AR vs Young vs Stroud vs Levis

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

I won’t deny that Luck had a better supporting cast compared to Levis. But he as the QB still had to get the job done and play his position well. And he did that to get the team to 11-5. A team that went 2-14 the year before. 
 

Comparing Will to a once in a lifetime type of prospect in Luck is unfair to Will. 

If Luck would have had Henry in 2012, Colts probably at worse go to the AFC Title Game the way we were playing. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

In other news, Stroud is now out too. It continues, doesn't matter if you are a QB that runs a lot or not. Stroud is a pure pocket passer and just got concussed like AR did.

[chad72]

We went through this with Brady and Peyton. Folks don’t need to put down AR to praise Stroud or Levis, and vice versa. Just appreciate good QB play 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

9 minutes ago, chad72 said:

We went through this with Brady and Peyton. Folks don’t need to put down AR to praise Stroud or Levis, and vice versa. Just appreciate good QB play 

Exactly. Can we just say they are all good.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Mr only concern is Richardson missing this year and being behind after Levis and Stroyd played all year.

[Tsarquise]

Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Mr only concern is Richardson missing this year and being behind after Levis and Stroyd played all year.

Levis and Strouds development has nothing to do with AR. 

 

AR missing this season was bad regardless of Levis and Steroids progress. 

[husker61]

Levis just put Tenn on his back and beat Miami! I will stick to my opinion that he is better than Richardson now and will be in the future. That doesn’t mean I hope richardson fails. I just think Levis has shown me everything I would like to see in a nfl qb, Richardson hasn’t yet.

[Boondoggle]

Levis was excellent in that game.  Command at the LOS and resilient.  Made big throws all night.  But that resilience in how he played after the pick six is annoying to me.  I was expecting to enjoy a nice night of him misfiring.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

4 minutes ago, Tsarquise said:

Levis and Strouds development has nothing to do with AR. 

 

AR missing this season was bad regardless of Levis and Steroids progress. 

You’re missing the point.  It’s about playing in moments llike tonight. You learn from games like Levis had tonight. You have to play to get better in these moments. Richardson is missing these repa that the other two are playing and learning through.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

3 minutes ago, husker61 said:

Levis just put Tenn on his back and beat Miami! I will stick to my opinion that he is better than Richardson now and will be in the future. That doesn’t mean I hope richardson fails. I just think Levis has shown me everything I would like to see in a nfl qb, Richardson hasn’t yet.

You can say Levis looked good without putting down Anthony.

[Boondoggle]

3 minutes ago, husker61 said:

Levis just put Tenn on his back and beat Miami! I will stick to my opinion that he is better than Richardson now and will be in the future. That doesn’t mean I hope richardson fails. I just think Levis has shown me everything I would like to see in a nfl qb, Richardson hasn’t yet.

I wanted Levis as well but that doesn't mean I am willing to root for the guy to do well.  Being right when your team didn't take that player is an empty place to be.

[husker61]

Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

You’re missing the point.  It’s about playing in moments llike tonight. You learn from games like Levis had tonight. You have to play to get better in these moments/

I was watching the game the mannings were calling. Both of them and cousins said the exact same thing.

 

peyton also likes levis. 2006, now you can criticize Peyton also.

[chad72]

Just now, Boondoggle said:

Levis was excellent in that game.  Command at the LOS and resilient.  Made big throws all night.  But that resilience in how he played after the pick six is annoying to me.  I was expecting to enjoy a nice night of him misfiring.

I don’t have to root for him to fail, Levis that is. He suffered the same thing Jordan Love suffered, a good junior year followed by key staff and players leaving in the senior year. So Love dropped to No.26 and Levis fell to the 2nd round in an overreaction, IMO.

 

AR was drafted with a low floor high ceiling expectations for 3 plus years like Lamar Jackson but with less starting experience. Both Stroud and Levis had higher floors, IMO but all their ceilings can’t be measured till their first 3 years in the league are over, IMO.

[husker61]

1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

You can say Levis looked good without putting down Anthony.

how did I put him dawn?

[Boondoggle]

Just now, chad72 said:

I don’t have to root for him to fail, Levis that is. He suffered the same thing Jordan Love suffered, a good junior year followed by key staff and players leaving in the senior year. So Love dropped to No.26 and Levis fell to the 2nd round in an overreaction, IMO.

 

AR was drafted with a low floor high ceiling expectations for 3 plus years like Lamar Jackson but with less starting experience. Both Stroud and Levis had higher floors, IMO but all their ceilings can’t be measured till their first 3 years in the league are over, IMO.

I am well aware of how it went down chad.  Said over and over that Stroud & Levis were the top two.  But all I am feeling right now is extreme irritation.  This is going to be the gift that keeps on giving to watch those two with division rivals.

 

So AR absolutely HAS TO be great for us.  He has to.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Levis fits in perfectly with Vrables. Lunch bucket personality.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Ok, this is what I would call a great game by Levis, basically great 2nd half. Kid showed heart, took hits, and had some great passes in crunch time when it mattered. Great signature win for him. It is his night, Proud of the kid. At least I know when I see a great game, his 4th Qtr was beautiful football. 

[chad72]

9 minutes ago, Boondoggle said:

I am well aware of how it went down chad.  Said over and over that Stroud & Levis were the top two.  But all I am feeling right now is extreme irritation.  This is going to be the gift that keeps on giving to watch those two with division rivals.

 

So AR absolutely HAS TO be great for us.  He has to.

Here’s the thing I’m most worried about, Ballard. While the Titans drafted A J Brown, we felt what we had was good enough then. I’m hoping he realizes he needs to get more help for AR because I see the Jaguars getting Kirk, Ridley, Engram etc., Texans drafting Tank Dell and pretty soon more help for Stroud, and similar things I expect from Titans beyond Hopkins. Ballard has been the consistent stubborn one that I hope changes because he has to, that’s when AR can be very good, and doesn’t think what we have is enough.
 

But let’s not overreact to 1 or 2 games of a rookie QB though. Stroud has put up more on the table than any other rookie QB so far. The second half of AR against the Rams was stellar, the way Levis’ fourth quarter versus Dolphins was. Thanks to Bradley, Rams won in OT, while Titans punched the Dolphins in the mouth and won. So the W can distract.  

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

3 minutes ago, chad72 said:

Here’s the thing I’m most worried about, Ballard. While the Titans drafted A J Brown, we felt what we had was good enough then. I’m hoping he realizes he needs to get more help for AR because I see the Jaguars getting Kirk, Ridley, Engram etc., Texans drafting Tank Dell and pretty soon more help for Stroud, and similar things I expect from Titans. Ballard has been the consistent stubborn one that I hope changes because he has to, that’s when AR can be very good, and doesn’t think what we have is enough.
 

But let’s not overreact to 1 or 2 games of a rookie QB though. Stroud has put up more on the table than any other rookie QB so far. The second half of AR against the Rams was stellar, the way Levis’ fourth quarter versus Dolphins was. Thanks to Bradley, Rams won in OT, while Titans punched the Dolphins in the mouth and won.

To be fair dell and downs were both drafted in the 3rd. They are very similar.

[chad72]

Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

To be fair dell and downs were both drafted in the 3rd. They are very similar.

We still need a playmaker at WR or TE. Dell is a TY like burner, Downs is slot elusive Welker/Edelman type.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Just now, chad72 said:

We still need a playmaker at WR or TE.

All I am saying you said Texans got dell. Well we got downs too. So Ballard didn’t fail to get a WR. You seemed to say there Ballard failed while Texans didn’t. That’s not the case because they were taken very close to each other.

[Tsarquise]

13 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

You can say Levis looked good without putting down Anthony.

Im not missing the point, of course it's bad that AR is missing the season; he is missing valuable experience, which he needed more than any of the QBs. 

 

It just seemed like you're more concerned about the race/comp between the rookie QBs.

 

Anyway, I get what you mean. 

[chad72]

1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

All I am saying you said Texans got dell. Well we got downs too. So Ballard didn’t fail to get a WR. You seemed to say there Ballard failed while Texans didn’t. That’s not the case because they were taken very close to each other.

This off season will tell me more who is more aggressive to improve their teams. Steichen hopefully has more influence on help brought in.

[Tsarquise]

13 minutes ago, Boondoggle said:

I am well aware of how it went down chad.  Said over and over that Stroud & Levis were the top two.  But all I am feeling right now is extreme irritation.  This is going to be the gift that keeps on giving to watch those two with division rivals.

 

So AR absolutely HAS TO be great for us.  He has to.

Yeah, it will be really bad if AR is a bust and we have to watch those two for years. 

 

The way things have gone for the Colts for almost the last decade, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened lol.

[chad72]

7 minutes ago, Tsarquise said:

Yeah, it will be really bad if AR is a bust and we have to watch those two for years. 

 

The way things have gone for the Colts for almost the last decade, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened lol.

It’s never ending though, the quest for QB and playoff success. 
 

You have a guy like Lamar Jackson, Big Ben is around for a while, then Lamar wins MVP, the next step is expected. Burrow comes in, 2 years later he’s in the SB with better skill positions and roster construction with his rookie contract, but now they want more from Burrow too   Since Mahomes won it in his rookie contract years first, expectations have gone up.

 

One thing is for certain, Ballard has to maximize the rookie contract window. We just forget it took Peyton 9 years to get to and win one. Nowadays expectations are somewhat unrealistic from these QBs on rookie contracts.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

5 minutes ago, Tsarquise said:

Im not missing the point, of course it's bad that AR is missing the season; he is missing valuable experience, which he needed more than any of the QBs. 

 

It just seemed like you're more concerned about the race/comp between the rookie QBs.

 

Anyway, I get what you mean. 

No I was just meaning that Levis and stroud starting next year might be slightly ahead of Richardson because they got to play this year and Richardson missed. Wasn’t comparing. Irs just  sad Richardson is missing this  valuable  playing time and has to basically start over next season/

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

6 minutes ago, Tsarquise said:

Yeah, it will be really bad if AR is a bust and we have to watch those two for years. 

 

The way things have gone for the Colts for almost the last decade, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened lol.

The kid can play. I am not worried about Richardson being good. I get fans worried about injuries after this year. But just remember there have been rookies hurt in the past and are now going to Hall of fame. Stafford overcame them.. 

[husker61]

Before the draft I wanted the colts to draft the top rush end or dt if they were available, if not trade down and maybe a top qb drops for some reason because it seems to happen a lot. I didn’t like drafting Richardson that high because all he showed in college was what he could be. That’s not enough for me, I want to see a lot more to use that high of a pick on a qb. As a colts fan it will suck if it turns out to be a bad pick. I would gladly admit I was wrong!

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

6 minutes ago, husker61 said:

Before the draft I wanted the colts to draft the top rush end or dt if they were available, if not trade down and maybe a top qb drops for some reason because it seems to happen a lot. I didn’t like drafting Richardson that high because all he showed in college was what he could be. That’s not enough for me, I want to see a lot more to use that high of a pick on a qb. As a colts fan it will suck if it turns out to be a bad pick. I would gladly admit I was wrong!

The only way it will be a bad pick is if he can’t stay healthy.  We seen enough to know he is going to be good. I was even shocked at how good he was with such little college experience.

[Superman]

56 minutes ago, chad72 said:

While the Titans drafted A J Brown, we felt what we had was good enough then.

 

We actually drafted Parris Campbell that year, and signed Devin Funchess. Luck retired before the season started, Campbell suddenly couldn't stay healthy, and Funchess got hurt in Week 1 and never played for us again. 

 

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I’m hoping he realizes he needs to get more help for AR

 

Agreed for sure. I think people are overly critical of Pierce, but I still don't want Ballard to sit back and not upgrade the WR position this offseason. There are a couple of potential FAs that we should have our eye on, and the draft is promising as well.

[Superman]

Levis was really good at the end of the game tonight. It was looking pretty rough for most of the game, he sailed a lot of throws and was pretty inaccurate. But his pocket presence looks a lot better than it did a few weeks ago, he's a little more decisive, and even when I think he holds the ball too long, it seems like he has his eyes down field and isn't panicking. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

7 minutes ago, Superman said:

Levis was really good at the end of the game tonight. It was looking pretty rough for most of the game, he sailed a lot of throws and was pretty inaccurate. But his pocket presence looks a lot better than it did a few weeks ago, he's a little more decisive, and even when I think he holds the ball too long, it seems like he has his eyes down field and isn't panicking. 

I thought Levis played great when it counted. See I am fair and I don't say someone played bad just to being saying it without facts or because i don't like them. If someone plays bad I say so and have facts to back it up. if someone plays great I say so as well. Hats off to Levis tonight. It is pretty obvious to anyone that has watched football for 20/30/40 years who plays bad, average, good, or great. Some in here just like to argue for no reason. I guess this also means we beat a decent team when we beat Tennessee. I am actually shocked they are 5-8, but I will take it lol.

 

 

[Dunk]

So far all of the Guys have impressed me with the exception of Young, but he's on an awful team.

From everything I was reading and hearing pre and post draft, I figured AR would throw 4 picks in his first game, but he made good decisions with the ball. Small sample size but I was pleased.

 

[ADnum1]

7 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

No I was just meaning that Levis and stroud starting next year might be slightly ahead of Richardson because they got to play this year and Richardson missed. Wasn’t comparing. Irs just  sad Richardson is missing this  valuable  playing time and has to basically start over next season/

Slightly ahead ?

 

I think way ahead.

[Solid84]

If Levis takes off like Stroud this thread will get ugly next season.

[Dingus McGirt]

6 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I thought Levis played great when it counted. See I am fair and I don't say someone played bad just to being saying it without facts or because i don't like them. If someone plays bad I say so and have facts to back it up. if someone plays great I say so as well. Hats off to Levis tonight. It is pretty obvious to anyone that has watched football for 20/30/40 years who plays bad, average, good, or great. Some in here just like to argue for no reason. I guess this also means we beat a decent team when we beat Tennessee. I am actually shocked they are 5-8, but I will take it lol.

 

 

You forgot us "/50/60" fellers.  LOLOL

[Dingus McGirt]

I don't like the Titans. Never have, never will.  But, I must say - I'm very happy for Will Levis. His gutsy showing last night was a pleasure to watch.  So much unwarranted grief piled on him this past year.  

 

Tommy DeVito made me smile also.

 

Just some early morning rumination.

[DougDew]

7 hours ago, Superman said:

and even when I think he holds the ball too long, it seems like he has his eyes down field and isn't panicking.

I've thought that since his first game.  I think he would benefit from taking off running a little sooner, both in converting plays and making himself more of a running threat.

 

Like most QBs, he benefited when the defense seemed to be in prevent mode.  His receivers were actually open.  Before that, he was having to throw into a lot of tight windows.  

 

He looks like the makings of a good QB.  He needs more help on offense, IMO.

[DougDew]

Week 14:

 

Young: 13/36, 137: 0 TD, 0 INT, Sack 4, RTG 48

Stroud: 10/23 91, 0 TD, 0 INT, Sack 4, RTG 54.8

AR:  NA

Levis:  23/38, 327; 1TD, 1 INT, Sack 1, RTG 86.2

 

O'Connell: 21/32 171, 0 TD, 1 INT, Sack 4, RTG 66

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 hour ago, Dingus McGirt said:

I don't like the Titans. Never have, never will.  But, I must say - I'm very happy for Will Levis. His gutsy showing last night was a pleasure to watch.  So much unwarranted grief piled on him this past year.  

 

Tommy DeVito made me smile also.

 

Just some early morning rumination.

Yeah, a part of me smiled when Levis put together that game winning drive. I have been tough on the kid but he had a great moment last night.