Tom Brady plays pick up basketball with MJ

[amfootball]

Popularity & overall legacy as an athlete in a professional sport is an entirely different dynamic though. I liked your post AMF because I hadn't really considered Giselle as part of Brady's influence & marketing power before. But you're right, Tom & Giselle are a package duo deal so her global influence on his career cannot be ignored either. Food for thought & something else for me to mull over & chew on intellectually I guess. Good point. 

 

Look at this clip at the US Open where MJ is being interviewed by tennis analysts last year watching Roger Federer play in front of him. I'd say Jordan's popularity transcends professional basketball very easily myself.

 

 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/08/roger-federer-michael-jordan-be-like-mike-marinko-matosevic-us-open

Yes, Jordan is def. global and has done a great job marketing himself.

 

I think in terms of Brady, it is a marketing bonanza for sponsors. He has maybe the best story in sports being a sixth round pick who was predicted to do nothing but hold a clip board his entire career and then he goes on to have a historic career, then he has the good looks, the all Amercian family background, and of course the super model wife AND he is pretty good in front of the camera. I am not sure there is another athlete that has all that in their marketing arsenal.

[Jay Kirk]

Actually

 

I can say one thing here.  This is the second thread to go to hell in a handbag if we do not calm down.  

 

Take this as fact:  Michael Jordan is one of the greatest athletes EVER.

 

Tom Brady would not even be in the top 10-15.  Give me Jessie Owens, And Jackie Robinson before any Slow Old Pro Style Quarterbacks....I am done. 

 

Life is not about Tom Brady folks...

Nor will it ever be . Lol as far as SBs Tom has P.M beat but not in star appeal and endorsement.

[amfootball]

I can say one thing here.  This is the second thread to go to hell in a handbag if we do not calm down.  

 

Take this as fact:  Michael Jordan is one of the greatest athletes EVER.

 

Tom Brady would not even be in the top 10-15.  Give me Jessie Owens, And Jackie Robinson before any Slow Old Pro Style Quarterbacks....I am done. 

 

Life is not about Tom Brady folks...

This thread is fine at least IMO. I like talking about the marketing of these players.

 

It is obvious you define athlete different than many. I think what QBs do on their field with the cerebral aspect of the position far outweighs how far a person can jump or run. Not to mention the pure throwing of the ball. But I see the point in terms of pure physical ability.

[BrentMc11]

This thread is fine at least IMO. I like talking about the marketing of these players.

 

It is obvious you define athlete different than many. I think what QBs do on their field with the cerebral aspect of the position far outweighs how far a person can jump or run. Not to mention the pure throwing of the ball. But I see the point in terms of pure physical ability.

We know that Brady and Jordan have the star power.  I just see no argument.  I do see more commercials with Jordan and Manning in them.  He was one of the old pro-style QBs I was referring to.

[Jay Kirk]

We know that Brady and Jordan have the star power.  I just see no argument.  I do see more commercials with Jordan and Manning in them.  He was one of the old pro-style QBs I was referring to.

LIKE !!! still havnt got them back.

[Swan Ronson]

There is a whole big world outside America, about 7 billion people live there. It's not even debatable that Tom Brady has bigger star power than Michael Jordan. 

[amfootball]

We know that Brady and Jordan have the star power.  I just see no argument.  I do see more commercials with Jordan and Manning in them.  He was one of the old pro-style QBs I was referring to.

Marketing is just not commercials in terms of brand and influence. There is also print, the Internet and stories written by third parties that have reach beyond just the sports world. And in Brady's case, everywhere his wife appears, he appears also. So he has her reach as well moving his brand at a global speed.

[BrentMc11]

Marketing is just not commercials in terms of brand and influence. There is also print, the Internet and stories written by third parties that have reach beyond just the sports world. And in Brady's case, everywhere his wife appears, he appears also. So he has her reach as well moving his brand at a global speed.

I know just a teency weency bit about this or I would not comment. Time for my Marketing specialist to get on.....hocus pocus:  Where are you radiogirl?  

[Jay Kirk]

Marketing is just not commercials in terms of brand and influence. There is also print, the Internet and stories written by third parties that have reach beyond just the sports world. And in Brady's case, everywhere his wife appears, he appears also. So he has her reach as well moving his brand at a global speed.

Correct but commercials are the biggest part because star power is big business in marketing.

[amfootball]

I know just teency weency bit about this or I would not comment. Time for my Marketing specialis to get on.....hocus pocus:  Where are you radiogirl?  

Yes, I do have a background in marketing so I do have somewhat of an advantage here. But I hope radiogirl and others with marketing show up. It is a good discussion ...

[radiogirl]

I know just teency weency bit about this or I would not comment. Time for my Marketing specialis to get on.....hocus pocus:  Where are you radiogirl?  

Chicago. My phones too small and my eyes r too old for this print!

[Jay Kirk]

Chicago. My phones too small and my eyes r too old for this print!

Lol

[BrentMc11]

Chicago. My phones too small and my eyes r too old for this print!

HA HA  HA!! says BrentMc as he reads WITH his readers.  

[amfootball]

Correct but commercials are the biggest part because star power is big business in marketing.

Yes and no. Commercials or TV brand are just part of the puzzle these days. I would say the Internet is much more comprehensive and global in reach than TV and also less expensive. That is a big reason why Brady created a Facebook profile this pas year. He actually hired a company to help him with that as he understands as a modern day athlete he has to have a presence in social media. But it is really a myriad of TV, print, and Internet/social media and that is where I think Brady has a leg up with his super model wife. Her reach is huge and she has teams of people that market her.

[BrentMc11]

Correct but commercials are the biggest part because star power is big business in marketing.

MJ IS a brand.... All kinds of things go into it.

[Jay Kirk]

Chicago. My phones too small and my eyes r too old for this print!

Reason I never go to this site on mine.

[BrentMc11]

Yes and no. Commercials or TV brand are just part of the puzzle these days. I would say the Internet is much more comprehensive and global in reach than TV and also less expensive. That is a big reason why Brady created a Facebook profile this pas year. He actually hired a company to help him with that as he understands as a modern day athlete he has to have a presence in social media. But it is really a myriad of TV, print, and Internet/social media and that is where I think Brady has a leg up with his super model wife. Her reach is huge and she has teams of people that market her.

See my above comment.  Jordan IS a brand.

[BrentMc11]

Reason I never go to this site on mine.

I tried it once....NEEEEEWWWW!  HA HA!

[Jay Kirk]

Yes and no. Commercials or TV brand are just part of the puzzle these days. I would say the Internet is much more comprehensive and global in reach than TV and also less expensive. That is a big reason why Brady created a Facebook profile this pas year. He actually hired a company to help him with that as he understands as a modern day athlete he has to have a presence in social media. But it is really a myriad of TV, print, and Internet/social media and that is where I think Brady has a leg up with his super model wife. Her reach is huge and she has teams of people that market her.

Well I must be outta the mainsteam lol , I wouldn't recognize her standing in front of me.

[amfootball]

See my above comment.  Jordan IS a brand.

I don't know what you mean.

[radiogirl]

lol. More like Jordan thinking up ways to get publicity ...

First of all, two guys playing some ball.....who cares. Why is anyone arguing which of these two dudes needs more publicity. I think they both will be making their mortgage payment next month with no problem.

[Jay Kirk]

I tried it once....NEEEEEWWWW!  HA HA!

Lol if she can actually see it she has a leg up on us .

[radiogirl]

Yes and no. Commercials or TV brand are just part of the puzzle these days. I would say the Internet is much more comprehensive and global in reach than TV and also less expensive. That is a big reason why Brady created a Facebook profile this pas year. He actually hired a company to help him with that as he understands as a modern day athlete he has to have a presence in social media. But it is really a myriad of TV, print, and Internet/social media and that is where I think Brady has a leg up with his super model wife. Her reach is huge and she has teams of people that market her.

I could give two craps about his model wife and I don't think most football fans do either. Her brand is very different than his brand. When she's standing in lingerie, I don't think people are wondering about Brady's arm. Brady is a brand. Jordan is a brand. Done.

[radiogirl]

Very.  Brady's star is higher in the sky right now than Jordans ...

Sorry. No.

[southwest1]

Don't  agree still don't see him making the National endorsements Jordan does , and further more never will. However in some areas and circles your statement may ring true.

I can't prove that, but I agree with you 100% Jay MJ is a marketing machine in terms of just shoe revenue profits alone. Will Brady's Uggs make a dent in 23's Air Jordan's bottom line financially? 

 

Nah, I just don't see that unfolding personally. 

[amfootball]

I could give two craps about his model wife and I don't think most football fans do either. Her brand is very different than his brand. When she's standing in lingerie, I don't think people are wondering about Brady's arm. Brady is a brand. Jordan is a brand. Done.

Is that all you have to contribute to the discussion?

[Jay Kirk]

I can't prove that, but I agree with you 100% Jay MJ is a marketing machine in terms of just shoe revenue profits alone. Will Brady's Uggs make a dent in 23's Air Jordan's bottom line financially? 

 

Nah, I just don't see that unfolding personally. 

Agreed and Peyton has his hand in the fire in several national endorsments as well. In all honesty MJ dwarfs them all.

[Gramz]

Agreed and Peyton has his hand in the fire in several national endorsments as well. In all honesty MJ dwarfs them all.

Nationwide in on your side, with a pizza, and you can pick it up in your verano and pay for it with your Mastercard ... am I forgetting a few?

[amfootball]

I can't prove that, but I agree with you 100% Jay MJ is a marketing machine in terms of just shoe revenue profits alone. Will Brady's Uggs make a dent in 23's Air Jordan's bottom line financially? 

 

Nah, I just don't see that unfolding personally. 

Making money is different than brand. Brady could make a lot more money, he turns down tons of offers. But in terms of being recognized worldwide? Brady is right there.

 

BTW, as a note on Gisele, since 2004, she has been the highest-paid model in the world, and as of 2007 was the 16th richest woman in the entertainment industry.In 2012 she placed first on the Forbes top-earning models list.As of 2014, she is listed as the 89th most powerful woman in the world by Forbes.  She dwarfs everyone.

[Jay Kirk]

Nationwide in on your side, with a pizza, and you can pick it up in your verano and pay for it with your mastetcard... am I forgetting a few?

[radiogirl]

Is that all you have to contribute to the discussion?

Don't get on me am. I've been in the car all day and I'm not in the mood. If u want a rundown on my thoughts of the marketing strength of these three people call me at office tomorrow.

[radiogirl]

Making money is different than brand. Brady could make a lot more money, he turns down tons of offers. But in terms of being recognized worldwide? Brady is right there.

 

BTW, as a note on Gisele, since 2004, she has been the highest-paid model in the world, and as of 2007 was the 16th richest woman in the entertainment industry.In 2012 she placed first on the Forbes top-earning models list.As of 2014, she is listed as the 89th most powerful woman in the world by Forbes.  She dwarfs everyone.

Yawn. I thought this was a colts forum. Not a Victoria's Secret catalog.

[amfootball]

I can't prove that, but I agree with you 100% Jay MJ is a marketing machine in terms of just shoe revenue profits alone. Will Brady's Uggs make a dent in 23's Air Jordan's bottom line financially? 

 

Nah, I just don't see that unfolding personally. 

You are missing the larger marketing level here SW. Air Jordan's are basketball sneakers marketed to a very specific target audience. Uggs have shoe lines for everyone from men to women of all ages. Again, in terms of brand Uggs reaches a much broader scope than an athletic shoe. Or let me put it another way. Jordan could never market Uggs. It is not believable that an athlete like him would wear such a shoe whereas Brady with his mass appeal and transcendence of the football arena, sells the shoe perfectly and also why his commercials take place in an arena other than a football field ...

[amfootball]

Don't get on me am. I've been in the car all day and I'm not in the mood. If u want a rundown on my thoughts of the marketing strength of these three people call me at office tomorrow.

Yeah, I think I'll pass on that ...

[BrentMc11]

Nationwide in on your side, with a pizza, and you can pick it up in your verano and pay for it with your Mastercard ... am I forgetting a few?

There are more....but "Nothing beats a new car smell....Chicken Parm you taste so good."  

[BullsColtsFan1]

I am too lazy to check, but was that not the time he went for 63?  I know MJ played a hell of a game as sick as he was.

No it was not he had 38 pts 7 reb 5 asts that game.  The 63 point game was against the Celtics in the 80's.  He also scored 69 against the Cavs in the late 80s early 90s.

[southwest1]

Yes, Jordan is def. global and has done a great job marketing himself.

 

I think in terms of Brady, it is a marketing bonanza for sponsors. He has maybe the best story in sports being a sixth round pick who was predicted to do nothing but hold a clip board his entire career and then he goes on to have a historic career, then he has the good looks, the all Amercian family background, and of course the super model wife AND he is pretty good in front of the camera. I am not sure there is another athlete that has all that in their marketing arsenal.

Not that I look at guys, but I could see TB getting a Senate seat in Massachusetts after he retires from football. I have no career in advertising so I will admit that I have no authority or no expertise in this area at all flat out. 

 

One thing I wonder about though is shelf life. Elite QB's play for 10-12 years on average & supermodels have roughly just over a decade in the limelight at the zenith of their popularity & earning power fiscally. Are models really that famous after they are no longer deemed the it face on the cover of trendy fashion magazines though? Not really. And even if Brady was richly successfully in politics down the road, after he is gone from football for 10 years, will his influence be the same as it is in 2015? I doubt it. 

 

MJ is different because he owns the Hornets & he still has his foot tied into the NBA & what made him a household name. TB won't have his fame 2 decades later that MJ does because he isn't firmly employed in the same sport that made him a celebrity & world renowned as a young man. I don't see TB becoming part owner of the Patriots with Robert Kraft as a middle aged man myself. JMO AMF. 

[radiogirl]

Yeah, I think I'll pass on that ...

Good call. And by the way, companies and people care about brand for financial reasons. To make money. Who has made more e money? Jordan. Stop spewing please.

[amfootball]

Not that I look at guys, but I could see TB getting a Senate seat in Massachusetts after he retires from football. I have no career in advertising so I no expertise here at all flat out. 

 

One thing I wonder about though is shelf life. Elite QB's play for 10-12 years on average & supermodels have roughly just over a decade in the limelight at the zenith of their popularity & earning power fiscally. Are models really that famous after they are no longer deemed the it face on the cover of trendy fashion magazines though? Not really. And even if Brady was richly successfully in politics down the road, after he is gone from football for 10 years, will his influence be the same as it is in 2015? I doubt it. 

 

MJ is different because he owns the Hornets & he still has his foot tied into the NBA & what made him a household name. TB won't have his fame 2 decades later that MJ does because he isn't firmly employed in the same sport that made him a celebrity & world renowned as a young man. I don't see TB becoming part owner of the Patriots with Robert Kraft as a middle aged man myself. JMO AMF. 

Great points SW. No one is really sure what Brady will do. There has been some scuttle lately that he wants to get into acting so if he has similar success acting as he has in football then his star power would only increase. I do think the world is his oyster much like Manning's upon retirement. They are both so well spoken and savvy in their business ventures that I would think the sky is the limit. Although I agree that Manning is probably more likely destined for a post-career in football like MJ with b-ball versus Brady. Brady seems to have other interests outside the sport and I would think his wife would weigh as well.

 

In terms of models, they continue their endorsements and such after retirement. Cindy Crawford at age 49 is still out and about but similar to athletes they go into other things - acting, business, charities, etc ...

[BrentMc11]

No it was not he had 38 pts 7 reb 5 asts that game.  The 63 point game was against the Celtics in the 80's.  He also scored 69 against the Cavs in the late 80s early 90s.

Thank you for the clarification.