2017-2018 Indiana Pacers and Everything NBA Thread

[2006Coltsbestever]

Hit a 3 here and cover the spread  

[oldunclemark]

  I guess George Hill did miss the game-winning free throw, huh?

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Hit a 3 here and cover the spread  

124-114...you're right....you said the '13'....was too much

 

 

'pay the man'

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, oldunclemark said:

  I guess George Hill did miss the game-winning free throw, huh?

If he makes it, Cavs are up 108-107 with 5 seconds left. Warriors would've had a chance to win it but that would've been 50/50 at that point. Our man Hill could've been the hero. He usually doesn't miss.

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

  I guess George Hill did miss the game-winning free throw, huh?

124-114...you're right....you said the '13'....was too much

 

 

'pay the man'

I could've been wrong had Draymond been in LOL. He loves to rub it in. I could picture him shooting a 3 at the buzzer . The spread on some Sites was 12.5 LOL

[oldunclemark]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I could've been wrong had Draymond been in LOL. He loves to rub it in. I could picture him shooting a 3 at the buzzer . The spread on some Sites was 12.5 LOL

was it really...?  wow

[Bluefire4]

16 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

You are correct that the player with the 'player option' has control.

But the teams can get players and draft choices in return.

OKC would be obviously willing if the option was to get nothing. 

 

Its not a sign and trade.

OKC isn't signing Paul George. Paul George (f he wants to play with LBJ)  is simply exercising the  'player option' in his deal.....on the condition that he be traded to Cleveland  (and only Cleveland)………..

.OKC would then receive players with salaries that matched PG...……...Paul would get to the Cavs and he'd get paid what was stipulated in the deal he originally signed with the Pacers.....

 

Its how Chris Paul got to Houston...that's where he told the Clippers he would go  .

That's why Chris Paul is a free agent right now.

Houston got him because he opted into the 'player option' on his contract with the Clippers on the stipulation that he be traded to Houston. The Clippers made a trade and got players that Houston sent them to match salaries.

Understand?

Understand what? I am completely aware of everything you said. I know how this works.

 

The problem is Paul George has never even slightly implied that he wants to play for Cleveland. Which is why I said  it'll be all in PG's control because he could just decide to decline his option and go to LA (which is probably where we wants to go). I never said that PG couldn't end up on Cleveland, I just said they can't sign him in free agency without unloading at least $58 million in cap space.

 

Also OKC would be crazy to add Tristan Thompson's or JR Smith's salaries on the roster for PG. They'd probably just take the cap space and look for another player in the future that wants to play with Russ.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

was it really...?  wow

Yeah I kept seeing 13 and 12.5 on different Sites.

[oldunclemark]

I would not want to be JR Smith the next 2 days...

Cant go home.

Teammates think he's an *...…..coast to coast joke

 

…..all-time classic blunder….

[oldunclemark]

2 minutes ago, Bluefire4 said:

Understand what? I am completely aware of everything you said. I know how this works.

 

The problem is Paul George has never even slightly implied that he wants to play for Cleveland.

Obviously, I said that. Several times.

I just said it was possible....

He wouldn't have to play for the minimum as you said. He would get full pay

All is said was that it was possible if he did want to go to Cleveland,

Edited June 1, 2018 by oldunclemark

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

I would not want to be JR Smith the next 2 days...

Cant go home.

Teammates think he's an *...…..coast to coast joke

 

…..all-time classic blunder….

Yeah a huge blunder. Cost the Cavs any chance to win the series if they had a chance. I feel bad for Hill too, miss FT at the end.

[oldunclemark]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah a huge blunder. Cost the Cavs any chance to win the series if they had a chance. I feel bad for Hill too, miss FT at the end.

Yeah...George Hill's first NBA Finals game....an 80% lifetime shooter....I thought he looked confident

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

Yeah...George Hill's first NBA Finals game....an 80% lifetime shooter....I thought he looked confident

After he made the 1st one, I thought the 2nd one would be easy for Hill. Warriors got lucky to escape but a huge win none the less. Nobody was crying for us when we lost Game 5 against the Cavs which was the series in reality. Non Goaltend call, etc..

[2006Coltsbestever]

Cavs fans know how we Pacers fans feel now. The Durant charge call being overturned, etc.. They feel like they got screwed, so do I in Game 5 LOL.

[Bluefire4]

13 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

Obviously, I said that. Several times.

I just said it was possible....

He wouldn't have to play for the minimum as you said. He would get full pay

All is said was that it was possible if he did want to go to Cleveland,

I said they couldn't sign him in free agency. You responded to me talking about hypothetical unlikely trades that i already know could happen. 

 

The poster I originally responded to acted like the Cavs could just sign PG and be 50 million dollars over the cap because "they don't care about the cap."

 

If they traded for PG, there would be no real impact on the cap at all. It may even decrease the cap for the Cavs depending on the deal. Which is why there is literally less than a 1% chance it happens and OKC would be stupid to allow it.

[NorthernBlue]

Would hate to be JR Smith right now.

[dgambill]

I feel sorry Lebron is stuck with this inept team. Give me a break JR. No other player could drag this team to the Finals...maybe no other player ever.

[dgambill]

34 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Cavs fans know how we Pacers fans feel now. The Durant charge call being overturned, etc.. They feel like they got screwed, so do I in Game 5 LOL.

A lot of questionable calls by refs...mostly on reach ins etc...but I thought that was a charge from the beginning. Lebron wasn’t there in time and even turned his shoulder into him. Tough call for sure though. If I’m Cavs fans I’m more upset about JR and * Triston Thompson. Stupidest team ever. Lebron makes up for so much but he has to be dying to play with smart players again.

[dgambill]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Hit a 3 here and cover the spread  

I was thinking bad beats for sure until JR hit that meaningless 3. Then the techs called. I would have died if it ended like that lol.

[2006Coltsbestever]

18 minutes ago, dgambill said:

A lot of questionable calls by refs...mostly on reach ins etc...but I thought that was a charge from the beginning. Lebron wasn’t there in time and even turned his shoulder into him. Tough call for sure though. If I’m Cavs fans I’m more upset about JR and * Triston Thompson. Stupidest team ever. Lebron makes up for so much but he has to be dying to play with smart players again.

REFS were awful for both teams I agree with you. I thought the Cavs played Good, LeBron exceptional with his 51. That was a Jordan like performance.  Cavs also outRebounded the Warriors 53-38. I am not sure if they can play like this again in Golden State. Korver was a disappointment and can play much better. This was a game the Cavs should've won and had they got this one, this series would've been real interesting.

[chad72]

9 hours ago, dgambill said:

A lot of questionable calls by refs...mostly on reach ins etc...but I thought that was a charge from the beginning. Lebron wasn’t there in time and even turned his shoulder into him. Tough call for sure though. If I’m Cavs fans I’m more upset about JR and * Triston Thompson. Stupidest team ever. Lebron makes up for so much but he has to be dying to play with smart players again.

 

That is why when he got to play with Wade and Ray Allen, he relished it, two very smart players, IMO.

 

Kevin Durant got so many calls - the strip by Lebron, a clean one that they gave 2 free throws for, the charge that he got 2 free throws for, even the strip from George Hill that was a clean one that he got 2 free throws for. Plus, Lebron got fouled by some "Looney" guy and does not get the call while they call it on the other end vs a clean strip of the ball on KD by Lebron for KD. The refs can be terrible if they are consistent terribly i.e. giving calls to both Lebron and KD but I felt this was one sided.

 

The Cavs were too inept as a team to win with all those odds going against them, yet they had a chance, thanks to Lebron, and then JR Smith happened. This was the first time I felt bad for Lebron in an NBA Finals game, I am being honest. That was an MJ like performance. The second game will most likely be a blowout.

 

If I am an NBA fan, I hope the Cavs get blown out 4-0 by Golden State. Maybe they will start calling it a little more fair to have a different story in the NBA Finals next year.

[aaron11]

9 hours ago, Bluefire4 said:

I said they couldn't sign him in free agency. You responded to me talking about hypothetical unlikely trades that i already know could happen. 

 

The poster I originally responded to acted like the Cavs could just sign PG and be 50 million dollars over the cap because "they don't care about the cap."

 

they could move love and get a lot of space.  they dont care about the cap either 

[dgambill]

16 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

That is why when he got to play with Wade and Ray Allen, he relished it, two very smart players, IMO.

 

Kevin Durant got so many calls - the strip by Lebron, a clean one that they gave 2 free throws for, the charge that he got 2 free throws for, even the strip from George Hill that was a clean one that he got 2 free throws for. Plus, Lebron got fouled by some "Looney" guy and does not get the call while they call it on the other end vs a clean strip of the ball on KD by Lebron for KD. The refs can be terrible if they are consistent terribly i.e. giving calls to both Lebron and KD but I felt this was one sided.

 

The Cavs were too inept as a team to win with all those odds going against them, yet they had a chance, thanks to Lebron, and then JR Smith happened. This was the first time I felt bad for Lebron in an NBA Finals game, I am being honest. That was an MJ like performance. The second game will most likely be a blowout.

 

If I am an NBA fan, I hope the Cavs get blown out 4-0 by Golden State. Maybe they will start calling it a little more fair to have a different story in the NBA Finals next year.

I thought the calls were pretty bad both ways....just the final two minutes it did seem to lean GS way. Bad call on the Lebron strip...I believe Nance made the foul up top but Lebron looked pretty clean. Same thing with George Hill strip. Earlier there were a couple on GS that were questionable but they weren't in crunch time. Stuff like that doesn't hurt as bad because you have time to overcome a bad call....its WHEN they occur that make them so bad. I felt bad for Lebron too. He was incredible. If GS gets Iggy back then that defense clamps down even harder on Lebron and gets more athletic and can switch more. I thought Durant looked bad last night. He wasn't sharp...wasn't playing with urgency...or that hunger he had last year. He was letting Nance and others out hussle him for rebounds and very slow to come over and help. Not a good effort by GS. I do think they will play better and that will be a problem for Cleveland. It just feels like GS is playing on cruise control....same thing they did with Houston and they should have lost that series because of it. Cleveland can win at home if they bring the energy. If I'm GS I put the pedal to the metal...try to bury the Cavs...we've seen it just takes one injury to turn around a series....it could easily happen and almost did last night. Without Klay no way they win last night..he didn't play outstanding but he still hit big shots. I thought Lebron would stay in Cleveland but if he continues to get bone headed plays he will get fed up. They should never have re-signed JR to begin with...he had that great series when they won the championship and then they blew tons of money on him and Tristen and look how dumb that is now. Two guys taking up major cap space and yet killing them most of the time with bad play. I bet Tristen is out for game 2. No way NBA allows him to play after what he did to Green. Might not be a problem because honestly I thought Nance and Green gave Cavs a better look off the bench then Tristen because they can score and were still active on the boards.

[dgambill]

26 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

they could move love and get a lot of space.  they dont care about the cap either 

Ok. I keep hearing this not caring about the cap. You have to be BELOW the cap to sign someone. if you trade a player the salaries have to match up...so if you move Love you have to take back the same amount of contracts in the trade. So..you are right back to where you were still over the cap and can't sign PG. This isn't like MLB. It is more flexible then NFL but still the cap matters. Unless a team has the cap space to eat all of Loves contract...and there is only a couple teams like that...not even us. Nobody is going to just take his contract and Love and not give back anything...they are going to use that cap space to go out and sign a free agent that is available. Just because they are way way over the cap...doesn't mean they can just sign anyone. They can only be over the cap in KEEPING their own players...meaning re-signing their own guys...like say Rodney Hood who is a free agent of their own. Cap space in the NBA is even more scarce then NFL and much more coveted. Teams don't give that up unless they are getting a big haul....and typically only do it when there is an expiring contract tied to the deal. So perhaps you move the #8 pick and Love to a team with cap space but your not getting a star back. But even if they do...Paul George is due like 30.3 million if he opts for a max contract....so its going to take moving Love, Korver and likely #8 pick and taking back no salary...plus Lebron opting out to get PG. Now if Lebron opts out...why would PG agree to terms with the Cavs because then Lebron could still go somewhere else. Even if Lebron then came back....it would be an upgrade to get PG but they lose Love and Korver. The team really isn't improving its just trading out pieces and losing depth. Just remember...to add someone you have to get rid of people...and with Cavs...several people to get below the cap. The other part is you have to find a team that is willing to give up 30 million in cap space to take on an aging Kevin Love and Kyle Korver. That #8 pick probably isn't doing it. Why do that when they can spend the money on any free agents they want. Cousins, CP3, PG, maybe Lebron themselves. It just isn't a likely scenario. The Cavs can make some marginal moves...maybe swapping a guy for guy here and there but will likely return the same cast if Lebron stays. If I'm Lebron I go where there is more help. Houston, Philly, or LA where he and PG can team up. He can't continue to carry the load for 82 regular season games and now over 20 playoff games. He is over 100 games played....he will wear down.

[aaron11]

1 minute ago, dgambill said:

Ok. I keep hearing this not caring about the cap. You have to be BELOW the cap to sign someone. if you trade a player the salaries have to match up...so if you move Love you have to take back the same amount of contracts in the trade. Unless a team has the cap space to eat all of Loves contract...and there is only a couple teams like that...not even us. Nobody is going to just take his contract and Love and not give back anything...they are going to use that cap space to go out and sign a free agent that is available. Just because they are way way over the cap...doesn't mean they can just sign anyone. They can only be over the cap in KEEPING their own players...meaning re-signing their own guys...like say Rodney Hood who is a free agent of their own. Cap space in the NBA is even more scarce then NFL and much more coveted. Teams don't give that up unless they are getting a big haul....and typically only do it when there is an expiring contract tied to the deal. So perhaps you move the #8 pick and Love to a team with cap space but your not getting a star back. But even if they do...Paul George is due like 30.3 million if he opts for a max contract....so its going to take moving Love, Korver and likely #8 pick and taking back no salary...plus Lebron opting out to get PG. Now if Lebron opts out...why would PG agree to terms with the Cavs because then Lebron could still go somewhere else. Even if Lebron then came back....it would be an upgrade to get PG but they lose Love and Korver. The team really isn't improving its just trading out pieces and losing depth. Just remember...to add someone you have to get rid of people...and with Cavs...several people to get below the cap. The other part is you have to find a team that is willing to give up 30 million in cap space to take on an aging Kevin Love and Kyle Korver. That #8 pick probably isn't doing it. Why do that when they can spend the money on any free agents they want. Cousins, CP3, PG, maybe Lebron themselves. It just isn't a likely scenario. The Cavs can make some marginal moves...maybe swapping a guy for guy here and there but will likely return the same cast if Lebron stays. If I'm Lebron I go where there is more help. Houston, Philly, or LA where he and PG can team up. He can't continue to carry the load for 82 regular season games and now over 20 playoff games. He is over 100 games played....he will wear down.

thats a lot to respond to.  the rockets are crowded i dont see how lebron fits in there.   la could make it work but they would have to move people themselves, and then he would run into the warriors even faster

 

i think he will tell the cavs do what it takes to keep me, and they will be aggressive.  they have tried to move love before, i think they try again and succeed this time.

[21isSuperman]

This guy proposes the following trade:

Pacers receive: Kemba Walker, Tyler Zeller

Hornets receive: Al Jefferson, Darren Collison, Domantas Sabonis, 23rd pick

 

This could give the Pacers a trio of Oladipo/Walker/Turner, all of whom are still under 30 years old.  I don't love losing Sabonis, but if the Pacers can get Walker to re-sign to a long term deal, it could be a really good trade

 

[dgambill]

56 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

This guy proposes the following trade:

Pacers receive: Kemba Walker, Tyler Zeller

Hornets receive: Al Jefferson, Darren Collison, Domantas Sabonis, 23rd pick

 

This could give the Pacers a trio of Oladipo/Walker/Turner, all of whom are still under 30 years old.  I don't love losing Sabonis, but if the Pacers can get Walker to re-sign to a long term deal, it could be a really good trade

 

I wouldn't give up Sabonis for one year of Walker and Tyler Zeller. I think a trade can be made without Sabonis (we don't want Zeller) for Kemba. Charlotte needs cap space and are going to lose Kemba anyways. Collison, Jefferson both expiring deals and pick 23 and/or Leaf should get the deal done. If not I just am not interested in giving up Sabonis. Walker is a great shooter and would be a good pair for Dipo especially with Joseph a defensive specialist coming off the bench. My offseason wish list would be to make that trade and then land Aaron Gordon out of Orlando. He is a restricted free agent but I'm not sure he would be in Orlando's long term plans. That would give us a very nice young core of Walker, Dipo, Bogs, Gordon, Turner...with Joseph, Lance, Young and Sabonis coming off the bench (or starting depending on matchups). Heck we could still have the fire power to trade for another starting wing if we like....that would be realistic offseason best case scenario for me. I like it because Gordon/Young are very athletic and can cover and play 3/4 depending if we want to go big and move Turner to the 4. Gordon is also a good pick and roll player and would pair well with Dipo and Kemba. The only thing is Walker might just be a rental for one year but we wouldn't be giving up a ton of pieces just draft picks that are way down on our depth chart. if it works we could afford to re-sign Turner and Walker if we go over the cap and if it don't we can let either or walk.

[dgambill]

1 hour ago, aaron11 said:

thats a lot to respond to.  the rockets are crowded i dont see how lebron fits in there.   la could make it work but they would have to move people themselves, and then he would run into the warriors even faster

 

i think he will tell the cavs do what it takes to keep me, and they will be aggressive.  they have tried to move love before, i think they try again and succeed this time.

It would be hard for Rockets to get Lebron...they would have to gut the team....but look what Morie did last offseason to land CP3. He is the one GM I wouldn't underestimate. That team would not be nearly as deep. Couldn't bring back Ariza...guys like Tucker and Gordon would have to be move most likely....depends on how much Capela wants they if they can bring him back...or he could be part of a sign and trade for a team (he is very much in demand). It would be hard but they have pieces teams would want...Cavs just don't have desirable pieces. Love is a year older and even more injury concerns then before...they couldn't move him last year to land PG...I don't think they will be able to move him this year and get back what they would consider an upgrade.

[oldunclemark]

 

In an NBA game…..a 3-point shot can be reviewed at the next dead ball and it can be downgraded to a '2'

….a 2--point shot can be upgraded to a '3' the same way.

 

......whether a player is guilty of a 'blocking foul'  on a play where an offensive foul was called, can be reviewed only in regards to whether the defender was in the restricted circle. But, during that review, even if the defender was not in the restricted circle, the viability of the charge itself can be analyzed and an offensive foul can be overruled and changed to a 'blocking foul'

…….so it is legal for every offensive foul in the final 2 minutes to be challenged by the offensive team as to whether the defender was in the restricted circle (whether he was remotely near the circle or not)  because, during that review, the offensive team could get the offensive foul reversed.

 

.... but, even though possession can be subject to a video review in the final two minutes of a game, a missed goal-tending call in the final two minutes of a tie game is NOT subject to a video review.

 

Those are NBA rules, right?

[oldunclemark]

21 hours ago, 21isSuperman said:

This guy proposes the following trade:

Pacers receive: Kemba Walker, Tyler Zeller

Hornets receive: Al Jefferson, Darren Collison, Domantas Sabonis, 23rd pick

 

This could give the Pacers a trio of Oladipo/Walker/Turner, all of whom are still under 30 years old.  I don't love losing Sabonis, but if the Pacers can get Walker to re-sign to a long term deal, it could be a really good trade

 

I would include Turner for Sabonis .

Yes, we'd have to sign Walker but we'd have to sign Turner very soon if we kept him anyway.

Our trio would be Oladipo, Walker and Sabonis ..ages 26, 27 and 22

Its Cody Zeller, right?  Just 26...Signed for 3 more years at $13-$15 mil

Total salaries are very close..

 

I would jump at that deal.  Walker and Oladipo...all-star backcourt

..and Zeller would want to play in Indiana again..on a playoff team

 

Edited June 2, 2018 by oldunclemark

[2006Coltsbestever]

26 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

 

In an NBA game…..a 3-point shot can be reviewed at the next dead ball and it can be downgraded to a '2'

….a 2--point shot can be upgraded to a '3' the same way.

 

......whether a player is guilty of a 'blocking foul'  on a play where an offensive foul was called, can be reviewed only in regards to whether the defender was in the restricted circle. But, during that review, even if the defender was not in the restricted circle, the viability of the charge itself can be analyzed and an offensive foul can be overruled and changed to a 'blocking foul'

…….so it is legal for every offensive foul in the final 2 minutes to be challenged by the offensive team as to whether the defender was in the restricted circle (whether he was remotely near the circle or not)  because, during that review, the offensive team could get the offensive foul reversed.

 

.... but, even though possession can be subject to a video review in the final two minutes of a game, a missed goal-tending call in the final two minutes of a tie game is NOT subject to a video review.

 

Those are NBA rules, right?

Correct. I initially thought that the LeBron/Durant play was a charge in real time. Looking at it on replay, it was a Block so at least the league got the call right.

[oldunclemark]

14 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Correct. I initially thought that the LeBron/Durant play was a charge in real time. Looking at it on replay, it was a Block so at least the league got the call right.

 

That rule has to be removed..../ You should not be able to 'challenge' one ruling in the hope of getting a related violation called (or uncalled) on the same play, changed.

That's like challenging a fumble called on the football field in the hopes of getting a face mask call that you saw on the same play 

 

I just threw in the 'missed goal-tending call' thing    Just out of spite

Edited June 2, 2018 by oldunclemark

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

 

That rule has to be removed..../ You should not be able to 'challenge' one ruling in the hope of getting a related violation called (or uncalled) on the same play, changed.

That's like challenging a fumble called on the football field in the hopes of getting a face mask call that you saw on the same play 

 

I just threw in the 'missed goal-tending call' thing    Just out of spite

Actually a miss Goaltend call should be reviewable IMO. I don't disagree with what you are saying but the REFS got it right after the review at least. Imagine if the call would've stood and the Cavs win. Then you would have Warriors fans saying they got cheated because it was clearly a Blocking Foul and the league even agrees.

[oldunclemark]

17 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Actually a miss Goaltend call should be reviewable IMO. I don't disagree with what you are saying but the REFS got it right after the review at least. Imagine if the call would've stood and the Cavs win. Then you would have Warriors fans saying they got cheated because it was clearly a Blocking Foul and the league even agrees.

Imagine it was the Pacers /We would be saying that the refs broke the rules to give GSW the call.

There was not reasonable thought that LeBron was in the restricted area. It wasn't close. It wasn't an issue

 

.the refs obviously used the 'restricted area ruling' to look at the block-charge ruling.

Double jeapordy.  the refs actually broke the rules as they are stated...

Cops cant break the law to convict a guilty man..as 'right' as the call may be.

Once you start that...rules don't matter

 

 

Of course, if they'd have ejected JR Smith on the same play, Cavs fans would have been OK with it...

Edited June 2, 2018 by oldunclemark

[2006Coltsbestever]

That game was a devastating loss for the Cavs. I don't see anyway they recover from that as that was their chance to win a game in Golden State IMO. I don't see them outRebounding the Warriors again 53-38 and I doubt LeBron scores 51 again. This Warriors team is stacked and if they lost 4 out of 6 games that would be shocking. Getting Game 1 on the road would've gave the Cavs a chance to win the series. If the Cavs lose they lose, LeBron probably still belongs on the Mt Rushmore in the NBA of all-time despite his Finals record with Jordan, Magic, and Kareem. JMO's.

 

-On a side note, a few people in the media brought up Magic Johnson's blunder in the 1984 Finals when he pretty much dribbled the clock out in Game 2 with the score tied. For the younger generation, Magic knew the game was tied, he just waited too long to let the play develop and passed the ball to McAdoo with like a second left. Not near the same as JR's blunder, JR thought the Cavs were ahead. That was probably Magic's worst series in his career and the Lakers still barely lost to a great Celtics team who had HCA in 7 games. He still had games where he had 21 Assists and 17 Assists in that series but for his standards he didn't play well down the stretch in that series. That is really the only time I can recall Magic having a bad series where he had some bad miscues late in games. Celtics were favored in that series so it wasn't really a choke by LA. When the Heat lost to the Mavs in 2011, LeBron was really Bad. That was a choke as the Heat had HCA and Wade and Bosh in their primes - they were heavily favored.

[Finball]

29 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

That game was a devastating loss for the Cavs. I don't see anyway they recover from that as that was their chance to win a game in Golden State IMO. I don't see them outRebounding the Warriors again 53-38 and I doubt LeBron scores 51 again. This Warriors team is stacked and if they lost 4 out of 6 games that would be shocking. Getting Game 1 on the road would've gave the Cavs a chance to win the series. If the Cavs lose they lose, LeBron probably still belongs on the Mt Rushmore in the NBA of all-time despite his Finals record with Jordan, Magic, and Kareem. JMO's.

 

 

Agreed, though LeBron might score in the 50s again but it won't matter much. Warriors have just too much talent and Cavs have to play guys like JR Smith 30+ mins a game.. lol. Tough to recover mentally from a loss like that.

 

They probably would've lost the series had Cavs won the game. Warriors were clearly off and only started to hit their groove in OT.

[oldunclemark]

       Plus I think the Cavs are (I know how this sounds) almost OK with losing to Golden State.

I think LeBron is..Losing in the East would have been a disaster...from his point of view. An embarassment

 

But I think he is (Or will be) resigned to losing to an obviously superior squad.

The Cavs might win game 2 but if they don't. they wont be able to sweep GSW in Cleveland

 

Golden State has the arrogance of excellence....

They feel they are so good and so entitled that they don't need to play any special defense on LeBron. They switch on every screen no matter who they are guarding because they don't have to do anything differernt.

...they are the world champs and they don't think anybody can beat them!!!!

 

That, and Andre Igudola being out, is why LBJ scored at will..,,more than he did on us or Boston

Edited June 2, 2018 by oldunclemark

[oldunclemark]

  Fortunately for the Cavs, Tristan Thompson and Kevin Love wont be suspended for the end-of-game 'rumble' Thursday night.

Unfortunately for the Cavs, JR Smith also was not suspended for Game 2

 

No word on whether Rodney Hood is even still on the team.

[2006Coltsbestever]

11 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

       Plus I think the Cavs are (I know how this sounds) almost OK with losing to Golden State.

I think LeBron is..Losing in the East would have been a disaster...from his point of view. An embarassment

 

But I think he is (Or will be) resigned to losing to an obviously superior squad.

The Cavs might win game 2 but if they don't. they wont be able to sweep GSW in Cleveland

 

Golden State has the arrogance of excellence....

They feel they are so good and entitled that they don't need to play any special defense on LeBron.

They switch on every screen because they don't have to do anything differernt.

...they are the world champs and they don't think anybody can beat them!!!!

 

That, and Andre Igudola being out, is why he scored at will..,,more than he did on us or Boston

They are smart and just let LeBron get his like we did. LeBron is going to score 30-40 Point most nights anyway. He had 51 in Game 1! I don't think the Cavs win Game 2 after what happened the other night. Initially I had the series going 6 games thinking the Cavs would win Game 1 and Game 4. I thought they would win one in GS and one in Cleveland. Now I don't see it. This looks more like GS in 5 IMO.

[oldunclemark]

23 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

They are smart and just let LeBron get his like we did. LeBron is going to score 30-40 Point most nights anyway. He had 51 in Game 1! I don't think the Cavs win Game 2 after what happened the other night. Initially I had the series going 6 games thinking the Cavs would win Game 1 and Game 4. I thought they would win one in GS and one in Cleveland. Now I don't see it. This looks more like GS in 5 IMO.

I think GSW isn't smart...they're playing Cleveland the same way they played Houston.

They switch everything because they think they're so much better than everybody else....Nothing special.

 

We played somewhat of a matchup zone 'box and one' against LBJ...so did Boston.

Golden State let Love score 21..and he miss 8 3s..or he'd have had 30. Same reason. They switched on everything because that's what they do....and they don't feel they need to change...

So far, they've gotten away with it..

 

We played smart on LeBron. Boston played Smart and they played smart.

Toronto played dead.

Golden State just knows they can outscore you in the end.

 

 

[dgambill]

5 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

 

In an NBA game…..a 3-point shot can be reviewed at the next dead ball and it can be downgraded to a '2'

….a 2--point shot can be upgraded to a '3' the same way.

 

......whether a player is guilty of a 'blocking foul'  on a play where an offensive foul was called, can be reviewed only in regards to whether the defender was in the restricted circle. But, during that review, even if the defender was not in the restricted circle, the viability of the charge itself can be analyzed and an offensive foul can be overruled and changed to a 'blocking foul'

…….so it is legal for every offensive foul in the final 2 minutes to be challenged by the offensive team as to whether the defender was in the restricted circle (whether he was remotely near the circle or not)  because, during that review, the offensive team could get the offensive foul reversed.

 

.... but, even though possession can be subject to a video review in the final two minutes of a game, a missed goal-tending call in the final two minutes of a tie game is NOT subject to a video review.

 

Those are NBA rules, right?

I think because there is no stoppage in play it isn't reviewable. But they SHOULD  stop play. They do that on a questionable 2/3 call during the last two minutes because then each possession matters with the score. I agree it should be reviewed and play stopped. Maybe they will expand that rule.