Harbaugh, "Flacco is the best Qb in football."

[southwest1]

If you're asking me which team is gonna be eliminated most swiftly this weekend, it is Dallas. The Keyser Söze team that will still be standing in the AFC is NE in the NFC is probably in all honesty Seattle. 

 

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." --Kevin Spacey 1 of my favorite actors. Whose the devil in this scenario? NE, no not out of hatred but jealousy over this: 

 

The beauty of this final result is this: It, a 4th Championship, obliterates SpyGate completely & quite frankly, the scandal needs to die now permanently. If NE does this in February, it will. 

[Superman]

As far as the J.H. remark , I don't know why he would make that kind of statement , especially when they have to do a new contract before 2016. He has hits of 28 and 31 mill in 2016  and 17

 

You think Joe will rework after only two years? He was pretty adamant about sticking it to the Ravens for not offering him more prior to the 2012 season.

 

I'm thinking they will spread out 20-22 million over extra years.

 

They have to do something before 2016. Like dw says, his cap hits are untenable at that point. Thankfully for the Ravens, Flacco hasn't regressed since he signed that deal. He hasn't really gotten better, either (still no 4,000 yard seasons in 7 years, and he had 22 picks in 2013, but he's pretty much the same guy as always), but he showed he has another level in the 2012 playoffs. 

 

The problem would be if he was terrible these past two years. Or if he's terrible in 2015. Then they'd probably have to eat a big cap penalty and cut him, rather than pay him $20m/year in base salary. I'm actually surprised that they paid him the $15m bonus before 2014, rather than restructuring.

 

They have another bonus due before 2015, just $7m this time. This might be a good time to rework his deal, add a few extra years, spread out some of that bonus and those big salaries from 2016-18, and even that thing out. 

 

They have other contract issues, also, and right now are committed to $138m in 2015 (against a cap that's projected to be $140m). They'll probably kiss Lardarius Webb goodbye, and save $8m there. They have Ngata at $16m, and he's great, but I can't see them carrying him at that amount. They guaranteed Monroe's 2015 salary, so he's not going anywhere. They can extend Yanda and push some of his money out. They have a lot of work to do...

[southwest1]

It's hard to pick against NE. I never make predictions generally about my own team

because I don't want to jinx them. I'm looking forward to the challenge.

I understand completely TOC. I pretty much adopt the same policy approach myself. It's gonna be a dogfight with superb matchups: Suggs vs Brady, Smith Sr. Vs Revis Island.

 

Old school football is a beautiful thing. Sweat, blood, & overtime...I can see it now. A legendary grudge match in the making. I will be watching every down of this game. Book it. 

[The Old Crow]

They have to do something before 2016. Like dw says, his cap hits are untenable at that point. Thankfully for the Ravens, Flacco hasn't regressed since he signed that deal. He hasn't really gotten better, either (still no 4,000 yard seasons in 7 years, and he had 22 picks in 2013, but he's pretty much the same guy as always), but he showed he has another level in the 2012 playoffs.

The problem would be if he was terrible these past two years. Or if he's terrible in 2015. Then they'd probably have to eat a big cap penalty and cut him, rather than pay him $20m/year in base salary. I'm actually surprised that they paid him the $15m bonus before 2014, rather than restructuring.

They have another bonus due before 2015, just $7m this time. This might be a good time to rework his deal, add a few extra years, spread out some of that bonus and those big salaries from 2016-18, and even that thing out.

They have other contract issues, also, and right now are committed to $138m in 2015 (against a cap that's projected to be $140m). They'll probably kiss Lardarius Webb goodbye, and save $8m there. They have Ngata at $16m, and he's great, but I can't see them carrying him at that amount. They guaranteed Monroe's 2015 salary, so he's not going anywhere. They can extend Yanda and push some of his money out. They have a lot of work to do...

Ngata will have to restructure like Suggs, or he is gone . Jernigan will take his place. Joe will definitely restructure. The Ravens pay their top players long term.

[JPPT1974]

Well Flacco has come up clutch a lot of times, hence 2013 Super Bowl!

[dw49]

They have to do something before 2016. Like dw says, his cap hits are untenable at that point. Thankfully for the Ravens, Flacco hasn't regressed since he signed that deal. He hasn't really gotten better, either (still no 4,000 yard seasons in 7 years, and he had 22 picks in 2013, but he's pretty much the same guy as always), but he showed he has another level in the 2012 playoffs. 

 

The problem would be if he was terrible these past two years. Or if he's terrible in 2015. Then they'd probably have to eat a big cap penalty and cut him, rather than pay him $20m/year in base salary. I'm actually surprised that they paid him the $15m bonus before 2014, rather than restructuring.

 

They have another bonus due before 2015, just $7m this time. This might be a good time to rework his deal, add a few extra years, spread out some of that bonus and those big salaries from 2016-18, and even that thing out. 

 

They have other contract issues, also, and right now are committed to $138m in 2015 (against a cap that's projected to be $140m). They'll probably kiss Lardarius Webb goodbye, and save $8m there. They have Ngata at $16m, and he's great, but I can't see them carrying him at that amount. They guaranteed Monroe's 2015 salary, so he's not going anywhere. They can extend Yanda and push some of his money out. They have a lot of work to do...

 

 

Yes , they have work to do for sure. I'm not an expert but I thought that Flacco contract was horrific both in cost and how it was structured. I've never seen one that in just the 4th year the deal goes total "bonkers." If he plays well through 2015 , the Ravens will once again be at his mercy. Funny how so many better (IMO) QB's are signed to very workable deals.

 

Anyway , they'll start by extending Ngata , who as you say is a 16M hit and is in his last year. I don't think there's anyway they let him walk.. still only 30 ....

[Superman]

Ngata will have to restructure like Suggs, or he is gone . Jernigan will take his place. Joe will definitely restructure. The Ravens pay their top players long term.

 

Ngata is just one bite of the apple. And Flacco's situation is complicated on multiple levels, in each of the next two offseasons. They will absolutely figure it out, but it's probably going to cost them a key player or two over the next two seasons. Nothing new, as they lose guys to free agency every year, but it's tough.

 

On a slightly related note: How do they keep de Costa out of the job market every offseason? Ozzie says every year he's not thinking of retirement any time soon, and de Costa declines interview opportunities every year. Are they giving him a raise every year? Do they have his family held ransom? He'd get a job in a hot second if he wanted...

[Superman]

Yes , they have work to do for sure. I'm not an expert but I thought that Flacco contract was horrific both in cost and how it was structured. I've never seen one that in just the 4th year the deal goes total "bonkers." If he plays well through 2015 , the Ravens will once again be at his mercy. Funny how so many better (IMO) QB's are signed to very workable deals.

 

Anyway , they'll start by extending Ngata , who as you say is a 16M hit and is in his last year. I don't think there's anyway they let him walk.. still only 30 ....

 

Yup, and with the option bonuses in 2014 and 2015, the dead money (unamortized bonus money) is making any potential cap penalties in the event of a release balloon way out of control. If they don't make any changes, but wanted to release him before 2016, his cap penalty would be $25.8m. It's crazy. I've always hated the structure of that contract, not just because of the sharp jump in salaries, but mostly because of the option bonuses. They make it impossible to restructure his contract without tacking on extra years, which will have their own dead money. 

[Coltsince4]

I hope he is just for 1 game. Go Ravens!!

[dw49]

Yup, and with the option bonuses in 2014 and 2015, the dead money (unamortized bonus money) is making any potential cap penalties in the event of a release balloon way out of control. If they don't make any changes, but wanted to release him before 2016, his cap penalty would be $25.8m. It's crazy. I've always hated the structure of that contract, not just because of the sharp jump in salaries, but mostly because of the option bonuses. They make it impossible to restructure his contract without tacking on extra years, which will have their own dead money. 

 

 

I'm looking at the Brees contract and that one has hit the wall also. He's 36 years old in a week. Due 18.4 base in 2015 with 7.4 pro rated . Cap hit of 26.4 mill. Cap hit is 14.8 to just cut him. 2016 is final year and has a hit of 27.4.

 

What do you do with that pile of poop ? You don't have a good QB in the wings , so If you just cut him , you punt 2015 season. I think I would just eat the garbage I created and pay him the 18+ mill $ base. Draft a QB and then cut him in 2016 and eat the 7.4 dead money. Isn't that better than extending him for huge money into his 37-39 years ? I think he'll have to make some serious concessions to stay a Saint past 2015. Then you look at A Rodgers deal and see he's signed through 2019 for cap hits 18-21 mill per year.

[Superman]

I'm looking at the Brees contract and that one has hit the wall also. He's 36 years old in a week. Due 18.4 base in 2015 with 7.4 pro rated . Cap hit of 26.4 mill. Cap hit is 14.8 to just cut him. 2016 is final year and has a hit of 27.4.

 

What do you do with that pile of poop ? You don't have a good QB in the wings , so If you just cut him , you punt 2015 season. I think I would just eat the garbage I created and pay him the 18+ mill $ base. Draft a QB and then cut him in 2016 and eat the 7.4 dead money. Isn't that better than extending him for huge money into his 37-39 years ? I think he'll have to make some serious concessions to stay a Saint past 2015. Then you look at A Rodgers deal and see he's signed through 2019 for cap hits 18-21 mill per year.

 

Brees isn't going anywhere, though. He'll be 36, but we know that he can still play at a high level. They can extend him into 2017 and beyond with prorated bonus if they want. There's lots of ways to do that, because they aren't piling bonus on top of bonus for the next four years. You can bonus him up, give him some guarantees, and still bring down his cap hits for the rest of his career. I expect that they'll do just that, and then things get easier to navigate past 2016.

[The Old Crow]

Ngata is just one bite of the apple. And Flacco's situation is complicated on multiple levels, in each of the next two offseasons. They will absolutely figure it out, but it's probably going to cost them a key player or two over the next two seasons. Nothing new, as they lose guys to free agency every year, but it's tough.

On a slightly related note: How do they keep de Costa out of the job market every offseason? Ozzie says every year he's not thinking of retirement any time soon, and de Costa declines interview opportunities every year. Are they giving him a raise every year? Do they have his family held ransom? He'd get a job in a hot second if he wanted...

Bisciotti pays DeCosta a ton of money, and he is the known heir apparent to Ozzie. He lives in, and likes the Baltimore area, so he's very content.

I think Joe wanted a great payday his first time, and he deservedly got it. Knowing that Joe is team oriented and unpretentious , I have to believe he will work things out with the Ravens to put the best team around him

[Superman]

Bisciotti pays DeCosta a ton of money, and he is the known heir apparent to Ozzie. He lives in, and likes the Baltimore area, so he's very content.

I think Joe wanted a great payday his first time, and he deservedly got it. Knowing that Joe is team oriented and unpretentious , I have to believe he will work things out with the Ravens to put the best team around him

 

How long can you be the heir apparent, though? That's been his deal for four years now, and Ozzie doesn't appear to be anywhere near close to getting out of the way. Maybe there's more of a transition going on now than I'm aware of, but still... The Bears have twice now tried to get him. I know Irsay wanted to talk to him. If he's happy and content, then great. But his phone must ring off the hook every January. Eventually, that's got to start becoming a factor.

 

As for Flacco, if he agrees to a reduced yearly average, it makes things that much easier for the Ravens. But he still has a lot of prorated bonus to account for over the next 4 years, on top of the salaries. 

[The Old Crow]

How long can you be the heir apparent, though? That's been his deal for four years now, and Ozzie doesn't appear to be anywhere near close to getting out of the way. Maybe there's more of a transition going on now than I'm aware of, but still... The Bears have twice now tried to get him. I know Irsay wanted to talk to him. If he's happy and content, then great. But his phone must ring off the hook every January. Eventually, that's got to start becoming a factor.

As for Flacco, if he agrees to a reduced yearly average, it makes things that much easier for the Ravens. But he still has a lot of prorated bonus to account for over the next 4 years, on top of the salaries.

I think DeCosta is raising his family here and doesn't want to disrupt them. Also, Bisciotti apparently pays him top GM money as second in command to Ozzie . I think he enjoys his job and the area he lives in.

One thing about the Ravens that players know, is that they are loyal to, and pay top performers. Because of this, they tend to keep their stars long term, and many prefer to retire as Ravens. They tried this with Ed Reed, but Ed wanted one final payday , and the Texans bit.

[dw49]

Brees isn't going anywhere, though. He'll be 36, but we know that he can still play at a high level. They can extend him into 2017 and beyond with prorated bonus if they want. There's lots of ways to do that, because they aren't piling bonus on top of bonus for the next four years. You can bonus him up, give him some guarantees, and still bring down his cap hits for the rest of his career. I expect that they'll do just that, and then things get easier to navigate past 2016.

 

You could be right but I was thinking if they re-do his deal before 2015 , they will have 15mill of pro rated bonus to carry over. So if they extend him to 2018 and give him a 25 mill bonus , that would be 10 mill per year in pro rated bonus. Don't they at least have to pay him 12 mill in base salary for both 2015 and 2016 ? He could just stay put or leave if he didn't get at least that .. no? He's due 39 mill in base for 2015 -2016. I mean doesn't it to at least make a little bit of sense for Brees to extend ? The way I see it they will have to be be eating something pretty substantial when he hits 38-39 years old. maybe I'm wrong...

[Shane Bond]

Pretty impressive for a kicker to drive all the way up the field and put himself in field goal range.

Also is Vinitieri hit 1 of his first 2 kicks in that Panthers SB, they would have been kneeling on the ball for the win. He was 1 for 3 in that Sb... 33%..

you wouldnt had been in SB not for his field goals against Raiders.

It's a joke to undermine his efforts

[Superman]

You could be right but I was thinking if they re-do his deal before 2015 , they will have 15mill of pro rated bonus to carry over. So if they extend him to 2018 and give him a 25 mill bonus , that would be 10 mill per year in pro rated bonus. Don't they at least have to pay him 12 mill in base salary for both 2015 and 2016 ? He could just stay put or leave if he didn't get at least that .. no? He's due 39 mill in base for 2015 -2016. I mean doesn't it to at least make a little bit of sense for Brees to extend ? The way I see it they will have to be be eating something pretty substantial when he hits 38-39 years old. maybe I'm wrong...

 

Yeah, they'd absolutely have to extend at least a couple years.

 

His prorated bonus is $7.4m in each of the next two seasons. His P5 salaries are $19m and $20m. I figure they could push him out to five years, give him a $15m bonus and a $8m salary in 2015 (that's an increase of cash in 2015), and his cap hit, with the old prorated bonus goes down from $26.4 to $18.4m. Similar structure in 2016, maybe an option bonus so he still gets close to his $39m over the next two years, but they push the pain out more evenly with declining salaries and cap hits when he's 38-40. A lot of that is up to negotiations and whatnot, but I think it's workable. 

[amfootball]

Brees isn't going anywhere, though. He'll be 36, but we know that he can still play at a high level. They can extend him into 2017 and beyond with prorated bonus if they want. There's lots of ways to do that, because they aren't piling bonus on top of bonus for the next four years. You can bonus him up, give him some guarantees, and still bring down his cap hits for the rest of his career. I expect that they'll do just that, and then things get easier to navigate past 2016.

You didn't see any decline in Brees' game this year? I thought he was having issues pushing the ball this season but that could have been more a factor of the offense than him. I know Bogie thinks it is time to move on from him.

[The Old Crow]

Yeah, they'd absolutely have to extend at least a couple years.

His prorated bonus is $7.4m in each of the next two seasons. His P5 salaries are $19m and $20m. I figure they could push him out to five years, give him a $15m bonus and a $8m salary in 2015 (that's an increase of cash in 2015), and his cap hit, with the old prorated bonus goes down from $26.4 to $18.4m. Similar structure in 2016, maybe an option bonus so he still gets close to his $39m over the next two years, but they push the pain out more evenly with declining salaries and cap hits when he's 38-40. A lot of that is up to negotiations and whatnot, but I think it's workable.

Superman, you are the foremost forum expert on salary cap issues. Very impressive. I think Mr. B should hire you for the Ravens. You guys keep pulling talent out of Baltimore, we could use a cap specialist out of Indy to help Ozzie.

[dw49]

Yeah, they'd absolutely have to extend at least a couple years.

 

His prorated bonus is $7.4m in each of the next two seasons. His P5 salaries are $19m and $20m. I figure they could push him out to five years, give him a $15m bonus and a $8m salary in 2015 (that's an increase of cash in 2015), and his cap hit, with the old prorated bonus goes down from $26.4 to $18.4m. Similar structure in 2016, maybe an option bonus so he still gets close to his $39m over the next two years, but they push the pain out more evenly with declining salaries and cap hits when he's 38-40. A lot of that is up to negotiations and whatnot, but I think it's workable. 

 

 

That would be a very team friendly deal and I doubt he does it with just 15 mill signing bonus. You do say they 'could " do a option bonus and cover that. But it makes the deal more costly and bottom line is if they "push him out 5 years" , that's his 41 year old year. Looks to me like there's no way he's gong to be effective for another 5 years. Bottom line IMO , they are going to be paying for a QB that they will probably replace years before his bonus is fully prorated. To what extent will be determined mostly by how willing Brees is to do a team friendly deal. But yeah.. it will for sure get done.

[JerodMayo51]

you wouldnt had been in SB not for his field goals against Raiders.

It's a joke to undermine his efforts

 

Im not undermining his efforts, im putting them in perspective.. its a joke to give him credit for all 3 championships and act like no one else did anything just because he got the opportunity to kick a field goal at the end...  The games were also tied, he kicked them for the win.. so even if he missed, they would have gone into overtime  (Would have been the only SBs to ever go into OT)

 

[Shane Bond]

Im not undermining his efforts, im putting them in perspective.. its a joke to give him credit for all 3 championships and act like no one else did anything just because he got the opportunity to kick a field goal at the end...  The games were also tied, he kicked them for the win.. so even if he missed, they would have gone into overtime  (Would have been the only SBs to ever go into OT)

 

Its a 53 player game, i am glad you agree to it

 

Just like its not all Brady 

[Superman]

That would be a very team friendly deal and I doubt he does it with just 15 mill signing bonus. You do say they 'could " do a option bonus and cover that. But it makes the deal more costly and bottom line is if they "push him out 5 years" , that's his 41 year old year. Looks to me like there's no way he's gong to be effective for another 5 years. Bottom line IMO , they are going to be paying for a QB that they will probably replace years before his bonus is fully prorated. To what extent will be determined mostly by how willing Brees is to do a team friendly deal. But yeah.. it will for sure get done.

 

It would be team friendly. I don't see why it shouldn't be. As you said, he'll be 41 when the contract expires. It would sort of take the Brady framework, but with more money overall. If you don't mind, I'll go ahead and present the entire deal, as I see it.

 

Five years, $80m, $45m "guaranteed," $15m signing bonus, 2016 option bonus of $10m; $41m in new money, three extra years, expires after the 2019 season (Brees will turn 41 the January after that season)

 

 

Year     PreB      NewB      OB      Salary      Cap hit

2015     7.4        3.0                    8.0          18.4

2016     7.4        3.0         2.50     7.0          19.9

2017                 3.0         2.50     14.0         19.5

2018                 3.0         2.50     13.0         18.5

2019                 3.0         2.50     13.0         18.5

 

Now, we can ask whether Brees would accept that kind of deal. It's basically $16m/year for the next five years, with the first two years fully guaranteed, $5m of the third year fully guaranteed, and then you can guarantee the rest for injury on a year to year basis. Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton and Tom Benton would have quite a sale to make, but I would imagine that Brees would appreciate the need to spread his money out, and this makes it so he can retire as a Saint. It's a very respectful and appreciative legacy deal. 

 

Counter?

[backshoulderfade]

Yeh, i'm not arguing.

[Superman]

Superman, you are the foremost forum expert on salary cap issues. Very impressive. I think Mr. B should hire you for the Ravens. You guys keep pulling talent out of Baltimore, we could use a cap specialist out of Indy to help Ozzie.

 

Give him my number...

 

But yeah, I don't know a quarter of the stuff real NFL cap guys know. I learn something new every time a contract is done. I just find it really interesting, especially with Peyton Manning's 2012 situation. I really wanted to understand what the situation was, and the people who helped me most were a few posters here. 

[snkdy]

I no longer disagree.

[Narcosys]

How about now Harbaugh? Pointless deep ball int.

[snkdy]

How about now Harbaugh? Pointless deep ball int.

 

I'm disappointed

 

All he needed was five yards for the 1st.

[Moose Of Woe]

Running it well all game.

There's 1:48 left on the clock, your D can't stop NE, and NE has a timeout.

 

WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU THROW THAT? Even if BAL scores there, NE would drive right back and  get at least a FG if not a TD. In that situation you run it down their throat until you're near the goal line with ~45 seconds left then make safe throws/run from near the goal line.

 

#1 QB in the game. That's a good one.

[Jim H.]

The epitome of a choke job.

[ThaCaliColt]

I'll tell you who's the best in football, that Ravens offensive line…

[ThaCaliColt]

Running it well all game.

There's 1:48 left on the clock, your D can't stop NE, and NE has a timeout.

 

WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU THROW THAT? Even if BAL scores there, NE would drive right back and  get at least a FG if not a TD. In that situation you run it down their throat until you're near the goal line with ~45 seconds left then make safe throws/run from near the goal line.

 

#1 QB in the game. That's a good one.

2nd and 5…They were driving…Runs were working nicely and Flacco overthrows on, a deep errant pass with two defenders in the area? They had it timed perfectly, running down the clock with short, effective plays and then that...

[Moose Of Woe]

2nd and 5…They were driving…Runs were working nicely and Flacco overthrows on, a deep errant pass with two defenders in the area? They had it timed perfectly, running down the clock with short, effective plays and then that...

Yup. Should have been a mix of running it down their throats up the middle and short, safe passes to the sidelines to get out of bounds. After the 4th down conversion (which on third down should have been a run IMO) they had NE dead to rights and blew it. Again. Only this time it was on the QB/playcalling instead of a drop/good play by a Pats defender.

 

The run was working well all game long, particularly right up the gut. Receivers weren't dropping balls and Flacco still found a way to screw it up  with two bad picks...one of which directly cost them the game.

 

Don't get me wrong Joe is a good QB, but the best? lol....

[amfootball]

Yup. Should have been a mix of running it down their throats up the middle and short, safe passes to the sidelines to get out of bounds. After the 4th down conversion (which on third down should have been a run IMO) they had NE dead to rights and blew it. Again. Only this time it was on the QB/playcalling instead of a drop/good play by a Pats defender.

 

The run was working well all game long, particularly right up the gut. Receivers weren't dropping balls and Flacco still found a way to screw it up  with two bad picks...one of which directly cost them the game.

 

Don't get me wrong Joe is a good QB, but the best? lol....

Remember Browner was out so it was Logan Ryan out there with Harmon over the top. Not a bad decision to go at them but Torrey was covered and it was a poor throw as well. It happens. Don't blame Joe for going for it in that situation.

[Moose Of Woe]

Remember Browner was out so it was Logan Ryan out there with Harmon over the top. Not a bad decision to go at them but Torrey was covered and it was a poor throw as well. It happens. Don't blame Joe for going for it in that situation.

I do because it was bad for two reasons:

 

1: Regardless of Browner being out, there was no reason to go for it there and leave that much time on the clock if it's a TD. Especially with the way their D was playing against the Pats O. If that's a TD it's basically opening the floodgates for TB and co. to drive down and win the game. Poor clock management. BAL needed to leave NE with ~45 seconds or less...and even that might have been enough for a FG.

 

2: The throw, as you said, was bad.

[amfootball]

I do because it was bad for two reasons:

 

1: Regardless of Browner being out, there was no reason to go for it there and leave that much time on the clock if it's a TD. Especially with the way their D was playing against the Pats O. If that's a TD it's basically opening the floodgates for TB and co. to drive down and win the game. Poor clock management.

 

2: The throw, as you said, was bad.

IDK.  I think if you have a chance to score the TD there you do it. The Pats D only let up one TD in the second half and two TOs. But yes, a bad throw. His first pick was a bad throw as well.

[JerodMayo51]

Its a 53 player game, i am glad you agree to it

 

Just like its not all Brady 

 

Everyone knows its not all Brady, but hes certainly a big part in all of them and that is also obvious. 

 

 

Look at today, Brady took the entire weight of that game on his shoulders...  The defense was playing horrendous all game and let up 31 points, his running game was completely shut down and not working, his offensive line was getting him killed and yet they threw the ball 50 times and Brady scores 4 touchdowns and nearly 400 yards, including the go ahead touchdown with 5 minutes left to play after trailing the entire game up to that point.  He had to employ a quick passing attack (ala early 2000's SBs) to counter the Raven's defensive line that was dominating the trenches all game long.

 

It was an intense game, in the cold northeast and Brady had one of the greatest playoff performances of his career, passing Joe Montana for the most TDs in a postseason..  It was a special game by him, an MVP type game and if they do manage to go the full distance it will be part of an historic season for NFL lore history.

[Shane Bond]

Everyone knows its not all Brady, but hes certainly a big part in all of them and that is also obvious.

Look at today, Brady took the entire weight of that game on his shoulders... The defense was playing horrendous all game and let up 31 points, his running game was completely shut down and not working, his offensive line was getting him killed and yet they threw the ball 50 times and Brady scores 4 touchdowns and nearly 400 yards, including the go ahead touchdown with 5 minutes left to play after trailing the entire game up to that point. He had to employ a quick passing attack (ala early 2000's SBs) to counter the Raven's defensive line that was dominating the trenches all game long.

It was an intense game, in the cold northeast and Brady had one of the greatest playoff performances of his career, passing Joe Montana for the most TDs in a postseason.. It was a special game by him, an MVP type game and if they do manage to go the full distance it will be part of an historic season for NFL lore history.

yeah took it all himself, see you are doing it again

[JerodMayo51]

yeah took it all himself, see you are doing it again

 

It was a great game by him, one of his best ever in the post season.. you can't possibly deny that? It was an amazing game

[The Old Crow]

Tough call at end , but the Ravens were taking chances all game. Wouldn't have been the call I would have made, but you take the chances on the road. That interception came up snake eyes. Another good game, we came up on the short end.