Colts offseason discussion / Ballard Grievances (merge)

[cbear]

54 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Rhe entire offensive staff is at Texas pro day. Could be looking at their WR which is being rumored to be a first round pick. They had a lot of people interviewing bowers. Maybe Ballard will surprise and go offense. I don’t think Ballard is as worried about corner. I think he is more worried about safety.  Hopefully they can get Blackmon back.

Agreed. I know neither Blackmon or Cross might be a true FS, but I think they still played well together and each has do much athletic ability, I think they could be very successful. Anyway in the Colts D both safeties sort of play both positions. 

[AKB]

2 minutes ago, cbear said:

Agreed. I know neither Blackmon or Cross might be a true FS, but I think they still played well together and each has do much athletic ability, I think they could be very successful. Anyway in the Colts D both safeties sort of play both positions. 

they typically don't do it midgame though. when Thomas was single high, he was single high. They might interchange them from game to game, but that's not any team's goal. You want the FS to be a ballhawk, and you want a solid tackling SS that can cover backs and TEs, in this system that's the goal. its been laid out and stated clearly.

 

So again, we don't have the FS, and unless Cross pans out we also need a SS, and if you move Cross to FS we need the SS

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, AKB said:

yeah , it is actually, seems to be a pattern with the players he drafts

Did you know the Colts under Ballard are the only team to suffer any injuries.  A recent report revealed none of the other 31 teams suffer any serious injuries.   None. 
 

And did you know that with Ballard now going into his 8th year, the Colts are the only team never to have a winning season!   And even more astounding in that same time frame ALL the other 31 teams have each won a Super Bowl!!   It’s also true.   
 

If I can come up with any more things to blame Ballard for I’ll get back to you.   

[throwing BBZ]

1 hour ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Sadly the colts arw probably going to have to take a corner at 15 instead a WR or TE. I guess Ballard could always circle back after the draft for a corner if he goes offense at 15. Listening to the blue zone podcast much better hit rate with offensive pass catchers on first round then corners.

 

 Our biggest need is a shutdown corner.

And our TE room is stuffed.

  We need a fast, twitchy WR and that can easily be found in rd 3, a safety that is long term starting caliber, and a pass rusher.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

2 minutes ago, cbear said:

Agreed. I know neither Blackmon or Cross might be a true FS, but I think they still played well together and each has do much athletic ability, I think they could be very successful. Anyway in the Colts D both safeties sort of play both positions. 

Blackmons communication skills and vet leadership made that random work ok. There was so much miscommunication those last two games without him.

[Superman]

32 minutes ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

does signing your own without adding game changers mean we will finish like we did last season? Third place in our division

 

There was a razor thin edge between finishing third and potentially winning the division last year. And this team still would have had a lot of work to do to be a real contender.

[OLD FAN MAN]

6 minutes ago, AKB said:

"What you call negative and deeply cynical I call realistic. " - @Solid84

 

There appears to be a theme on this board where if you have what appears to be a negative, or unpopular opinion you are therefore a cynic, or pessimist, and only need to be enlightened to see the truth.

 

I think its garbage, call it what it is. BBB doing BBB things. No one calls me an optimist when I praise him for a late round steal, but let me complain about anything, and there's a riot. 

 

 

there are a few on here who dont face reality

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Just now, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Our biggest need is a shutdown corner.

And our TE room is stuffed.

  We need a fast, twitchy WR and that can easily be found in rd 3, a safety that is long term starting caliber, and a pass rusher.

We finally had a chance though to get an elite round one prospect on offense though.

[BlackTiger]

11 minutes ago, Indeee said:

If Blackmon isn't worth the squeeze, then why would we want him back at any price? Just because he is the best we have?

After looking at the FA tracker I dont see many out there that are better than him or what we have.  Cross and Harrison are not big names that people will talk about but they might be ok considering what is available.

 

Blackmon is similar to them or maybe a little better if he could stay in the game.

 

Cross, Blackmon and Harrison are all serviceable imo.  I dont think we will spend a high pick on a safety

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This team is pretty solid. Their only  big weakness is the secondary. I just wish we could of done some things to fix it before the draft so we had some experience back there.

[AKB]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

Did you know the Colts under Ballard are the only team to suffer any injuries.  A recent report revealed none of the other 31 teams suffer any serious injuries.   None. 
 

And did you know that with Ballard now going into his 8th year, the Colts are the only team never to have a winning season!   And even more astounding in that same time frame ALL the other 31 teams have each won a Super Bowl!!   It’s also true.   
 

If I can come up with any more things to blame Ballard for I’ll get back to you.   

 

You love stats, don't you? We are the 2nd most injured team in the league under Ballard's tenure

 

The Titans, Texans, and Jags have all accomplished more than us under Ballard's tenure. so let's not talk about every team, let's just talk about our division.  can we get a division dub before we talk about SuperBowl? you hyperbolize me, but the reality is still the same. 

 

 

 

 

 

[AKB]

4 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

There was a razor thin edge between finishing third and potentially winning the division last year. And this team still would have had a lot of work to do to be a real contender.

2023 — Houston Texans

2022 — Jacksonville Jaguars

2021 — Tennessee Titans

2020 — Tennessee Titans

2019 — Houston Texans

2018 — Houston Texans

2017 — Jacksonville Jaguars

2016 — Houston Texans

2015 — Houston Texans

2014 — Indianapolis Colts

 

 

but yeah, the Ballard approach is fine. 

[Superman]

Just now, AKB said:

2023 — Houston Texans

2022 — Jacksonville Jaguars

2021 — Tennessee Titans

2020 — Tennessee Titans

2019 — Houston Texans

2018 — Houston Texans

2017 — Jacksonville Jaguars

2016 — Houston Texans

2015 — Houston Texans

2014 — Indianapolis Colts

 

What's your point?

[Solid84]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

How would you guys feel about this draft: 

Love Bowers. Love Pearsall.

 

I think Melton has had a great pre-draft process, but as I understand it he's more of a nickelback, and that's probably the one thing what we don't need RIGHT NOW.

[AKB]

Just now, Superman said:

 

What's your point?

that the indianapolis colts have accomplished absolutely nothing under ballard, and that the razor edge you speak of for 2023 doesn't matter, because its been a decade of trash, and that our success last season is more indicative of Shane and not ballard. 

[DougDew]

3 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

And our TE room is stuffed.

With what? 

 

Isn't Mallory and Granson the same player?  And Woods and Ogletree the same all around type?  And MAC the blocker?

 

Its stuffed because we apparently need 5 players to play 3 roles.

 

Some of these guys were "Frank's" specialist.  I expect a shake out before pre-season.     

[RollerColt]

1 minute ago, AKB said:

that the indianapolis colts have accomplished absolutely nothing under ballard, and that the razor edge you speak of for 2023 doesn't matter, because its been a decade of trash, and that our success last season is more indicative of Shane and not ballard. 

Honestly the entire AFC South has accomplished nothing but wasting player careers and talent. 

[AKB]

Just now, RollerColt said:

Honestly the entire AFC South has accomplished nothing but wasting player careers and talent. 

Honestly, every team in the AFC south has accomplished more than us in the last decade. 

[GoColts8818]

Just now, RollerColt said:

Honestly the entire AFC South has accomplished nothing but wasting player careers and talent. 

The Titans did get to a AFCCG but I get your point.

[RollerColt]

Just now, AKB said:

Honestly, every team in the AFC south has accomplished more than us in the last decade. 

Not really that much more when you think about it.

 

Titans wasted Henry’s career, blew a 1st seed in the playoffs.

 

Texans consistently murdered in the wild card or divisional round.

 

Jags repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot despite first round picks and major free agent spending…

[AKB]

Just now, RollerColt said:

Not really that much more when you think about it.

 

Titans wasted Henry’s career, blew a 1st seed in the playoffs.

 

Texans consistently murdered in the wild card or divisional round.

 

Jags repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot despite first round picks and major free agent spending…

winning the division does matter, and teams are very vocal about it. it's the only way to guarantee a ticket to the dance. and the whole point of football is getting into the dance. 

[Iron Colt]

We are lucky to have a legit GM in Ballard. Look at the Cowboys with Judge Smales and Spalding running things. 

 

You want to talk about wasting players careets?

[GoColts8818]

Just now, RollerColt said:

Not really that much more when you think about it.

 

Titans wasted Henry’s career, blew a 1st seed in the playoffs.

 

Texans consistently murdered in the wild card or divisional round.

 

Jags repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot despite first round picks and major free agent spending…

I am sure I am in the minority here but the Jags have basically done the things Colts fans are screaming for and I think I would take Ballard’s record over what the Jags have done over the same period of time.  

[Solid84]

19 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

From saying you don’t buy the hype of Green Bay and Chicago over the Colts I thought you had a terrible day.   This just continues things.   

I have not once mentioned Green Bay or Chicago? What are you even talking about man?

 

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I know people here who are cautious about the Partridge hire, but you trashed it!  And don’t deny it!

Oh pray tell, how did I in any way trash the Partridge hire?

[AKB]

1 minute ago, Iron Colt said:

We are lucky to have a legit GM in Ballard. Look at the Cowboys with Judge Smales and Spalding running things. 

 

You want to talk about wasting players careets?

i feel like you're just comparing bad to bad. honestly. 

1 minute ago, GoColts8818 said:

I am sure I am in the minority here but the Jags have basically done the things Colts fans are screaming for and I think I would take Ballard’s record over what the Jags have done over the same period of time.  

you would take less wins, less QB stability, less division titles to sit with ballard ? wow, the jags, who woullda thought, have accomplished more than the Indianapolis colts. 

[RollerColt]

Just now, AKB said:

winning the division does matter, and teams are very vocal about it. it's the only way to guarantee a ticket to the dance. and the whole point of football is getting into the dance. 

I’m telling ya man, I’m not even a Ballard defender, I truthfully thought he was a goner after 2022 and to be honest think he should’ve been fired at that point. 
 

But what matters is what Irsay thinks. And at this point he’s probably more focused on recovering from his own demons and sickness. 
 

We’re stuck with Chris for the time being. 

[BlackTiger]

6 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Honestly the entire AFC South has accomplished nothing but wasting player careers and talent. 

 

Sad but true. 

 

We had Andrew Luck and he retired early on us smh.  The Texans had some really great talent that deserved better in Watt and Johnson.  Henry is an all time great RB that was wasted by the Titans.

[Solid84]

18 minutes ago, AKB said:

@Solid84

2021, 2nd Round Dayo Odeyingbo - rotaional piece.

 

he is my favorite on breaking out

I still very much hope Paye and Dayo turn it around. VERY much. We seriously need better pass rush. I just don't see it happening. I'll be happy if they do though.

[Superman]

11 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

"Desperate" is hyperbole, but I do think Ballard & Co expected more from the guys they drafted and this is an attempt to wring that extra production out of them.

 

What's wrong with that? Do you think the previous DL coach had been doing a good job?

 

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I don't think coaching is the problem even if that's what they are hoping. I think it's a talent issue.

 

I think coaching is a part of the problem. I've been saying that since before the 2021 season. I also think talent is a part of the problem. I can say I don't really like anything the defensive staff is doing, and I'm not a fan of the way Ballard handled the defensive roster, either. But I don't think there's anything wrong with replacing the DL coach when plenty of us think the DL is underperforming.

 

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These are just the DE/Edge guys. I don't know about you, but looking at that list and then considering we're STILL talking about trying to get more pressure and drafting/signing a guy who can create pressure leaves me sad.

 

That list is long. Feels kind of padded, unless you were expecting Gerri Green and Titus Leo to be standout pass rushers.

 

We need better pass rush. This is not something where we disagree. I've said several times that I think DE might be a blind spot for Ballard, and he'd be better off adding a veteran. In fact, that worked reasonably well, and then the young guys weren't able to fill the holes. 

 

But I think saying there's nothing to show for the investments on the DL is a stretch, right? Especially when our biggest investment on the DL is Buckner. And I didn't want to keep Stewart, but he outperformed his draft status, and lived up to his second contract. 

[AKB]

Just now, RollerColt said:

I’m telling ya man, I’m not even a Ballard defender, I truthfully thought he was a goner after 2022 and to be honest think he should’ve been fired at that point. 
 

But what matters is what Irsay thinks. And at this point he’s probably more focused on recovering from his own demons and sickness. 
 

We’re stuck with Chris for the time being. 

this is what im saying, every team's goal is the SB, and you have to make the playoffs, most teams do that via the division win because there the limited WC spots. so diviosn wins are a fair indicator of success for any GM. 

 

let me put it this way, had we won a year or two in the last decade, people would definitely use it as a point of success. so why are we not using it as a point of failure that we haven't hung a banner in a decade? 

 

lots of fans on here living in the 2000s

[RollerColt]

Does anyone really think any of the teams in our division stand a chance against Kansas in the playoffs? I don’t. 
 

Be happy to be proven wrong this season, but I think we’ll be witnessed a first in history 3-peat. 

[AKB]

Just now, RollerColt said:

Does anyone really think any of the teams in our division stand a chance against Kansas in the playoffs? I don’t. 
 

Be happy to be proven wrong this season, but I think we’ll be witnessed a first in history 3-peat. 

right now, if i had to bet everything I own on a team beating KC today, it would be HOU 

[Superman]

10 minutes ago, AKB said:

that the indianapolis colts have accomplished absolutely nothing under ballard, and that the razor edge you speak of for 2023 doesn't matter, because its been a decade of trash, and that our success last season is more indicative of Shane and not ballard. 

 

So absolutely no relevance to my post that you quoted. What did you think my point was?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Hopefully this means Blackmon could be back.

 

 

[RollerColt]

Just now, AKB said:

right now, if i had to bet everything I own on a team beating KC today, it would be HOU 

I think CJ is a fine QB so far. But I don’t think he’s at the level to really scare KC. Yet.
 

Hell I’m a Bengals fan and I’m scratching my head seeing so many people claiming Burrow will unseat them… 

 

Back to Ballard: I agree he should be measured in division wins and titles. But for now it doesn’t seem like his boss is that worried about it. 

[AKB]

2 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

So absolutely no relevance to my post that you quoted. What did you think my point was?

it is relevant because you mentioned almost winning the division by a razor's edge. so then I just felt like reminding everyone that what you said we almost did, we haven't done in a decade. does it bother you more that I quoted you or does it bother you more than we haven't won our division in 10 years

1 minute ago, RollerColt said:

I think CJ is a fine QB so far. But I don’t think he’s at the level to really scare KC. Yet.
 

Hell I’m a Bengals fan and I’m scratching my head seeing so many people claiming Burrow will unseat them… 

 

Back to Ballard: I agree he should be measured in division wins and titles. But for now it doesn’t seem like his boss is that worried about it. 

just in terms of roster right now, I think that's why I picked them , I guess that includes CJ, but I do like AR, also I think irsay is worried about it, that's why everybody got fired. the next guy is ballard. 

[Solid84]

11 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Honestly the entire AFC South has accomplished nothing but wasting player careers and talent. 

There's a lot of truth in this. This division has been bad for too long. Hopefully we see that change this season.

[Superman]

4 minutes ago, AKB said:

let me put it this way, had we won a year or two in the last decade, people would definitely use it as a point of success.

 

I'm actually saying the opposite about 2023. I'm already on record about this. It would have been nice to win the division last year with a backup QB, but there's still significant distance between this team and real contenders. Winning a weak division after beating up on bad QBs all year wouldn't have changed that.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Wrong thread 

[AKB]

Just now, Solid84 said:

There's a lot of truth in this. This division has been bad for too long. Hopefully we see that change this season.

im not saying the AFC south has dominated the NFL playoff scene, my point is that every other AFC south team has accomplished more in the last decade by definition because they all have a division win and we do not.