Huge problems remain

[Stillen]

lol, seriously? You guys are banking on two 2nd year players to hopefully make the "2nd year leap"? It'll be so much fun watching the Colts get ran over like every other year, while we'll taste a bit of our own medicine with PA cause we don't have the DB's to cover. Huge problems isn't an overstatement, and if you're think that way you're naive. How long are you guys going to homers and ride Manning? He is getting older, Reggie is older, even the defensive players we ride are getting old. Mathis and Freeney are getting up there, and since the Colts management obviously have no intention of filling in voids and just making more.

Everyone in our division minus maybe the Titans have a better front 7 than us. And honestly, the Texans have a better quality team than we do now, its kind of sad really.

[Coffeedrinker]

lol, seriously? You guys are banking on two 2nd year players to hopefully make the "2nd year leap"?

Umm this is incorrect. Two LBers that played well as rookies improving in their 2nd year is pretty common in the NFL. But even if they play exactly the same as last year the defense can be improved.

It'll be so much fun watching the Colts get ran over like every other year, while we'll taste a bit of our own medicine with PA cause we don't have the DB's to cover.

Obviously you are not a Colts fan, if you think it's fun to watch the Colts get ran over.

Huge problems isn't an overstatement, and if you're think that way you're naive.

It is an overstatement.

How long are you guys going to homers and ride Manning? He is getting older, Reggie is older, even the defensive players we ride are getting old. Mathis and Freeney are getting up there, and since the Colts management obviously have no intention of filling in voids and just making more.

Please name one player in the NFL who is not getting older.

Everyone in our division minus maybe the Titans have a better front 7 than us. And honestly, the Texans have a better quality team than we do now, its kind of sad really.

You call other naive and then you type a sentence that is the definition of being naive. Now that is funny.

[Stillen]

Umm this is incorrect. Two LBers that played well as rookies improving in their 2nd year is pretty common in the NFL. But even if they play exactly the same as last year the defense can be improved.

Obviously you are not a Colts fan, if you think it's fun to watch the Colts get ran over.

It is an overstatement.

Please name one player in the NFL who is not getting older.

You call other naive and then you type a sentence that is the definition of being naive. Now that is funny.

lol, trust me I am a Colts fan and you obviously don't understand sarcasm. Of course I don't think it'll be fun watching them get ran over, but with how the Colts look as a team right now its not as pretty as everyone thinks. And yeah everyone does get older, but some are older than others smartbutt. And I know its common for players to make make major strides in their 2nd year, but everyone here is thinking its absolutely going to happen, what happens when it doesn't? And quite frankly you haven't made any comments about how we don't have any problems other than saying that we don't have major problems so why don't you enlighten me since you're the genius.

And why am I so naive about the Texans being a better quality team than us right now. O-Line is just as solid as ours, Schaub isn't a Peyton Manning but arguably a top 10 QB, they have what seems to be a top 5 runningback, if that isn't the case its better than any back we have right now. WR depth is solid along with Andre Johnson who I would say is now better than Reggie. And Owen Daniels who wasn't the same this past year but still a quality pass catching TE.

Defensively, their backers are far better than ours with Mario Williams and Brain Cushing rushing the passers. Ryan in the middle is better than Brackett. So overall their front seven is better and their secondary is almost as good after we lost Hayden. On paper they're a better team overall, I may be going out on a limn here, but its an opinion that may be true if we don't fix some of our problems.

[Coffeedrinker]

lol, trust me I am a Colts fan and you obviously don't understand sarcasm.

Sarcasm I understand, idiocy I don't

Of course I don't think it'll be fun watching them get ran over, but with how the Colts look as a team right now its not as pretty as everyone thinks.

Nor is it as bleak as everyone thinks.

And yeah everyone does get older, but some are older than others smartbutt.

I'm guessing you received a fine public education with insight like that. :FBsmiley:

And I know its common for players to make make major strides in their 2nd year, but everyone here is thinking its absolutely going to happen, what happens when it doesn't?

What happens when it does? There

And quite frankly you haven't made any comments about how we don't have any problems other than saying that we don't have major problems

I've typed at length on what I think are the Colts weak areas and what I think are their strong areas in various threads. But I will give you a quick run down

Manning - Best ever

Painter - I'm not a fan but I think he's more capable than most people think

The rest - CAmp/Preseason arms.

Addai - Excellent back for the Colts

Brown - Don't know why he was drafted

Carter - Seems like a good draft pick

James - Does not belong in the NFL

Rhodes - will not make it out of camp

Rest - May make the team with special team duties.

Wayne - Still a 100 catch 1300 yard 10 TD WR

Collie - One of the best WRs in the NFL

Garcon - Good for 45-65 catches a year and a half dozen TDs

Gonzo - excellent WR needs to stay healthy.

White - Will stick because he has good hands but Manning sure yelled at him a lot last year.

Clark - Top 5 TE and integral part of the Colts

Tamme - proven, capable back-up

Eldridge - Who knows

Diem - better than many give credit

Pollack - probably be the starting guard on opening day. Really improved last year

Saturday - smartest, best technical center in the league

DeVan - will probably not be a starter but a good back-up to have on the team

AC - Will start at LT by default.

Back-ups - Solid corps of back-up onlineman

Freeney - Still strikes fear in OC

Mathis - Still strikes fear in OC

Moala - Showed last year why the Colts drafted him. Will emerge as a real playmaker

Mookie - Good for 4 or 5 plays then needs 2 or 3 series off.

Nevis - Appears to be a good draft pick and will probably get 15-18 snaps a game.

Rest - good rotational players will be interesting to see Anderson in the mix.

Brackett - under-rated MLB, played injured a lot last year.

Angerer - Future probowler at LB. Hs excellent tools will read and react skills did improve and will improve with playing time.

Conner - Good against the run, struggles against the pass.

The rest - With Wheeler and the addition of Sims this is a solid but unspectacular group

Powers - Has all the tools to be up there with the top CBs, needs to stay healthy

Tryon - Very good starting quality CB who will benefit from a full training camp with the Colts

Lacey - Solid nickle back should not play on the outside

Thomas - Should be the starting nickle back this year if he can stay healthy.

The rest, really don't know enough about.

Bethea - Excellent safety cornerstone of the DBs

Bullitt - Not great but makes very few mistakes

Silva - Not a fan but solid ST.

Alfava - Seems like he could unseat Bullitt.

The rest - Don't know much about. Personally I would like to see the Colts sign Whitner but if they don't I won't cry about how the team doesn't sign free agents or think they can't go to the SB because they didn't make the moves I wanted them to make.

AV - clutch

MacAfee - excellent punter and kick off specialist. 35 yard rule will help the Colts a lot.

so why don't you enlighten me since you're the genius.

Funny how many people call me that, yet I've never said I'm a genius... I guess I don't have to.

And why am I so naive about the Texans being a better quality team than us right now. O-Line is just as solid as ours, Schaub isn't a Peyton Manning but arguably a top 10 QB, they have what seems to be a top 5 runningback, if that isn't the case its better than any back we have right now. WR depth is solid along with Andre Johnson who I would say is now better than Reggie. And Owen Daniels who wasn't the same this past year but still a quality pass catching TE.

Defensively, their backers are far better than ours with Mario Williams and Brain Cushing rushing the passers. Ryan in the middle is better than Brackett. So overall their front seven is better and their secondary is almost as good after we lost Hayden. On paper they're a better team overall, I may be going out on a limn here, but its an opinion that may be true if we don't fix some of our problems.

Because the line is not just as solid as the Colts. They are not much better at run blocking (they use a FB) and the pass blocking is not nearly as good as the Colts. Aj is a top receiver, none of the rest would be above 5th on the Colts depth chart. Daniels is a very good TE, about on par with Tamme. Their dline is a mess, Cushing post steriods is an average LB. Ryans is the real deal who is coming back from injury and the comment about their backers is hilarious and shows, even more so, why the comment was naive. Their secondary is very pourous (they ranked 32 in the NFL in pass yards given up). Daniel Manning should help but they still need a lot of work in the secondary. Foster had an excellent year last year. He needs to follow it up with another good year to be considered a top 5 back.

[Mouthfire]

Sarcasm I understand, idiocy I don't

Nor is it as bleak as everyone thinks.

I'm guessing you received a fine public education with insight like that. :FBsmiley:

What happens when it does? There

I've typed at length on what I think are the Colts weak areas and what I think are their strong areas in various threads. But I will give you a quick run down

Manning - Best ever

Painter - I'm not a fan but I think he's more capable than most people think

The rest - CAmp/Preseason arms.

Addai - Excellent back for the Colts

Brown - Don't know why he was drafted

Carter - Seems like a good draft pick

James - Does not belong in the NFL

Rhodes - will not make it out of camp

Rest - May make the team with special team duties.

Wayne - Still a 100 catch 1300 yard 10 TD WR

Collie - One of the best WRs in the NFL

Garcon - Good for 45-65 catches a year and a half dozen TDs

Gonzo - excellent WR needs to stay healthy.

White - Will stick because he has good hands but Manning sure yelled at him a lot last year.

Clark - Top 5 TE and integral part of the Colts

Tamme - proven, capable back-up

Eldridge - Who knows

Diem - better than many give credit

Pollack - probably be the starting guard on opening day. Really improved last year

Saturday - smartest, best technical center in the league

DeVan - will probably not be a starter but a good back-up to have on the team

AC - Will start at LT by default.

Back-ups - Solid corps of back-up onlineman

Freeney - Still strikes fear in OC

Mathis - Still strikes fear in OC

Moala - Showed last year why the Colts drafted him. Will emerge as a real playmaker

Mookie - Good for 4 or 5 plays then needs 2 or 3 series off.

Nevis - Appears to be a good draft pick and will probably get 15-18 snaps a game.

Rest - good rotational players will be interesting to see Anderson in the mix.

Brackett - under-rated MLB, played injured a lot last year.

Angerer - Future probowler at LB. Hs excellent tools will read and react skills did improve and will improve with playing time.

Conner - Good against the run, struggles against the pass.

The rest - With Wheeler and the addition of Sims this is a solid but unspectacular group

Powers - Has all the tools to be up there with the top CBs, needs to stay healthy

Tryon - Very good starting quality CB who will benefit from a full training camp with the Colts

Lacey - Solid nickle back should not play on the outside

Thomas - Should be the starting nickle back this year if he can stay healthy.

The rest, really don't know enough about.

Bethea - Excellent safety cornerstone of the DBs

Bullitt - Not great but makes very few mistakes

Silva - Not a fan but solid ST.

Alfava - Seems like he could unseat Bullitt.

The rest - Don't know much about. Personally I would like to see the Colts sign Whitner but if they don't I won't cry about how the team doesn't sign free agents or think they can't go to the SB because they didn't make the moves I wanted them to make.

AV - clutch

MacAfee - excellent punter and kick off specialist. 35 yard rule will help the Colts a lot.

Funny how many people call me that, yet I've never said I'm a genius... I guess I don't have to.

Because the line is not just as solid as the Colts. They are not much better at run blocking (they use a FB) and the pass blocking is not nearly as good as the Colts. Aj is a top receiver, none of the rest would be above 5th on the Colts depth chart. Daniels is a very good TE, about on par with Tamme. Their dline is a mess, Cushing post steriods is an average LB. Ryans is the real deal who is coming back from injury and the comment about their backers is hilarious and shows, even more so, why the comment was naive. Their secondary is very pourous (they ranked 32 in the NFL in pass yards given up). Daniel Manning should help but they still need a lot of work in the secondary. Foster had an excellent year last year. He needs to follow it up with another good year to be considered a top 5 back.

And not to mention, they're overhauling their entire defensive scheme from a 4-3 to a 3-4 this year, and asking their best defensive player (Mario Williams ) to play off the line of scrimmage with his hands off the ground, which he's never done before.

[Coffeedrinker]

And not to mention, they're overhauling their entire defensive scheme from a 4-3 to a 3-4 this year, and asking their best defensive player (Mario Williams ) to play off the line of scrimmage with his hands off the ground, which he's never done before.

Yeah, that too.

[chrisfarley]

I think we all realize how long a season this will be for the following reasons:

1) Injuries will plague this team again. It's simply too old of a team not to be. (come back later in season and tell me I was right, cause I am!)

2) Manning neck will be a pain in the ______ oh, neck

3) Offensive Line will be an Offensive Line (Polian, this one's on you)

4) Free Agent signings are so far, a joke, like always

5) Defensive woes were sooo atrocious last year that I think everybody really does forget about how bad it was because of the other turmoil going on.

6) We didn't wait for Bob Sanders to get healthy. He will be terrorizing people vs. the Chargers. He is the real deal and will be awesome this year!

mark my words on all of this.

THANKS FOR READING Y'ALL!!!

[Stillen]

Sarcasm I understand, idiocy I don't

Nor is it as bleak as everyone thinks.

I'm guessing you received a fine public education with insight like that. :FBsmiley:

What happens when it does? There

I've typed at length on what I think are the Colts weak areas and what I think are their strong areas in various threads. But I will give you a quick run down

Manning - Best ever

Painter - I'm not a fan but I think he's more capable than most people think

The rest - CAmp/Preseason arms.

Addai - Excellent back for the Colts

Brown - Don't know why he was drafted

Carter - Seems like a good draft pick

James - Does not belong in the NFL

Rhodes - will not make it out of camp

Rest - May make the team with special team duties.

Wayne - Still a 100 catch 1300 yard 10 TD WR

Collie - One of the best WRs in the NFL

Garcon - Good for 45-65 catches a year and a half dozen TDs

Gonzo - excellent WR needs to stay healthy.

White - Will stick because he has good hands but Manning sure yelled at him a lot last year.

Clark - Top 5 TE and integral part of the Colts

Tamme - proven, capable back-up

Eldridge - Who knows

Diem - better than many give credit

Pollack - probably be the starting guard on opening day. Really improved last year

Saturday - smartest, best technical center in the league

DeVan - will probably not be a starter but a good back-up to have on the team

AC - Will start at LT by default.

Back-ups - Solid corps of back-up onlineman

Freeney - Still strikes fear in OC

Mathis - Still strikes fear in OC

Moala - Showed last year why the Colts drafted him. Will emerge as a real playmaker

Mookie - Good for 4 or 5 plays then needs 2 or 3 series off.

Nevis - Appears to be a good draft pick and will probably get 15-18 snaps a game.

Rest - good rotational players will be interesting to see Anderson in the mix.

Brackett - under-rated MLB, played injured a lot last year.

Angerer - Future probowler at LB. Hs excellent tools will read and react skills did improve and will improve with playing time.

Conner - Good against the run, struggles against the pass.

The rest - With Wheeler and the addition of Sims this is a solid but unspectacular group

Powers - Has all the tools to be up there with the top CBs, needs to stay healthy

Tryon - Very good starting quality CB who will benefit from a full training camp with the Colts

Lacey - Solid nickle back should not play on the outside

Thomas - Should be the starting nickle back this year if he can stay healthy.

The rest, really don't know enough about.

Bethea - Excellent safety cornerstone of the DBs

Bullitt - Not great but makes very few mistakes

Silva - Not a fan but solid ST.

Alfava - Seems like he could unseat Bullitt.

The rest - Don't know much about. Personally I would like to see the Colts sign Whitner but if they don't I won't cry about how the team doesn't sign free agents or think they can't go to the SB because they didn't make the moves I wanted them to make.

AV - clutch

MacAfee - excellent punter and kick off specialist. 35 yard rule will help the Colts a lot.

Funny how many people call me that, yet I've never said I'm a genius... I guess I don't have to.

Because the line is not just as solid as the Colts. They are not much better at run blocking (they use a FB) and the pass blocking is not nearly as good as the Colts. Aj is a top receiver, none of the rest would be above 5th on the Colts depth chart. Daniels is a very good TE, about on par with Tamme. Their dline is a mess, Cushing post steriods is an average LB. Ryans is the real deal who is coming back from injury and the comment about their backers is hilarious and shows, even more so, why the comment was naive. Their secondary is very pourous (they ranked 32 in the NFL in pass yards given up). Daniel Manning should help but they still need a lot of work in the secondary. Foster had an excellent year last year. He needs to follow it up with another good year to be considered a top 5 back.

And you can sit there and call me an *. Angerer a future pro bowler? He hasn't proven anything to be even close. Diem is not better than given credit, he was getting beat all year. Tryon is an okay starting corner with potential, but near the bottom tier of starting CB's. Moala showed some flashes of being an okay DT, but nothing special. Brackett is underrated but not a top tier back. You're giving way to much credit to some of these players. Daniels, before his injury a couple years ago was going to have a phenomenal year. So on par with Tamme? Tamme was a beneficiary of Peyton Manning and nothing more cause he hasn't really proven himself. He shows some potential. And my secondary comment naive? Johnathan Joseph is better than Powers. Bethea is better than who ever plays FS for them. SS is about even and Brandon Harris will probably end up being a pro bowler you know because his instincts are so good and all. And so then the Colts start using a full back and then Addai has a year as the rushing leader too right?

Brian Cushing and Ryan better than backs on the Colts. If we're looking at a 4-3 format, Mario Williams is just a good a DE as Freney or Mathis and is better in run support. JJ Watt would be a DT and I'd take him over Johnson or Moala. You give way to much credit to some of the players on the Colts. In argument you need to stop the homerism and stop being blinded by it.

[Smonroe]

Coffeedrinker - nice summary. I gave up long ago trying to talk to people who only see doom. Common sense says that any team is no better (or worse) than the previous season unless they upgrade. Or they get worse if they lose key players or have key injuries.

We were a playoff team without key players and a number of supporting players on IR. We got back the keys and some of the supporters. We POTENTIALLY have some promise in our rookies. We have added a few FA's that may contribute. NO ONE CAN PREDICT INJURIES.

Now for our competition - Texans are the best by far. How many teams switch their D and make it work the first year? Jags improved, but does anyone not think after Garrards first bad game the fans will be calling for their rookie? Titans - look at Hasselback's injury history. He hurt his back running into the endzone last year. And IMHO, Locker is very inaccurate.

But that's not going to convince those who think that somehow we're going to regress this year. I know I'll have fun watching every game no matter the outcome. I feel sorry for those who can't enjoy a good thing.

[everybodysgotone]

Coffeedrinker - nice summary. I gave up long ago trying to talk to people who only see doom. Common sense says that any team is no better (or worse) than the previous season unless they upgrade. Or they get worse if they lose key players or have key injuries.

We were a playoff team without key players and a number of supporting players on IR. We got back the keys and some of the supporters. We POTENTIALLY have some promise in our rookies. We have added a few FA's that may contribute. NO ONE CAN PREDICT INJURIES.

Now for our competition - Texans are the best by far. How many teams switch their D and make it work the first year? Jags improved, but does anyone not think after Garrards first bad game the fans will be calling for their rookie? Titans - look at Hasselback's injury history. He hurt his back running into the endzone last year. And IMHO, Locker is very inaccurate.

But that's not going to convince those who think that somehow we're going to regress this year. I know I'll have fun watching every game no matter the outcome. I feel sorry for those who can't enjoy a good thing.

Spot-on.

[Coffeedrinker]

And you can sit there and call me an *.

Yes, and the rest of your post proves it.

[Coffeedrinker]

Coffeedrinker - nice summary. I gave up long ago trying to talk to people who only see doom. Common sense says that any team is no better (or worse) than the previous season unless they upgrade. Or they get worse if they lose key players or have key injuries.

We were a playoff team without key players and a number of supporting players on IR. We got back the keys and some of the supporters. We POTENTIALLY have some promise in our rookies. We have added a few FA's that may contribute. NO ONE CAN PREDICT INJURIES.

Now for our competition - Texans are the best by far. How many teams switch their D and make it work the first year? Jags improved, but does anyone not think after Garrards first bad game the fans will be calling for their rookie? Titans - look at Hasselback's injury history. He hurt his back running into the endzone last year. And IMHO, Locker is very inaccurate.

But that's not going to convince those who think that somehow we're going to regress this year. I know I'll have fun watching every game no matter the outcome. I feel sorry for those who can't enjoy a good thing.

You are a wise man Mr. Monroe.

[A.J. Colt]

Eagles do....

Eagles don't have anyone at LB or Safety and Oline isn't great Vick covers it up

[jvan1973]

Hey Stillen... Go get in line for your new Texans jersey... We wil be here watching the Colts win the South ... Yet again