top guys will go where the money is.  I doubt a GM who wants to build through the draft is willing to spend that much on a FA who could be fools gold.  He drafts 2 or 3 this year and then next year approaches the draft with the same thing.  Get your D built with youth and not in one year.

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34 minutes ago, DaColts85 said:

I just wanted to do at least one Mock before the draft and it is before the combine as well but I am bored so here it is.  Feel free to pick it apart as you see fit.  I like to see everyone's input anyways.

 

Cuts:

DQ

Art

Langford

 

Cap = roughly $72mil

 

Resign:

Turbin - 1yr/$1mil  -  keep for depth and change of pace.

Todman - 1yr/$850k  -  Keep for ST and depth.

Ayers - 1yr/$2.5mil  -  Depth player who is low risk to keep.

Adams - 1yr/$2.5  - Depth again plus veteran leader for young guys and locker room

 

Extension:

Mewhort - 4yr/$26mil

 

FA Signings:

Trumaine Johnson CB - 5yr/$63mil - this puts him comparable with Jenkins who got signed last year.  He will get top tier money and he fits the new GM IMO since he is 6'2''.

Zach Brown ILB - 4yr/$24.8mil - puts him at $6.2 per year which is pretty good f or him.  He is a solid sideline-to-sideline type player.  Again IMO a fit for new GM Ballard.

Dontari Poe DT/NT - 4yr/$52mil - $13mil per year and he is the carry over from KC plus can be dominate in the trenches, which is what Ballard wants.

 

I know this seems like a lot but after cuts this is not that hard of a hit.

 

Cap Going into Draft = roughly $26.5mil

 

Draft: Assuming we win coin flip and get 14

 

Round 1: Takkarist McKinley OLB - solid Edge player who will help us immediately IMO.  I think after the combine he will show his value even more moving him into our spot.  He seems to be the ideal guy with speed and bend to help get to the QB.

 

Round 2: Dan Feeney G - He might be gone since the small sample size for the position is there but I would like him over someone like Cam Robinson with the Tackle spot.  He is someone who can start for us day 1 at RG.  He would allow Clark and Haeg to battle for RT.  

 

Round 3: Cameron Sutton CB - Long CB that can become a solid #2 guy.  Have Johnson become the #1 in 2018 and let Vontae go in FA.

 

Round 4: Kareem Hunt RB - I like him as a later round guy who can become a solid pro for us.  He would be able to come in and learn/split time with Gore.  Of the later round RB's in this draft I see him having the most promise to me.  Hopefully he can be our David Johnson.

 

Round 4 (comp): Carroll Phillips/Devonte Fields OLB - Both might be here as Fields has dropped on some boards.  I would like either player here.

 

Round 5: Eddie Vanderdoes DT - Even though he had the injury I see him being able to make an impact for us year 1.  He is power and can be a run stopper as well.  Pair him with Poe and Anderson, plus have Ridgeway, McGill, and Parry rotating and I think we get stronger for sure.

 

Round 6: BPA

 

Let me know what everyone thinks.

 

 

I think Doyle comes back too.

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Just now, COLTS449 said:

 

With 60 million in cap room we can get one of Perry or Ingram easily. Plus 2-3 other good players. If we want a good team next year we have to go all in for EDGE rushers.

We can have a good team next year but you do not spend every dime and draft pick on one spot.  That is not efficient in my eyes anyways.  Over two years you can accomplish much more.  In 2018 you free up money from Vontae.  

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Imagine Nick Perry, Takk McKinley, Erik Walden, Ryan Anderson (2nd), and Devontae Fields (4th) coming off the EDGE while Vontae and Tru Johnson was shutting down WR's downfield. Then it'll be on. And there's several 2nd-3rd round EDGE prospects l like, and who I fell could come in and put up 6-8 sacks in their rookie year Ryan Anderson being one. He should be there in the 2nd. I'd love to see Lawson fall, but we'd have to trade up. But I think McKinley comes in and starts day 1. I like Tim Williams. I love the explosive as hell speed rushers, so I like McKinley A LOT too. Takk has great burst and can beat you with pure Speed and athleticism. Dude's gonna be a double digit sack machine. Plus he seems to be a tough, high motor kid. We need that. That's 3 big EDGE prospects. Fields has a lot of potential, but would probably be there in the 4th, and we also have 2 4's so.... But yeah. We need to go all in for OLB's. It wouldn't hurt anything to draft 3. It would just really improve our team LOL.

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1 minute ago, COLTS449 said:

Imagine Nick Perry, Takk McKinley, Erik Walden, and a Ryan Anderson coming off the EDGE while Vontae and Tru Johnson was shutting down WR's downfield. Then it'll be on. And there's several 2nd-3rd round EDGE prospects l like, and who I fell could come in and put up 6-8 sacks in their rookie year Ryan Anderson being one. He should be there in the 2nd. I'd love to see Lawson fall, but we'd have to trade up. But I think McKinley comes in and starts day 1. I like Tim Williams. I love the explosive as hell speed rushers, so I like McKinley A LOT too. Takk has great burst and can beat you with pure Speed and athleticism. Dude's gonna be a double digit sack machine.

I would love that combo for sure.  I personally have liked what Walden has done for us but I would not pay him what he will more than likely get.  I would love to switch my second and grab a Ryan Anderson or Tim Williams if they are there but again I went into this with Ballard in mind.  He wants both lines to improve and LB's as well.  So the first draft he has I fell like he hits a few spots rather than just focusing on one IMO.

 

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I don't think we have to sign Mewhort this year.  I don't see the need to lock him up now.  I would wait the year especially since he was injured a couple of times this year.   With all the good corners in the draft I would hold off on Johnson and get one in the second.  I would go hard after Ingram or Perry in place of Johnson.  If we lose out I would try for Zeitler.  I would keep Langford.  I definitely see us acquiring a veteran NT in FA or trade. If we get Perry or Ingram I can see Ballard taking one of the two RB's if they are still there with the 1st.  If not then a defensive player and I like the DE from Stanford. 

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17 minutes ago, DaColts85 said:

I would love that combo for sure.  I personally have liked what Walden has done for us but I would not pay him what he will more than likely get.  I would love to switch my second and grab a Ryan Anderson or Tim Williams if they are there but again I went into this with Ballard in mind.  He wants both lines to improve and LB's as well.  So the first draft he has I fell like he hits a few spots rather than just focusing on one IMO.

 

 

Tim Williams will in all likelihood be a 1st rounder. Unless he does something else. I was just saying I also like him as our 1st rounder. He or Takk is 2 of my favorites. And I wouldn't pay Walden 7-8 million a year either. I'd rather sign a vet like Ware or Peppers instead. They'll get less money and years than Walden. I swear I could see Walden getting like 4/36. Peppers is like 36, and Ware's getting up there, but we should be able to sign Ware for like 2/14. Let him be a 3rd down specialist you know. Split a few snaps, keep him healthy and he could be a really valuable piece if we're in the playoff hunt. So say Perry, Takk, Ware, Anderson, and Fields. That's more than solid if Takk and Anderson do what I think they'll do when they get to the league.

 

Actually the more I think about it the more I'd be comfortable with Nick Perry and 3 rookies. Obviously early rounders. but Perry, Takk, Anderson, and Fields would be a beast OLB corps. Fields is probably going to go in the 4th or 5th then come in and ball out. Kid's got some talent. No sense in wasting Money on Walden or Ware the more I think about it.

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22 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

Actually the more I think about it the more I'd be comfortable with Nick Perry and 3 rookies. Obviously early rounders. but Perry, Takk, Anderson, and Fields would be a beast OLB corps. Fields is probably going to go in the 4th or 5th then come in and ball out. Kid's got some talent. No sense in wasting Money on Walden or Ware the more I think about it.

I agree completely with this.  If it were up to me I would have no issues riding with this.  I do believe that Perry will command less money in FA than Ingram but some teams with money will quote high.

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4 hours ago, COLTS449 said:

 

Tim Williams will in all likelihood be a 1st rounder. Unless he does something else. I was just saying I also like him as our 1st rounder. He or Takk is 2 of my favorites. And I wouldn't pay Walden 7-8 million a year either. I'd rather sign a vet like Ware or Peppers instead. They'll get less money and years than Walden. I swear I could see Walden getting like 4/36. Peppers is like 36, and Ware's getting up there, but we should be able to sign Ware for like 2/14. Let him be a 3rd down specialist you know. Split a few snaps, keep him healthy and he could be a really valuable piece if we're in the playoff hunt. So say Perry, Takk, Ware, Anderson, and Fields. That's more than solid if Takk and Anderson do what I think they'll do when they get to the league.

 

Actually the more I think about it the more I'd be comfortable with Nick Perry and 3 rookies. Obviously early rounders. but Perry, Takk, Anderson, and Fields would be a beast OLB corps. Fields is probably going to go in the 4th or 5th then come in and ball out. Kid's got some talent. No sense in wasting Money on Walden or Ware the more I think about it.

 

I don't think there is much of a chance of Ballard signing older players like Peppers, Ware, etc... I think from listening to him it sounds more like he would sign younger guys who might not have tapped their potential... Peppers and Ware sounds more like a Grigson move. 

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2 hours ago, esmort said:

 

I don't think there is much of a chance of Ballard signing older players like Peppers, Ware, etc... I think from listening to him it sounds more like he would sign younger guys who might not have tapped their potential... Peppers and Ware sounds more like a Grigson move. 

 

Yeah I agree. I was thinking at first if we was going to bring back Walden why not just sign Ware. But like I said,  pick up Perry/Ingram then draft some EDGE rushers early and we'll be solid. Maybe bring in a real cheap vet like Chris Long for like 1 year, 3-4 million or so.

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Wonder what dummy is gonna pay Lorenzo Alexander LOL. Dude was an absolute beast this year, but he's what? like 32 or something? He had like 13 sacks and a crap ton of QB hits and hurries this year while doing next to nothing his first how ever many years in the league. LOL it'd be like Cassius Vaughan coming out next year and being one of the top CB's in the NFL LOL,

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I wouldn't mind seeing us bring in one of Armonty Bryant or Alex Okafor for dirt cheap. Both have proven they can put pressure on the QB. They've both had some issues, but one could end up being one of those brilliant, under the radar, cheap signings. Okafor had like 8 sacks one year and I think 4-5 this year, but neither will command hardly anything. I've always thought Bryant, since he came into the league could come out and put up 12 plus sacks one year. He's had like 3-4-5 a couple years in just a handful of games. I think we should look at potential steals like him. As long as he can stay on the field bet on it. He might be a major steal this offseason.

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Haven't got the time for a play by play but some quick thoughts.

 

. Why are we cutting Langford? He's a solid piece. We cant afford to cut one of the few remaining dependably decent defensive players we already have.

. No extension for Moncreif?

. You haven't resigned Walden, drafted a rush LB and as far as I can see are relying on a late 4th rounder panning out as a starter at SAM?

. You're low-balling Zach Brown and Poe. Brown probably gets about $8mil per, maybe slightly over. Poe is going to be one of the big ticket guys this year. Someone like SF could throw a lot of cash at him. You've got the left over cash to bring those contracts up though. I'd want to use that left over cash to either bring in another FA or 2, or resign Walden and extend Creif.

. Draft wise - McKinley, sweet. Feeney, sweet. Sutton, sweet if he's there. Don't see the same ceiling with Hunt, career change of pace guy to me. Fields has a domestic violence red flag in the past which led to him being kicked out of TCU, that's a big fat nope from me. Vanderhoes is not the same player he was a few years ago. Tore his ACL and never bounced back. True shame. I'd pass if I'm honest. I'd love the Idaho Punter in the 6th. Would take him over a cut fodder type guy.

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On 2/2/2017 at 8:46 PM, COLTS449 said:

Wonder what dummy is gonna pay Lorenzo Alexander LOL. Dude was an absolute beast this year, but he's what? like 32 or something? He had like 13 sacks and a crap ton of QB hits and hurries this year while doing next to nothing his first how ever many years in the league. LOL it'd be like Cassius Vaughan coming out next year and being one of the top CB's in the NFL LOL,

If grigson was still here he'd be on a flight to Indy as we speek. But if we re sign Erik Walden how much better are we?

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We definitely should not cut Langford especially if we are not replacing him with anybody.

 

Do you expect to have two rookie starters at OLB or have Ayers start? Either way it is not a good idea and pass rush takes precedent over 2nd corner, ILB, and DT.

 

If Jenkins got the deal last year that you want to give Johnson than he will probably get less wherever he goes. He had a pretty bad year this year.

 

After drafting 4 offensive linemen last year I am very hesitant on drafting another one unless he is a sure fire starter. Fenney may fit that bill but I just think we have way too many other glaring holes to go that route. I'd try for a guard in FA though. Get a vet in to start and let Haeg and Good develop and be backups.

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7 minutes ago, Tmoney said:

If grigson was still here he'd be on a flight to Indy as we speek. But if we re sign Erik Walden how much better are we?

 

I wouldn't re-sign Walden. We need to sign one of Ingram or Perry first up. Then draft 2 EDGE rushers in the first 3 rounds. Or we could sign one of Perry/Ingram, plus Demarcus Ware on a 2 year 16 million dollar deal, then still draft 2 EDGE rushers in the top 3 rounds. But Honestly I'd much rather have Ware than Walden.....IF Ware is healthy. If we signed Perry, then drafted Williams, Takk, or Harris in the 1st, then maybe Lawson in the 2nd or 3rd we'd be loaded with EDGE rushers all of a suddon. We could keep Ware healthy by limiting him to a backup/rotational roll, pass rush/3rd down specialist and let him split time with the rookies. But IMO. I think we should just let Walden go sign Perry or Ingram and then again, draft 2 EDGE guys in the top 3 rounds, and like I said in another post. Maybe bring in a talented, yet troubled guy like Armonty Bryant for next to nothing, and we may get a monster reward if he can stay on the field.

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40 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

 

I wouldn't re-sign Walden. We need to sign one of Ingram or Perry first up. Then draft 2 EDGE rushers in the first 3 rounds. Or we could sign one of Perry/Ingram, plus Demarcus Ware on a 2 year 16 million dollar deal, then still draft 2 EDGE rushers in the top 3 rounds. But Honestly I'd much rather have Ware than Walden.....IF Ware is healthy. If we signed Perry, then drafted Williams, Takk, or Harris in the 1st, then maybe Lawson in the 2nd or 3rd we'd be loaded with EDGE rushers all of a suddon. We could keep Ware healthy by limiting him to a backup/rotational roll, pass rush/3rd down specialist and let him split time with the rookies. But IMO. I think we should just let Walden go sign Perry or Ingram and then again, draft 2 EDGE guys in the top 3 rounds, and like I said in another post. Maybe bring in a talented, yet troubled guy like Armonty Bryant for next to nothing, and we may get a monster reward if he can stay on the field.

If we can sign an edge that's 100% ideal!! If we can't get an edge in free agency then yes draft two new edges, let Erik Walden try to find a team that'll even have him. If we sign a big time edge tho then no need to double dip in draft 1 and 1 would be so perfect. I'm trying to add a stud corner, maybe 2 of those. Idk about the old guys, D-ware would be a good situational pass rush, but for 8 mil/yr we could get an impact player like Zach brown. Not too familiar with Bryant I'll look him up, another troubled guy who may be dirt cheap as well is Dion Jordan from Miami. He'd have to prove he's all about ball but he's a freak athletically

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39 minutes ago, Superman said:

Yeesh, that's a lot of money you're throwing around there.

 

I don't see how KC let's Poe walk, by the way.

I like the NT in this years draft tbh, also other guys in FA. Eric berry thoooooo!!! Unless he has hard feeling with Ballard too

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6 minutes ago, Tmoney said:

If we can sign an edge that's 100% ideal!! If we can't get an edge in free agency then yes draft two new edges, let Erik Walden try to find a team that'll even have him. If we sign a big time edge tho then no need to double dip in draft 1 and 1 would be so perfect. I'm trying to add a stud corner, maybe 2 of those. Idk about the old guys, D-ware would be a good situational pass rush, but for 8 mil/yr we could get an impact player like Zach brown. Not too familiar with Bryant I'll look him up, another troubled guy who may be dirt cheap as well is Dion Jordan from Miami. He'd have to prove he's all about ball but he's a freak athletically

 

Armonty Bryant would be a much better signing than Jordan. I'd sign Jordan for vet minimum, but look at Armonty Bryant and Alex Okafor. Those 2 guys could be steals. Bryant had 5.5 sacks last year in a handful of games and 3 this year in just 5 games, and he done all this as a rotational guy. If he could stay on the field he could put up 10 sacks or so in 16 games IMO. Okafor had like 8 or 9 one year in Arizona. Also this isn't on topic really, but I want us to find those gems who were drafted early, didn't produce, and goes to a new team and tears it up. Jamar Taylor, David Amerson, Terrence West, etc. But yeah I wouldn't mind taking a look at Mingo or Jordan as both could be had for a little over vet minimum. Both were considered superstar talents. Maybe we could get lucky. There's a lot of late bloomers all around the league. I mean all around the league. It takes some guys 3-4-5 years to completely reach their potential. Nick Perry is an excellent example. He started looking better the last couple years, and in his 5th year truly put it all together and finally started to tap into his potential. I think he'll be a pro bowl caliber player on this coming contract personally.

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9 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

 

Armonty Bryant would be a much better signing than Jordan. I'd sign Jordan for vet minimum, but look at Armonty Bryant and Alex Okafor. Those 2 guys could be steals. Bryant had 5.5 sacks last year in a handful of games and 3 this year in just 5 games, and he done all this as a rotational guy. If he could stay on the field he could put up 10 sacks or so in 16 games IMO. Okafor had like 8 or 9 one year in Arizona. Also this isn't on topic really, but I want us to find those gems who were drafted early, didn't produce, and goes to a new team and tears it up. Jamar Taylor, David Amerson, Terrence West, etc. But yeah I wouldn't mind taking a look at Mingo or Jordan as both could be had for a little over vet minimum. Both were considered superstar talents. Maybe we could get lucky. There's a lot of late bloomers all around the league. I mean all around the league. It takes some guys 3-4-5 years to completely reach their potential. Nick Perry is an excellent example. He started looking better the last couple years, and in his 5th year truly put it all together and finally started to tap into his potential. I think he'll be a pro bowl caliber player on this coming contract personally.

I feel it man, those guys dont always pan out but I'd love to take a risk on one. We are desperate for talent. If we could land a guy like Nick Perry our D could turn around and sooner then later. 

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10 minutes ago, Tmoney said:

I feel it man, those guys dont always pan out but I'd love to take a risk on one. We are desperate for talent. If we could land a guy like Nick Perry our D could turn around and sooner then later. 

 

We have to hit big in the draft too man. Especially with our first 3 picks, and we need to find a gem in the middle rounds. We need some guys who come in and ball out week 1 on. If we do that after nailing free agency we'll be solid.

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40 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

 

We have to hit big in the draft too man. Especially with our first 3 picks, and we need to find a gem in the middle rounds. We need some guys who come in and ball out week 1 on. If we do that after nailing free agency we'll be solid.

And hopefully all 3 on D. That middle round gem hopefully being a RB. With Chris Ballard as our GM I think our D will be improved dramatically

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