Fire Pep

[theomaestro]

 

The thought process behind this is puzzling to say the least... 

 

So let's just take a look here.

 

87 pass attempts so far (tied for 2nd highest in the league) for 526 yards (7th highest in the league) 

52 rushing attempts (17th in the league) for 223 yards (20th in the league)

 

We're throwing a lot already. Now if you're trying to talk about when we decide to throw versus when we decide to run that's an entirely different discussion, but it's already shown we're throwing lot. 

Look at the average length of a completion. The long ball is completely out of the package.

[Jason_]

The credit given to Pep was for last year, 2013, with all the injuries, the "diddly squat" comment applied to this year, 2014, and I am standing by it. I am not sure how the diddly-squat comment for this year makes the credit given for last year go out the door. But I suppose it makes no difference.

 

You're right, the Colts hired Pep Hamilton, and we fans have to live with it......for now. I am just here voicing my opinion, even if I am in the minority. You and I just have to agree to disagree it appears, my friend.

 

To the first paragraph, ok yes I'll give you that.  You did give him credit for making adjustments in 2013 and the diddly-squat comment was only in reference to so far this year.  Fair enough.

 

However I still can't understand how you can stand by the diddly squat comment for so far this year.  How about the 169 rushing yards in the Philly game?  

[Jeff Tolle]

No, open the playbook or be fired is what the OP is saying I do believe

2:30 left, tie game, and we run the same two running plays that we have ran 15-20 times already. Then, in a predictable fashion we try to pass it on third down, and the Eagles apply pressure, incompletion. Could you be any more incompetent in your job?

[Jeff Tolle]

You should change your name to Jeff TROLL

So, I have question for the cynical, judgemental, topic critics?

Are you guys happy with the play calling on our last drive???

[Jeff Tolle]

If you don't feed them, they go away.

Good luck with that.

[Superman]

Good luck with that.

 

Thanks.

[TKnight24]

Everytime someone has a differing opinion they're considered a troll. Or if they're new and weren't around when a thread was created and create a similar thread, it's trolling?

Never understood the logic behind that

"I differ what they prefer, so they count me like the census"

[Dudley Smith]

To the first paragraph, ok yes I'll give you that.  You did give him credit for making adjustments in 2013 and the diddly-squat comment was only in reference to so far this year.  Fair enough.

 

However I still can't understand how you can stand by the diddly squat comment for so far this year.  How about the 169 rushing yards in the Philly game?  

 

I liked the rush yards in the 1st half. What I didn't like was slow start to the second half due to Pep's inability to adapt to the change the Eagles made at halftime that let the Eagles climb back in the game or the horrendous play-calls in the 4th quarter. An NFL-level coordinator needs to be able to adapt. Our boys lost the game, so despite 169 rush yards I am not happy. Just like I am not happy the Colts lost to the Broncos even though Luck had 300+ passing yards. "You play to win the game," and each game saw the offense's struggles as a big reason they lost. That falls on the guy in charge of the offense.

[SilentHill]

Don't kid yourself..... This would be a 7-9 team if even that without Andrew Luck

He's the reason for the 11-5 seasons

 

Ahh, this again, people said I was crazy when I said the Colts were a 2 win team without Manning too...

[Dark Superman]

With these receivers Luck should be airing it out.,

[Stephen]

Already

[BlueShoe]

Everytime someone has a differing opinion they're considered a troll. Or if they're new and weren't around when a thread was created and create a similar thread, it's trolling?

Never understood the logic behind that

"I differ what they prefer, so they count me like the census"

 

Wow. I actually like something that you said.

[Blueblazes]

Everytime someone has a differing opinion they're considered a troll. Or if they're new and weren't around when a thread was created and create a similar thread, it's trolling?

Never understood the logic behind that

"I differ what they prefer, so they count me like the census"

 

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. Well stated.

[Superman]

Everytime someone has a differing opinion they're considered a troll. Or if they're new and weren't around when a thread was created and create a similar thread, it's trolling?

Never understood the logic behind that

"I differ what they prefer, so they count me like the census"

 

That's not true.

[BlueShoe]

Ahh, this again, people said I was crazy when I said the Colts were a 2 win team without Manning too...

 

I said the same thing. I received a lot of backlash for it.

 

I also told everyone that Irsay would fire Caldwell and Polian if we did not win, even without Peyton. 99% of the board disagreed with me, and they let me know how much they disagreed too.

 

Those people are now hiding under a rock, backtracking, or completely lying to them selves and everyone by acting like they never thought the way they did. 

[tfunky14]

So, I have question for the cynical, judgemental, topic critics?

Are you guys happy with the play calling on our last drive???

Actually the first run was for what 4 yards?

I had no problem with another run call, it just happen to get stuffed. I agree the Colts needed a drive for the win but do not leave Philly with any time left so the run calls were not a bad decision. And the fact the Colts ran the ball pretty darn good all night made me think it was a good call. 

 

The fact that everyone is complaining of Pep's play calling because of 2 plays at the end of the game makes me wonder if people just watch the last 2 minutes of the game.

 The Colts play calling last Monday night was very good, a good mix of pass and runs.

Lets say the Colts ran and mixed a few pass plays in during those last 3 minutes for a winning field goal, then everyone would be on here saying great job Pep!

[rabidfan77]

So let me get this right. Fire the coach who just won a division title? Helped rebuild a 2-14 team to two 11-5 record team that advanced last season to a playoff win. Fire the head coach who for the first time lost back to back games after playing two of the top teams in the NFL. This is a joke? right? You cant be serious. Never have I witnessed such a bunch of crying and whining fans in any forum. Always seeing nothing but negative while completely overlooking anything positive.

That's what the crybaby colts fans alway do on this forum...thats why I take LONG breaks from this forum too many impatient fans....Pagano is already suppose to be a SB champion, Luck is already suppose to be the best qb, and Grigson is suppose to talk teams into giving up an elite pass rusher without spending more than 1 draft pick in a trade...this forum is horrible you'd think we were raiders or browns fans...at least they have a reason to complain we're actually a pretty lucky franchise all things considered

[theomaestro]

That's not true.

What isn't true about it? I thought he made a very good post.

[Jason_]

2:30 left, tie game, and we run the same two running plays that we have ran 15-20 times already. Then, in a predictable fashion we try to pass it on third down, and the Eagles apply pressure, incompletion. Could you be any more incompetent in your job?

 

pssst...that drive started with 3:20+ left on the clock, plus 2 Colt timeouts and the 2 minute warning.  Yes the eagles applied pressure, but Luck also locked in on Wayne..didn't even really look anywhere else or he might have seen another receiver he could have thrown to or even a running lane that could have allowed him to pick up the first down.  

[Jason_]

Actually the first run was for what 4 yards?

I had no problem with another run call, it just happen to get stuffed. I agree the Colts needed a drive for the win but do not leave Philly with any time left so the run calls were not a bad decision. And the fact the Colts ran the ball pretty darn good all night made me think it was a good call. 

 

The fact that everyone is complaining of Pep's play calling because of 2 plays at the end of the game makes me wonder if people just watch the last 2 minutes of the game.

 The Colts play calling last Monday night was very good, a good mix of pass and runs.

Lets say the Colts ran and mixed a few pass plays in during those last 3 minutes for a winning field goal, then everyone would be on here saying great job Pep!

 

exactly!  Oh and the run on first down actually went for 6 yards.  

 

Also I've honestly come to the conclusion that most of the people complaining about the playcalling, especially on that last drive, heard Jon Gruden say that they shouldn't have run and they should be putting the ball in Luck's hands.  People..seriously, Jon Gruden is not a football God! Just because he said it does not make it true. In fact I disagree with a lot of the things he says during broadcasts.

[Jeff Tolle]

pssst...that drive started with 3:20+ left on the clock, plus 2 Colt timeouts and the 2 minute warning. Yes the eagles applied pressure, but Luck also locked in on Wayne..didn't even really look anywhere else or he might have seen another receiver he could have thrown to or even a running lane that could have allowed him to pick up the first down.

Copy, I should have went back to check the exact time. Sorry. Play calling still ____!

[Jason_]

Copy, I should have went back to check the exact time. Sorry. Play calling still ____!

 

No, no it didn't.  

[Superman]

What isn't true about it? I thought he made a very good post.

 

There's nothing wrong with being a new poster, or even being a contrarian new poster. A person is met with this kind of derision when their first topic is about firing a coach, when they are clearly only here to vent their frustrations in the most inflammatory manner they can think of, and when they respond to everyone who disagrees with them with personal insults. When the first post is riddled with name calling and profanity, rules violations that long time posters know don't fly here, etc.

 

Most of the initial responses to this thread were in agreement with the OP. That makes it false right there. Those who disagreed, like JasonS, gave actual rebuttals.

 

Personally, I'm rather annoyed with all the so-called persecuted posters acting like anyone who disagrees with them is trampling on their right to express a dissenting opinion. If you want to run around making sensational comments, and never want anyone to call you out on them, you're in the wrong place. Sorry. If you actually want to discuss the team, if you're willing to back up your arguments rather than attacking other posters for not agreeing with you, etc., then you'll probably have a good experience here.

[BlueShoe]

To Moderators. 

 

I never ask for anything, but I ask for just this one thing.

 

Please do NOT lock this thread.

 

"Fire Pep" Thread, Stand Up! You in the Hall of Fame, Baby!

[theomaestro]

There's nothing wrong with being a new poster, or even being a contrarian new poster. A person is met with this kind of derision when their first topic is about firing a coach, when they are clearly only here to vent their frustrations in the most inflammatory manner they can think of, and when they respond to everyone who disagrees with them with personal insults. When the first post is riddled with name calling and profanity, rules violations that long time posters know don't fly here, etc.

 

Most of the initial responses to this thread were in agreement with the OP. That makes it false right there. Those who disagreed, like JasonS, gave actual rebuttals.

 

Personally, I'm rather annoyed with all the so-called persecuted posters acting like anyone who disagrees with them is trampling on their right to express a dissenting opinion. If you want to run around making sensational comments, and never want anyone to call you out on them, you're in the wrong place. Sorry. If you actually want to discuss the team, if you're willing to back up your arguments rather than attacking other posters for not agreeing with you, etc., then you'll probably have a good experience here.

Fair enough.

[Jeff Tolle]

No, no it didn't.

You liked what Pep called? Really? Throw the ball, it plays to our strengths. We don't run the ball well enough, to be a power run team. Stupid calls

[Dudley Smith]

That's what the crybaby colts fans alway do on this forum...thats why I take LONG breaks from this forum too many impatient fans....Pagano is already suppose to be a SB champion, Luck is already suppose to be the best qb, and Grigson is suppose to talk teams into giving up an elite pass rusher without spending more than 1 draft pick in a trade...this forum is horrible you'd think we were raiders or browns fans...at least they have a reason to complain we're actually a pretty lucky franchise all things considered

 

"Crybabies." I like that even better than "whiners." That's what we are. Everything should be sunshine and roses and we shouldn't be allowed voice our frustrations on a message board or have an opinion that differs from the outright positive. Got it.

 

PS- God that would be boring.

[Superman]

 We don't run the ball well enough, to be a power run team. 

 

Was that true Monday night?

[Jason_]

You liked what Pep called? Really? Throw the ball, it plays to our strengths. We don't run the ball well enough, to be a power run team. Stupid calls

 

Really?  Because the Colts rushed for 169 yards that game and Luck struggled with accuracy and decision making for most of the game.  So, there's that. 

[Dudley Smith]

There's nothing wrong with being a new poster, or even being a contrarian new poster. A person is met with this kind of derision when their first topic is about firing a coach, when they are clearly only here to vent their frustrations in the most inflammatory manner they can think of, and when they respond to everyone who disagrees with them with personal insults. When the first post is riddled with name calling and profanity, rules violations that long time posters know don't fly here, etc.

 

Most of the initial responses to this thread were in agreement with the OP. That makes it false right there. Those who disagreed, like JasonS, gave actual rebuttals.

 

Personally, I'm rather annoyed with all the so-called persecuted posters acting like anyone who disagrees with them is trampling on their right to express a dissenting opinion. If you want to run around making sensational comments, and never want anyone to call you out on them, you're in the wrong place. Sorry. If you actually want to discuss the team, if you're willing to back up your arguments rather than attacking other posters for not agreeing with you, etc., then you'll probably have a good experience here.

 

JasonS and I had a pleasant argument. I don't recall anyone else being malicious in this thread either. The only thing I have seen is people who don't like Pep being called "whiners" and "crybabies." I think your annoyance is misdirected personally.

[Jeff Tolle]

Was that true Monday night?

One game, and we are a power running?

[Superman]

One game, and we are a power running?

 

It was a simple question, and it has a simple answer. Yes or no, were we good enough running the ball Monday night?

[lennymoore24]

You are so right!!! I much preferred the Tom Moore offense.  We won so many REGULAR season games.  We had the best QB in football and won.....ONE Super Bowl.  Yeah, that is so successful.   No thanks.  

[Jeff Tolle]

It was a simple question, and it has a simple answer. Yes or no, were we good enough running the ball Monday night?

Yes. You are correct we ran the ball surprisingly well, BUT .....the plays that were called on the last drive, we're questionable.

[lennymoore24]

pssst...that drive started with 3:20+ left on the clock, plus 2 Colt timeouts and the 2 minute warning.  Yes the eagles applied pressure, but Luck also locked in on Wayne..didn't even really look anywhere else or he might have seen another receiver he could have thrown to or even a running lane that could have allowed him to pick up the first down.  

 

I am so glad someone pointed that out.  Luck did it against Denver too.   If you watch a replay, Hilton was open. But he locked onto Wayne right away.  I realize Wayne is security blanket but I think teams have figured out he will usually go to Wayne when he needs a sure thing.

[Superman]

JasonS and I had a pleasant argument. I don't recall anyone else being malicious in this thread either. The only thing I have seen is people who don't like Pep being called "whiners" and "crybabies." I think your annoyance is misdirected personally.

 

The first post was malicious. Maybe you didn't read it before it was edited, but it was. (Not only that, it was factually incorrect, which is why JasonS responded to it in the first place.) Several other responses have been insulting.

 

Also, congratulations on helping me see that my personal annoyance is misdirected. I'm annoyed at the wrong thing, that's awesome. That's like me telling you that you're misdirecting your annoyance because you don't like being called a whiner or a crybaby.

 

See, I think you're dead wrong on this. I think the team is in good shape, and I think a lot of people have some unrealistic expectations because they are comparing our team to some other teams that are at different stages of their development, that have taken different paths, etc. I think there IS a need for patience and perspective, and people who are complaining about Pep and calling for him to be fired after what really amounts to a handful of not-so-good calls on Monday night are kind of missing the point of this whole exercise. But despite me thinking that you're wrong, I don't think you should be called a whiner or a crybaby, and I don't think that your annoyance at such is misdirected.

 

And again, back to the response to the OP, it was called out because it was rude, mean-spirited, and factually incorrect. Not because it featured an unpopular opinion. (As a matter of fact, being critical of Pep Hamilton is the popular opinion right about now.) If you or the OP or anyone else wants to talk about how much they dislike Pep, this is the place for it. But you will be confronted by people who disagree with you, just like you'd confront someone who wants to talk about how much they like Pep. That's really what this forum is for. What it's NOT for is for people to come in and spit all over coaches, players, and anyone who disagrees with them. 

[Superman]

Yes. You are correct we ran the ball surprisingly well, BUT .....the plays that were called on the last drive, we're questionable.

 

You could have led off with that. I agree.

 

I take issue with the thought that we can't run the football. The majority of the Eagles game proved that we can. Doesn't mean we need to just run it all day like fools, but the fact is that the run was a very effective part of our offensive attack.

[Dudley Smith]

The first post was malicious. Maybe you didn't read it before it was edited, but it was. (Not only that, it was factually incorrect, which is why JasonS responded to it in the first place.) Several other responses have been insulting.

 

Also, congratulations on helping me see that my personal annoyance is misdirected. I'm annoyed at the wrong thing, that's awesome. That's like me telling you that you're misdirecting your annoyance because you don't like being called a whiner or a crybaby.

 

See, I think you're dead wrong on this. I think the team is in good shape, and I think a lot of people have some unrealistic expectations because they are comparing our team to some other teams that are at different stages of their development, that have taken different paths, etc. I think there IS a need for patience and perspective, and people who are complaining about Pep and calling for him to be fired after what really amounts to a handful of not-so-good calls on Monday night are kind of missing the point of this whole exercise. But despite me thinking that you're wrong, I don't think you should be called a whiner or a crybaby, and I don't think that your annoyance at such is misdirected.

 

And again, back to the response to the OP, it was called out because it was rude, mean-spirited, and factually incorrect. Not because it featured an unpopular opinion. (As a matter of fact, being critical of Pep Hamilton is the popular opinion right about now.) If you or the OP or anyone else wants to talk about how much they dislike Pep, this is the place for it. But you will be confronted by people who disagree with you, just like you'd confront someone who wants to talk about how much they like Pep. That's really what this forum is for. What it's NOT for is for people to come in and spit all over coaches, players, and anyone who disagrees with them. 

 

First off, take it easy for a start. I wasn't trying to insult you or get personal. I am not sure why you are responding to what I said with such vehemence. Again, you're certainly entitled to your opinion just as I am mine. We'll agree to disagree. And no, I didn't see the non-edited original post of the OP. But outside of that I haven't seen anything malicious. The worst I have seen in this thread (I want to make that clear, maybe you've seen worse in another) is people who are upset with Pep being called whiners and crybabies. That was the only point I was making.

 

If the Colts win out and Pep's offense begins to produce off the charts, I will be the first to eat crow. And gladly. I just don't think it's going to happen.

[Jeff Tolle]

The first post was malicious. Maybe you didn't read it before it was edited, but it was. (Not only that, it was factually incorrect, which is why JasonS responded to it in the first place.) Several other responses have been insulting.

Also, congratulations on helping me see that my personal annoyance is misdirected. I'm annoyed at the wrong thing, that's awesome. That's like me telling you that you're misdirecting your annoyance because you don't like being called a whiner or a crybaby.

See, I think you're dead wrong on this. I think the team is in good shape, and I think a lot of people have some unrealistic expectations because they are comparing our team to some other teams that are at different stages of their development, that have taken different paths, etc. I think there IS a need for patience and perspective, and people who are complaining about Pep and calling for him to be fired after what really amounts to a handful of not-so-good calls on Monday night are kind of missing the point of this whole exercise. But despite me thinking that you're wrong, I don't think you should be called a whiner or a crybaby, and I don't think that your annoyance at such is misdirected.

And again, back to the response to the OP, it was called out because it was rude, mean-spirited, and factually incorrect. Not because it featured an unpopular opinion. (As a matter of fact, being critical of Pep Hamilton is the popular opinion right about now.) If you or the OP or anyone else wants to talk about how much they dislike Pep, this is the place for it. But you will be confronted by people who disagree with you, just like you'd confront someone who wants to talk about how much they like Pep. That's really what this forum is for. What it's NOT for is for people to come in and spit all over coaches, players, and anyone who disagrees with them.

The title of the thread was more of a question, I should have placed an actual ? behind it. Sorry. But, I am amused at the way some of the posters in the forum(not all), have this elitist attitude towards new, and or the occasional visitor/ member. Aren't 99% of us Colts fans anyways??? Go Colts.

[Superman]

First off, take it easy for a start. I wasn't trying to insult you or get personal. I am not sure why you are responding to what I said with such vehemence. Again, you're certainly entitled to your opinion just as I am mine. We'll agree to disagree. And no, I didn't see the non-edited original post of the OP. But outside of that I haven't seen anything malicious. The worst I have seen in this thread (I want to make that clear, maybe you've seen worse in another) is people who are upset with Pep being called whiners and crybabies. That was the only point I was making.

 

If the Colts win out and Pep's offense begins to produce off the charts, I will be the first to eat crow. And gladly. I just don't think it's going to happen.

 

There's no vehemence. Tone is hard to interpret over text, but to clarify, I'm not worked up at all.

 

Also, I think looking for the Colts to win out (really, 14 games in a row?) and the offense producing "off the charts" is a high threshold. A balanced offense that scores well in the red zone and converts on third down with minimal turnovers is an offense I can get behind, personally.