Colts Vs. Lions Preseason Game Day Thread

[BlueShoe 3,896]

4 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Yes. I agree.

 

Detroit had a lot of guys look really good.

 

Correction: We made a lot of guys for Detroit look really good. 

 

Fairly easy to see that Detroit had much better overall talent on the second and third teams. 

[Luck is Good 1,541]

1 minute ago, NFLfan said:

 

Oh, absolutely. Bradford is not that bad. He is just too conservative for me. I wish he would take more chances like Luck does. I don't mind INTs as much as others do. Bradford does not show a sense of urgency when he should.

You have to try to throw the ball down the field. My problem with Andrew though is that he tries it too much. I still think the Colts offense would be better suited to adapt to a shorter passing game plan

[Farns01 103]

To quote Rob Schneider in the Waterboy "Oh no, we suck again"  

 

How in the world can we evaluate WR's with these QB's

 

 

[MB-ColtsFan 1,775]

Just now, BlueShoe said:

 

Correction: We made a lot of guys for Detroit look really good. 

 

Fairly easy to see that Detroit had much better overall talent on the second and third teams. 

That I agree with.  Our depth is not as deep as I thought it was.  There is a big drop-off from the 1's to the 2's.

 

Even saying that is only speculation, though, since we didn't see a lot of 1's play.  It could be worse... but it could also be better.  I just wish we could get rid of all of these injuries.  I know they happen, but you can't really evaluate a front line if it's not playing against other NFL 1's.

[NFLfan 8,131]

2 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Correction: We made a lot of guys for Detroit look really good. 

 

Fairly easy to see that Detroit had much better overall talent on the second and third teams. 

You sound very disappointed. It will get better. Many of your starters did not play.

[Susie Q 1,360]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I like Morris

I will check him out next game. If he played today I missed him. I think anyone would be better than Tolzien. JMO of course.

[Susie Q 1,360]

33 minutes ago, Douzer said:

Seems like there's been a lot of energy spent on selling Tolzien/Walker to Colts fans. Both failed my eye test today. There has also been a sales job to have us forget Morris. Well it's not working on me, I still like Morris better. What I saw looked more like rust from not getting reps in practice.

Agree ^^^

[oldunclemark 10,311]

They're not trying to 'sell us' the backup QB.  You have to play somebody in the pre-season

 

Without Luck, we cannot compete in our division.

All fans should realize that

[ColtsBlueFL 5,866]

48 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Oh, absolutely. Bradford is not that bad. He is just too conservative for me. I wish he would take more chances like Luck does. Luck's INTs as much as others do; sometimes INTs are better than punts. Bradford does not show a sense of urgency when he should.

 

From where I sit, Bradford had the most accurate passing season ever, in the whole history of the NFL, and they weren't all short passes either.  He was also the best deep passing QB in the NFL last year too.  Look at where he started-

 

Eagles trade Foles to Rams to get him. (where is Foles now, BTW?).  Teddy gets hurt.  Vikings trade for sam, Carson Wentz goes from 3rd on Eagles depth chart to rookie starter.  Sam has to learn Norv turners vertical offense and language.  does really well, Turney resigns (under pressure?)  Now Shurmur and Sam have to use some hybrid Shurmur/Turner playbook to finish the season.  (Much like Chud had to do after Pep Hamilton was let go).

 

now, Shurnur had all off season to revamp the offense to his standards, implement his playbook totally, and have the starting QB run it the full pre-season, from OTA's to regular season game 1.  Shurmur has new QB and receivers coaches with him this year. They have Cook to replace the injured Peterson, and hopefully shored up the O line some.  The ingredients this year are much better than what was served up for the Vikings last year. 

 

I said this last year, and it is the same this year.  The Vikings must have a good running game.  Both to be able to have multiple ways to punch in for a score deep in the Red Zone (run or pass), and also loosen up the secondary for those long Bradford passes to flip the field to happen. If Sam gets time, and receivers run good enough routes (speed doesn't necessarily do it by itself anymore), he'll hit on some big gain plays.  Then the secondary backs off and the run it into the holes they have vacated. 

 

Sam and I'll bet now, Luck, have suffered enough injuries to sit around and take a pounding waiting for those deep plays to open up.  Sam didn't get hurt (as everyone seemed to predict he would).  Luck will do the same, when to pitch it out of bounds and live to run another play, rather than be a hero and squeeze it into a deep, tight window, as he gets severely leveled.

 

Teddy has a lot of ground to make back up, and he wasn't getting that many throws / game before his ill fated injury. 15-25 /game, where Bradford was having to chuck it up 30-40 times per game.  If Sam is ever to prove he was worth his #1 overall pick, it will be this year.  Otherwise, he may well be the next Alex Smith, with less mobility.  ;-)

[NFLfan 8,131]

40 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

From where I sit, Bradford had the most accurate passing season ever, in the whole history of the NFL, and they weren't all short passes either.  He was also the best deep passing QB in the NFL last year too.  Look at where he started-

 

Eagles trade Foles to Rams to get him. (where is Foles now, BTW?).  Teddy gets hurt.  Vikings trade for sam, Carson Wentz goes from 3rd on Eagles depth chart to rookie starter.  Sam has to learn Norv turners vertical offense and language.  does really well, Turney resigns (under pressure?)  Now Shurmur and Sam have to use some hybrid Shurmur/Turner playbook to finish the season.  (Much like Chud had to do after Pep Hamilton was let go).

 

now, Shurnur had all off season to revamp the offense to his standards, implement his playbook totally, and have the starting QB run it the full pre-season, from OTA's to regular season game 1.  Shurmur has new QB and receivers coaches with him this year. They have Cook to replace the injured Peterson, and hopefully shored up the O line some.  The ingredients this year are much better than what was served up for the Vikings last year. 

 

I said this last year, and it is the same this year.  The Vikings must have a good running game.  Both to be able to have multiple ways to punch in for a score deep in the Red Zone (run or pass), and also loosen up the secondary for those long Bradford passes to flip the field to happen. If Sam gets time, and receivers run good enough routes (speed doesn't necessarily do it by itself anymore), he'll hit on some big gain plays.  Then the secondary backs off and the run it into the holes they have vacated. 

 

Sam and I'll bet now, Luck, have suffered enough injuries to sit around and take a pounding waiting for those deep plays to open up.  Sam didn't get hurt (as everyone seemed to predict he would).  Luck will do the same, when to pitch it out of bounds and live to run another play, rather than be a hero and squeeze it into a deep, tight window, as he gets severely leveled.

 

Teddy has a lot of ground to make back up, and he wasn't getting that many throws / game before his ill fated injury. 15-25 /game, where Bradford was having to chuck it up 30-40 times per game.  If Sam is ever to prove he was worth his #1 overall pick, it will be this year.  Otherwise, he may well be the next Alex Smith, with less mobility.  ;-)

 

You like Jonathan Kinsley. Check out what he has to say about Teddy. Teddy wins games. Bradford does not. Teddy won 6 games in 12 games as a rookie, coming in for an injured Matt Cassell. He had Matt Asiata as his RB. 6 games is one fewer game than Bradford won last year. Below is a link to Kinsley's thread on Teddy. See what he says.

 

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/6/21/15851256/gif-thread-of-awesome-teddy-plays

 

Everything has to go well for Bradford to win. We need someone who can overcome situations that are not ideal. Bradford came up short many times last year. It is hard to understand unless you are watching him game in and game out. Check out what Teddy does when he is in third and long.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/status/877603191772151808/photo/1

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/status/877598774327033856/photo/1

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/status/877598774327033856/photo/1

[chad72 10,161]

Look at the bright side, Johnny Manziel is still available

[buccolts 3,745]

1 hour ago, Farns01 said:

To quote Rob Schneider in the Waterboy "Oh no, we suck again"  

 

How in the world can we evaluate WR's with these QB's

 

 

 

Sanjay will figure it out.  Lal.

[BlueShoe 3,896]

2 hours ago, NFLfan said:

You sound very disappointed. It will get better. Many of your starters did not play.

 

LOL.

 

Going on my 34th year so I understand how all of this works. 

 

Even by our terrible preseason standards; this game was atrocious. 

[NFLfan 8,131]

2 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

where is Foles now, BTW?

 

Foles is back with the Eagles.

 

Earlier you praised Sam for his stat line: 5/7 for 35 yards. Here is what I want:  5/6 for 56 yards, 1 TD. That is from one of my favorite QBs in the NFL, Philip Rivers, in tonight's game. What a difference between the two QBs. He is older than Sam but he has so much more energy. Do you like Bradford better than Rivers? 

[ColtsBlueFL 5,866]

28 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Foles is back with the Eagles.

 

Earlier you praised Sam for his stat line: 5/7 for 35 yards. Here is what I want:  5/6 for 56 yards, 1 TD. That is from one of my favorite QBs in the NFL, Philip Rivers, in tonight's game. What a difference between the two QBs. He is older than Sam but he has so much more energy. Do you like Bradford better than Rivers? 

 

I said it showed an alternative to the run game (Cook is a rookie, and O line is still suspect to me).  and it is high comp % in line with his full season stats from last year.

 

How many times did Rivers get sacked?  How many times did Vikes O line get Bradford sacked?  Just checking for potential items skewing results.  Sacks are a big drive killer... just saying..

 

I like Rivers a small notch above Bradford, mainly based upon grit...

[ColtsBlueFL 5,866]

2 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

You like Jonathan Kinsley. Check out what he has to say about Teddy. Teddy wins games. Bradford does not. Teddy won 6 games in 12 games as a rookie, coming in for an injured Matt Cassell. He had Matt Asiata as his RB. 6 games is one fewer game than Bradford won last year. Below is a link to Kinsley's thread on Teddy. See what he says.

 

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/6/21/15851256/gif-thread-of-awesome-teddy-plays

 

Everything has to go well for Bradford to win. We need someone who can overcome situations that are not ideal. Bradford came up short many times last year. It is hard to understand unless you are watching him game in and game out. Check out what Teddy does when he is in third and long.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/status/877603191772151808/photo/1

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/status/877598774327033856/photo/1

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/status/877598774327033856/photo/1

 

Well, stats alone don't show any big difference, in fact Sams season last years was the best* in all categories, except Yds/A

SEASON    GP    CMP    ATT    CMP%    YD    AVG    Yd/Gm    TD    INT    RATE

Bradford (under Shurmur, rookie year)
2010           16       354     590    60.0      3,512   5.95    219.5    18    15      76.5

Bridgewater (rookie year)
2014           13       259     402     64.4     2,919     7.3     224.5     14     12      85.2

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Bridgewater
2015           16     292     447      65.3     3,231     7.2*     201.9     14     9     88.7

Bradford
2016           15      395    552      71.6*   3,877*    7.02    258.5*    20*    5*    99.3*

 

Now those plays, Teddy needed 3.5 - 5 seconds to throw.  He use his mobility, and Norv Turners vertical offense had downfield receivers to shake free after some time.  Turners is gone, and Shurmurs's dink n dunk offense is now the scheme for either QB. Actually, I think this fits both QB's better anyway. And the O line falling off will hurt both QB's, especially if Teddy mobility is lessened. Wasn't Bradford sacked twice in his very limited play in the pre season game?  You want Teddy scrambling around after what he's had to endure to 'get back' (he's not there yet, but should be at some point) ?

 

See this pic below?

 

 

Teddy just may not be able, or want to, do this anymore or as often. Let's see when he returns. If so, he could also potentially be exposed to suffer another ACL, like Bradford did. Teddy is on the PUP, so he can be placed on the regular season PUP.  That gives 6-12 weeks after the season starts to activate him, and we'll see if he then gets the starting job back.  But if he isn't, here's the rules covering it:

 

"If a player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a six-week window (day after Week 6 to day after Week 11) to make a decision to: 1.) place the player on injured reserve; 2.) release the player; or 3.) get him back to practice. As soon as the player returns to practice, the team has another three-week window to add the player back to the 53-man roster, or place them on the Injured Reserve list."

 

What is interesting, is Bradford is in a contract season, and Vikes declined to pick up Teddy's 5th year option.  So Vikes could be without either/both for 2018!  This is where the Franchise tag could come into play, and the Vikings might just do a Kirk Cousins on Bradford in that way until Bridgewater is deemed totally ready.

 

In any event, I think play results now, this year, in this system, determines who gets snaps going forward, not old tape or stats.  Results in the present will dictate what happens.

 

 

[NFLfan 8,131]

6 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

I said it showed an alternative to the run game (Cook is a rookie, and O line is still suspect to me).  and it is high comp % in line with his full season stats from last year.

 

How many times did Rivers get sacked?  How many times did Vikes O line get Bradford sacked?  Just checking for potential items skewing results.  Sacks are a big drive killer... just saying..

 

I like Rivers a small notch above Bradford, mainly based upon grit...

 

I think Rivers is far and away better than Bradford. He can still make something out of nothing. Bradford gets sacked because he is immobile and his pocket presense is not good. Rivers has had a bad OL throughout a large part of his career. Even this year, Forrest Lamp is already out for the year. 

[ColtsBlueFL 5,866]

6 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

I think Rivers is far and away better than Bradford. He can still make something out of nothing. Bradford gets sacked because he is immobile and his pocket presense is not good. Rivers has had a bad OL throughout a large part of his career. Even this year, Forrest Lamp is already out for the year. 

 

My opinion is Rivers ranks about #12, and Bradford about #15.  To each their own.

[NFLfan 8,131]

11 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

"If a player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a six-week window (day after Week 6 to day after Week 11) to make a decision to: 1.) place the player on injured reserve; 2.) release the player; or 3.) get him back to practice. As soon as the player returns to practice, the team has another three-week window to add the player back to the 53-man roster, or place them on the Injured Reserve list."

 

What is interesting, is Bradford is in a contract season, and Vikes declined to pick up Teddy's 5th year option.  So Vikes could be without either/both for 2018!  This is where the Franchise tag could come into play, and the Vikings might just do a Kirk Cousins on Bradford in that way until Bridgewater is deemed totally ready.

 

Vikings fans have been talking about all of this since the end of last season. We did not expect the Vikes to pick up Teddy's option, especially after they were burned by picking up Sharrif Floyd's option. Floyd may never play again -- suffered nerve damage during surgery. 

 

We expect that the Vikings will allow Teddy's contract to toll, but if we keep him, many of us believe that the organization will restructure or extend him so that he could earn more than what he would be slated to receive under the tolled contract. 

 

I am surprised that they have not extended Bradford. That tells me that they are still not sure if they want to give up on Teddy who is a very popular player in the organization and in the community.

[ColtsBlueFL 5,866]

6 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Vikings fans have been talking about all of this since the end of last season. We did not expect the Vikes to pick up Teddy's option, especially after they were burned by picking up Sharrif Floyd's option. Floyd may never play again -- suffered nerve damage during surgery. 

 

We expect that the Vikings will allow Teddy's contract to toll, but if we keep him, many of us believe that the organization will restructure or extend him so that he could earn more than what he would be slated to receive under the tolled contract. 

 

I am surprised that they have not extended Bradford. That tells me that they are still not sure if they want to give up on Teddy who is a very popular player in the organization and in the community.

 

If they could ink Sam for a short term, they should do it. Otherwise, it is another Kirk Cousins scenario all over... Bradford banking on himself.   It has worked before- Joe Flacco , now Kirk Cousins. I could see the Vikes possibly franchise tagging Bradford at around $24 million (or whatever it will be) if Teddy isn't all the way back by seasons end, to hedge their bets for next year.

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Folks, the Colts did not do too well in today's game.   Colts next game is away from Indianapolis when  the play the Dallas Cowboys at AT&T Stadium in Dallas, Texas.  If the Colts have an edge.  Cowboys running back Ezekel Elliott won't play because he has to seve a six-game suspension.

 

Let's keep this game in the past as the Colts continue their training camp as the Colts coaching staff watch game video, review and evaluate their game performance and team player personnel, so they can make adjustments for the Dallas game.

 

Enjoy your week, see you here again next Saturday Night for the Colts @ Cowboys in Preseason Game 2,  Stay Colts Strong, and GO COLTS!!!!!