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6 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Still doesn't excuse what he did, dumbest move in NFL History IMO. Polian, same guy that has a gold jacket because he had Peyton Manning.

Oh I forgot I said something bad about Matt Ryan in this thread!   That's why you're here  haha.

You know you my boy though cuz!

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2 minutes ago, krunk said:

Irsay has a bad GM record of his own since you are black marking decision makers. 

He did but I remember Irsay saying he liked Peyton a lot better than Leaf when they were coming out, no way was we taking Leaf. I never said Polian wasn't great but this discussion started when I said - he quit on the perfect season. 

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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Most QB's struggle in year 1, or even year 2. Luck was great right away, so was Mahomes. Allen may win the SB this year.

Yeah but they all don't need to start.    If my memory serves me correcly Aaron Rogers sat for quite some time.

It just depends on what is best for the kid that we draft.   Again I say if you know the guy you are drafting would

benefit from sitting then Veteran option is best to me.

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Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

He did but I remember Irsay saying he liked Peyton a lot better than Leaf when they were coming out, no way was we taking Leaf. I never said Polian wasn't great but this discussion started when I said - he quit on the perfect season. 

Yeah but that doesn't disqualify him from talking about bad QB play.  Especially when it's being done in Buffalo his old stomping grounds. 

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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Mat Ryan the Hall of Famer who had a crap O.Line this year and a RB that let the whole team down who was supposed to be all world How You Doin Kiss GIF

His O Line was bad in Atlanta and they diddn't bench him TWICE.  WHen you get benched twice you have no one to blame. 

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2 minutes ago, krunk said:

Yeah but that doesn't disqualify him from talking about bad QB play.  Especially when it's being done in Buffalo his old stomping grounds. 

Never said it did, even @Supermanimplied I was saying it does, I just don't take what Bill says seriously after he quit on the perfect season in 2009. I loved the dude before that and he belongs in the HOF.

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40 minutes ago, krunk said:

And what veteran option is going to bring us the results that you require?   Do you propose that we start a young QB that isn't ready to play?  If we pick a guy that is ready then by all means please go for it,  but if you pick a guy that needs some grooming then what?   I know Derek Carr was just in the playoffs last year was he not?     I don't have to have Carr but Im not against it if it's short.  1 of various veteran options. 

you're telling me you want ANOTHER veteran?

 

I guess Rivers, Brissett, Wentz, Ryan, and Foles didn't do it for you. 

 

I don't want a veteran "option". And yes, we should start a young QB, like every other team when they are starting over. 

 

But you didn't answer the question, what has Carr accomplished that you think will transfer to the Colts? 

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18 hours ago, MarlySullivan said:

Carr will be cut. Sign him and take a QB in the top 5. Bring in David Shaw as head coach

There would probably be much bigger demand for Carr's services compared to someone like Baker Mayfield. If you were just looking for someone to compete with a top-5 draft pick, and maybe do some mentoring, why not Mayfield at the right price? Say what you want (not you personally) about "retreads", Mayfield is probably a much better fit for the Colts than either Ryan or Foles.

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1 minute ago, AustinnKaine said:

you're telling me you want ANOTHER veteran?

 

I guess Rivers, Brissett, Wentz, Ryan, and Foles didn't do it for you. 

 

I don't want a veteran "option". And yes, we should start a young QB, like every other team when they are starting over. 

 

But you didn't answer the question, what has Carr accomplished that you think will transfer to the Colts? 

Speaking of Jacoby I wouldn’t mind him backing up a rookie.

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5 minutes ago, AustinnKaine said:

you're telling me you want ANOTHER veteran?

 

I guess Rivers, Brissett, Wentz, Ryan, and Foles didn't do it for you. 

 

I don't want a veteran "option". And yes, we should start a young QB, like every other team when they are starting over. 

 

But you didn't answer the question, what has Carr accomplished that you think will transfer to the Colts? 

 

In a vacuum, with us picking No.5, the obvious answer is NO.

 

Peyton Manning, 28 INTs, Eli Manning learnt in the line of fire. There will be bumps on the road for a new QB learning in the line of fire. The issue is this franchise has been so spoilt that another 5-12 season might be hard to stomach for these fans but there is no Andrew Luck walking in through that door, so the expectations of fans should be tempered as well and it will take 2 years to get to be a division contender. The VETERAN will only delay the inevitable and it has already, has it not?

 

The inevitable is here. We turned around from 3-13 under Peyton to 13-3, and that should be the historical example we should lean on to. Give it 2 years with a rookie QB.

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36 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am not really a big fan of Levis after watching him against against Georgia and Tennessee but the difference between Levis and Mayfield, Levis has way more size.

That he does. And yes, he shrank a bit when the competition became insurmountable. Now, is that due to a lack of offensive support? Or crumbling a bit under pressure leading to bad decisions. If it’s option two then you DON’T start him day 1 which is the general premise a decent amount of folks are rolling with. Leading back to the original point…. We still need a young vet but not at the expense of giving up draft capital 

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Just now, chad72 said:

 

In a vacuum, with us picking No.5, the obvious answer is NO.

 

Peyton Manning, 28 INTs, Eli Manning learnt in the line of fire. There will be bumps on the road for a new QB learning in the line of fire. The issue is this franchise has been so spoilt that another 5-12 season might be hard to stomach for these fans but there is no Andrew Luck walking in through that door, so the expectations of fans should be tempered as well and it will take 2 years to get to be a division contender. The VETERAN will only delay the inevitable and it has already, has it not? 

Right people think we are just gonna snap back instantly.  No, that's not how it works.  We will suck slightly less next year, that's all. lol 

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6 minutes ago, AustinnKaine said:

you're telling me you want ANOTHER veteran?

 

I guess Rivers, Brissett, Wentz, Ryan, and Foles didn't do it for you. 

 

I don't want a veteran "option". And yes, we should start a young QB, like every other team when they are starting over. 

 

But you didn't answer the question, what has Carr accomplished that you think will transfer to the Colts? 

Is that what you are even looking for when you are grooming a rookie QB?   Do you really think the Falcons asked that question when they picked up Mariota?   And were we even close enough to get a decent rookie QB in those years you speak of sir?  Every team does not immediately draft  a rookie QB and instantly start them.   And what are we starting over besides on the offensive side of the football particularly with the line?   We have a pretty competent veteran defense,   a very good running back,  a very nice rookie tight end,  a nice rookie WR,  and a few other pieces.   The line play is the biggest issue and that's certainly a bad thing for a rookie.

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Just now, krunk said:

Is that what you are even looking for when you are grooming a rookie QB?   Do you really think the Falcons asked that question when they picked up Mariota?   And were we even close enough to get a decent rookie QB in those years you speak of sir?  Every team does not immediately draft  a rookie QB and instantly start them.   And what are we starting over besides on the offensive side of the football particularly with the line?   We have a pretty competent veteran defense,   a very good running back,  a very ice rookie tight end,  a nice rookie WR,  and a few other pieces. 

The comparison between the falcons picking up Mariota, and us picking up Carr is not the same.  

 

Mariota was a backup QB with low expectations. Carr has been a starter for almost a decade.  It isn't the same at all.  

 

Also, Mariota and Ridder fit into that same type of Mold, and it was a good choice for Smith's system.  Please tell me that makes sense, 

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1 minute ago, adubb84 said:

That he does. And yes, he shrank a bit when the competition became insurmountable. Now, is that due to a lack of offensive support? Or crumbling a bit under pressure leading to bad decisions. If it’s option two then you DON’T start him day 1 which is the general premise a decent amount of folks are rolling with. Leading back to the original point…. We still need a young vet but not at the expense of giving up draft capital 

I hope we draft a QB for a change and just roll the dice. The draft is a crapshoot but we need some youth in here that has accuracy and is somewhat mobile. I just want someone that is good, our division stinks this year and was very winnable.

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1 minute ago, krunk said:

Is that what you are even looking for when you are grooming a rookie QB?   Do you really think the Falcons asked that question when they picked up Mariota?   And were we even close enough to get a decent rookie QB in those years you speak of sir?  Every team does not immediately draft  a rookie QB and instantly start them.   And what are we starting over besides on the offensive side of the football particularly with the line?   We have a pretty competent veteran defense,   a very good running back,  a very ice rookie tight end,  a nice rookie WR,  and a few other pieces. 

 

That team is also in no man's land putting the rookie through an evaluation period and wasting precious learning curve time for the rookie QB. Not everyone hits the ground running starting in Year 2 already used to NFL speed. So might as well accelerate the learning curve starting in Year 1. Can't expect the veteran to thoroughly groom the young QB when the veteran's own job security on a 1 year show me deal is on the line, you know what I am saying. 

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1 minute ago, AustinnKaine said:

The comparison between the falcons picking up Mariota, and us picking up Carr is not the same.  

 

Mariota was a backup QB with low expectations. Carr has been a starter for almost a decade.  It isn't the same at all.  

 

Also, Mariota and Ridder fit into that same type of Mold, and it was a good choice for Smith's system.  Please tell me that makes sense, 

I just really think you want some kind of pointless argument.   If you know you are grooming someone and you bring a vet in then you already know in most cases that that guy is going to be somebody that's not taking you to the super bowl.   I certainly think Carr could keep us competitive while we wait, but again Im not hung up on it in the first place and I stated that. 

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11 minutes ago, AustinnKaine said:

Right people think we are just gonna snap back instantly.  No, that's not how it works.  We will suck slightly less next year, that's all. lol 

We need to draft a QB, this is going to make or break Ballard, like in poker - all in. If he drafts a Mayfield, Darnold, Z Wilson type then we are in trouble. Maybe he will nail it and get someone like Josh Allen.

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5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I hope we draft a QB for a change and just roll the dice. The draft is a crapshoot but we need some youth in here that has accuracy and is somewhat mobile. I just want someone that is good, our division stinks this year and was very winnable.

All true points. I’m going to be highly upset if we don’t go QB in round 1. 

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2 minutes ago, krunk said:

But I bet you thought he was ready to start from day 1 didn't you?  

lol no, i didn't. 

 

He threw at his pro day with no line in front of him, no rush, and everyone freaked out about how great he is.  

 

I was not one of those people.  AT ALL

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

We need to draft the QB, this is going to make or break Ballard, like in poker - all in. If he drafts a Mayfield, Darnold, Z Wilson type then we are in trouble. Maybe he will nail it and get someone like Josh Allen.

well he's taken two QBs so far, and both have been subpar.  

 

Eason

Ehlinger

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1 minute ago, AustinnKaine said:

lol no, i didn't. 

 

He threw at his pro day with no line in front of him, no rush, and everyone freaked out about how great he is.  

 

I was not one of those people.  AT ALL

well he's taken two QBs so far, and both have been subpar.  

 

Eason

Ehlinger

Yeah but we will have a top 5 pick now.

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7 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I loved that Luck just started right away, Troy Aikman did the same In Dallas as the #1 pick in 1989. Troy had a horrible year but that is how you learn quickly. 

It was very rare.  I vaguely remember Aikman starting right away.  But it was not the norm.

some would argue that you can ruin a qb that way .  iDk.  But there is no way to really judge what is better from results because you’d have to judge guys by what they didn’t do.  No way of knowing if Mahomes would have developed the same because he didn’t play.  For instance.  
 

BUT. It was almost always SOP not to start QBs right away.

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2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

With the 5th pick in the NFL Draft, the Colts select a LT lmao . Would that shock anyone?

Yeah it kind of would shock me, mainly because of the failure due to QB play this season, and recent. Gotta think QB is priority 1, and everything else falls behind that. 

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