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Years of poor drafting and mismanagemet have caused this mess to happen. In 2010 we saw it start to fall apart with nearly losing the divison to the Jaguars. Lack of depth everywhere with injuries.

This past season showed just how bad things have gotten everywhere. There was also again, little depth and most importantly at QB.

With Irsay firing just about everyone it became clear to me (or so I thought) this team was rebuilding.

If you are starting over why do you have Manning? It makes little sense to me. I don't see this as being a SB caliber team anytime soon. Not with a rookie HC. And not with Houston in this division. Be honest with yourselves. Houston even without Schaub was a contender. That is scary. Add in Schaub and they are a top 5 team in just about every statistical category.

You bring back Peyton and not only is it going to be difficult to win a title it's going to be tough to even make the playoffs IMO.

This team has been the Peyton's for years. Personally, I want to see a team again.

This does not mean I don't love and appreciate all Manning has done and hope he has a healthy future. It means I care deeply about the future of this organization as well and I don't think it helps the team or Manning to have them co-exist right now. I really don't.

If this rubs some the wrong way I am sorry.

I had to get this off my chest.

Lastly, there is no reason for the Manning camp to release information this week or to do interviews. It is taking away attention from the two QBs in the SB who deserve the spotlight.

All I know is I remember you on the old Colts board and you bashed Peyton and Dungy a lot back then when we were winning. I never did understand why.

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I don't see keeping both Manning & Luck as a good situation for either player. I don't see it as a good situation for the Colts from a cap perspective when so much money is going to need to be spent on other free agents.

It would be a luxury, and it would come at the cost of other positions being weakened by roster cuts, or the failure to resign some players.

I don't see what difference it makes for Manning. If he's healthy, he's the starter. The Luck issue matters not. And while Luck would obviously want to be playing rather than watching, a young quarterback would benefit from sitting behind a veteran like Manning.

Cap-wise, it's not ideal. But it's doable. 1) The cap is going up in a couple years. 2) Manning had a cap hit of $19 to $21 million in 2009 and 2010, and we had a pretty good team. That's what the combined Manning+Luck cap hit would be in 2012, based on the numbers as they stand now. The idea that it puts us in some sort of unheard of and unpalatable salary cap heck is not accurate. Rework Freeney, release Brackett, resign Mathis, Garcon and a couple others, maybe get a pick for Clark, couple that with a good draft and some health, and you're back in range.

And yes, it would be a luxury, and that's why it's worthy of consideration. Quarterback is the most important position in sports, period. Like I said, if you do it right, then you can be a good team now, and have a foundation for the future.

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I don't see what difference it makes for Manning. If he's healthy, he's the starter. The Luck issue matters not. And while Luck would obviously want to be playing rather than watching, a young quarterback would benefit from sitting behind a veteran like Manning.

Cap-wise, it's not ideal. But it's doable. 1) The cap is going up in a couple years. 2) Manning had a cap hit of $19 to $21 million in 2009 and 2010, and we had a pretty good team. That's what the combined Manning+Luck cap hit would be in 2012, based on the numbers as they stand now. The idea that it puts us in some sort of unheard of and unpalatable salary cap heck is not accurate. Rework Freeney, release Brackett, resign Mathis, Garcon and a couple others, maybe get a pick for Clark, couple that with a good draft and some health, and you're back in range.

2010 was uncapped, so that isn't very relevant.

And yes, it would be a luxury, and that's why it's worthy of consideration. Quarterback is the most important position in sports, period. Like I said, if you do it right, then you can be a good team now, and have a foundation for the future.

I'm just trying to view it from how I would view if I were them.

If I'm 18, I want the draft pick used on a player that will play/contribute, just as Favre did instead of Rodgers, or I would want it traded for a package of multiple picks.

If I'm Luck, I simply want the ball. There would be benefits to time with/around/behind Manning, but I would still want the ball and would want no part of the Colts with Manning in place, just like I feel one of the reasons Eli didn't want any part of SD was the fact that Drew Brees was in place. I think there were other reasons as well but that is for another story.

The Cap was also slightly higher in 2009 than it will be in 2012. The cap is one thing but the cash is another. A lot of guys are looking for new deals, extensions, or restructuring that will take a lot of cash.

Irsay has said that there are going to be cap issues and having the most expensive backup qb, and one of the most expensive starters, is a hard thing to do.

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What I am saying is that Peyton will get paid 35.4 million in cash if the option is picked up which will result in him having a cap hit of 17 million for 2012.

Luck will get about a 15 million signing bonus, which will result in his 2012 cap hit of approximately 4.2 million.

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Actual cash spent about 50 million+

Salary cap totals of the two players approximately 21.2. When you add in the Collins/Painter cap hits and the possibility of a 3rd string UDFA, The cap # of Colts QB's in 2011 approached 22.8 million or in the 18% of the 2012 salary cap.

So the link you are quoting has part of the information accurate, but he interpreting it wrong. Huge difference.

Obviously you know more about this than i do, what i wanna know is where is that 50mil coming from.. just like freeney's 19mil.. is there like some other type of fund? it has to come from somewhere

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Obviously you know more about this than i do, what i wanna know is where is that 50mil coming from.. just like freeney's 19mil.. is there like some other type of fund? it has to come from somewhere

That's a good question.. Each team gets $ from the money the NFL generates. Each team will generate their own money and at times, like Manning's deal in 2004, it was rumored that Irsay dipped into his own savings/personal funds to sign Manning.

It's going to be an expensive off season from a cash perspective with a lot of players seeking a new deal, or an extension like Freeney. His 19 million is broken down in to base salary of 14, and 5 million tied to previous bonus dollars, so 12-13 of that 14 could be used as a signing bonus and spread over 3-4 years to lower his cap hit, but that is still to quote Randy Moss 12-13 million of straight cash homey. Using the tag(without an long term deal), on 87,85, or 98 will be another 9 million. The other two if retained will require cash payments.

The cap could become an issue and the cash could become costly.

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I don't want Andrew Luck here. I want Peyton here.

Unfortunately Mr. Irsay wants it the other way around.

The way he talked about Peyton today was so disgusting to watch. I can't believe our owner is such a jerk. I hate him.

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You should tell irsay out of the pocket money doesnt matter and see how fast he walks away....

Don't make this about the out of pocket money. If Irsay is making a decision based on real dollars, that's up to him.

We're talking about the cap hit. Don't say it's going to cost the Colts 40% of their cap in 2012 to keep both players, because it won't. The combined cap hit is only about $20 million. It's less than 20% of the cap, projected at $120 million.

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I don't want Andrew Luck here. I want Peyton here.

Unfortunately Mr. Irsay wants it the other way around.

The way he talked about Peyton today was so disgusting to watch. I can't believe our owner is such a jerk. I hate him.

Our owner is a far thing from a jerk. His dad was a jerk and Jim Irsay has tried very hard to not to be his dad. The two things I will always remember about Bob Irsay the drunk press conference in Baltimore and then getting here and what was the welcome rally when the Colts first got here going off on the Mayor for saying our Colts and telling fans that it wasn't our ball club it was his family's ball club. That's a jerk.

Jim Irsay on the other hand has been anything but. He has given away a tone of money to local people in need and when Phil B wanted to do a story on it several times always got told no that's not why I did it from Irsay. Jim has also embraced the city and was a major player in landing this Super Bowl and has spared no expense at putting the peaces around Peyton Manning during his career so the team could win. He didn't just manage the team as cheaply as he could like his father to try to draw as much money out of them as possiable.

What you are seeing from Irsay is a man who is honestly torn. He doesn't want to release Peyton Manning but at the sametime he knows he can't just risk the future of the franchise on a Peyton Manning "expects" to be healthy either. It's a very hard spot and the fact that Irsay is aknowledging the fact the fans are going to be upset if we do this shows he's not a jerk. He knows this is a hard call but you know what sometimes the hard call is the right call no matter how much our heart hates it.

Also he's not dumping Peyton Manning to get Andrew Luck. Peyton Manning's health was going to be an issue regardless of the fact that Andrew Luck was in the draft or not. In fact Irsay made it pretty well known during the season in his perfect world he wanted Peyton and Luck. With that said it doesn't look like Irsay is going to get his perfect world so if he can't have Peyton Manning having Andrew Luck to try to rebuild with isn't a bad second option.

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I don't want Andrew Luck here. I want Peyton here.

Unfortunately Mr. Irsay wants it the other way around.

The way he talked about Peyton today was so disgusting to watch. I can't believe our owner is such a jerk. I hate him.

did he hurt your feelings?

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^ well Jim Irsay was drunk and he is always red faced, and he always has that nasty look on his face.

I can't believe this is our owner.

Did you see the way he was talking about Manning and his eligibility to play again?

He clearly doesn't want PM here. he wants his baby boy Andrew Luck to come here. I hope he becomes a bust. Man Im so ticked.

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Don't make this about the out of pocket money. If Irsay is making a decision based on real dollars, that's up to him.

We're talking about the cap hit. Don't say it's going to cost the Colts 40% of their cap in 2012 to keep both players, because it won't. The combined cap hit is only about $20 million. It's less than 20% of the cap, projected at $120 million.

I don't think the actual cash part of it can be ignored.

Manning 35 million

Luck 15

Freeney will likely take at least 10 to restructure his contract

Wayne/Garcon/Mathis one would be 9 million straight up if paid under the tag.

Any of the three would likely require more than that to get them under contract for 3+ years.

Cash has to be considered just as the cap #'s and and dead cap hits(if players are released).

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I'm just trying to view it from how I would view if I were them.

If I'm 18, I want the draft pick used on a player that will play/contribute, just as Favre did instead of Rodgers, or I would want it traded for a package of multiple picks.

It's not like we only have one draft pick. This is the NFL. We have at least seven (maybe more, depending on compensatory picks). Our best draft pick last year was a third rounder. Our two best the year before were a 2nd and a 7th rounder. And if you're going to pick a potential franchise quarterback, even if you're not going to play him right away, it's worth it. Manning was prepared for the Colts to one day draft his replacement, and I don't think he anticipated being forced out when it happened.

And like I've been saying, you usually have to have a terrible year to have a chance at drafting a guy like this. We just had it. That's why, whether we keep Manning or not, it makes no sense not to draft Luck. That part of the conversation is short and simple.

If I'm Luck, I simply want the ball. There would be benefits to time with/around/behind Manning, but I would still want the ball and would want no part of the Colts with Manning in place, just like I feel one of the reasons Eli didn't want any part of SD was the fact that Drew Brees was in place. I think there were other reasons as well but that is for another story.

I always thought the Eli/Chargers deal was because management and ownership in San Diego were inept and incapable of committing themselves to winning. They've been better in recent years, but have still been marred with infighting, stubbornness and questionable coaching.

Drew Brees was an average quarterback for the worst team in the NFL at the time (2100 yards, 11 touchdowns, 15 interceptions, 2-9 as a starter in 2003). They let him walk two years later after he really started playing well, and handed it over to Rivers. Eli went to New York and sat behind a former Super Bowl winning and league MVP quarterback. I don't think Brees' presence was the issue with the Chargers. Not even a little bit.

The Cap was also slightly higher in 2009 than it will be in 2012. The cap is one thing but the cash is another. A lot of guys are looking for new deals, extensions, or restructuring that will take a lot of cash.

Irsay has said that there are going to be cap issues and having the most expensive backup qb, and one of the most expensive starters, is a hard thing to do.

The cap is an issue. But it can be done. I think it's worth it, if Manning is healthy. I don't begrudge Irsay for making a different decision, because a) that's a lot of money, and b) it's a gamble. I'm not blind to the reality of the situation, and I expect Manning to be released. That saddens me for several reasons. But if Manning is healthy, I will always believe it's worth it to allow him and Luck to coexist for now.

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I don't want Andrew Luck here. I want Peyton here.

Unfortunately Mr. Irsay wants it the other way around.

The way he talked about Peyton today was so disgusting to watch. I can't believe our owner is such a jerk. I hate him.

^ well Jim Irsay was drunk and he is always red faced, and he always has that nasty look on his face.

I can't believe this is our owner.

Did you see the way he was talking about Manning and his eligibility to play again?

He clearly doesn't want PM here. he wants his baby boy Andrew Luck to come here. I hope he becomes a bust. Man Im so ticked.

You're being a drama queen.

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I don't think the actual cash part of it can be ignored.

Manning 35 million

Luck 15

Freeney will likely take at least 10 to restructure his contract

Wayne/Garcon/Mathis one would be 9 million straight up if paid under the tag.

Any of the three would likely require more than that to get them under contract for 3+ years.

Cash has to be considered just as the cap #'s and and dead cap hits(if players are released).

I'm not ignoring the cash part. But the comment was made earlier that keeping Manning and Luck would cost us 40% of the cap next year, and that's what spawned the debate.

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^ well Jim Irsay was drunk and he is always red faced, and he always has that nasty look on his face.

I can't believe this is our owner.

Did you see the way he was talking about Manning and his eligibility to play again?

He clearly doesn't want PM here. he wants his baby boy Andrew Luck to come here. I hope he becomes a bust. Man Im so ticked.

Okay first of all Irsay had a problem with pain pills which he was very upfront about and delt with it in a way most of us would never have the courage to do. It was his dad who was the drunk not Irsay and saying so with no proof is a pretty low.

He is our owner and that isn't going to change so I would learn to accept it.

Yeah I did he's torn up about it. He wants to keep Peyton Manning but he always wants to do what is right for the long term future of the franchise. He's going to take no joy in releasing Peyton Manning if it comes to that and if you think he is then you will be mistaken.

I haven't heard Irsay say much about Luck largely because he couldn't till recently. Even then he said what just about everyone else has said about him that's going to be a great talent that you can't really pass on. He's hinted he wanted both Manning and Luck or RG3. If anything he's left the door open more for RG3 than anyone else talking about this so I think your comment about calling Luck his baby boy is mistaken.

As to your last remark, let me get this straight...you call yourself a Colts fan and you want the guy who is probably going to be our QB of the future to be a bust just so our owner will look stupid? Look I don't like the idea of Manning be released more than anyone else but if he is I want Luck to be as good as he can be becuase I want the team to win because they are my team. Maybe that's just me.

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It's not like we only have one draft pick. This is the NFL. We have at least seven (maybe more, depending on compensatory picks). Our best draft pick last year was a third rounder. Our two best the year before were a 2nd and a 7th rounder. And if you're going to pick a potential franchise quarterback, even if you're not going to play him right away, it's worth it. Manning was prepared for the Colts to one day draft his replacement, and I don't think he anticipated being forced out when it happened.

And like I've been saying, you usually have to have a terrible year to have a chance at drafting a guy like this. We just had it. That's why, whether we keep Manning or not, it makes no sense not to draft Luck. That part of the conversation is short and simple.

I always thought the Eli/Chargers deal was because management and ownership in San Diego were inept and incapable of committing themselves to winning. They've been better in recent years, but have still been marred with infighting, stubbornness and questionable coaching.

Drew Brees was an average quarterback for the worst team in the NFL at the time (2100 yards, 11 touchdowns, 15 interceptions, 2-9 as a starter in 2003). They let him walk two years later after he really started playing well, and handed it over to Rivers. Eli went to New York and sat behind a former Super Bowl winning and league MVP quarterback. I don't think Brees' presence was the issue with the Chargers. Not even a little bit.

The cap is an issue. But it can be done. I think it's worth it, if Manning is healthy. I don't begrudge Irsay for making a different decision, because a) that's a lot of money, and b) it's a gamble. I'm not blind to the reality of the situation, and I expect Manning to be released. That saddens me for several reasons. But if Manning is healthy, I will always believe it's worth it to allow him and Luck to coexist for now.

I feel we are better off with one or the other. Having both will come at an opportunity at other positions or more than one position. In theory that 35 cash Peyton is owed would likely cover the signing bonuses of 87,85 & 98 or at least come close to it.

Eli

I think that was 3-fold. Brees was only a part of the equation but I think the simple fact that they were in the AFC was a contributing factor, and then the main factor was A.J. Smith. Either way he's been vindicated as being correct in making his power play. In hindsight SD should have drafted Fitzgerald and that would have been a deadly offense.

The cap will take some tweaking and working to get everything take care of. We might make decisions this year for future benefit which some will say is making 2012 a throw away year. It might be best to do that and move forward.

Manning's ship has sailed here..

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I feel we are better off with one or the other. Having both will come at an opportunity at other positions or more than one position. In theory that 35 cash Peyton is owed would likely cover the signing bonuses of 87,85 & 98 or at least come close to it.

To me, keeping Manning -- if healthy -- is better than keeping those three. I like all three of them, but they're much easier to replace than a veteran franchise quarterback. Not that I necessarily think we should let them walk and keep Manning, and I definitely understand the cash considerations. Just saying that it's possible to work all three of them out (or two of the three) and still keep Manning. And we could still contend if we do it right.

Eli

I think that was 3-fold. Brees was only a part of the equation but I think the simple fact that they were in the AFC was a contributing factor, and then the main factor was A.J. Smith. Either way he's been vindicated as being correct in making his power play. In hindsight SD should have drafted Fitzgerald and that would have been a deadly offense.

I think he would have power-played himself out of San Diego if not for AJ Smith and Dean Spanos being dysfunctional. It being the AFC might have been a minor thing, but the Drew Brees issue wasn't a big deal. That's how I remember it. He didn't want to be subjected to the mess of a front office that the Chargers have.

By the way, he's not the only high-profile name that's turned the Chargers down recently. Spanos rolled out the red carpet for Pete Carroll in 2007, and Carroll told him "no thanks." Mostly due to AJ Smith.

The cap will take some tweaking and working to get everything take care of. We might make decisions this year for future benefit which some will say is making 2012 a throw away year. It might be best to do that and move forward.

Manning's ship has sailed here..

No question we can move forward and be okay. It will all work out. Just sucks that Manning's time here is going to end this way.

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That's a good question.. Each team gets $ from the money the NFL generates. Each team will generate their own money and at times, like Manning's deal in 2004, it was rumored that Irsay dipped into his own savings/personal funds to sign Manning.

It's going to be an expensive off season from a cash perspective with a lot of players seeking a new deal, or an extension like Freeney. His 19 million is broken down in to base salary of 14, and 5 million tied to previous bonus dollars, so 12-13 of that 14 could be used as a signing bonus and spread over 3-4 years to lower his cap hit, but that is still to quote Randy Moss 12-13 million of straight cash homey. Using the tag(without an long term deal), on 87,85, or 98 will be another 9 million. The other two if retained will require cash payments.

The cap could become an issue and the cash could become costly.

All these numbers and dollars gets me confused, now that i know that its not actually 40% its cool... still dont want them both on the team.. would be ashame to hamper Luck like that.

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^ well Jim Irsay was drunk and he is always red faced, and he always has that nasty look on his face.

I can't believe this is our owner.

Did you see the way he was talking about Manning and his eligibility to play again?

He clearly doesn't want PM here. he wants his baby boy Andrew Luck to come here. I hope he becomes a bust. Man Im so ticked.

I find your ideas intriguing.

Do you have a newsletter I could sign up for?

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