Thoughts on A couple of Character Concern Prospects

[DaColts85]

I can say I doubt that Grigson is concerned about Matt Miller and his endorsement if it came down to our pick.  Grigson is conservative and I just doubt he gives the kid a shot.

[DougDew]

2 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

I think you need to check your timeline. It was in 2014 that he was banned from the Big 10 and set out one year. Since then he has been tested positive for ecstasy two times in 2015. Then there is the alcohol charge since then.  I am not saying he will have problems in the future as none of us can be 100% sure one way of another. IMO Grigson will not take the Gamble in the first round. I would think some team will take the gamble before the end of the first round or early second. As we have seen with drafts in the past anything can happen and normally does.

Thanks.  I thought I read where he was banned from OSU because of ecstasy as a sophomore but has been straight since then. 

 

If the info you shared was correct, then I would not draft him and hope that the Colts do not either.  I'm interested in not gambling in the first round.  Although pass rush is the #1 priority, IMO, more certain players at DL and CB look to be available.

[COLTS449]

I think with Grisgon and Pagano coming within a hair of losing their jobs they'll have a different approach this year. I think if they feel Spence can come in a be the premier pass rusher we've been needing, I think we'll pull the trigger. The question is. Who do you take between Spence and Floyd. Both can be great EDGE rushers.

[Traines]

1 hour ago, DougDew said:

Thanks.  I thought I read where he was banned from OSU because of ecstasy as a sophomore but has been straight since then. 

 

If the info you shared was correct, then I would not draft him and hope that the Colts do not either.  I'm interested in not gambling in the first round.  Although pass rush is the #1 priority, IMO, more certain players at DL and CB look to be available.

For what it's worth, the info regarding his positive Ecstasy results were not correct...Spence did not test positive for Ecstasy in 2015.  The alcohol incident is correct, and occurred in late May 2015.

 

Here are two different links to articles about him and his background if you're interested in some more in-depth study on him.  I believe one is from August '15 and the other October '15:

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/121583/former-buckeye-noah-spence-starting-over-at-eastern-kentucky

 

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/ohio-state-buckeyes-noah-spence-dl-eastern-kentucky-colonels-ecstasy-addiction-comeback-102015

[Defjamz26]

2 hours ago, SDakColts said:

Looks like a good endorsement for Noah Spence. I am a big fan of Matt Miller, and if Miller came away from meeting with Spence with a positive outlook then I am sure the majority of front office personnel at the combine did too.

Interviews mean nothing. These guys aren't just coached on the field, but off the field as well. Teams came away impressed with Manziel in interviews as well. Talking to a guy doesn't prove whether or not he'll ever take ecstasy again. It's still a guessing game.

 

Look at Mathieu. First round talent who impressed in his interviews but still went in the third round. I'm not sure why Spence should go in the first. But even if he does, I see no reason why the Colts would risk the #18 overall pick. He's not even that good IMO. Just one of the better ones in a lackluster group.

[crazycolt1]

3 hours ago, SDakColts said:

I really like Matt Miller. No I don't agree with all of his assessments, but he gives a different outlook than most analysts which is appreciated. I like to look at what many analysts are saying, and compare it to my own thoughts about various players.

 

What is it that you don't like about Matt Miller?

It was more of a joke or sarcastic comment after his 31-81 record as GM of the Browns. That was the worse record in the NFL since 1939. He is a fine announcer, I just was being smarty pants.

[crazycolt1]

3 hours ago, DougDew said:

Thanks.  I thought I read where he was banned from OSU because of ecstasy as a sophomore but has been straight since then. 

 

If the info you shared was correct, then I would not draft him and hope that the Colts do not either.  I'm interested in not gambling in the first round.  Although pass rush is the #1 priority, IMO, more certain players at DL and CB look to be available.

I was wrong with the two test in 2015, Those were in 2014. The alcohol charge was after that. He will more than likely turn out to be a great player but I guess we do agree on Grigson not taking the gamble. Stranger things has happened in the past though.

[SDakColts]

1 hour ago, Defjamz26 said:

Interviews mean nothing. These guys aren't just coached on the field, but off the field as well. Teams came away impressed with Manziel in interviews as well. Talking to a guy doesn't prove whether or not he'll ever take ecstasy again. It's still a guessing game.

 

Look at Mathieu. First round talent who impressed in his interviews but still went in the third round. I'm not sure why Spence should go in the first. But even if he does, I see no reason why the Colts would risk the #18 overall pick. He's not even that good IMO. Just one of the better ones in a lackluster group.

Easy buddy don't kill the messenger. I was just posting what Matt Miller thought after talking to Spence and his family. It doesn't mean that I agree with taking Spence at 18. I just figured that if Spence did good talking to Matt Miller chances are he aced his combine interviews.

[krunk]

8 minutes ago, SDakColts said:

Easy buddy don't kill the messenger. I was just posting what Matt Miller thought after talking to Spence and his family. It doesn't mean that I agree with taking Spence at 18. I just figured that if Spence did good talking to Matt Miller chances are he aced his combine interviews.

 

After the combine they posted on NFL.com that his interviews were supposedly shaky.  I think he's a good guy though from my limited impressions.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000639754/article/noah-spence-combine-interviews-very-shaky

[SDakColts]

3 minutes ago, krunk said:

 

After the combine they posted on NFL.com that his interviews were supposedly shaky.  I think he's a good guy though from my limited impressions.

Thanks for the reply. I searched it up and found the article, and yes multiple clubs said his interviews were shaky.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000639754/article/noah-spence-combine-interviews-very-shaky

[BOTT]

6 hours ago, SP_21 said:

You said "Since then he has been tested positive for ecstasy twice in 2015". Which is false. I said nothing about it being three years ago. 

 

[krunk]

I see there's an article on NFL.com that says not a single head coach or GM attended Spences Pro Day. Only team representatives.

[Defjamz26]

19 hours ago, krunk said:

 

After the combine they posted on NFL.com that his interviews were supposedly shaky.  I think he's a good guy though from my limited impressions.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000639754/article/noah-spence-combine-interviews-very-shaky

Ricky Williams was/is a good guy. Had an issue with pot though that he admitted in his "A Football Life". He liked to smoke it and the league didn't allow it.

 

A lot of these troubled guys except for the Hernandez's and Manziel's of the world are good guys. I think Spence is a good guy but he'll slip up again.

 

Ecstasy is one of those things that if you've used it, you're probably into all kinds of stimulants.

[ColtsBlueFL]

23 hours ago, COLTS449 said:

I think with Grisgon and Pagano coming within a hair of losing their jobs they'll have a different approach this year. I think if they feel Spence can come in a be the premier pass rusher we've been needing, I think we'll pull the trigger. The question is. Who do you take between Spence and Floyd. Both can be great EDGE rushers.

 

I don't think Spence is on the Colts radar.  Pat Kirwan (who is still an NFL insider) has mentioned many teams have essentially taken him off their draft board (which to me means top 3 or 4 rounds).  But there are a few GM's still flirting with the choice of taking him... if not in the first round, maybe the late second. (much like Randy Gregory last year).  I guess we'll see how this plays out.  But teams are taking less chances with their budget on high priced vet players losing their skills, and high round draft picks that can't focus on team and performance but instead focus on recreational substances.  They have a full set of psychological tests they run on high ranking prospects.

 

Those Psychological tests and Randy Gregory's failed drug test at the combine dropped him from a potential top 5 pick (according to a few GM's last year) to Jerry Jones taking a risk late in the second round at #60 overall.  And Gregory failed 3 more drug tests during the season and will serve a 4 game suspension to start his second year with the Cowboys.  Gregory's performance was not very good as well.  He recorded no sacks (regarded as possiblythe best pure pass rusher in last years draft, but also raw with astronomical tools) and only 7 tackles and 4 assists with no forced fumbles and no passes defended in 12 games.  Imagine someone pulling the trigger on him in the top 20 of the first round!  It hurt the cowboys much less at #60

 

So many GM's have placed Spence on the untouchable prospect board as well.  Have less than glowing Psych tests come back on him as well as his drug history?  I don't know.  I do know Ownership does often get involved in players/decisions like this.  Most every team has "Hot Issues" buttons.  And sometimes talent alone can't overcome them.  It's the risk/reward scale. When teams are slated to spend a lot of money on a guy (top 15 pick) they spend a lot of money on complete evaluation the guy.  Not just game tape and measurables.

[krunk]

6 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

Ricky Williams was/is a good guy. Had an issue with pot though that he admitted in his "A Football Life". He liked to smoke it and the league didn't allow it.

 

A lot of these troubled guys except for the Hernandez's and Manziel's of the world are good guys. I think Spence is a good guy but he'll slip up again.

 

Ecstasy is one of those things that if you've used it, you're probably into all kinds of stimulants.

The reality with him is he is 100 percent going to get drafted in the first 3 rounds regardless of all the weighing back and forth and prognosticating. He would be 100 percent drafted in the first round in the old NFL. In the new NFL these suspensions are no joke so its looking more and more like he will slide outside the first but it wont be too far. Somebody is still going to be willing to accept the potential risk with Spence in the early rounds and its understandable because he is going to be good in this league. Wont be the Colts though.