Dustin Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/418558583911882752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Can't wait to see Gerald McCoy in that defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Ooooo! I like this hire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girlzarefanstoo Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 For VJ's sake I hope they get some better coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I'm sure Lovie Smith will get the Dungy comparisons with the Bucs. Good fit. Outside the Lions, the Bucs were the best fit for Lovie Smith. Looks like Leslie Frazier, an old Dungy and Lovie friend will coach the D . Makes a lot of sense. Now, if they can get some good CBs to go with Revis, that D can do a few things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Lovie is a great hire for them, and is actually set up better with this team than he was with the Bears in the later years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I'm sure Lovie Smith will get the Dungy comparisons with the Bucs. Good fit. Outside the Lions, the Bucs were the best fit for Lovie Smith. Looks like Leslie Frazier, an old Dungy and Lovie friend will coach the D . Makes a lot of sense. Now, if they can get some good CBs to go with Revis, that D can do a few things.True. ..and word up here is that the Bears' Julius Peppers and Devon Hester may be released (Hester is at the end of his deal) so look for them in Tampa... Lovie ran a more aggressive variation of Dungy';s cover-2 defense in Tampa...and they stripped the ball like crazy... Lokk at the cornersr they already have...you think Lovie can use D. Revis? They may be weak on offense..but defensively, there's a new NFC sherriff in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 True. ..and word up here is that the Bears' Julius Peppers and Devon Hester may be released (Hester is at the end of his deal) so look for them in Tampa... Lovie ran a more aggressive variation of Dungy';s cover-2 defense in Tampa...and they stripped the ball like crazy... Lokk at the cornersr they already have...you think Lovie can use D. Revis? They may be weak on offense..but defensively, there's a new NFC sherriff in town. He can. Revis is the best man AND zone corner in the NFL. Problem is that you don't pay a zone corner that much money ($16,000,000). Either Lovie adapts to Revis or the Bucs should trade him away. He has no guaranteed money on his contract so I don't think they'd take a hit (Superman could correct me on that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Does any other non-QB in the NFL make that much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Does any other non-QB in the NFL make that much Calvin Johnson makes 16.5MM a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21isSuperman Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Does any other non-QB in the NFL make that muchMario Williams is in that area too and I think Larry Fitzgerald is making around $14 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 What does Adrian Peterson make? I dont have any idea.... (and when will he be a free agent ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 He can. Revis is the best man AND zone corner in the NFL. Problem is that you don't pay a zone corner that much money ($16,000,000). Either Lovie adapts to Revis or the Bucs should trade him away. He has no guaranteed money on his contract so I don't think they'd take a hit (Superman could correct me on that) You are correct, with some caveats. Revis has a $1.5m roster bonus due on the third day of the 2014 league year (which begins March 11, so the bonus is due March 13). If they cut or trade him before that date, there's no cap penalty. If they cut or trade him after that date, they'd have a cap penalty of $1.5m for 2014. He also has a workout bonus, due once he participates in a certain number of offseason workouts. If they cut or trade him after he reaches that mark, they'd have an additional cap penalty of $1.5m in 2014, for a total of $3m. If they cut or trade him at any point after the regular season starts (which is highly unlikely), they'd have an additional cap penalty at a prorated amount, based on how many games he's played for them at the point of the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I don't get this decision. Not anything against Lovie, though I don't think he's that good of a coach. But why not hire a GM first? They have a director of football administration and a director of player personnel, but I'm assuming they're going to hire a GM that they all report to. Why not hire the GM, then conduct an exhaustive search for a head coach? I guess they REALLY wanted Lovie Smith... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I'm guessing there's no time If you want a name coach..and he's not in the post-season...you better sign him while you can.. He's well like in Tampa from his time there before and Bears player still swear by him,,not at him like Buc smay have done with Schiano ..but you are right...they'll hire a GM who's stuck with Lovie for some time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 They built themselves one hell of a staff there. They've got Lovie at the top, with Marinelli at DC and Tedford at OC. That's a good group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Now I;m seeing on the NFL Net that the old Bears GM Gerry Angelo is in line to go to Tampa, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Now I;m seeing on the NFL Net that the old Bears GM Gerry Angelo is in line to go to Tampa, too Ah, that explains it. I heard that the other day as well, and just forgot. They're basically recreating the Bears, with Tedford instead of the clowns the Bears had running the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markabrown96 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 He was the LB coach there before. I'm sure he will enjoy having Lavonte David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pombi9 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Interesting, I wonder if Frazier will follow him to Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imped Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Lovie seems like an absolutely natural fit in TB. Looking forward to seeing what they can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 True. ..and word up here is that the Bears' Julius Peppers and Devon Hester may be released (Hester is at the end of his deal) so look for them in Tampa... Lovie ran a more aggressive variation of Dungy';s cover-2 defense in Tampa...and they stripped the ball like crazy... Lokk at the cornersr they already have...you think Lovie can use D. Revis? They may be weak on offense..but defensively, there's a new NFC sherriff in town. Tim Jennings is a free agent, chances are he heads to the Bucs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amfootball Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Perfect fit IMO but he has to get a QB. Same issue he had in Chicago. But that defense is solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lollygagger8 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Since Chicago just inked Crybaby Cutler for 7 years, Maybe Lovie can lure McCown over from the da Bears. Bucs need a QB bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPats Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I don't get this decision. Not anything against Lovie, though I don't think he's that good of a coach. But why not hire a GM first? They have a director of football administration and a director of player personnel, but I'm assuming they're going to hire a GM that they all report to. Why not hire the GM, then conduct an exhaustive search for a head coach? I guess they REALLY wanted Lovie Smith... This has GOT to make the GM job a lot less desirable now. The biggest thing you get to do as a GM, other than draft, is hire a coach. But I agree with you also in that I'm not all that sold on Lovie Smith. I know he took a Rex Grossman team to a Super Bowl, but sometimes coaches succeed in spite of themselves. Those Chicago defenses had some serious talent. But overall, as a team, they never did all that much that impressed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamthyst Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Good hire for them, will definitely benefit the defense tons. Contrary to others, though, I think Glennon will be fine in Tampa, just get the right OC for Lovie's style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Tim Jennings is a free agent, chances are he heads to the Bucs too. The Bears have Jennings locked up to a four year deal. Was just announced along with the Cutler deal. Matt Slauson, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 This has GOT to make the GM job a lot less desirable now. The biggest thing you get to do as a GM, other than draft, is hire a coach. But I agree with you also in that I'm not all that sold on Lovie Smith. I know he took a Rex Grossman team to a Super Bowl, but sometimes coaches succeed in spite of themselves. Those Chicago defenses had some serious talent. But overall, as a team, they never did all that much that impressed me. Assuming the Bucs hire Jerry Angelo, it all makes sense. If not, then we obviously agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 They built themselves one hell of a staff there. They've got Lovie at the top, with Marinelli at DC and Tedford at OC. That's a good group. Has Marinelli been confirmed? Last article I read indicated Lovie wants to reach out to Marinelli *if* the Cowboys grant him permission to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Has Marinelli been confirmed? Last article I read indicated Lovie wants to reach out to Marinelli *if* the Cowboys grant him permission to do so. The Cowboys don't know what they want to do with the defense. Assuming they get rid of Kiffin, it makes sense to let Marinelli walk. Unless they want Marinelli to run their defense, which has also been mentioned. I would think Marinelli would prefer to go back to Tampa, but who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 The Cowboys don't know what they want to do with the defense. Assuming they get rid of Kiffin, it makes sense to let Marinelli walk. Unless they want Marinelli to run their defense, which has also been mentioned. I would think Marinelli would prefer to go back to Tampa, but who knows... Honestly I'm not sure which franchise is a bigger mess between Cleveland and Dallas. I don't know why they didn't expect their defense to be a mess. It was going to take some time to be able to switch from their long running 3-4 to a cover/tampa 2 defense. At least one year of struggle should have been assumed. Now are they giving up on it and going back to the 3-4? Who knows. Maybe they think Marinelli would run it better than Kiffin? I don't see why they would bring Kiffin in for just one year unless he was brought in to build the foundation of the new defense and then let Marinelli take over. *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Honestly I'm not sure which franchise is a bigger mess between Cleveland and Dallas. I don't know why they didn't expect their defense to be a mess. It was going to take some time to be able to switch from their long running 3-4 to a cover/tampa 2 defense. At least one year of struggle should have been assumed. Now are they giving up on it and going back to the 3-4? Who knows. Maybe they think Marinelli would run it better than Kiffin? I don't see why they would bring Kiffin in for just one year unless he was brought in to build the foundation of the new defense and then let Marinelli take over. *shrug* They shouldn't have hired Kiffin to begin with. I don't know if they're going back to a 3-4, necessarily, but Kiffin has to go, IMO. I think Marinelli would run that base defense better than Kiffin did, more like how he ran it in Chicago with Lovie, getting the best out of guys like Tillman and Jennings. And the Cowboys have Marinelli's rights, unless he gets hired as a head coach somewhere. They don't have to let him go to be someone else's assistant, even though it's technically a promotion from position coach to coordinator. So if they want to continue with this transition, but feel the need to have someone else running the show, Marinelli is the perfect candidate. And they could strong-arm him into staying if they really wanted, and it wouldn't really be all that bad of a situation for him (aside from having to work for Jerry Jones). Whoever takes that defense over is going to make it better, and they're already a year into the transition. The Cowboys have players -- Ware, Lee, Carr, Claiborne -- and can be a good defense. They just can't play the outdated Kiffin Cover 2. So I think it's 50/50. If the Cowboys decide to hire someone else as coordinator, they'll probably let Marinelli leave and he'll go to Tampa. But they haven't even fired Kiffin yet, so who knows what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 http://www.nfl.com/videos/tampa-bay-buccaneers/0ap2000000308127/Details-on-Lovie-Smith-going-to-Tampa Apparently, the Bucs had to act fast because he was high on the Lions' list , just like I thought he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000308820/article/leslie-frazier-to-be-buccaneers-defensive-coordinator Guess it's Leslie Frazier, not Rod Marinelli, going to Tampa to run the defense. Kind of the same thing, I suppose. Maybe the Cowboys will promote Marinelli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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