Jets: Additional observations after adv stats and snap counts

[EastStreet]

Just some addition observations after looking at some of the advanced stats and snap counts since Sunday.

 

Observations/Comments

AQM - What's going on here. Totally expected him be a run specialist. He's getting more snaps than Houston, and killing it in QB pressures. 

Autry - Doing well again vs the Jets. Quietly making the best of increased snaps at DE.

Hines - A lot of folks suggested he was bad at YAC last year. Did pretty well vs the Jets with PR tossing it to him.

Mo - Truly hope he stays in the offensive game plan. Separation, YAC, blocking, he seems to be doing well at all of it.

Oke - I wasn't shocked to see Oke's snap counts surpass Walker's, but Oke is struggling. I think I'm ready to return to Walker as the primary MIKE.

Safety - I'd love to see more Wilson. I don't care which position, but he absolutely is ballin'. 

Moore - that's a bad QB rating vs Darnold... It's gotta be just a bad day/week. I hope at least.

OL - Nice to see some of the depth get some time

 

QB Pressure
AQM - led the team in pressures (3 hurries, 2 KDs)
Autry - second in pressures (1 hurry, 1 KD)
Note - Buck, Moore, Carrie, Walker, Banogu, Stewart, and Houston all had 1 pressure.

 

Pass D concerns (completions, QB rating when targeted)
Moore - gave up 4 completions on 4 targets, and 158.3. Ouch
Okereke - gave up 5 completions on 6 targets, 100.7

 

Passes Defended
2 - Rhodes
1 - Wilson, Carrie, Leonard

 

Missed Tackles
2 - Stewart
1 - Blackmon, Leonard, Carrie, Banogu, Autry

 

YAC, and YAC/Reception
Hines - 39 yards, 9.8avg
MAC - 29, 9.7
Pittman - 25, 8.3
Hilton - 15, 5.0

 

Snap Count Notes
Offense
1. Nelson, AC, and Kelly got a little break late in the game finaly, and Pinter, Clark, and Green getting some time.
2. MAC 60%, Doyle 53%
3. Pascal 93%, Pittman 53%, Hilton 52%, Fountain 32%, Dulin 22%
4. Taylor 40%, Hines 33%, Wilkins 28%

Defense
1. Leonard 89%, Oke 81%, Walker 44%, Franklin 8%
2. Willis 89%, Blackmon 64%, Wilson 36%, Odum 11%
3. Carrie 84%, Moore 83%, Rhodes 83%, Rodgers 17%, Smith 11%
4. Buckner 73%, Autry 67%, AQM 61%, Houston 50%, Stewart 50%, Banogu 38%, Lewis 31%, Stallworth 30%
 

[Moosejawcolt]

43 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Just some addition observations after looking at some of the advanced stats and snap counts since Sunday.

 

Observations/Comments

AQM - What's going on here. Totally expected him be a run specialist. He's getting more snaps than Houston, and killing it in QB pressures. 

Autry - Doing well again vs the Jets. Quietly making the best of increased snaps at DE.

Hines - A lot of folks suggested he was bad at YAC last year. Did pretty well vs the Jets with PR tossing it to him.

Mo - Truly hope he stays in the offensive game plan. Separation, YAC, blocking, he seems to be doing well at all of it.

Oke - I wasn't shocked to see Oke's snap counts surpass Walker's, but Oke is struggling. I think I'm ready to return to Walker as the primary MIKE.

Safety - I'd love to see more Wilson. I don't care which position, but he absolutely is ballin'. 

Moore - that's a bad QB rating vs Darnold... It's gotta be just a bad day/week. I hope at least.

OL - Nice to see some of the depth get some time

 

QB Pressure
AQM - led the team in pressures (3 hurries, 2 KDs)
Autry - second in pressures (1 hurry, 1 KD)
Note - Buck, Moore, Carrie, Walker, Banogu, Stewart, and Houston all had 1 pressure.

 

Pass D concerns (completions, QB rating when targeted)
Moore - gave up 4 completions on 4 targets, and 158.3. Ouch
Okereke - gave up 5 completions on 6 targets, 100.7

 

Passes Defended
2 - Rhodes
1 - Wilson, Carrie, Leonard

 

Missed Tackles
2 - Stewart
1 - Blackmon, Leonard, Carrie, Banogu, Autry

 

YAC, and YAC/Reception
Hines - 39 yards, 9.8avg
MAC - 29, 9.7
Pittman - 25, 8.3
Hilton - 15, 5.0

 

Snap Count Notes
Offense
1. Nelson, AC, and Kelly got a little break late in the game finaly, and Pinter, Clark, and Green getting some time.
2. MAC 60%, Doyle 53%
3. Pascal 93%, Pittman 53%, Hilton 52%, Fountain 32%, Dulin 22%
4. Taylor 40%, Hines 33%, Wilkins 28%

Defense
1. Leonard 89%, Oke 81%, Walker 44%, Franklin 8%
2. Willis 89%, Blackmon 64%, Wilson 36%, Odum 11%
3. Carrie 84%, Moore 83%, Rhodes 83%, Rodgers 17%, Smith 11%
4. Buckner 73%, Autry 67%, AQM 61%, Houston 50%, Stewart 50%, Banogu 38%, Lewis 31%, Stallworth 30%
 

I am not sure about the defence and we will have to wait and see till they play some good offences.  I keep saying it.  I am concerned about this O line.  I dint hink they have played all that well. Thats inexcusable given the amount of assets that r put into this line. They r suppose to b the strength  of this team. Hell, people refer to them being elite snd mayb the best O line in football. A lof O lines r playing better with a hell of a lot less draft capital. I am not sure if this O line coach is that good.

[EastStreet]

15 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I am not sure about the defence and we will have to wait and see till they play some good offences.  I keep saying it.  I am concerned about this O line.  I dint hink they have played all that well. Thats inexcusable given the amount of assets that r put into this line. They r suppose to b the strength  of this team. Hell, people refer to them being elite snd mayb the best O line in football. A lof O lines r playing better with a hell of a lot less draft capital. I am not sure if this O line coach is that good.

I've said the same about the D. Every OL we've played sucks. No above average QBs or passing games. I am encouraged though about some of the players on D, and think overall we're better than last year. But yes, we'll need to wait and see. I've already readied myself for all the folks wondering what happened to our D when we start playing better offenses. 

 

Not really worried about our OL. It's true that neither T has played up to expectations, but we've only given up 2 sacks in 3 games, and Rivers has a very low time to throw. And one surprise, Glow has been playing very well. Not worried at all about Smith, Q, or Kelly. The only concern at all I have is AC, and he's still well above average. Not sure where you're getting that other OLs are playing a lot better though. We're top 5 in pass pro, and average in running. The grades like FO are based on RB success for the most part in that aspect, and can be chalked up to a few things like running Hines too much between the Ts, and a bit of a timid start to a rookie. Taylor did fine though with a 4.5 vs the Jets who have a great run D. I'd add that if we had better balance, Ds wouldn't key on our run either.

[DougDew]

Appreciate the adv stats. 

 

While one way to say it is that Wilson and Rhodes look pretty good, another way of saying it is that the secondary has been looking better with Hooker and Rock not playing.

[krunk]

25 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

I've said the same about the D. Every OL we've played sucks. No above average QBs or passing games. I am encouraged though about some of the players on D, and think overall we're better than last year. But yes, we'll need to wait and see. I've already readied myself for all the folks wondering what happened to our D when we start playing better offenses. 

 

Not really worried about our OL. It's true that neither T has played up to expectations, but we've only given up 2 sacks in 3 games, and Rivers has a very low time to throw. And one surprise, Glow has been playing very well. Not worried at all about Smith, Q, or Kelly. The only concern at all I have is AC, and he's still well above average. Not sure where you're getting that other OLs are playing a lot better though. We're top 5 in pass pro, and average in running. The grades like FO are based on RB success for the most part in that aspect, and can be chalked up to a few things like running Hines too much between the Ts, and a bit of a timid start to a rookie. Taylor did fine though with a 4.5 vs the Jets who have a great run D. I'd add that if we had better balance, Ds wouldn't key on our run either.

I dont know where he gets it from either. Last year he had a problem with Darius Leonard. Damn near called him an over rated bust after 2 bad games. This year now its the OL! The OL that has done a good job protecting the QB. The running game has been good overall. Was working fine with Mack back there. Taylor looks decent and already had 100 yards under his belt. He needs to get his vision together but that aint the lines fault.

[krunk]

24 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Appreciate the adv stats. 

 

While one way to say it is that Wilson and Rhodes look pretty good, another way of saying it is that the secondary has been looking better with Hooker and Rock not playing.

Im kind of so so on Yasin.  I need to see more.

[EastStreet]

3 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Appreciate the adv stats. 

 

While one way to say it is that Wilson and Rhodes look pretty good, another way of saying it is that the secondary has been looking better with Hooker and Rock not playing.

 

I'd say that's a pretty bad take.

 

We got picked apart shallow game 1 because of soft zone. That was scheme, not really player performance.  Since, we've played tighter, and we've seen the difference.

 

Also, we're averaging 11.3 (12.5 the last two games) pressures this year compared to 8.6 last year.  In other words, the DL is helping the DBs. The last two games equates to 45% increase in pressures over last years average. That's a pretty sizable jump.

 

And as far as Rock is concerned, he was playing at top 10ish CB level the last half of 2019. Acting like we're better without him is silly. Moore's coverage was horrible vs the Jets, so should we drop him too lol. Yes, Rhodes and Carrie have looked good, but that's against some very poor Os, and with a huge uptick in DL pressure.

 

 

[EastStreet]

24 minutes ago, krunk said:

I dont know where he gets it from either. Last year he had a problem with Darius Leonard. Damn near called him an over rated bust after 2 bad games. This year now its the OL! The OL that has done a good job protecting the QB. The running game has been good overall. Was working fine with Mack back there. Taylor looks decent and already had 100 yards under his belt. He needs to get his vision together but that aint the lines fault.

IMO, Taylor just needs experience. You can tell he was very timid in some cases. He was not like that in college. Still, he's had a 100 yard game in G2, and a 4.5 vs a very good run D. I prefer him running in a power/man scheme (to start off), and with our OL, he could be very good if we did that. I'm sure he'll be fine in zone run scheme too, but that may take a little time. It took Mack a little time too. Folks are overreacting at this stage if they're worrying about him. And Reich can help him by being better balanced on O too. 

[krunk]

4 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

IMO, Taylor just needs experience. You can tell he was very timid in some cases. He was not like that in college. Still, he's had a 100 yard game in G2, and a 4.5 vs a very good run D. I prefer him running in a power/man scheme (to start off), and with our OL, he could be very good if we did that. I'm sure he'll be fine in zone run scheme too, but that may take a little time. It took Mack a little time too. Folks are overreacting at this stage if they're worrying about him. And Reich can help him by being better balanced on O too. 

Totally agree!  Coming from college to the NFL you have to learn how to run behind your line and when to make your cuts.  The timing of it all is a bit different than College.  I watched one of those clips and Taylor was basically saying the same thing.  He's kind of getting in sync with how things go on this level.  He's figuring it all out.   Mack was a totally different style of runner in year 2 than he was in year one. 

[krunk]

Listening to Nagy assess the Colts right now and he calls our D Line "Nasty".

[NorthernColt]

These are great. Where do you get these stats from?

[EastStreet]

22 minutes ago, krunk said:

Totally agree!  Coming from college to the NFL you have to learn how to run behind your line and when to make your cuts.  The timing of it all is a bit different than College.  I watched one of those clips and Taylor was basically saying the same thing.  He's kind of getting in sync with how things go on this level.  He's figuring it all out.   Mack was a totally different style of runner in year 2 than he was in year one. 

Yup. Just takes time. I'm sure the plan was to gradually increase his snaps over the first half of the season, but he's getting the baptism by fire treatment now lol. Not really though. The snaps and carry distribution between our 3 backs was pretty even all things considered. 

20 minutes ago, krunk said:

Listening to Nagy assess the Colts right now and he calls our D Line "Nasty".

Nasty vs some bad OLs. I want to see Nasty vs the Brown's OL, which was ranked #6 in the preseason. If we can get double digit pressures against that OL, I'll be happy. Mayfield has the highest time to throw in the league, so even with the #6 OL, we should still get opportunity. I just don't want to see him running around like Darnold did early last week.

[EastStreet]

5 minutes ago, NorthernColt said:

These are great. Where do you get these stats from?

For the free stuff

 

 

Go to the game box scores to get the game specific #s. Adv stats typically drop on Wednesdays.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2020.htm

 

Nextgen is also good. Game Center game specific pages are cool, as are the charts.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing

 

Playerprofiler is cool for skill player stuff. Just search on the name

https://www.playerprofiler.com/

[krunk]

3 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Yup. Just takes time. I'm sure the plan was to gradually increase his snaps over the first half of the season, but he's getting the baptism by fire treatment now lol. Not really though. The snaps and carry distribution between our 3 backs was pretty even all things considered. 

Nasty vs some bad OLs. I want to see Nasty vs the Brown's OL, which was ranked #6 in the preseason. If we can get double digit pressures against that OL, I'll be happy. Mayfield has the highest time to throw in the league, so even with the #6 OL, we should still get opportunity. I just don't want to see him running around like Darnold did early last week.

I don't think Darnold does half of that if we just tackle better.   That's what I think the problem was.

We had guys get right up on him and somehow mysteriously not make the tackle.  Things tightened up

as the game went along though.  I don't think it was anything special that the Jets were doing. 

[EastStreet]

1 minute ago, krunk said:

I don't think Darnold does half of that if we just tackle better.   That's what I think the problem was.

We had guys get right up on him and somehow mysteriously not make the tackle.  Things tightened up

as the game went along though.  I don't think it was anything special that the Jets were doing. 

I know Darnold is not Jackson, but he did have a few darn good steps to avoid. I was surprised going back and rewatching some of it. But yes, we need to get better tackling.

[krunk]

Taylor is going to be really good once we figure out the type of runs that he's best at, and also some of the other nuances that come with running on this level.  I keep going back and watching highlights from our games and I see nice little flashes from him.  It's going to get better and better as the year moves along. 

[krunk]

I actually think we really do have a nice group of athletes on our D line.  I think it's more than just playing a few bad teams.

And it's only going to get better once Turay comes back.  Still waiting on Banogu or Lewis to wake up.  I want to see what this new guy Carter brings to the table also.  Hopefully the hype is real. 

[EastStreet]

10 minutes ago, krunk said:

I actually think we really do have a nice group of athletes on our D line.  I think it's more than just playing a few bad teams.

And it's only going to get better once Turay comes back.  Still waiting on Banogu or Lewis to wake up.  I want to see what this new guy Carter brings to the table also.  Hopefully the hype is real. 

If Banogu can't wake up vs the OLs we've played, I'm just not sure he'll wake up. May just need another year, but I'm not going to hold my breath. The acquisition of Carter likely means they're not totally comfortable with Lewis as the only backup to Buckner right now. Carter, while promising, is still just another wildcard. Hope it works out.

[krunk]

3 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

If Banogu can't wake up vs the OLs we've played, I'm just not sure he'll wake up. May just need another year, but I'm not going to hold my breath. The acquisition of Carter likely means they're not totally comfortable with Lewis as the only backup to Buckner right now. Carter, while promising, is still just another wildcard. Hope it works out.

I don't think Carter could play inside though.  I mean he's like Robert Mathis size, so he's more of a DE.

I think he could push either Lewis or Banogu as an End.  And of course you never know how long it's going

to take Turay to get healthy and even if he is healthy you never know how long it's going to take for him to 

get injured again.  Turay is sort of in the Paris Campbell category in terms of how long it takes until another

injury comes up. 

[EastStreet]

18 minutes ago, krunk said:

I don't think Carter could play inside though.  I mean he's like Robert Mathis size, so he's more of a DE.

I think he could push either Lewis or Banogu as an End.  And of course you never know how long it's going

to take Turay to get healthy and even if he is healthy you never know how long it's going to take for him to 

get injured again.  Turay is sort of in the Paris Campbell category in terms of how long it takes until another

injury comes up. 

Carter is almost identical size to Lewis. He's a tweener. Dallas called him a DT. He's DE/DT like Autry and Lewis to me. We might very well limit him to DE, but honestly that wouldn't make a ton of sense to me. We already have a strong 3 man rotation at DE + Bonagu and Turay when he gets back. We are much more limited at 3T unless you want to count Autry as a DT now (he moved from 3T to DE this year). 

 

I did a little bit of reading on him earlier, and in college, they moved him inside to 3T during passing downs to get another edge in the game (so even JMU used him as a tweener). I'm honestly not sure how we'll use him, but I would agree he might be best suited for DE long term. I could easily see him gaining 10-20lbs now that he has a decent S&C program, and settling in a 3T too. Like I said, wildcard. Either way, likely competition for Lewis and/or Banogu.

[krunk]

4 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Carter is almost identical size to Lewis. He's a tweener. Dallas called him a DT. He's DE/DT like Autry and Lewis to me. We might very well limit him to DE, but honestly that wouldn't make a ton of sense to me. We already have a strong 3 man rotation at DE + Bonagu and Turay when he gets back. We are much more limited at 3T unless you want to count Autry as a DT now (he moved from 3T to DE this year). 

 

I did a little bit of reading on him earlier, and in college, they moved him inside to 3T during passing downs to get another edge in the game (so even JMU used him as a tweener). I'm honestly not sure how we'll use him, but I would agree he might be best suited for DE long term. I could easily see him gaining 10-20lbs now that he has a decent S&C program, and settling in a 3T too. Like I said, wildcard. Either way, likely competition for Lewis and/or Banogu.

I haven't looked at his latest profile, but I watched Voch Lombardi do a breakdown on him and the size that I saw was 6 ft 3 245lbs which drove me to say what I said.  I think right now Lewis is about 260 or so.  Who knows?   I don't want to get too far ahead because I'm not even sure if the guy can play or not. 

[krunk]

Personally if Buck got hurt I think they'd slide Autry back to his old spot most likely.

[EastStreet]

15 minutes ago, krunk said:

Personally if Buck got hurt I think they'd slide Autry back to his old spot most likely.

I agree 100%, especially with AQM playing well. But you don't want to do that because Autry is a better DE than DT.

24 minutes ago, krunk said:

I haven't looked at his latest profile, but I watched Voch Lombardi do a breakdown on him and the size that I saw was 6 ft 3 245lbs which drove me to say what I said.  I think right now Lewis is about 260 or so.  Who knows?   I don't want to get too far ahead because I'm not even sure if the guy can play or not. 

Carter is 6-3 and 269. 

Give him another year in a pro S&C and he'll likely be 280ish if that's what he desire is. He could also go the other way and chisel up.  

[OffensivelyPC]

8 hours ago, EastStreet said:

I've said the same about the D. Every OL we've played sucks. No above average QBs or passing games. I am encouraged though about some of the players on D, and think overall we're better than last year. But yes, we'll need to wait and see. I've already readied myself for all the folks wondering what happened to our D when we start playing better offenses. 

 

Not really worried about our OL. It's true that neither T has played up to expectations, but we've only given up 2 sacks in 3 games, and Rivers has a very low time to throw. And one surprise, Glow has been playing very well. Not worried at all about Smith, Q, or Kelly. The only concern at all I have is AC, and he's still well above average. Not sure where you're getting that other OLs are playing a lot better though. We're top 5 in pass pro, and average in running. The grades like FO are based on RB success for the most part in that aspect, and can be chalked up to a few things like running Hines too much between the Ts, and a bit of a timid start to a rookie. Taylor did fine though with a 4.5 vs the Jets who have a great run D. I'd add that if we had better balance, Ds wouldn't key on our run either.

Glow was rated higher on pff than Nelson last I checked. Maybe it was Monday, but at least last week.

[TheMose]

10 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I am not sure about the defence and we will have to wait and see till they play some good offences.  I keep saying it.  I am concerned about this O line.  I dint hink they have played all that well. Thats inexcusable given the amount of assets that r put into this line. They r suppose to b the strength  of this team. Hell, people refer to them being elite snd mayb the best O line in football. A lof O lines r playing better with a hell of a lot less draft capital. I am not sure if this O line coach is that good.

Rivers is on pace to be sacked 10 times this season. 2 games out of 3 without a sack

[DougDew]

10 hours ago, EastStreet said:

 

I'd say that's a pretty bad take.

 

We got picked apart shallow game 1 because of soft zone. That was scheme, not really player performance.  Since, we've played tighter, and we've seen the difference.

 

Also, we're averaging 11.3 (12.5 the last two games) pressures this year compared to 8.6 last year.  In other words, the DL is helping the DBs. The last two games equates to 45% increase in pressures over last years average. That's a pretty sizable jump.

 

And as far as Rock is concerned, he was playing at top 10ish CB level the last half of 2019. Acting like we're better without him is silly. Moore's coverage was horrible vs the Jets, so should we drop him too lol. Yes, Rhodes and Carrie have looked good, but that's against some very poor Os, and with a huge uptick in DL pressure.

 

 

So what you're saying is, is that the secondary has looked better the past two games with Hooker and Rock not playing.

[krunk]

That's one thing I will say about this secondary so far.  We don't get beat deep very often.

You might get us on a short to medium play here and there for a chunk but through 3 games

I haven't seen us get beat very often on a deep pass outside of Jax. 

[Shive]

10 hours ago, EastStreet said:

If Banogu can't wake up vs the OLs we've played, I'm just not sure he'll wake up. May just need another year, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

I wasn't too high on Banogu in last year's draft, mainly because he looked like he would need a quite a bit of development as a pass rusher. I was actually excited when they started talking about him playing LB to take advantage of his athleticism, but it seems like that never worked out. I still think he'll need at least another year of development as a pass rusher. I originally thought he'd at least 2-3 years, so I'm willing to give him another year to improve.

 

1 hour ago, DougDew said:

So what you're saying is, is that the secondary has looked better the past two games with Hooker and Rock not playing.

Correlation does not imply causation. Just because the secondary has played better the past 2 weeks than week 1 and Rock and Hooker didn't play the last 2 weeks, doesn't mean that the reason for the secondary playing better is due to those 2 players not paying. If we hadn't made noticeable schematic changes and the only variable that had changed was the players, I could see your point, but in this instance (at this point in the season), it doesn't hold water.

[Lucky Colts Fan]

14 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

A lof O lines r playing better with a hell of a lot less draft capital.

 

I disagree with this opinion.

 

Which OLines are playing better than the Colts?  

 

As far as I can tell, there are only 2 teams (Chiefs and Packers) whose OLines have allowed fewer sacks while blocking for an offense that has more rushing and passing yds.  And both of those teams have quite a bit invested in their OLines...

[Dogg63]

11 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

As far as I can tell, there are only 2 teams (Chiefs and Packers) whose OLines have allowed fewer sacks while blocking for an offense that has more rushing and passing yds.  And both of those teams have quite a bit of draft capital invested in their OLines...

I posted this in another thread, but it seems applicable here as well:

 

 

[krunk]

23 minutes ago, Dogg63 said:

I posted this in another thread, but it seems applicable here as well:

 

 

I bet that boy is Whistling Dixie now! You can tell how calm he is during the games. He trusts his Hogs.

[DougDew]

3 hours ago, Shive said:

I wasn't too high on Banogu in last year's draft, mainly because he looked like he would need a quite a bit of development as a pass rusher. I was actually excited when they started talking about him playing LB to take advantage of his athleticism, but it seems like that never worked out. I still think he'll need at least another year of development as a pass rusher. I originally thought he'd at least 2-3 years, so I'm willing to give him another year to improve.

 

Correlation does not imply causation. Just because the secondary has played better the past 2 weeks than week 1 and Rock and Hooker didn't play the last 2 weeks, doesn't mean that the reason for the secondary playing better is due to those 2 players not paying. If we hadn't made noticeable schematic changes and the only variable that had changed was the players, I could see your point, but in this instance (at this point in the season), it doesn't hold water.

So what you're saying is, is that the secondary has played better without Hooker and Rock playing.  But are not sure of why that is.

[Dogg63]

22 minutes ago, DougDew said:

So what you're saying is, is that the secondary has played better without Hooker and Rock playing.  But are not sure of why that is.

*Checks shoes*

 

Hmm, sure smells like this thread stepped in some Doug DooDoo.

[Dogg63]

17 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Also, we're averaging 11.3 (12.5 the last two games) pressures this year compared to 8.6 last year.  In other words, the DL is helping the DBs. The last two games equates to 45% increase in pressures over last years average. That's a pretty sizable jump.

Exactly, and here's some fun-to-watch evidence of that increased DL pressure from Buckner:

 

 

[Shive]

2 hours ago, DougDew said:

So what you're saying is, is that the secondary has played better without Hooker and Rock playing.  But are not sure of why that is.

We can agree that the secondary had better performances weeks 2 and 3 than week 1. You're saying that it's due to Rock and Hooker not playing. I'm saying that with the tweaks to the defensive scheme, we don't know that to be true.

[DougDew]

1 hour ago, Shive said:

We can agree that the secondary had better performances weeks 2 and 3 than week 1. You're saying that it's due to Rock and Hooker not playing. I'm saying that with the tweaks to the defensive scheme, we don't know that to be true.

I was just stating a fact, at least that was the intent.  Other may already be forming conclusions after three weeks.

[EastStreet]

12 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Glow was rated higher on pff than Nelson last I checked. Maybe it was Monday, but at least last week.

Yup. Glow has always been strong in run blocking, and we've run more than passed the last two games. 

 

[EastStreet]

7 hours ago, Shive said:

I wasn't too high on Banogu in last year's draft, mainly because he looked like he would need a quite a bit of development as a pass rusher. I was actually excited when they started talking about him playing LB to take advantage of his athleticism, but it seems like that never worked out. I still think he'll need at least another year of development as a pass rusher. I originally thought he'd at least 2-3 years, so I'm willing to give him another year to improve.

Yep, the scheme he came from produces complete wildcards on the DL. Unlike you, I wasn't excited at all with the LB talk. It felt way too much like a reach. I actually predicted they'd abandon that quickly and they did. I don't mind them doing that AFTER he develops as a pass rusher, but he's still struggling there even with the limited focus. I'm with you on the 2-3 years, but I do want to see some flashes at least. 

7 hours ago, Shive said:

Correlation does not imply causation. Just because the secondary has played better the past 2 weeks than week 1 and Rock and Hooker didn't play the last 2 weeks, doesn't mean that the reason for the secondary playing better is due to those 2 players not paying. If we hadn't made noticeable schematic changes and the only variable that had changed was the players, I could see your point, but in this instance (at this point in the season), it doesn't hold water.

It's like saying they've played better since Campbell stopped playing, or looked better since we've stopped playing in Florida... lol

 

9 hours ago, DougDew said:

So what you're saying is, is that the secondary has looked better the past two games with Hooker and Rock not playing.

Given your posting history, I think we all know what you're implying.

3 hours ago, Dogg63 said:

Exactly, and here's some fun-to-watch evidence of that increased DL pressure from Buckner:

 

If they can get 10+ vs the Cleveland OL, I'll be very happy, and willing to say we're not just a product of bad OLs. Regardless, Buckner absolutely adds something we didn't have last year.

[EastStreet]

7 hours ago, Dogg63 said:

I posted this in another thread, but it seems applicable here as well:

 

 

Yep. We're 5th IIRC in FO pass blocking too. It's huge. And if we continue vs Chicago, it's big. 

[Lucky Colts Fan]

18 hours ago, DougDew said:

I was just stating a fact, at least that was the intent.  Other may already be forming conclusions after three weeks.

 

There are a number of facts that could be stated, and still not be the cause, like you're implying about Hooker and Rock.

 

More man-to-man at the LOS.  Lining up in a way that forces 1-on-1 matchups with Buckner.  Muhammad getting increased snap-counts each week.  Okereke going from 19 snap-count in wk 1, to 46 in wk 2, and then 52 in the last game.

 

So what you're saying is that the secondary has looked better because Muhammad providing more pressure from the DLine and Okereke providing better pass-coverage at LB has made it easier for the secondary to do their job over the last few weeks?