What I would like the 2015 roster to look like (edit)

[wabbwubb]

     Have fun doing your own thing.  I left over 6mil in cap to add to some contracts you think I may be low at, but as you can see I hope a few returning free agents take less $ IE ( Wayne, Redding, Hasselbeck)

 

 

              PLAYER               *.        CAP HIT

1              Jonotthan Harri C             $512,500

2              Khaled Holmes  C             $690,027

3              AQ Shipley          C             $2,187,000   2nd round tender

4              Derrel Revis        CB           $12,000,000

5              Jalil Brown           CB           $745,000

6              Sheldon Price    CB           $435,000

7              Vontae Davis     CB           $11,250,000

8              Darius Butler      CB           $3,000,000

9              5th round pick   CB           $500,000

10           Montori Hughe DE           $635,493

11           Na Domican Suh DT         $17,000,000

12           Corry Redding   DT           $2,000,000

13           Arthur Jones      DT           $7,100,000

14           Josh Chapman   DT           $713,878

15           Zach Kerr             DT           $512,000

16           Draft 1st round G             $1,400,000

17           Hugh Thornton G             $731,345

18           Jack Mewhort   G             $812,228

19           Lance Louis         G             $1,097,500

20           Andrew Jackson ILB          $510,000

21           D'Qwell JacksonILB          $5,750,000

22           Henoc Muamba  ILB          $510,000

23           Jerrrel Freeman ILB          $2,187,000  2nd round tender

24           Adam Vinatieri  K             $2,750,000

25           Anthony Casto  LT            $7,438,000

26           Gosder Cherilus RT           $6,900,000

27           Ulrick John          LT            $449,462

28           Bjoern Werner  OLB        $2,153,562

29           Erik Walden        OLB        $4,250,000

30           Jonathan News OLB        $554,527

31           Robert Mathis   OLB        $7,750,000

32           4rth round pick OLB        $500,000

33           Pat McAfee        P             $2,950,000

34           Andrew Luck      QB          $7,034,363

35           Hasselback          QB          $2,000,000

36           3rd round pick   RB           $500,000

37           Vick Ballard         RB           $696,140

38           Bradshaw            RB           $1,000,000

39           Dewey McDon  S              $510,000

40           2nd round pick  S              $600,000

41           Mike Adams       S              $1,500,000

42           Sergio Brown     S              $1,500,000

43           Coby Fleener     TE           $1,699,615

44           Dwayne Allen    TE           $975,826

45           Jack Doyle           TE           $585,000

46           Donte Moncri  WR           $660,880

47           T.Y. Hilton            WR         $796,850

48           Reggie Wayne   WR         $2,000,000

49           Duran Carter      WR         $750,000

50           6th round pick   WR         $500,000

51           7th round pick   WR         $500,000

52           Matt Overton    LS            $2,187,000   2nd round tender

53                           MISC                    $500,000

Dead Money      Rickey Jean Fran $1,250,000

                LeRon Landry                     $3,500,000

                Greg Toler                           $333,334

                Donald Thomas                 $500,000

Total Salary        $140,053,530

Cap Space           $147,000,000

Cap Left               $6,946,470

 

 

 

[wabbwubb]

should say 2015 not 2016 

[AntonMcG]

Do you mean 2015? Revis has another year with the Patriots, and he will not be cut, his deal will be restructured.

[Combsey]

Pretty good job

[AntonMcG]

Plus paying Revis and Suh like that wouldn't leave much room to sign up Luck, Hilton, Costanzo, Fleener and Allen.

 

I believe it could still be done, but it would be very tight and would probably mean back loading contracts.

[Valpo2004]

You hand out those big money contracts to Suh and Revis and you don't have the money for Andrew Luck in 2016.  Not to mention TY and several others.

 

We have to be extremely careful about the money we hand out to free agents this year.  

[wabbwubb]

Plus paying Revis and Suh like that wouldn't leave much room to sign up Luck, Hilton, Costanzo, Fleener and Allen.

 

I believe it could still be done, but it would be very tight and would probably mean back loading contracts.

Revis counts as 25 mil against the pats salary next year so I mad the assumption he gets cut.  Suhs contract would be front loaded to lower the rest of his salary per year so we can sign Luck and the rest of our guys when we need too.

[wabbwubb]

I assume Revis wants only a 1 year deal like he did in Boston to just get as much money as he can so its over paying for him but its not long term

[Dustin]

 >Na Domican Suh

 

[Dustin]

Cap will go way up by then. 

[wabbwubb]

 >Na Domican Suh

 

Ndamukong Suh   like my way better lol

[wabbwubb]

Cap will go way up by then. 

the title should say 2015 im just stupid

[NewColtsFan]

How many posters have come along to say they're worried we don't have enough cap space to re-sign the players we currently have on our roster.      Forget that they're wrong, and we do have the space,  but countless posters worry just to re-sign the players we have right now.

 

And now we have a new poster who thinks we'd also have the space to sign the two most expensive defensive free agents available...   Suh and Revis.

 

God,  Heaven help us!       

[AntonMcG]

Revis counts as 25 mil against the pats salary next year so I mad the assumption he gets cut.  Suhs contract would be front loaded to lower the rest of his salary per year so we can sign Luck and the rest of our guys when we need too.

 

 

Yeah, it's doable. I don't see us getting Suh or Revis, and I would rather have a disruptive pass-rusher than Revis... we already have a lock-down corner, paying someone over 10 million a year to cover a team's second best receiver doesn't make sense to me.

[AntonMcG]

How many posters have come along to say they're worried we don't have enough cap space to re-sign the players we currently have on our roster.      Forget that they're wrong, and we do have the space,  but countless posters worry just to re-sign the players we have right now.

 

And now we have a new poster who thinks we'd also have the space to sign the two most expensive defensive free agents available...   Suh and Revis.

 

God,  Heaven help us!       

 

We probably would, but it would hurt our flexibility going forward.

 

Not that I think there is much chance of it happening.

[Superman]

the title should say 2015 im just stupid

 

Changed it for you.

[wabbwubb]

Changed it for you.

thank you !

[wabbwubb]

How many posters have come along to say they're worried we don't have enough cap space to re-sign the players we currently have on our roster.      Forget that they're wrong, and we do have the space,  but countless posters worry just to re-sign the players we have right now.

 

And now we have a new poster who thinks we'd also have the space to sign the two most expensive defensive free agents available...   Suh and Revis.

 

God,  Heaven help us!       

its doable, but don't worry I am not going to be a GM any time soon  . 

[Luck_Is_Skilled]

Yeah, it's doable. I don't see us getting Suh or Revis, and I would rather have a disruptive pass-rusher than Revis... we already have a lock-down corner, paying someone over 10 million a year to cover a team's second best receiver doesn't make sense to me.

Just nit-picking a little but Vontae plays exclusively on the left side of the offense. Most #1's line up to the QB's right and occaisionally in the slot. So in essense we already pay 10million per to cover #2's.

 

Example, If we played the Packers, in most cases Toler would cover Nelson, Cobb would be covered by Butler in the slot and Vontae'd be matched up with Adams. So there are even cases where Vontae covers #3's.

 

But I do get your point.

[Valpo2004]

How many posters have come along to say they're worried we don't have enough cap space to re-sign the players we currently have on our roster.      Forget that they're wrong, and we do have the space,  but countless posters worry just to re-sign the players we have right now.

 

And now we have a new poster who thinks we'd also have the space to sign the two most expensive defensive free agents available...   Suh and Revis.

 

God,  Heaven help us!       

 

Are we talking about re-signing players with expired contracts or extending players with one more year on their contacts?

 

We do have the money, don't get me wrong, but a lot of that cap space is going to be ate up by a TY Hilton extension, Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen extensions, Anthony Castanzo extension.  Then you have the Andrew Luck extension coming either this year or the next.  

 

So we have the money, but we can't go hog wild on FA's.

[wabbwubb]

Are we talking about re-signing players with expired contracts or extending players with one more year on their contacts?

 

We do have the money, don't get me wrong, but a lot of that cap space is going to be ate up by a TY Hilton extension, Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen extensions, Anthony Castanzo extension.  Then you have the Andrew Luck extension coming either this year or the next.  

 

So we have the money, but we can't go hog wild on FA's.

In my example the only Person I gave a long term deal was to Suh and its front loaded that's why its at 17 mil for year 1.  Revis deal would drop off to help sign free agents in 2016.  Then Suhs would drop to around 12 mil a year.  You can also consider dropping Walden, Cherilus and DQ in 2016 when the cap hit will be less if need be.

[ProblChld32]

So are just gonna disregard that a THUMPER is needed at ILB? i Love freeman but i feel like he is really a liability in this defense.

[GusBus24]

I don't mind what you have on here but realistically we are not going to get Revis or Suh so we can use that money somewhere else. We need a #1 all down running back so I would like the Colts to go after in this order Peterson, Murray, Spiller, Rice, Gore. We also need more help on the D line and O line and wouldn't mind seeing another LB. I think we are good on CB's maybe we could draft one.  

[ColtStronger]

I don't care how good Suh is I do NOT want that classless fool on the Colts.  He is a punk that doesn't deserve to wear an NFL uniform.  He has so much talent, but it's sad to see somebody with his kind of talent to have the attitude and pull his kind of antics.  Revis on the otherhand, I would like to have, but that's a dream.  I'm fine with Davis, Toler, and Butler as our corners.  We have other issues to fix such as the OL DL and LB's before we can get into the fantasy world of who it would be nice to have.

[ColtStronger]

So are just gonna disregard that a THUMPER is needed at ILB? i Love freeman but i feel like he is really a liability in this defense.

All of our LB's are liabilities in our defense.  Freeman is probably the best all around, but isn't a big brute like we need.  DQ is probably the best in coverage, but isn't that great.  Werner and Walden aren't too bad setting the edge, but aren't too good either.  Newsome is the only LB who can rush the passer but he is still young and can't defend against the run or in coverage.  The way I see it, they're all somewhat underwhelming and liabilities somewhere.  None of their strengths standout either.

[wabbwubb]

All of our LB's are liabilities in our defense.  Freeman is probably the best all around, but isn't a big brute like we need.  DQ is probably the best in coverage, but isn't that great.  Werner and Walden aren't too bad setting the edge, but aren't too good either.  Newsome is the only LB who can rush the passer but he is still young and can't defend against the run or in coverage.  The way I see it, they're all somewhat underwhelming and liabilities somewhere.  None of their strengths standout either.

 I think adding DLine help will give the LBs more room to work and play better.

[NewColtsFan]

We probably would, but it would hurt our flexibility going forward.

 

Not that I think there is much chance of it happening.

 

Well....  if it hurts our flexibility going forward then I think it's about 99.9% unlikely, don't you think?

 

This is not an exercise to try and fit all the great players we can onto a roster for one year.

 

The team is trying to build a sustainable roster that can stand the test of time.

 

Adding Suh and Revis is about as illogical as can be,  whether we can technically do it or not.

[NewColtsFan]

Are we talking about re-signing players with expired contracts or extending players with one more year on their contacts?

 

We do have the money, don't get me wrong, but a lot of that cap space is going to be ate up by a TY Hilton extension, Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen extensions, Anthony Castanzo extension.  Then you have the Andrew Luck extension coming either this year or the next.  

 

So we have the money, but we can't go hog wild on FA's.

 

Agreed.    And I think trying to add Suh and Revis would qualify as going hog wild on free agents....

[NBColtsFanatic]

I don't care how good Suh is I do NOT want that classless fool on the Colts. He is a punk that doesn't deserve to wear an NFL uniform. He has so much talent, but it's sad to see somebody with his kind of talent to have the attitude and pull his kind of antics. Revis on the otherhand, I would like to have, but that's a dream. I'm fine with Davis, Toler, and Butler as our corners. We have other issues to fix such as the OL DL and LB's before we can get into the fantasy world of who it would be nice to have.

That's why the Colts should sign him. He is nasty, scary, and mean; with him, he would make the whole defense play like that. The defense the previous season just played too soft and not tough-you can see with all the games vs. New England. How is it possible our people who play DT, DE, NT are 300lbs can't stop a much smaller rb from getting through them. If we want Legarrette Blount, Jonas Gray, Insert here, to run for 200+ yards, we can stick to our players now. I say we get Suh or Knighton. For once Grigson must bring in a big name FA.

[NewColtsFan]

its doable, but don't worry I am not going to be a GM any time soon  . 

 

I'm sorry.   I owe you an apology.   I was way too hard on you.    You're a relative newcomer and I got a bad, bad nights sleep and woke up cranky.

 

As I noted in another post,  technically we might be able to load up Suh and Revis for one year.   But things blow-up after that as we try to re-sign and extend Luck, Fleener, Allen, TY Hilton and Castanzo.    Suddenly, all our cap space is gone.

 

Suh and Revis aren't looking for one year deals.   So, the length of their deals and the cap hits over a number of years would kill us trying to re-sign all the other players we need to extend.

 

Sorry I was such a jerk.    Welcome to the website!    Hope you enjoy it!  

 

Most people here are very nice -- even me! -- (just not this morning!)    

[wabbwubb]

Well....  if it hurts our flexibility going forward then I think it's about 99.9% unlikely, don't you think?

 

This is not an exercise to try and fit all the great players we can onto a roster for one year.

 

The team is trying to build a sustainable roster that can stand the test of time.

 

Adding Suh and Revis is about as illogical as can be,  whether we can technically do it or not.

Revis in the example is a 1 year deal pretty much how he signed for Pats ( they just made it 2 years to run his signing bonus over 2 years) Suh is front heavy then drops down and would be able to cut him after three years if it didn't work out( Good example is Gerald mccoys contract)  yes he was giving 51 mil guaranteed but they front loaded it to only be a cap hit of 1.5 mil if they cut him in 3 years

[Dustin]

I don't care how good Suh is I do NOT want that classless fool on the Colts.  He is a punk that doesn't deserve to wear an NFL uniform.  He has so much talent, but it's sad to see somebody with his kind of talent to have the attitude and pull his kind of antics.  Revis on the otherhand, I would like to have, but that's a dream.  I'm fine with Davis, Toler, and Butler as our corners.  We have other issues to fix such as the OL DL and LB's before we can get into the fantasy world of who it would be nice to have.

 

Wow that's strong. You would think this guy did something crazy like put his girlfriend in the hospital (Walden), jumped some guy outside of a bar (Montori Hughes), or had multiple DUIs (Andrew Jackson & Jim Irsay). But we definitely can't have a guy who may have stepped on some guys leg on purpose on the classy Colts!

[wabbwubb]

I'm sorry.   I owe you an apology.   I was way too hard on you.    You're a relative newcomer and I got a bad, bad nights sleep and woke up cranky.

 

As I noted in another post,  technically we might be able to load up Suh and Revis for one year.   But things blow-up after that as we try to re-sign and extend Luck, Fleener, Allen, TY Hilton and Castanzo.    Suddenly, all our cap space is gone.

 

Suh and Revis aren't looking for one year deals.   So, the length of their deals and the cap hits over a number of years would kill us trying to re-sign all the other players we need to extend.

 

Sorry I was such a jerk.    Welcome to the website!    Hope you enjoy it!  

 

Most people here are very nice -- even me! -- (just not this morning!)    

 

lol don't worry im not new I just don't post on every subject but tend to read them.  It hard to explain the contracts in a blog but im telling you this is not as crazy as you may think. just dive in to salaries and look at when the money frees up and the dead cap.  Even like this we will have about 40  mil next year in free cap still.  We can sign luck and Hilton and  more in 2016.

[Valpo2004]

Agreed.    And I think trying to add Suh and Revis would qualify as going hog wild on free agents....

 

Totally agree with that.  

[ColtStronger]

 I think adding DLine help will give the LBs more room to work and play better.

Yes, Jones and 1 other guy that commands a double, would help us greatly.  However, we would still have an issue with the LB's in coverage.

[ColtStronger]

That's why the Colts should sign him. He is nasty, scary, and mean; with him, he would make the whole defense play like that. The defense the previous season just played too soft and not tough-you can see with all the games vs. New England. How is it possible our people who play DT, DE, NT are 300lbs can't stop a much smaller rb from getting through them. If we want Legarrette Blount, Jonas Gray, Insert here, to run for 200+ yards, we can stick to our players now. I say we get Suh or Knighton. For once Grigson must bring in a big name FA.

The nastiness, and mean persona is all cool, just not the action of purposely cleating or kicking other players.  That's just dirty!  If he doesn't like a situation with another player or coach, that type of player is likely to cause a locker room issue.  Colts always have been a classy organization, I would hate for them to tarnish their rep over one player.  Truthfully I'm surprised Walden doesn't get the boot, because he really isn't that good, and he pulls crap like that every so often.

[ColtStronger]

Wow that's strong. You would think this guy did something crazy like put his girlfriend in the hospital (Walden), jumped some guy outside of a bar (Montori Hughes), or had multiple DUIs (Andrew Jackson & Jim Irsay). But we definitely can't have a guy who may have stepped on some guys leg on purpose on the classy Colts!

Not a Walden fan, I just made a post before this and I gave my opinion on him as well.  Hughes: didn't hear about that, but I believe in giving everybody a 2nd chance, just if you haven't learned, then you don't deserve a 3rd IMO. 

[NBColtsFanatic]

The nastiness, and mean persona is all cool, just not the action of purposely cleating or kicking other players. That's just dirty! If he doesn't like a situation with another player or coach, that type of player is likely to cause a locker room issue. Colts always have been a classy organization, I would hate for them to tarnish their rep over one player. Truthfully I'm surprised Walden doesn't get the boot, because he really isn't that good, and he pulls crap like that every so often.

I agree. Either way Suh is really good and worth bringing in and anyway the Colts and Pagano could probably get him to mature a little bit. I guess Waldens cases aren't as severe/ well known, touching an official isn't that bad, but head butting a player is different. Still Walden keeps it together.

[throwing BBZ]

All of our LB's are liabilities in our defense.  Freeman is probably the best all around, but isn't a big brute like we need.  DQ is probably the best in coverage, but isn't that great.  Werner and Walden aren't too bad setting the edge, but aren't too good either.  Newsome is the only LB who can rush the passer but he is still young and can't defend against the run or in coverage.  The way I see it, they're all somewhat underwhelming and liabilities somewhere.  None of their strengths standout either.

 

 Telling it like it is.

[NewColtsFan]

Revis in the example is a 1 year deal pretty much how he signed for Pats ( they just made it 2 years to run his signing bonus over 2 years) Suh is front heavy then drops down and would be able to cut him after three years if it didn't work out( Good example is Gerald mccoys contract)  yes he was giving 51 mil guaranteed but they front loaded it to only be a cap hit of 1.5 mil if they cut him in 3 years

 

 

Neither Revis nor Suh are going to accept contracts like that.