Good Distinction Made Between Run D Specific To Schemes

[chad72]

Bill Polian on his show this evening highlighted a very key difference between run D overall vs run D against a particular scheme. He stated that the run D vs the cut block/zone blocking scheme that Houston uses has bothered the Colts D and the Colts D has not done well against that, he was willing to concede that was a problem. On the other hand, he pointed to instances how the Chiefs were the best rushing offense last year coming in and how the Colts D kept them to FGs and restricted their production.

I think a key distinction was made w.r.t our run D as struggling versus certain schemes. He did state that by the time the next Houston game came along, the Colts better be prepared for it. Zone blocking is nothing new, here are some key informational sites for the same, the first one is just a 4 minute video from the Texans website, the 2 URLs after those are informational for those who have the time :

http://www.houstontexans.com/media-lounge/videos/A-zone-blocking-crash-course/6093856A-4179-4488-9D0E-3615795FCCAC

http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2011/08/alex-gibbs-stretchgun-run-developments.html

http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2011/08/alex-gibbs-stretchgun-run-developments_26.html

My question is, Houston cannot be the only one that uses this style of running in the NFL. What part of their O-line blocking causes our D-line and scheme fits?

Please discuss.

[jbaron04]

yeah cause the defense is taught to flow to the ball

[jbaron04]

well when you have to use 265 pound foster as nt you have serious problems

[Smitto]

well when you have to use 265 pound foster as nt you have serious problems

Exactly, thats a poor explanation.. it dont matter what type of offense the colts are against if they keep putting foster in on run downs they will keep getting gashed.

[LUVTHESHOE]

yeah cause the dfense is taught to full to the ball

always excuses with bp. way to refer to on game last year when the system worked. remember to

admit there is still a defensive problem now ten years later would be an admission he can't fix it. period

[jbaron04]

always excuses with bp. way to refer to on game last year when the system worked. remember to

admit there is still a defensive problem now ten years later would be an admission he can't fix it. period

yeah he just need to man up and see that this systems on defense cant work in the nfl no more the league is to good

and please no vikes and bear and lions run the same d and got good d they have 250 pound linebackers and good and heavy dts and d coachs who know the difference between a 3rd and 20 and a 3rd and 1

maybe coyer sitting in the box cant see the line of srimmage from there

[jbaron04]

here goes

1st and 10

coyer: run the cover 2 shell

offense five yards gain

2nd and 5

coyer: run the cover 2 shell

offense 4 yard gain

3rd and 1

coyer: run the cover 2 shell

players: coach they know where going to run the cover 2

coyer: umm... your right run the cover 2 shell but.. but lets fake like were gonna blitz the linebackers and drop back... oh yeah make sure the corners are 7 yards off

offense 6 yard gain

coyer:...... omg

players: coach whats the play

coyer:...zzzzz :faint:

[Smitto]

here goes

1st and 10

coyer: run the cover 2 shell

offense five yards gain

2nd and 5

coyer: run the cover 2 shell

offense 4 yard gain

3rd and 1

coyer: run the cover 2 shell

players: coach they know where going to run the cover 2

coyer: umm... your right run the cover 2 shell but.. but lets fake like were gonna blitz the linebackers and drop back... oh yeah make sure the corners are 7 yards off

offense 6 yard gain

coyer:...... omg

players: coach whats the play

coyer:...zzzzz :faint:

... there were a few times when the colts pressed the receivers... and if everyone saw the play with johnson and tryon they would think twice about tryon over lacey... tryon tried to jam johnson in a couple seconds he found himself on the ground trying to recover lol luckily matt wasnt throwing to johnson.

[jbaron04]

... there were a few times when the colts pressed the receivers... and if everyone saw the play with johnson and tryon they would think twice about tryon over lacey... tryon tried to jam johnson in a couple seconds he found himself on the ground trying to recover lol luckily matt wasnt throwing to johnson.

yeah really lucky

[OLD FAN MAN]

... there were a few times when the colts pressed the receivers... and if everyone saw the play with johnson and tryon they would think twice about tryon over lacey... tryon tried to jam johnson in a couple seconds he found himself on the ground trying to recover lol luckily matt wasnt throwing to johnson.

tryon is a tiny 5.9 johnson is a tall 6.3

[wercolts]

the LB' s rarely pursue anything up field, it's all lateral movement. The d line in this system is supposed to eat up blocks so the LB's can penetrate the line and make tackles. It's the LB's not the d line, it always has been. BTW too much emphasis on the DE's getting to the passer makes you lose the edges and has really hurt when QB's roll out.

[OLD FAN MAN]

the LB' s rarely pursue anything up field, it's all lateral movement. The d line in this system is supposed to eat up blocks so the LB's can penetrate the line and make tackles. It's the LB's not the d line, it always has been. BTW too much emphasis on the DE's getting to the passer makes you lose the edges and has really hurt when QB's roll out.

i agree we rush the passer even on running plays

[Smitto]

tryon is a tiny 5.9 johnson is a tall 6.3

And your point being? the guy got pushed to the ground.. tryon just underestimated johnson big time, his jam was way to aggressive causing johnson to just pull him and push him to the side

[jbaron04]

when our defense was at least good a the pass we had bigger and better tacklers m.jackson, k. heyden etc...

[doogansquest]

tryon is a tiny 5.9 johnson is a tall 6.3

But that's just it: the idea that we need to press WR's is ridiculous. Outside of Revis, and (soon) Patrick Peterson, who are a rare breed of size, strength, and athleticism at CB, jamming the current crop of WR's is a fool's errand. It's a good way to get burned.

[Rich Cannon]

Bill Polian on his show this evening highlighted a very key difference between run D overall vs run D against a particular scheme. He stated that the run D vs the cut block/zone blocking scheme that Houston uses has bothered the Colts D and the Colts D has not done well against that, he was willing to concede that was a problem. On the other hand, he pointed to instances how the Chiefs were the best rushing offense last year coming in and how the Colts D kept them to FGs and restricted their production.

I think a key distinction was made w.r.t our run D as struggling versus certain schemes. He did state that by the time the next Houston game came along, the Colts better be prepared for it. Zone blocking is nothing new, here are some key informational sites for the same, the first one is just a 4 minute video from the Texans website, the 2 URLs after those are informational for those who have the time :

http://www.houstontexans.com/media-lounge/videos/A-zone-blocking-crash-course/6093856A-4179-4488-9D0E-3615795FCCAC

http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2011/08/alex-gibbs-stretchgun-run-developments.html

http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2011/08/alex-gibbs-stretchgun-run-developments_26.html

My question is, Houston cannot be the only one that uses this style of running in the NFL. What part of their O-line blocking causes our D-line and scheme fits?

Please discuss.

Our run D struggles against virtually everyone, there is some truth to those links but i dont think its all on schemes. We are just and undersized defense who gets pushed around by bigger stronger offensive lines imo.

[doogansquest]

the LB' s rarely pursue anything up field, it's all lateral movement. The d line in this system is supposed to eat up blocks so the LB's can penetrate the line and make tackles. It's the LB's not the d line, it always has been. BTW too much emphasis on the DE's getting to the passer makes you lose the edges and has really hurt when QB's roll out.

That's mostly true. It boggled my mind that we waited until the 2nd half of Sunday's game to bring in our larger DE's (Anderson & Brayton) on more of the running downs. And what do you know, it started to work...

[Coffeedrinker]

Bill Polian on his show this evening highlighted a very key difference between run D overall vs run D against a particular scheme. He stated that the run D vs the cut block/zone blocking scheme that Houston uses has bothered the Colts D and the Colts D has not done well against that, he was willing to concede that was a problem. On the other hand, he pointed to instances how the Chiefs were the best rushing offense last year coming in and how the Colts D kept them to FGs and restricted their production.

I think a key distinction was made w.r.t our run D as struggling versus certain schemes. He did state that by the time the next Houston game came along, the Colts better be prepared for it. Zone blocking is nothing new, here are some key informational sites for the same, the first one is just a 4 minute video from the Texans website, the 2 URLs after those are informational for those who have the time :

http://www.houstontexans.com/media-lounge/videos/A-zone-blocking-crash-course/6093856A-4179-4488-9D0E-3615795FCCAC

http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2011/08/alex-gibbs-stretchgun-run-developments.html

http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2011/08/alex-gibbs-stretchgun-run-developments_26.html

My question is, Houston cannot be the only one that uses this style of running in the NFL. What part of their O-line blocking causes our D-line and scheme fits?

Please discuss.

It is the same reason why the D struggles against the bootleg. Everyone has their keys to follow. At the start of the play the defenders are not looking at the ball they are following their keys (guard, tackles, TE, RB) depending on the D position. So the obvious thing to do from an offensive standpoint is show the keys doing one thing while planning another.

Why Coyer cannot figure out a way to stop it, I do not know. To me it seems pretty simple, when you go against a bootleg and/or cut back team, you leave at least one guy to go against the keys. Or, as I learned in jumior high football, have the DE stay at home, meaning the back side DE does not follow the flow of the play but goes straight upfield about 2-3 yards and sits there until the ball is past the LOS. Do that a couple of times and the O will then bring a TE or FB or pulling guard around to take out the DE, which would mean the LB who is keying on that player would flow to that side as well so the D still has the numbers.

[HouFan]

He did state that by the time the next Houston game came along, the Colts better be prepared for it.

That might be true, but it ain't the reason the Texans didn't do well in the second game. The Texans had a bye week and Kubiak pulled a "Kubiak" and outsmarted himself by throwing the ball entirely too much.

The reason the Colts have such a tough time is speed works against you in the zone scheme, and Texans runs it better than anyone else in the NFL. Your TWO ELITE pass rushers are nullified in the run game. I wouldn't be so hard on your line as I would the IN-LBs and S.