If you could change one thing about the NFL...

[Gavin]

It would be hard to get anything from Pryor because he hadn't made any money yet. It's near impossible to get a ruling based on probable future income, and he had yet to earn a single dime.

Bush wasn't suspended, but he was forced to relinquish his Heisman. That would hurt more in my opinion...

What benefits did Terell receive? money?

[Gavin]

I think the punishment they did was far better and more appropriate. If they took Pryor to court, not sure what they could have charged him with. He didn't break any actual government laws, just violated the rules of the sport he was in. The suspension was appropriate and now it starts to set a precedent. Precedents have to be set at some point. Prior to the be precedent being set, those who broke the rules got away with it. It's just the nature of the beast. At least now they won't get away with it.

I agree with most of your statement but Goodell set to precedents, suspending Pryor and letting Bush get away with it free, Yeah I know he had to give back his Heisman but big deal its not like giving it back will change the fact that he won it pretty convincingly if I remember right

[21isSuperman]

What benefits did Terell receive? money?

It was reported that he had driven 8 different cars during his 3 years at OSU and that he had been driving on an expired license. It was also alleged that he made thousands by signing memorobellia.

[Gavin]

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=6637444 The free food, cars that was given to him dont bother me a bit, athletes get alot of free stuff, If that report was accurate I would have made him repay every cent of that amount (I believe it said 40,000 and suspended him 1-2 games at the most but I would have done the exact same thing with Bush

[FireJimCaldwell]

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=6637444 The free food, cars that was given to him dont bother me a bit, athletes get alot of free stuff, If that report was accurate I would have made him repay every cent of that amount (I believe it said 40,000 and suspended him 1-2 games at the most but I would have done the exact same thing with Bush

Who does he repay it to? The crooked people that gave him the illegal benefits to start with? They'll just turn around and give it to the next flavor of the month.

[That Guy]

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=6637444 The free food, cars that was given to him dont bother me a bit, athletes get alot of free stuff, If that report was accurate I would have made him repay every cent of that amount (I believe it said 40,000 and suspended him 1-2 games at the most but I would have done the exact same thing with Bush

Who does he repay it to? The crooked people that gave him the illegal benefits to start with? They'll just turn around and give it to the next flavor of the month.

I agree with FJC. And why would you punish them both the same? They were two different people who got caught in two different situations. Why punish them the same?

I say you make the punishment fit the crime, and Goodell managed to do it in these cases. I have no problems with his punishments. Consistency in the punishment is only necessary if all the circumstances are the same.

[That Guy]

I agree with most of your statement but Goodell set to precedents, suspending Pryor and letting Bush get away with it free, Yeah I know he had to give back his Heisman but big deal its not like giving it back will change the fact that he won it pretty convincingly if I remember right

Giving up the Heisman IS a big deal. You may remember he won it now; but in thirty years, after he has retired, do you think anyone will remember the circumstances? He gave up a LEGACY. Winning the Heisman is a VERY big deal, and losing one is more so...

[FireJimCaldwell]

I'm not 100% certain he actually returned it or not.

[John Waylon]

I'd erase the jim caldwell/larry coyer/curtis painter farce we all laid witness to last year from our minds.

[That Guy]

I'm not 100% certain he actually returned it or not.

Here is one source saying he gave it back:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/15/sports/ncaafootball/15heisman.html?_r=1&src=mv&ref=sports

I assume the NY Times is reputable? I've never read it...

;)

[Fx Stryker]

Not to mention he is the only, I believe, vacated of the Heisman.

[Gavin]

Giving up the Heisman IS a big deal. You may remember he won it now; but in thirty years, after he has retired, do you think anyone will remember the circumstances? He gave up a LEGACY. Winning the Heisman is a VERY big deal, and losing one is more so...

Its widely believed that O.J. Simson committed murder, do sports enthusiasts talk about that murder when they speak of him or the trouble he has been in since?

[That Guy]

Its widely believed that O.J. Simson committed murder, do sports enthusiasts talk about that murder when they speak of him or the trouble he has been in since?

Yes...

I have yet to hear a conversation about OJ where his trial has not been mentioned.

[Gavin]

Yep he gave it back, does that change anything? Nope he still won it rather easily, you think he has to have a trophy to know he was a beast in college or that he was the talk of the land in college?

[Gavin]

Yes...

I have yet to hear a conversation about OJ where his trial has not been mentioned.

When his name is brought up in a sports broadcast no one talks about the murder they talk about how good he was in the pros and college

[MTC]

Give NFL Sunday Ticket to everyone for free.

[Superman]

5 games for receiving illegal benefits in college when how much do college athletes make? Just a case of Goodell exercising his authority to much I think, whats the exact punishment in regards to that in college? 5 games was way to steep in my opinion, Bush wasn't suspended,

Pryor's NFL suspension for five games coincided with the NCAA suspension. It was made on the basis of not wanting to create a precedent for a player getting penalized in college and then circumventing the suspension by declaring for the supplemental draft. Goodell could have kept Pryor from being eligible for the supplemental draft altogether, but allowed him to be drafted, on the basis of having to serve out his suspension. The suspension was the only reason Pryor was eligible for the supplemental draft in the first place. It was important for setting a precedent and for not allowing the situation to undermine the relationship between the NFL and college football.

If you have an issue with the hypocrisy of penalizing college athletes for getting free tattoos, that's an issue completely unrelated to Roger Goodell.

[BrentMc11]

If I could change one thing this very moment, I wish Terrelle Pryor was not in the NFL at all. He would be working at the Jim Tressel Tattoo Center in scenic Akron, Ohio....hope of the Zips and Goodyear Tire.

[Superman]

Today I wish the NFL would open the market to the most advanced helmets money can buy. Riddell has owned the market for years. I would hope the NFL would step up and make this happen now.

I'm pretty certain players can use whatever helmet they want to, as long as it meets baseline qualifications.

[That Guy]

Yep he gave it back, does that change anything? Nope he still won it rather easily, you think he has to have a trophy to know he was a beast in college or that he was the talk of the land in college?

Tell that to Tommie Frazier...

[coltsguy510]

I would have Tony Dungy not retire.

[Gavin]

Pryor's NFL suspension for five games coincided with the NCAA suspension. It was made on the basis of not wanting to create a precedent for a player getting penalized in college and then circumventing the suspension by declaring for the supplemental draft. Goodell could have kept Pryor from being eligible for the supplemental draft altogether, but allowed him to be drafted, on the basis of having to serve out his suspension. The suspension was the only reason Pryor was eligible for the supplemental draft in the first place. It was important for setting a precedent and for not allowing the situation to undermine the relationship between the NFL and college football.

If you have an issue with the hypocrisy of penalizing college athletes for getting free tattoos, that's an issue completely unrelated to Roger Goodell.

Nope, you just let me know what I wanted to hear and thats that the suspension coincided with the college suspension

[coltsguy510]

I would make Sean Payton not call for an onside kick on February 7th, 2010.

[coltsguy510]

I would have Bill Polian draft MJD with the 30th pick in the 2006 NFL draft.

[Gavin]

Tell that to Tommie Frazier...

What does Tommie Frazier and unfortunate Blood Colts have to do with suspensions?

[That Guy]

What does Tommie Frazier and unfortunate Blood Colts have to do with suspensions?

You said that Reggie Bush not having a Heisman would not matter. That he would still be remembered for being a beast in college.

I bring up Tommie Frazier because he was as much of a beast in college, yet I never hear of him. No one knows about him. He did not win a Heisman, so few people remember him.

[Superman]

Nope, you just let me know what I wanted to hear and thats that the suspension coincided with the college suspension

Not sure what just happened, but okay.

[TKnight24]

I would've Stripped the Saints of the Super Bowl & NFC Championship titles they had the year of that Bounty. Give the NFC Championship to the Vikings. And give the Lambardi Trophy to Indianapolis. Call Peyton from Denver and every other player who was on that team but is now in a NEW Location to come get their Rings. Or have them Mailed to their Current Team or House (For the FA's who didn't find a NEW Home)

[Superman]

I agree with FJC. And why would you punish them both the same? They were two different people who got caught in two different situations. Why punish them the same?

I say you make the punishment fit the crime, and Goodell managed to do it in these cases. I have no problems with his punishments. Consistency in the punishment is only necessary if all the circumstances are the same.

Also, Reggie Bush was not suspended by NCAA when he declared for the draft. It's an entirely different circumstance. We're not just talking about someone who was found to have violated NCAA rules. We're talking about someone who had been suspended because of those violations, then used his suspension as a basis for applying to the supplemental draft. It's nothing like Reggie Bush, or pretty much anyone else.

[Gavin]

I would have Bill Polian draft MJD with the 30th pick in the 2006 NFL draft.

I trade my entire 2007 draft for Revis lol

[southwest1]

I'd significantly weaken if not remove the roughing the passer penalty. No pile driving, closelining, or Deacon Jones head slaps. But let the DE's, LB's, safeties come after the QB unrestrained without 2 hands tied behind their backs. I love defense and I am sick and tired of the offense being coddled, pampered, and babied.

Stay in the pocket and take a hit. I really respect QB's who can withstand a monster pass rush, go down hard, and still deliver the ball with velocity and precision accuracy. Let the D play and earn their paycheck fair and square.

[Gavin]

You said that Reggie Bush not having a Heisman would not matter. That he would still be remembered for being a beast in college.

I bring up Tommie Frazier because he was as much of a beast in college, yet I never hear of him. No one knows about him. He did not win a Heisman, so few people remember him.

Having the physical trophy does not matter, That doesnt change how many votes he got or the fact that he actually won it

[FireJimCaldwell]

Here is one source saying he gave it back:

http://www.nytimes.c...c=mv&ref=sports

I assume the NY Times is reputable? I've never read it...

;)

In most cases I would say yes. That was dated 9/2010.

http://chicago.cbslo...e-bushs-family/

As of July 2011, the San Diego Museum had just returned it to the Bush Family.

http://content.usato.../1#.UCLYC01lTWo

Which brings me back to why I said I wasn't 100% certain it was actually returned.

[FireJimCaldwell]

If I could change one thing this very moment, I wish Terrelle Pryor was not in the NFL at all. He would be working at the Jim Tressel Tattoo Center in scenic Akron, Ohio....hope of the Zips and Goodyear Tire.

If I'm banning anyone from the NFL then that would be Michael Vick. He doesn't deserve to breathe free air much less be paid millions to be in the NFL.

[That Guy]

In most cases I would say yes. That was dated 9/2010.

http://chicago.cbslo...e-bushs-family/

As of July 2011, he San Diego Museum had just returned it to the Bush Family.

http://content.usato.../1#.UCLYC01lTWo

Which brings me back to why I said I wasn't 100% certain it was actually returned.

Great story! I had never heard that! Really makes me wonder what's going on...

The Heisman Trophy website does not have a winner listed for 2005.

http://www.heisman.com/index.php/heismanWinners#winners-year

[southwest1]

I would've Stripped the Saints of the Super Bowl & NFC Championship titles they had the year of that Bounty. Give the NFC Championship to the Vikings. And give the Lambardi Trophy to Indianapolis. Call Peyton from Denver and every other player who was on that team but is now in a NEW Location to come get their Rings. Or have them Mailed to their Current Team or House (For the FA's who didn't find a NEW Home)

Can we make WR Hank Basket actually catch the onside kick in that 2009 Superbowl too TK85?

In all seriousness, Drew Brees and Co. made more plays in that game that we did at the crucial moments.

As much as I hate to admit this, the Saints won that game not my beloved BLUE Horseshoe....

[Superman]

Can we make WR Hank Basket actually catch the onside kick in that 2009 Superbowl too TK85?

In all seriousness, Drew Brees and Co. make more plays in that game that we did at the crucial moments.

As much as I hate to admit this, the Saints won that game not my beloved BLUE Horseshoe....

To be honest, if I'm changing one play from that game, it's Garcon's drop. The biggest play of the game, if you ask me. Without it, I don't think the onside kick ever happens, and I think the Colts control the rest of the game.

[FireJimCaldwell]

Great story! I had never heard that! Really makes me wonder what's going on...

The Heisman Trophy website does not have a winner listed for 2005.

http://www.heisman.c...rs#winners-year

I know at one point he said he was going to return it which I think is what the NYTimes was referencing. Then I remember hearing/reading it hadn't been returned and that it was being returned to his family so who knows.

I haven't seen much mentioned about it recently.

[21isSuperman]

If I'm banning anyone from the NFL then that would be Michael Vick. He doesn't deserve to breathe free air much less be paid millions to be in the NFL.

Vick has done lots of charity work and work in the community. He understands what he did was wrong and has been nothing but a good citizen in the community ever since then.

[TKnight24]

Can we make WR Hank Basket actually catch the onside kick in that 2009 Superbowl too TK85?

In all seriousness, Drew Brees and Co. made more plays in that game that we did at the crucial moments.

As much as I hate to admit this, the Saints won that game not my beloved BLUE Horseshoe....

Caldwell is a VERY FRIENDLY Coach. He waited till the Off-Season to get rid of Baskett. The MOMENT that Play was over, I would've told him to take the Jersey & Helmet off. Go to the locker room and get off of my team. Go sit in the stands or go home. You're NO LONGER apart of this Franchise. How you a WR, and can't SECURE a Ball that ROLLS into your Arms? I understand it was by Surprise, but if Hagler who is a LB can Run and Scoop the Ball for a TD... I'm sure a WR can secure a Rolling one