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Given that Sylvester Williams is likely off the board at 24, D. Jones looks like the next best thing, and is probably the best interior pass rusher not named Shariff Floyd.  Being on the light side, he doesn't command the premium draft position of others but his athleticism and production are off the charts.  Wouldn't shock me if the real pros value him more highly than mock's have.

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I seen this too, but I don't agree with him. He's quite a bit smaller than our other DE's and IMO would have to get stronger to play a 2 gap DE in our system. I see him fitting a one gap 3-4 like the Texans play more than our's.

What I seen hes 6ft 4" 283

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I seen this too, but I don't agree with him. He's quite a bit smaller than our other DE's and IMO would have to get stronger to play a 2 gap DE in our system. I see him fitting a one gap 3-4 like the Texans play more than our's.

 

I wouldn't overlook that our most prevalent nickel package doesn't look much like a 2 gap system - and we are in this look a lot.  I also wouldn't overlook Jones' potential in the Cory Redding role as an every down player, especially since he is likely to add 5-15 pounds in the NFL over time.  Redding was listed at 280 # coming out of college himself.

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What I seen hes 6ft 4" 283

I think we need the 300+ guys, but this kid is tough.  I went back and forth with Gavin yesterday about Tank Carradine who is 276....

 

To me it depends on how much we disguise the 4-3....

 

As you know Jay, I am all for disguise  but really want to see how the 3-4 kicks in with square pegs in square holes instead of the square/round scenarios.

 

As I said with Gavin, I trust Grigson's decision to go BPA for us, and I will root Jones or Carradine on... analyze and discuss.  

 

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What I seen hes 6ft 4" 283

 

I seen him listed at 277 which is 18 lbs smaller than any of our other DE's. He could definitely get bigger though, but I still think if Cooper is sitting there, thats who we'll take.

I wouldn't overlook that our most prevalent nickel package doesn't look much like a 2 gap system - and we are in this look a lot.  I also wouldn't overlook Jones' potential in the Cory Redding role as an every down player, especially since he is likely to add 5-15 pounds in the NFL over time.  Redding was listed at 280 # coming out of college himself.

 

 

Yeah, he can definitely add some size and get stronger. I'm not ruling him out, I just think there will be better value to us sitting there at 24 than another DE. JMO!

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I believe he was 283 at the combine.....

 

I don't know about the 1-gap vs. 2-gap issue....

 

But I'll say the same thing I've said about other players....

 

If he's there and Grigson takes him,  I'm fine with it.    If he's there and Grigson passes,  I'm fine with it too....

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I trust Grigs and Pagano on the decision making,think Pagano knows exactly what he wants and needs and will work in his system

I guess I still have man-star on the brain...Jessie...32 inch arms Williams......to have 2 D-linemen demanding double teams....would simply be incredible to watch in a true 3-4.

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I guess I still have man-star on the brain...Jessie...32 inch arms Williams......to have 2 D-linemen demanding double teams....would simply be incredible to watch in a true 3-4.

I went through a Jesse Williams phase myself.  In fact, would still be excited if he was deemed worthy.  However, I've started to see his skill set as much less rare than someone like S. Williams or D. Jones that have demonstrated legitimate interior pass rush explosion. There is a reason why veteran run stuffers are only commanding 1-3 million on the free agent market.  You need 'em but they all start to look alike.  If Jesse Williams is the choice, my hope is that they believe he can offer some Ngata like pass rush ability with development.  Not sure that there is a 1st round future for any D linemen that don't offer some pass rush upside.

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I went through a Jesse Williams phase myself.  In fact, would still be excited if he was deemed worthy.  However, I've started to see his skill set as much less rare than someone like S. Williams or D. Jones that have demonstrated legitimate interior pass rush explosion. There is a reason why veteran run stuffers are only commanding 1-3 million on the free agent market.  You need 'em but they all start to look alike.  If Jesse Williams is the choice, my hope is that they believe he can offer some Ngata like pass rush ability with development.  Not sure that there is a 1st round future for any D linemen that don't offer some pass rush upside.

Would love to have Williams myself
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I went through a Jesse Williams phase myself.  In fact, would still be excited if he was deemed worthy.  However, I've started to see his skill set as much less rare than someone like S. Williams or D. Jones that have demonstrated legitimate interior pass rush explosion. There is a reason why veteran run stuffers are only commanding 1-3 million on the free agent market.  You need 'em but they all start to look alike.  If Jesse Williams is the choice, my hope is that they believe he can offer some Ngata like pass rush ability with development.  Not sure that there is a 1st round future for any D linemen that don't offer some pass rush upside.

This post is well taken Z.  

 

I may be a purist when it comes to 3-4 discussion.  I like the 3-4 DTs to stand em up and provide push, but clog the line of scrimmage to the utmost of their abilities....  Then bring the heat from all angles.  Not stopping the run for over 2 decades has me  starving for stopping the MJDs....that KILL us.

 

I also know Pagano likes to disguise the 4-3 in there as well, and players such as Jones and Carradine seem capable of being that player.  I like the thought of turning the Sidbury beast loose too :)  My biggest hope is to see Josh McNary give a militaristic effort to making this team....what a story!!!

 

Sorry this was so long, but I do agree with you....just hungry for Bigs....I am as open minded with this GM than I have ever been!!!  Thanks for the reply!! :colts:  :colts:  :colts:

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This post is well taken Z.  

 

I may be a purist when it comes to 3-4 discussion.  I like the 3-4 DTs to stand em up and provide push, but clog the line of scrimmage to the utmost of their abilities....  Then bring the heat from all angles.  Not stopping the run for over 2 decades has me  starving for stopping the MJDs....that KILL us.

 

I also know Pagano likes to disguise the 4-3 in there as well, and players such as Jones and Carradine seem capable of being that player.  I like the thought of turning the Sidbury beast loose too :)  My biggest hope is to see Josh McNary give a militaristic effort to making this team....what a story!!!

 

Sorry this was so long, but I do agree with you....just hungry for Bigs....I am as open minded with this GM than I have ever been!!!  Thanks for the reply!! :colts:  :colts:  :colts:

I don't post much....but I always read and enjoy your stuff!

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This post is well taken Z.  

 

I may be a purist when it comes to 3-4 discussion.  I like the 3-4 DTs to stand em up and provide push, but clog the line of scrimmage to the utmost of their abilities....  Then bring the heat from all angles.  Not stopping the run for over 2 decades has me  starving for stopping the MJDs....that KILL us.

 

I also know Pagano likes to disguise the 4-3 in there as well, and players such as Jones and Carradine seem capable of being that player.  I like the thought of turning the Sidbury beast loose too :)  My biggest hope is to see Josh McNary give a militaristic effort to making this team....what a story!!!

 

Sorry this was so long, but I do agree with you....just hungry for Bigs....I am as open minded with this GM than I have ever been!!!  Thanks for the reply!! :colts:  :colts:  :colts:

Agreed Brent you know I want him to make the team,Im really glad they have chosen to give him the opportunity and I know its not a gift they see something here
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I don't post much....but I always read and enjoy your stuff!

Thank you very much!  I liked your post here, and we have exciting times ahead.  

 

I think you should post more when you have time.  It is great to see guys that love football and understand the game.  Thanks again!!! :thmup:  :thmup:

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Thank you very much!  I liked your post here, and we have exciting times ahead.  

 

I think you should post more when you have time.  It is great to see guys that love football and understand the game.  Thanks again!!! :thmup:  :thmup:

I had a little spare time today...but I get way too wrapped up in it if I make a steady diet of it.  Completely addicted to the Colts.

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I've never been on the Jesse Williams bandwagon....    two reasons...

 

One....   I don't see enough pass rush.    If we're taking a DL high,  then I'm looking for some pass rush.

 

Two....   I think he's more NT than he is DE....   and I definitely do NOT want to spend a #1 on a NT.    I hear he can play some DE in a 3-4 scheme...  but it's not his best position.   

 

So....   for those reasons he's never been a first round consideration for me.

 

If we trade back and take him in the 2nd round,  then I'd be more comfortable with that....

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Agreed Brent you know I want him to make the team,Im really glad they have chosen to give him the opportunity and I know its not a gift they see something here

To me Jay...I know we are off of your topic, this kid at 250???  Where the heck is it?  MUSCLE!  The kid is a bad a**!!

 

Freeman was an unknown.  McNary...almost made All American at Army!   I know I am nuts, but I almost wish he was 225 or 230 and converted to safety!  WOW!  

 

I am rooting for him big time.  I am soooo impressed he signed just because we wanted him...  :pass:

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One thing that stuck out on Jones was he seems quick,his pursuit was very good,didnt seem to be one to give up on a play

Jones was in one of the first mocks I studied, and I kept seeing his stock rise.  He went up to around 10 or 11 at one point.  I will not be upset in the least with the pick...definitely a pass rusher.  I like him!

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To me Jay...I know we are off of your topic, this kid at 250???  Where the heck is it?  MUSCLE!  The kid is a bad a**!!

 

Freeman was an unknown.  McNary...almost made All American at Army!   I know I am nuts, but I almost wish he was 225 or 230 and converted to safety!  WOW!  

 

I am rooting for him big time.  I am soooo impressed he signed just because we wanted him...  :pass:

Outta likes but right on,its gotta be muscle,think hes a big supprise waiting to happen

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I've never been on the Jesse Williams bandwagon....    two reasons...

 

One....   I don't see enough pass rush.    If we're taking a DL high,  then I'm looking for some pass rush.

 

Two....   I think he's more NT than he is DE....   and I definitely do NOT want to spend a #1 on a NT.    I hear he can play some DE in a 3-4 scheme...  but it's not his best position.   

 

So....   for those reasons he's never been a first round consideration for me.

 

If we trade back and take him in the 2nd round,  then I'd be more comfortable with that....

I am liking your trade back ideas more and more....See, I told everyone I had an open mind when it was not closed :)

 

I am rooting for QBs to be taken early....I feel we could get active.  I would really love more picks.

 

As to Williams, I love the immovable object.  As I said above, I starve for a defense that is unpredictable, and will stuff the run....I feel our LBs are underrated in their pass rushing skills....Conner is vastly mis-used....the kid can HIT....best run defender we have...I want to see him hit the QB.  This is so fun to discuss!!!

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I had a little spare time today...but I get way too wrapped up in it if I make a steady diet of it.  Completely addicted to the Colts.

Good for you.  Glad you were aboard for some fun!!  I think....UH UH...I may be ready for the draft.......I think this board is bored with mocks.... :spit:

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Good for you.  Glad you were aboard for some fun!!  I think....UH UH...I may be read for the draft.......I think this board is bored with mocks.... :spit:

You know me IMO they are always boring and a waste of time,but to each his own,some just more easily entertained than I am :thmup:

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You know me IMO they are always boring and a waste of time,but to each his own,some just more easily entertained than I am :thmup:

I hate to say it, but I always said I would not get crazy on mocks, but I did.  I am still thinking of throwing one on warhorses post....Nah....

 

In the words of one Silas Robertson....'Homey don't play dat.'

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