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17 minutes ago, colts89 said:

Those are all first rounders, and mostly top 15 picks at that...

 

I guess I should have mentioned I consider a top pick being in the first half of the first round.

 

Good luck finding the next Brady  in the sixth lmao. 

 

I agree but there's a pretty long list of later round picks that have been great QBs and even a few super bowl winners taken in later rounds.  Guys like Rypien and Staubach and even Starr.  If I'm not mistaken I think Theismann was a late round pick.  

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44 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

I misread what the website said but none of these QBs were top 1st round picks.

I think it was a fantasy football site. 

My point is it doesn't take a top 5 1st rd draft pick to find a franchise QB.

True dat.  Still, the position is bid up to the point that most 1st round QBs have a high bust potential.  Ya gotta take a chance and get lucky some time!

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15 minutes ago, Archer said:

True dat.  Still, the position is bid up to the point that most 1st round QBs have a high bust potential.  Ya gotta take a chance and get lucky some time!

Of course. A GM will not find a franchise QB if he never takes a gamble. Maybe it's time to draft 2 QBs? 

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On 12/20/2022 at 1:49 PM, Dobbinblitz said:

The team could do all that, but the only thing that will truly move the needle on this franchise is to find the long term answer at the Quarterback position.

Hopefully, the team sees that in one of the QB's in this draft class.

If so, they should whatever is necessary to go get that QB.

it takes 2 or 3 years for a rookie qb to develop we can start foles and let the rookie  develop meanwhile we build up the other positions so we have talent when the rookie is ready

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On 12/20/2022 at 1:49 PM, Dobbinblitz said:

The team could do all that, but the only thing that will truly move the needle on this franchise is to find the long term answer at the Quarterback position.

Hopefully, the team sees that in one of the QB's in this draft class.

If so, they should whatever is necessary to go get that QB.

we should draft qb until we hit on one, so many are draft busts, we have to keep drafting until we hit on one

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On 12/20/2022 at 2:09 PM, DougDew said:

Don't stray from the formula.

 

QB, EDGE, LT, and Flanker are the most important positions in the NFL.

 

Don't reach for a QB if an elite EDGE is there.  Replace Yannick and play the elite rusher opposite Paye.

 

If neither is there, yes an LT that is truly worth a top 7 pick is a game changer for the oline for 12 years.  Who cares if you have a 3rd round rookie playing pretty well.  Find places for all of the other olinemen if you have to.  Adding a truly elite olineman will advance the talent of the entire unit.

 

If there was truly a flanker worthy of a top 7 pick, then move Pitt or AP to slot and let them all shuffle and settle to the best positions.

 

Maybe the same thing said about DT.....how long will Buck be here...or can he be traded.

 

Never ignore an opportunity to advance the talent at the most important positions in football. 

 

Top 10 picks don't happen often.  Use them correctly.

 

If there are simply no good options for improving those positions, then the draft cards fell against you.  So trade down and pick up more good players at other positions.  Or get another pick next year to push the capital back one more year to move up to then get one of those important players.

Flanker? But I barely even know her...:funny:

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On 12/21/2022 at 1:44 PM, crazycolt1 said:

I misread what the website said but none of these QBs were top 1st round picks.

I think it was a fantasy football site. 

My point is it doesn't take a top 5 1st rd draft pick to find a franchise QB.

agree! therefore pick one in the 2nd rd

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If you’re trading the first pick, you need the get another 1st round pick next year if you are planning to wait another year to get your QB. And hope you’re a top 10 pick next year and that other pick is mid to high so you can move up to 1-2 next draft. I just don’t think it’s worth the risk for QBs that may or may not be great just like this draft. Any of these QBs could show how much they suck before the 2024 draft and then you’re sitting there with worse options than this year. 
 

unlike some, I’d draft a QB with this years first and next years and let the best man win. 

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2 hours ago, stitches said:

This is the old "spend the most valuable resources we have on anything except for the most valuable position in the league" take. I would never understand that idea and what leads people to it. To me it's baffling.

ask the NY Jets they took the 2nd overall pick for a qb. they have a team ready to win the only thing holding them back is they thought they have to draft the Man with that high pick

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36 minutes ago, ruf said:

ask the NY Jets they took the 2nd overall pick for a qb. they have a team ready to win the only thing holding them back is they thought they have to draft the Man with that high pick

And if they had drafted any other position, they would still be in the exact same situation they are in now - in need of a franchise QB. Teams draft busts at all positions. A particular bad pick doesn't prove anything. If you need a QB and you have a high pick and a QB you love is there to be picked, you pick him. It's really that simple. QB is sooo much more valuable than every other position that until you have the guy very little else matters. And the Jets are actually a great example for that. They have a great team and young emerging stars all over the roster but because they don't have the QB they are a middling team. Their mistake was not that they drafted a QB with no. 2 in the draft. Their mistake was that they drafted the wrong QB.

 

And they will continue being a middling to bad team until they get a franchise QB. Just like huge majority of teams in the league. Just like us.

 

Finding a franchise QB is not easy. It might be one of the hardest tasks in sports. You might miss on some. That doesn't mean you don't even try. It means the complete opposite - you try and if you miss, you try again... and again... and again until you hit. Because the alternative is worse...

The alternative is a string of other teams' rejects/failures or QBs looking for a retirement home. Pretty much what we have been after Luck's retirement. And BTW what we have been is... "in the upper quartile of the upper quartile" of situations like ours. Most others in that situation are even worse than us.

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On 12/20/2022 at 2:04 PM, Gigc said:

Oh yeah, and by the by, while Unitas was a surprise and became one of the greatest QBs ever, Jones was chosen Second overall in the 1973 draft. Peyton and Andrew were the first picks in the draft.

 

Other starting Colt QBs over the years. Pagel, Schlicter, hogeboom, erickson, chandler, trudeau, harbaugh, domres ... you know?

I can't believe there is No mention of Jeff George.  I'm an old timer too.

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On 12/23/2022 at 3:05 PM, stitches said:

And if they had drafted any other position, they would still be in the exact same situation they are in now - in need of a franchise QB. Teams draft busts at all positions. A particular bad pick doesn't prove anything. If you need a QB and you have a high pick and a QB you love is there to be picked, you pick him. It's really that simple. QB is sooo much more valuable than every other position that until you have the guy very little else matters. And the Jets are actually a great example for that. They have a great team and young emerging stars all over the roster but because they don't have the QB they are a middling team. Their mistake was not that they drafted a QB with no. 2 in the draft. Their mistake was that they drafted the wrong QB.

 

And they will continue being a middling to bad team until they get a franchise QB. Just like huge majority of teams in the league. Just like us.

 

Finding a franchise QB is not easy. It might be one of the hardest tasks in sports. You might miss on some. That doesn't mean you don't even try. It means the complete opposite - you try and if you miss, you try again... and again... and again until you hit. Because the alternative is worse...

The alternative is a string of other teams' rejects/failures or QBs looking for a retirement home. Pretty much what we have been after Luck's retirement. And BTW what we have been is... "in the upper quartile of the upper quartile" of situations like ours. Most others in that situation are even worse than us.

Watching Denver -Rams now. What happened to Russell Wilson ?  I'm sure the Broncos thought they were getting a franchise Qb also. They are in No better shape than us.

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28 minutes ago, joeb said:

I can't believe there is No mention of Jeff George.  I'm an old timer too.

Was aiming more for the plethora of names people might not remember.

Personally, I thought we gave up on george too quickly. As much as he posted people off, he had a few good years in 'lantana and with the raiders

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