Charlie didn't get a huge contract from the Vikings,

[bayone]

THOUGH NO #'s are given

Charlie didn't get a huge contract from the Vikings, and if the Colts were wiling to blow money on Kelvin Hayden and Gary Brackett, why not give Charlie a little extra dough? Makes no sense, and it is for that reason people are now taking justifiable shots at this front office.

Just like last year with Ryan Lilja, the front office really seems asleep at the wheel when it comes to acquiring quality talent at an area that has the job of protecting their $90 million dollar quarterback

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[tfunky14]

If he didn't get a huge contract then why did he sign... what the figures????

[il vecchio]

Geez, give it a rest. We get it, you don't like the Colt's front office.

[Smonroe]

THOUGH NO #'s are given

Charlie didn't get a huge contract from the Vikings, and if the Colts were wiling to blow money on Kelvin Hayden and Gary Brackett, why not give Charlie a little extra dough? Makes no sense, and it is for that reason people are now taking justifiable shots at this front office.

Just like last year with Ryan Lilja, the front office really seems asleep at the wheel when it comes to acquiring quality talent at an area that has the job of protecting their $90 million dollar quarterback

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Wasn't it just BBS from StampedeBlue saying it wasn't a huge contract? I didn't see where he got his info. He never misses an opportunity to put down the front office, so I take everything he says with a grain of salt (actually, I just ignore him).

No one can fault a player for going for more money, and it looks like he may start with the Vikes now. Also, he had to see the writing on the wall here. So you can't really blame the Colts for not overpaying for a guy who is basically a utility player.

[jskinnz]

THOUGH NO #'s are given

Charlie didn't get a huge contract from the Vikings, and if the Colts were wiling to blow money on Kelvin Hayden and Gary Brackett, why not give Charlie a little extra dough? Makes no sense, and it is for that reason people are now taking justifiable shots at this front office.

Just like last year with Ryan Lilja, the front office really seems asleep at the wheel when it comes to acquiring quality talent at an area that has the job of protecting their $90 million dollar quarterback

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Can't believe I clicked on the link.

Bayone - please do me a favor - would you please notify the board when linking to a Big Blue Shoe article. It will save many the aggrevation that naturally comes with reading his nonsense.

[CR91]

yea we threw a bunch of money at kelvin and bob and had that work out. chris isnt making the same mistakes his dad made in giving big money to average players (bob isnt average, just injury prone)

[everybodysgotone]

I'm not worried about CJ going to MN. We have plenty of help on the O-line without him. There's a reason he's not getting big bucks with his new team.....it's because he's not worth big bucks. He's versatile and can hold his own but we'll be able to sustitute for that no problem. Watch.

[bayone]

Can't believe I clicked on the link.

Bayone - please do me a favor - would you please notify the board when linking to a Big Blue Shoe article. It will save many the aggrevation that naturally comes with reading his nonsense.

I will try to remember, yeah with the my link system u dont see it in the URL

it is the only reference I have seen though on the contract so i used it

to his credit however Sims was 1 of the 4 LBs he discussed hed like us to try & get after Session left, He also said Sims may now fit the Colts price range.

WARNING A STAMPEDE BLUE LINK

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[Lodogg2221]

I dont get why everyone is so concerned with CJ leaving.

He obviously wanted more money than the Colts wanted to pay, or he would still be here.

As for your Hayden reference, Hayden isnt here anymore, and Im guessing they learned from their mistakes.

Not sure, but last I checked, Brackett was doing well for the Colts.

Also, this point seems to get overlooked quite a bit, but they drafted CJs replacement. Twice. Castonzo and Ijilana.

Eventually, Castonzo will be the starting LT (probably sooner rather than later), and Ijilana will probably move to RT or guard. They did say he has a bigger upside than Castonzo too, so he can back him up at LT as well eventually.

Add to that the fact that they re-signed Diem and the writing was on the wall. They saw no reason to sign him to a huge deal just so he could start at guard. At best he would have gotten a one year deal.

I get that he was versatile, but they require most of their guys to be versatile.

The bottom line is that it made zero sense to sign him to any kind of remotely big money deal, let alone a long term deal. Whats he going to do in a year when the new guys are in place? Make a ton for being a backup?

[jskinnz]

I will try to remember, yeah with the my link system u dont see it in the URL

it is the only reference I have seen though on the contract so i used it

to his credit however Sims was 1 of the 4 LBs he discussed hed like us to try & get after Session left, He also said Sims may now fit the Colts price range.

WARNING A STAMPEDE BLUE LINK

My link

Thanks dude. Appreciate the warning.

[Smonroe]

Thanks dude. Appreciate the warning.

Actually, I only have a problem with BBS. He uses every opportunity to slam the front office, deservedly or not. I don't mind the rest of the contributors. If I want in-depth, logical, and unbiased Colts analysis I go to 18to88 or Coltzilla.

Any other really good Colts blogs that anyone could recommend?

[Larry Horseman]

I dont get why everyone is so concerned with CJ leaving.

He obviously wanted more money than the Colts wanted to pay, or he would still be here.

As for your Hayden reference, Hayden isnt here anymore, and Im guessing they learned from their mistakes.

Not sure, but last I checked, Brackett was doing well for the Colts.

Also, this point seems to get overlooked quite a bit, but they drafted CJs replacement. Twice. Castonzo and Ijilana.

Eventually, Castonzo will be the starting LT (probably sooner rather than later), and Ijilana will probably move to RT or guard. They did say he has a bigger upside than Castonzo too, so he can back him up at LT as well eventually.

Add to that the fact that they re-signed Diem and the writing was on the wall. They saw no reason to sign him to a huge deal just so he could start at guard. At best he would have gotten a one year deal.

I get that he was versatile, but they require most of their guys to be versatile.

The bottom line is that it made zero sense to sign him to any kind of remotely big money deal, let alone a long term deal. Whats he going to do in a year when the new guys are in place? Make a ton for being a backup?

Totally agree. I really can't understand why so many fans are upset about us not signing him back. He never passed the eye test (he was consistently making PM step up in the pocket to avoid the rush and wasn't anything better than an average run blocker), and if you're into stats, Pro Football Focus graded him very poorly for pass blocking (http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-tackles/). He was actually ranked the 8th worst pass blocking tackle in pro football. Not what we want protecting the blindside of the franchise.

This is why we drafted TWO tackles, so we wouldn't have to start CJ. Hence, we didn't resign him.

[21isSuperman]

I dont get why everyone is so concerned with CJ leaving.

He obviously wanted more money than the Colts wanted to pay, or he would still be here.

As for your Hayden reference, Hayden isnt here anymore, and Im guessing they learned from their mistakes.

Not sure, but last I checked, Brackett was doing well for the Colts.

Also, this point seems to get overlooked quite a bit, but they drafted CJs replacement. Twice. Castonzo and Ijilana.

Eventually, Castonzo will be the starting LT (probably sooner rather than later), and Ijilana will probably move to RT or guard. They did say he has a bigger upside than Castonzo too, so he can back him up at LT as well eventually.

Add to that the fact that they re-signed Diem and the writing was on the wall. They saw no reason to sign him to a huge deal just so he could start at guard. At best he would have gotten a one year deal.

I get that he was versatile, but they require most of their guys to be versatile.

The bottom line is that it made zero sense to sign him to any kind of remotely big money deal, let alone a long term deal. Whats he going to do in a year when the new guys are in place? Make a ton for being a backup?

Totally agree. He probably had one year left as a Colts starter

[esmort]

CJs contract with Vikings:

$10.5 million over three years.

Johnson received a $3 million signing bonus, along with a base salary of $1 million in 2011. That translates to a cap number of only $2 million in 2011.

The salary increases to $2.95 million in each of the next two seasons, with a $500,000 roster bonus due in 2013.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/vikings-get-a-bargain-in-charlie-johnson/

I think we should have kept him as insurance for that price.

[everybodysgotone]

CJs contract with Vikings:

$10.5 million over three years.

Johnson received a $3 million signing bonus, along with a base salary of $1 million in 2011. That translates to a cap number of only $2 million in 2011.

The salary increases to $2.95 million in each of the next two seasons, with a $500,000 roster bonus due in 2013.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/vikings-get-a-bargain-in-charlie-johnson/

I think we should have kept him as insurance for that price.

I'd rather insure and/or try to improve on D, which is what looks like is happening. I think we have enough coverage along the Oline. D is the bigger need.

[grmasterb]

CJs contract with Vikings:

$10.5 million over three years.

Johnson received a $3 million signing bonus, along with a base salary of $1 million in 2011. That translates to a cap number of only $2 million in 2011.

The salary increases to $2.95 million in each of the next two seasons, with a $500,000 roster bonus due in 2013.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/vikings-get-a-bargain-in-charlie-johnson/

I think we should have kept him as insurance for that price.

That says a lot about how little the Colts valued CJ.

[MoM]

Pretty big number for a not so great player. He was okay, but definitely not worth 3+ million per year.